Black Hunter 40lb versus 45lb the results may surprise you
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2021
- In this video I compare the 40 pound limbs with the 45 pound limbs on the Black Hunter Recurve bow. The results may surprise you I know it surprised me...
Does the extra 5 pounds of draw make that big of a difference... - Sport
Thanks for that . Just ordered a 45Lb black hunter longbow I'm hoping to plug a deer with..Your videos have been really helpful.
Thanks for doing all these black hunter videos, it's the bow I use and these have been super helpful.
Man... That's more than I would have thought. Great video once again!!
Great information! Thanks for all you do!
Great video! Thanks Todd! God bless ya brother! Shared it on a few archery groups I belong to on MeWe.
I get some criticism from guys on the 3D league for using 65 pound draw recurve bows. I draw 29 inches. Running 10.1 Gr/inch arrows and 175 tips- 512 grains total. I’ve choreographed these at 230 fps average. Too much they say. But, when practicing regularly at 20 yards my point blank on a deer is 30 yards so I don’t have to put as much thought into trajectory.
Howard Hill was the most accurate traditional archer in recorded history. He always said that a man ought to shoot the heaviest draw weight bow he could manage. He shot a 115 lb draw weight bow on his elephant hunt in Africa. Four foot arrows. Man was a legend. 196 field archery tournament wins in a row. Record still stands today. I personally also shoot a 65 lb draw weight basically just because almost no one will tiller one heavier other than Howard Hill archery in Montana. I'm gonna go ahead and get one as soon as I can get myself to come off the scratch. They'll build a bamboo bow up to 200 lb draw weight. I was thinking maybe around 100 would be the sweet spot.
Nice test. Thanks for sharing!
Nice comparison. Thanks for sharing
That’s pretty good thanks for sharing. 👍🏼🏹🇺🇸
Most in-depth analysis I've ever seen on this topic. I've got a 30-in draw & came so close to buying 45lb limbs, put me round about 50 lbs on the string.
Testing the 40 lb limbs was so much more comfortable for me it was insane... but it's beaten into us we need 45 lbs to hunt decently.
Granted I'm still clocking in at 45 with the 40 lb because of my draw, but there's so many variables that go into this.. it's fantastic folks like you are helping to shed light on the topic!
Thanks
Thanks for watching and the kind words
Good stuff Wildman 👏
That was amazing, and thorough.
Thank you
The draw weight went up around twelve percent and so did the speed while using the same arrow. Makes sense
And twelve percent harder to shoot too. It's all a wash. Pick what you shoot best. I am more accurate with 40 lbs especially when I'm tired.
Also....just what I categorically can tell on my recurve is heavy arrows are quieter....which is of course desirable for hunting.
It seems the Black Hunter is a pretty efficient bow!
I find that a mere 5# increase in draw weight makes my release much smoother. Speed is more consistent, group tighter. A win-win.
Greetings from Ireland,, great stuff.
This has helped me alot so I get a 40lb Mezzo 50' by Oakridge for 3d my original idea was getting Bear Supermag 48", but getting a Mezzo I'm saving over £311.00 I look forward for more future content.
Thanks for the video, it's good. Please, which fistmell has the bow? Thank you.
Curious as to what the point of impact difference is at varying distances fro 10 yards to 30 yards.
My thought process is that heavier weight resist the parachute effect of feathers and wondering if this would even be noticable at 30 yards.
Of course my brain dosnt shut down so what if we compare higher foc and smaller feathers into the mix and see if less of a parachute effect of smaller feathers loses speed less than a comparable total weight arrow. Would realy love to know fps at the target but this may lead to a sacrifice of a cronagraph. Ouch?
For broad heads arrows need some spin so I know cant go to small with feathers but curious if there is enough diference to pursue this train of thought for a recurve at effective hunting distance . 30 yards is closer to half a second of flight time of the arrow if its flying 180fps or 26.5 yards for 160fps arrow. The feathers probably make more a diference at a full 1 second of flight time But you did ask for a suggested comparison and I am curious. Quite a bit involved in this so I do understand if you would not want to do it. I do get wrapped up up in my curiosities sometimes. Lol
Good video, I was looking at moving from 40# to 45# limbs, after watching I think I will stay at 40#.
Have you compared the long bow limbs vs recurve limbs for this bow?
This comparison was a GREAT idea. With the legal minimum in most states at 40 lbs., it's particularly relevant. One question: Did you put a scale on each version of the Black Hunter to verify that the limbs were in fact 40 and 45 lbs.? Several reviewers of these bows have reported wide variations from the manufacturers' advertised draw weights.
I love these comparisons videos. I was wondering if both set of limbs were scaled at the same draw length. I have 2 sets of these, both marked 50# @ 28". At my draw, one set is 43.5#, the other 50.8#, no way close! Also in mho you get more penetration with the heavy arrow vs light arrows. A comparison of momentum of the different arrow combinations would give more insight on which is the best.
Yes I verified the limb weight with my digital bow scale.
It depends on the seller of the bow as to what quality control they do, some just put the weight on that Bow. Most comes from the Maker Junxing but a few are a knockoff of the Black Hunter models Junxing makes, and others do the bow testing before selling with a sticker over the limb part that is saying the weight it came in even if the bow was correct from factory that made it.
Also there are lots of knockoffs that are not made by Junxing that are close enough bows in shape but not in the riser colors/wood. With the bows most buy off brand rather crappy limbs and put them on to the clone riser and sell to you often with the brand each batch uses limbs often made so sloppy they had to make the attachment on riser for the set of limbs giving you basically a take down bow for travel like the older design of 2 piece bows having to buy a new bow when the limbs break, not a replaceable limb bow. This or the same seller is using whoever has the lowest bid for better made limbs and the bows are different from batch to batch. Better to get at least a model of riser that can take the wrong limbs if they have the crorrect bolt hole attachment as the 2 most common Junxing bows, or skip them and get a the cheap all Wood ILF model of riser and shave off then clear coat part of the ILF attachment in the socket end to put an ILF limb on easier.
Did you feel any difference while shooting? Or does it feel like the same weight?
2 questions was the draw weight difference noticeably different to pull ? Can u bolt recurve limbs on the blackhunter longbow ?
Been practicing for over a year with 40lb longbow. Would you advise I make the jump to 50lb for hunting or 45lb?
The one piece Redman recurve bow is meant to be the fastest bow. The fastest are around 190-210 fps some run at 220 fps. Obviously alot would account for speed Arrows tip grain, string etc. But these was rough estimates of recurce bow. I have a samick sage 25lb bow and i love it, tried the Black hunter but the handle just didnt feel right for me. But thats personal preference, as far as shooting it, was a very accurate bow, about the same as my samick. They both are imo the best bows for the money.
Great video and super informative. Keep up the great work. +1 sub from me for sure.
Did you mention your draw length?
Great review! Btw what's the link for where to get the limbs?
Do a search on Amazon for black hunter limbs and it will pop right up
What total front weight would you run on the black hunter 40lb longbow 27 inch draw 500 spine cut to 29 inches?
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I can pull 40 pounds no problem but 45 is a little rough. I'm hoping with practice I can pull it no problem in a few months
Ahh the sounds of Florida
The force in pounds does it change depending on the arrow head?
No the draw weight of the bow does not change depending on the weight of the broadhead
I seen a guy kill a bear with a blow gun... im pretty convinced whatever bow you pick at 35 lbs or above you could kill just about anything if your close and have good shot placement
On the question of why use a heavier arrow....the theory goes momentum is a bigger deal in archery hunting than energy for penetration. With that said, it's just what I've heard. I killed all my deer with compounds so I don't have any practical experience or any actual tests to show to confirm or deny the theory. Heck that might be a good test for you one day. Not sure what a good test medium would be though to accurately simulate game.
I could use FBI 10 percent ballistic gel and add a deer hyde over the block and shoot it with different weight bows. Let me think on it a little it may make a good video test thanks for the idea...
@@allthingsarcheryandshootin9380 Fwiw ... the ballistic gelatin is great to visualuze wound channels with bullets that produce hydristatic shock, however, not so great with arrows. Mostly it creates friction/drag. Drag is increased by sq of velocity, I believe. Either way, not a good medium for arrows.
Btw... just found your channel and have watched a couple reviews ... I've enjoyed them. Keep up the good work.👍
I'm confused by 1 thing... the initial portion of the video shows your 40 b bow shooting your 425 gr arrows at 168 FPS, not 180FPS... So when you do your math, you switched something and it doesn't add up... I believe you changes the arrow weight... I think the 20FPS is more accurate, unless I missed something else.
I'm curious as to why at 6.23 he reset the chrony but his first shot showed shot #9. For shot 12 the chrony screen had a shot listed at 243 FPS, and his shot listed at #6. Something about the editing just seams weird. Overall I think this is a good video but it would have been helpful to see the data on a whiteboard or something. Just talking about the numbers is hard to compare apples to apples.
Ok reset the chrony because the reading was not c of erect the black hunter bow does not shoot 243 fps thanks for watching
@@allthingsarcheryandshootin9380 Yeh that makes sense. I'd be interested to watch you figure out the kinetic energy for short people. for instance I'm 5'4" and my draw is 25 inches. So on a 40 lb bow @ 28" I'm getting more like 34lbs @ 25". What does that translate to in energy? What weight arrows should I use or do I need a 50 lb bow which would put me at around 44 lb at my draw length?
OK,,,OK,,,OK
Kinetic energy is a poor way to find out the killing power of any arrow should switch to slug feet
Don't mix your numbers up next time