German Raid Tactics - Ostfront
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- An example for German Raid (“Stoßtruppunternehmen” ) Tactics on the Eastern Front in World War 2.
This video is based on an an example published in November 1942 by the General of the Infantry in the German Army’s General Staff. It was later reprinted in 1944 again, so it was likely a good example that stood the test of time. We look at the situation, mission, preparation, reconnaissance, execution and lessons learned of the mission. Additionally, I provide context and explanations if needed.
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At 7:08 it should be "sub machine-guns" not "machine-guns". Thanks to Volker for pointing this out.
At 7:22 it is more likely "Zielfernrohr-Gewehr" (I actually used that in the first draft, don't know why I changed it.) Thanks to Volker for pointing this out.
Military History Visualized : Könnte die Geländetaufe nicht ein ,Trauf' oder eine ,Geländestufe' sein ? Also ein Schreib- oder Druckfehler?
"Terrain Baptism" would likely be cataloging landmarks and/or defining terrain features. And I would assume the writer meant the codename/map name of the relief path, like Weiss Strasse or Hole 9 Cinninati City Golf Course and what have you. Might even be meant for the later reader to use as a Mad Lib when explaining or planning a similar operation?
@@brittakriep2938 Unwahrscheinlich, da Geländetaufe auch heute noch ein feststehender Begriff in der deutschen Armee ist
"Terrain Baptism" would probably more accurately be translated to "terrain christening", where "christening" was the name the English gave to the process of officially giving a name to a child. The term "christian name" & "family name" was the old way saying "first name" & "last name".
Naming of terrain features is a common practice in most military organizations. You are correct in that is creates a way to more easily communicate as to which terrain feature you are referring to.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gel%C3%A4ndetaufe
Adding a scale to your maps would be usefull (if possible of course).
That's a good point. Size of the area is not immediatelly obvious. Although, he kinda gives a "scale" at 1:55 by mentioning a distance from HKL to a german post.
and a compass on the map indicating where North is!
He read that the operation happens between 300 and 500 meters in front of the main defence line, which is shown. So one can guess.
we need a goose for scale
Cool name
That Soviet lieutenant was having an awful day getting lost even before the trees started speaking rifle fire, he broke his knee and ended up captured. Things certainly were not going well for him
I doubt things took a turn for the better after he'd been brought back to German lines.
He almost certainly was shot after the interrogation. (Kommissarbefehl)
What's Russian for "shit happens"? :-/
@@simonwinterstein348 And even if he somehow managed to survive captivity and return to the USSR, Stalin mandated harsh measures against those who “had allowed themselves to be captured”, essentially viewing them as traitors or at least suspecting them of being subversive elements, if not outright collaborators.
@@Archangelm127 дерьмо случается
Ahh so thats what happened to Soviet womble.
@jt thorsson "Planning" and "well executed attacks" is the opposite of SovietWomble ;)
hes MHV Canon now
my raidleader in world of warcraft is german, we all trust him to the fullest
but how did he perform?
@TheWeeaboo Jesus. Thanks for sharing
@@ljjaa against 3 superpowers, lol.
Thats like saying Mike Tyson is a Bad boxer because He gets beaten up by 5 men.... Germany loosing the war after all is no indicator for their military capability
@@wernerheisenberg71 they might have lost the war but fighting the world for several years is certainly a remarkable military achievement.
In the canadian military, terrain baptism is refered to as 'christening the ground'
When instructing foreign exchange troops in Austria, we called it "Terrain Briefing."
In Islamic State army we call it "Giving the land Wudhu"
I think in American parlance, landmarking would probably be best. For turning “that hill their” into “kings hill”
When you need to name a hill, its standard procedure to splash the top with a bit of holy water.
German tactics in war or "Baptism"
Small unit engagements like this have always seemed like the second scariest kind of engagement to me, behind protracted urban warfare. Getting out of your lines and doing your job and coming back must’ve been so tense.
In other words you are a REMF.
more like small scale, ad hoc special units raid / commando tactics;
anyway, information wins wars
Based on many hundreds of hours if gaming, much of which was in authentic/realistic shooters like red aucestra 2 or arma I would say snowy conditions are the most terrifing prospect. If your cammo is not up to scratch you stick our like a sore thumb more than any other setting, the winter war mod for rising storm 2 demonstrates this well. Ontop of that irl you will have to deal with the cold and wet, lubricants may freeze, guns can get jammed, you leave clear tracks, frostbite and if the enemy has good camouflage you will not see them until they fire. I would say heavy fog/mist as that can reduce your vision range to almost nothing, makes communications hard and friendly fire likely.
3rd would probably be jungle, desiese can be a major issue as it was in the burma campaign, like in Vietnam its a perfect environment for traps and ambushes and visibility is often low.
I felt tense, just listening to the account of this raid. (will they suucceed, won't they?)
I think empathy comes into it, you put yourself in the place of a small group of men, but ponderous manouvering of 10s of thousands is impersonal.
@@stevegreen8262
I got tense by reading the Unstoppable Autism's list of dreadful scenarios
English: raid :>
German: STOSSTRUPPUNTERNEHMEN >:((
(in their defence it translates to something along the lines of "assault troop operation/venture/undertaking" but still)
Assault Troop Adventure :D
Just speaking it out loud makes half the mission done.
assault adventure? :D
"You see, Hans. Vhen you make names long like zis, enemy spies can not steal battle plans, because zey'd run out of space after writing down one name."
in shermanni we call that one mobile game: STOSSTRUPPUNTERNEHMEN: SCHATTEN LEGENDEN
Terrain baptism? The Germans were implementing Priest Stoßtruppen!
Gotta get that +5 holy damage
Haha!
Christening might have been a better translation than baptism, as it implies the naming aspect more than the ceremony itself. And it holds up under reverse translation:
translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=de&text=christening
@@CoreyHuinker Just "naming" will suffice.
It is perhaps simply a writing mistake. There is a german word ,Geländestufe' , which means about ,terrain step(?)', step in this case like the ,steps(?) of a stairs or ladder. Excuse my not so good english.
I will use these lessons next Black Friday.
Great video. I enjoy this format.
Operation Kindap Womble
Hi! I think the English translation for Gelandetaufe is "christening the ground". We use this phrase in the Canadian military to describe identifying points in the terrain. Hope this helps!
"Automatic Rifle" might refer to the AVS 36 or the AVT 40. Both saw some use early in the war.
@Matthew Littlejohn Rifle/Gewehr not submachine gun/maschinenpistole
wtf I kinda remembered that there was something like that for the SVT-40 and searched for it, but couldn't find it and then concluded it was a memory error of mine. Well.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized hey it happens to the best of us lol.
@Matthew Littlejohn he showed SVT 40s for the captured weapons.
Either that or the DP, which - while being a пулемет in Russian nomenclature, read - a machine gun ("bullet thrower") - may been seen as an automatic rifle by the Germans - especially considering it's use of magazines as opposed to German belt-feds. I'm considering a DP since AVTs were quite rare.
I have a arma 3 clan. And we use all the tactics ypu show in ypur videos. This is a really useful approach to tactics in general
Yeah, The use of real tatics in any shooter game is a given win, most of time, even on the most skill based games. The hard part is getting a good squad/team to work with.
@Melody Constantia Stop worrying about one's grammar and focus on other things in life.
I love the lesson learned, send a compass with reconnaissance troops traveling in unknown Forrest and swamp. I bet after this further raids performed so much better.
It is astonishing to not be using a compass during recon.
I somehow doubt it was common to NOT use one.
And a rough map at least.
Well it was led by an LT, and nothing is more hazardous than an LT with a compass and a map!
Or, it went something like
"alright, who's got the compass so we know how to get back to our lines?"
*awkward muttering*
Chris C If there was any justice, the officers men would have kicked his ass.
Hi - I received your translation of the German Army Medium Tank Company manual today - looking forward to reading it.
I’m sure you did a great job of translating it to English from German. Though I don’t speak German - I use to work for the US Army Foreign Language School at Presidio of Monterey of California - so I do have a bit of understanding of how translating from one language is more of a art than a science - thanks for your hard work to make this document accessible to me.
thanks for the support!
What languages do you work with?
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized this language czcams.com/video/zG8xqaL9svw/video.html
"The Russian defends himself..." boy, that one crazy Russian dude was holding the entire German military off and then he counterattacked! That's almost Chuck Norris level stuff!
/s
I found out that the "captured automatic rifle" might be an automatic variant of the SVT-40 called the AVT-40, produced to make up for a lack of Light machine guns in the red army
Your videos are helping me a lot when playing Company of Heroes. Thank you!
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This was an exceptionally interesting video. I learnt a lot about small unit actions and could imagine the incredible danger and fear that must have been present within the raiding party. That would have been intense!
Wow. This is top tier content. Keep making content as thought out and as thorough as this. Well done. Subbed.
Good stuff! I was in a light infantry unit, and it's amazing how much we learned from WW2 tactics and they still are applicable.
This is such wonderful content. It is interesting to see the actual tactics and the thought process behind these operations. Keep it up.
Echt faszinierend, wie minutiös, detailreich und anschaulich man das darstellen kann, wenn man die richtige Lektüre hat. Danke fürs Zusammenfassen ^^
I know its late but if you do read this, when you translated "Gelandetaufe" to "terrain Baptism", you were correct as far as the Canadian Forces are concerned, it is something every soldier will go through before a mission in order to make sure he knows the mission, the land, the friendlys and foes in the area. It can also be called christening the ground.
Quality content on the whole channel. Your accent and correct german pronunciation makes it even better.
Fantastic video!!! Thank you for all your great work!
Top notch content as usual!!! So good to watch!
Sovietwomble *Exists*
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- I'm gonna put his logo in every video possible
Just want to say- these types of tactics videos are my favourite of your channel! Please do more of them :)
Perhaps a video about Canadian and Fallschirmjager urban combat tactics in Ortona would be a nice addition to the stable?
I enjoy the breakdowns and translation of the German compound words. Nice job.
Geländetaufe is in English usually (at least in the Canadian Armed Forces in the last decades) called "christening the ground", used in direct observation but also can be done on a map, drawing attention to main features and giving the words by which they will be known. These are often code words to be used in radiotelephone communications to aid in veiled speech. I immediately recognised "Terrain Baptism" as this.
Wow, I love this discussion on an infantry action!
i lovethis channel man keep em comin!
There was an full auto variant of svt-40, it was called avt-40. Also I heard that all svt-40 which was produced after german invasion were actually svt-40, because soviets had lack of machine guns and avt-40 could compensate it as an improvised light machine gun.
Great video and awesome work. Keep up the good work man. Just a thing next time do try to add terrain elevation lines. It really helps to understand the land formation.
I saw the thumbnail and thought OMG, the Germans even had a plan to raid Santa's sleigh.
Fantastic presentation.
MHV, that was excellent as always! :-)
Love this, great job
"Time to take a look"... - I just love your approach Sir, keep on with it (kein Witz! : )
I really enjoyed this micro look into WW2 through this small engagement. The only similar thing I’ve read about were written by Baron Von Schell from his experiences in WWI. As an NCO in the Marines it was some first hand experience I could learn from and the effects certain actions have on men during combat.
You should make more of these! Good job
To help with the English version of Geländetaufe (kinda), a similar thing is called TRPs (target/terrain reference points) used by tank gunners and commanders (US Army, and presumably other vehicle crews, but tanks are the only vehicle I have experience with this kind of thing in) to easily and rapidly establish fields of fire. While not quite the same, it serves a similar purpose, and might help clear things up in any future videos where the issue comes up.
From my recollections of basic training the "terrain baptism" (naming of terrain features) mentioned at 4:10 actually has a fairly direct translation in "christening the ground" in which you lay out the features and assign set names/codewords to different features.
Good work, thanks.
Top quality data ! Thanks ! Add data about distance, and personal strength on each position...., weapons, zones that are artillery protected and in aim, communications channels etc THANKS
More of this! It must be a lot of work but its very interesting.
Strangely this is something I have allways wanted to know. Sincerely thank you. So the SVT was popular with the German troops also. I've seen them in photographs being used by troops defending an OP. Effective I suppose for short intense contacts. Brilliant video.
In the Canadian Army we called it ‘christening the ground’...before an attack going over the important features and landmarks
As a soviet Lt. getting lost in the woods, you know you’re in trouble when the trees start speaking german.
Saw the SovietWomble icon there too.
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Ah yes, the famed operation where we hunt Womble down after he disappears for months on end (supposedly making videos, but he only actually spends a week making them and the rest wanking and getting stuck in the bathroom).
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@Libertatem Veritas 11:34
The automatic rifle most likely refers to a CZ model LK.29 LMG (which the British BREN gun was evolved from) which was also in service with the German army and AXIS associates. Under German use it was the Mg.29 (t).
These held 28 shots in a box magazine, and like the BREN, could fire single accurately aimed shots on each pull of the trigger. In practice it could be used as an automatic rifle.
AS usual a joy to watch and listen, but as on any map, you have to show the scale!
And now we know what to do when we capture a Soviet officer stuck under his horse too. Awesome video!
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8:00 It could be AVT-40. Full auto version of SVT-40. It was produced during all war in total number about 300 000 guns.
"Time to take a look at the eastern front and how the Wehrmacht conducted raids..."
Oh yeah!
Excellent as always.
Support from Bosnia!
Interesting! Thanks!
Thanks. That was interesting.
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that was super interresting. I paused the video and tried to come up with strategies myself.
You might be into wargaming, that's basically what it's all about :P
Nice work
Finally someone has uploaded tactics
There is something soothing about this
So good videos, how don't you already have 1 million subs.
Gelandetaufe has to be the coolest thing ive used before, but never knew that I was doing it or that there is a name for it
great video
Thank you very much... eevery video we got more experienceed as german soilders and are more ready to conduct operations on soviet positions =)
After seeing initial dispositions (and yes, there needs to be a map scale) I wasn't sure how they were going to bring this off. Staying in that seam was going to be hard. But these guys were clearly pros, and I can't help but think that crap Sov reaction due to poor leadership initiative had to have fed in. Had there been a good Red movement to the first shots, this might have gone really sour. The Curse of the Lost Lieutenant strikes again (for Ivan). Great breakdown.
Is it Christmas already? Love the tactics visualized videos as I told you before, had a flashback to our interview with the "Geländetaufe" part, such words also throw me right back to basic training :D
7:48 The SVT-40 also had an automatic version, the AVT-40, which was introduced to reduce the shortage of light machine guns in the Soviet Army by this point. They could be some captured AVTs.
As a note:
SVT = Semiavtomat Vintovka Tokarev = Semiautomatic Rifle Tokarev
AVT = Avtomat Vintovka Tokarev = Automatic Rifle Tokarev
Just last week I saw a Soviet officer lying on the ground under his horse. I wish I had seen this video before that! Hehehe...
I would imagine that the captured guns used were PPsh-41's for two reasons. One is that the rest of the sqds weapons are sub machine guns and two, that the PPsh-41 was a highly prized captured weapon by the Germans and one of the best for in close fighting.
The symbol next to the sMG at 3:00 is that of an attached listening post. If there were a identical bal with a smaller bal attached , it would have been a mobile one.
85 Infantry Division better known as Kampfgruppe Chill at that time, had a 185. Traffic Control partly mobile Troop and partly Mobile Listening Post Troop attached to it's HQ on Sept.24 1944 06.00h.
The other two attached units were the Div.Bugle Corps Troop and the 185.Motorized Map Printing Office unit.
Episode 8 in the You-Tube series about the small Dutch Resistance Group my Granddad belonged to and their German opponents FJR.6 (with it's deployment from Sept.9 to Nov.9 1944) and MEK40 (Nov.25 1944 to March 5 1945).
czcams.com/video/dHnYiQJPc_s/video.htmlsi=m_5yj8eGAmv0OSBS
Episode 8 of the small Dutch Resistance Group my Granddad belonged to and their 2 German opponents and their prior history.
FJR.6 ( Sept.9 to Nov.9 1944) and MEK40 (Nov.25 1944 to March 5 1945).
czcams.com/video/dHnYiQJPc_s/video.htmlsi=m_5yj8eGAmv0OSBS
Heya! In English, we might actually have a rough equivalent of "terrain baptism."
I'm not sure if it's used in military circles but, when we want to give a codename to a terrain feature, such a thing is referred to as a "callout."
Like with the terrain baptism, a callout is intended to be an alternative name for a map feature that lets you name the point without the uninitiated necessarily knowing what the name refers to.
Nice presentation. Like the topic. I've read about Canaris . I hope there is newer information on his effort to hinder the Nazis. Thanks.
Congrats on half a million subs
The circle on the communication blitz symbol indicates grounded. Thus this is feldfon. 👍😁
^ anyone have any idea what he just said? What is feldfon? What is a communiation blitz symbol? What is grounded?
11:36 [„conduct a raid on the eastern front“] isnt this a picture of the streamer SovietWomble? 😂🤔
'Tis.
Moin Military History Visualized, während ich mit der Wahl des korrekten Anredepronomens strauchle, möchte ich doch sagen: Herzlichen Dank für dieses Video! Taktik-Videos gefallen mir am besten.
danke, du ist voll ok, weil "Sie" in CZcams comments ist einfach nur weird.
the christening of the ground features would have two functions; one, as a rally point for the return journey and two, as a future named target for artillery gun registration. The Germans gave their preregistered targets names like "Dora" and "Anton" on the range maps, so a gunner would simply be told to fire at position "Dora", for example, so he'd already have the azimuth and elevation written down and would be able to put fire down in short order.
The captured automatic rifle may be referring to a AVS-36 select-fire rifle made by the soviets up until 1940 where production stopped in favor for more SVTs
the weapon @7:30 I believe could very well be an AVT-40, an automatic version of the SVT-40. It was issued in small numbers and never put into full mass production due to it wearing down too fast. It was the same visually as the SVT-40, but just with automatic fire. It could be a fedorov avtomat m1915, but I find the former more likely.
7:41 Well, it could mean AVS-36 or AVT-40, the latter were well into production by September 1942.
5:28 I would have translated "festgestellt" with "observed" here, because "determined" sounds like they're unsure of it, but I understand the message to be saying "there is no enemy occupation"
but I could be wrong of course.
This is rather useful for me since I am currently playing Enlisted as the Wehrmacht.
Look up engagement area development and target reference points to get a reference for terrain baptism
This video makes me want to play Sudden Strike
And a Stoßtruppunternehmen is a Unternehmen where a Trupp stoßes into enemy lines. Here in germany we like to name things in a logical and efficent manner.
Slight nitpick: “muss 2 angesetz”, about the recon twice, would be slightly better translated as “_had_ to be done twice”. The English must, at least here, is not that close of a fit to the German muss, esp re timing.
: Excellent video, as always.
The Krauts sure knew how to give the Reds the business.
Terrain baptism = near as I can tell is more or less what in the modern American Army would be part of doing a sector sketch and identifying key terrain. This is analyzing the terrain using the abbrieviation/acronym OCOKA: Observation/Fields of Fire, Cover and Concealment, Obstacles, Key Terrian, Avenues of Approach.
Im going to suggest the DP-28 LMG as a contender for the 'captured automatic rifle'
There was also a fully automatic version of the SVT-40, the AVT-40. The SVT or AVT sounds like the most likely option. Unless they meant the PPSh-41 avtomat but that wouldn't be a rifle.
Yah, a compass is SO important!! I use it to plan midnight present wrapping at xmas. My wife provides covering noises and children interdiction :)
I believe in english we would call the "terrain baptism" callouts like we say when talking about positions when playing videogames. it may not be a proper term but it would be something easier to understand than the literal translation.
4:00 Taufe = baptism - but in the sense of giving name, so Terrain naming. But often the English language doesn't employ this shortening style, this contraction and concatenation (that Germanic languages have in common - Swede here). So an "equivalent" is often nowhere to be found, as it possibly would look something like "field and point labeling".
Mr kast, Just sum conjecture re 3:31: Allegedly the Wehrmacht used a lot of ersatz Machine guns so perhaps it was indicative of DshK or MG 08, or the cartographer was unaware of the correct symbol for HMG.
The automatic Rifle could have been a DP-27?
Because it was not Belt Fed the Germans could have denied that it is a machine gun in their view so it became an automatic Rifle.