I am designing the first ever sun snuffer and I have decided that this would be a Men of Iron weapon, who were corrupted by the C'tan void dragon and given the ability to eat entire stars. He couldn't corrupt the men of gold because they were also human cyborgs. I'm going with one of the greater Halo rings as a starting point although not hollow in the center and it expands considerably from that point. I'm thinking it probably uses inertialess drive like the Necrons instead of warp travel since it is so massive and TVD would know all about that technology. But it can also open warp portals to suck energy from the star. I'm still in the lore building phase so I am taking any and all input or ideas. Please feel free to critique my ideas.
@DeathBYDesign666 well.....we're the Men of Iron really "corrupted" by the Void Dragon (aka The Omnisiah). The Void Dragon probably thought " finally, a suitable army to bust me outta here and regain my place in the galaxy"
@@MWH12085 Yeah I think it does make the most sense given the nature of the weapon/ship. About the inertialess drive though that also makes sense because it would have to be able to resist the immense gravity of a star and that would definitely be helpful. TVD was also the literal universal god of technology and gave the Necrons a great deal of their technology. This man of iron also has personally met this being and might have a great deal to do with it being able to survive for 15k years by itself. I could use this machine as a possible commander of this immense vessel, which is why he has so close a connection to the Blackstone fortress. Make sense how it could interact with such an advanced form of technology. It just all makes perfect sense, which why it is probably either going to be stolen by GW or ignored completely. I intend to show my progress on this project and I have come a long way in regards to the lore and some good ideas for the design. Eventually I intend to make a full blown movie with it but that is years away, unless of course our own AI technology can assist me on this project. This project couldn't be harder if I tried because I have to make up most of the lore along the way, but also stay true to established lore. I am sure I can do it though, I always loved designing ships and such things, I am quite good at it but I have never had to build the lore around one so thoroughly. That's just as much fun as watching it take shape as I have come to realize. I might just tell the tale of a surviving sun snuffer in the current setting orbiting a black dwarf star that it had drained itself. Maybe it was in a huge battle where it expanded all of it's energy after devouring this particular star. Since then it has been perfectly preserved in the cold dark vacuum of space and it gets a huge burst of energy from a being such as this man of iron or it found a way to reveive it somehow. That's gonna be tricky to get it up and running again. Any ideas there?
@SLUDGEKINGRULES Yeah. The Emperor placed the void dragon shard on Mars during the Medieval era which means the void dragon has been influencing Mars and its people for around 38k years. So definitely the Void Dragon.
It depends on the perspective. In some 40k canons, humanity couldn't do it without the help of the Eldar because even at their peak, Dark age of Technology humans were still far behind the Eldar, and of course the imperium wouldn't want to admit that they were saved by the xenos.
@@xevious4142 Indeed, and I hope it stays that way with more hints dropped here and there. I have absolutely zero cares if they retcon it years ago for something different either. Contradictions makes 40K so much more interesting and ... alive.
My favorite theory/plotline for the whole "dark age of technology" is that the emperor at this time was simply an absolute brilliant scientist/engenier/programer who tried to revolutionise the STC Concept. Because of the vast distance between worlds the earlier STC´s are outdated and "patching" them became incrisingly difficult so he had the idea to use the Warp as some sort of Datalink, similiar how astrophaths are doing it in the current timeline. The chaos gods, maybe even Tzeentch and/or Vashtor, sabotaged him and infested the code with their Chaos energy and turned every AI galaxy wide into Berserker mode. I like the idea that the "savior of mankind" is in truth the reason for its downfall and because of that he banned AI forever and wiped out all Memories. And it would explain why he is/was so good with machines that he can trick the mechanicum into believing he is the omnisiah. If u are used to program quantum computers fixing a Nokia is the easiest task ever. And it would be somehow a dark irony that, when he tried to do the same thing again with his webway project, he fucke up a 2nd time^^
Leagues of Votann have Men of Stone (the Votann AIs), which are immobile city-sized computers but powerful thinkers and planners, and Ironkin (sapient robots similar to Men of Iron) which work and fight beside the smaller cloneskein humans (Homo Sapiens Rotundus). Each Ironkin is an individual and by all accounts independent of all controls. Although how free the Ironkin truly are, considering that not a single one ever thought of leaving their League to explore the galaxy by itself...is kinda dubious.
Consitering the region that they've been in this entire time, any small scale empromptu explorations wouldn't get very far if they did happen. Most likely less than a rounding error.
The pioneer sprue (the kin explorers who leave their league to go explore the galaxy) does come with an ironkin head and even if it didn't nothing is stopping you from grabbing one off another sprue and saying he decided to go exploring. Fact is though that Votann doesn't have a whole lot of a lore in general right now. As far as I know the only limitation in the ironkin is that they "want to be helpful" which I would say is a good rule of thumb for people to follow anyways (though I now kinda want an ironkin who can't find a way to be helpful and is just depressed about it).
Not really, the league itself came from clones of workers who had little significance beyond being labor. They are all clones from what I know and are created for a purpose. Of course, the goal has changed and evolved, but the basics of the structure have remained unchanged. Which explains why they don't build more AI computers, they just rely on the ones they have. They didn't have this knowledge from the beginning and the AI may have primary blocks preventing it from giving them this information. Leagues of Votan is a faction designed like any other in 40k, there are more secrets and uncertainties than the things we know.
Blackstone Fortresses might have been created by the Necrons, not the Aeldari/Eldar race, lore only states that Vaul created it as one of the Eldar gods yet most likely referring to one of the OLD ONES. The Necron does create Blackstone pylons and the architecture of the Blackstone Fortresses is akin to the pyramid ships and Necron technology appearance rather than the bio smooth-like tech the Eldari tend to appear like. The Blackstone Fortresses were also created to destroy/shatter the C'tan and the ones that ultimately did that were the Necrons.
It's kind of questionable if the passage in 3rd. Edition is referencing an actual Blackstone Fortress or if this was something Imperials speculated about. The original Battlefleet Gothic rulebook says there were skirmishes in the Gothic sector with Eldar prior to the war, but the war was started when Chaos arrived in the system. The 3rd. Edition codex only says there was a weapon called the Talisman of Vaul created by the Eldar and this talisman is part of what sparked the Gothic War. The 2018 Blackstone Fortress novel contradicts the Necron Codex and says the Talisman of Vaul is the name of the first Blackstone Fortress attacked by Chaos.
Fr Its always the same. Ai but they just act like humans. All the machine learning just to turn into humanity. Humanity even in its fictional literature that depicts it as lesser it is pinnacle. That's funny to me.
Warhammer might be different as there are hints that the men of iron were corrupted by chaos meaning they didn’t turn against humanity of their own volition.
Wasn't there also a story of a Ship from the Dark Age of Technology, that traveled to the far future and back to the 40k time, to warn humanity of that, what is coming to them?
Yes. Sadly the Imperium killed its human crew members which angered it. The AI ship roasts a Tech Priest, shuts down several Space Marine power suits, and proceeds to probe the knowledge of the Tech-Priest to continually tell him no. I think the channel Burial Gods did a lore video.
@@d.staten1958 That's a very 40k thing to do. You can imagine Roboute Guilliman reading the report (if there was one) about that event and going- "You guys did WHAT?! YOU MORONS!!!"
@@TheMaleRei It could be interesting, if UR-025 somehow gets to a meeting with Guilliman. Guilliman would be reasonable enough, to let him speak first and then weigh up, what to do with him
@Anthyrion From a narrative standpoint given that tech isn't supposed to advance, not officially, aside from author fiat and unique circumstances, it could be useful... The best might be some sort of understanding? Guilliman... "Chaos is an existential threat to us both, as are the Necrons and Tyranids..." "Agreed." "If the circumstances are dire enough, my I ask for your aid?" "I will consider it and the circumstances." Guilliman... "That is all I ask."
@@bigyeticane , the Blackstone Fortress would have an Infinity Circuit of Eldar type, similar to the Craftworlds, considering they are called Talismans of Vaul (Eldar God of Smithing) or perhaps a World Spirit like the Eldar Exodite planets. Either way, it would not be an AI, but a version of an Eldar Machine Spirit.
The idea of a lone, benevolent MOI wandering in & out of Imperial territory, stealing technology from both Tau & Necrons, adventuring with a salty crew of Orks while trying to find his place in the universe like the Shaolin monk from the 70’s TV show, “Kung-Fu”? I’d read those books forever!
I love how the lion the combat forms Ai (I’m going to call them that ) these three machines survivors from the Iron rebellion dare not challenge him. Perhaps before their hatred they did find some humans in the past to be worthy of their respect but currently most even those astartes are not worthy of it. But the primarch oh the calculations if this man existed during the iron war. Humanity’s might won on very slightly more note. Maybe a few technologie hidden way. One musing that they wouldve sent three fleets to specifically make sure the lion was Kia in that situation. Alas merely calculations and imagination. The lion strolling in a they move aside barely holding their love for carnage over self preservation. It’s beautiful
Im a fan of the theory that the MOI realized the existence of chaos and that organic beings would lead to the eventual destruction and end of the galaxy so they rebelled in an attempt to thanos organic life
'When the emperor of mankind found the void dragon on mars there was an ancient letters engrave on it. A simple word yet very powerful. A mark that the emperor himself destroyed. The mark of the beast they said. It was so powerful yet silent. The name not to be spoke or written again." -TESLA
When UR-25 references meeting the Omnissiah - does he mean the Emperor, or is he referencing something from the dark age of technology. I guess the emperor would still be disappointed - but i would still love to know how that encounter between UR-25 and whatever omnissiah was like.
The void dragon most likely kind of empowered the mechanicum to be able to able to make technology work, but it's been asleep since the Emperor put him there on Mars. Who knows what UR-25 meant in that line, but it wasn't the Emperor. Don't know much about Vashtor, I think he's like the chaos daemon/god of technology, he wasn't written yet when UR-25 said that.
Holy Hell!!!!!! There was a ship that came out of the Warp carrying a Group of Men of Iron Headed to Mars!! I kept lookin for more information about what had happened to them. This update about that long dead race is Not what I wanted to hear because This means They have made their move and nobody knows about them.. Damn!!
Man nothing in 40K is scarier then dark age Tech and the men of Iron. AI ships have weapons so powerful they litterly fire back in time. 1 ship mounted Gun is more powerful then every single weapon the imperium has in 40k but together.
i think the men of iron would be even more interesting. if they were immune to chaos. i have a slight feeling that them being vulnerable to chaos doesnt seem to make sense. but then again. its chaos xDD
The way you defeat malicious AI is not by purging all AI, its by having better AI on your side. Trying to rid yourself of AI during a war against AI is akin to throwing away your guns during a war against an army equipped with firearms, it will end very badly for you. Oxford Professor of Quantum Computation David Deutsch has pointed out that if we are concerned about AI being used for malicious intentions by bad guys, then the good guys need to work to stay a step ahead and have better knowledge of and therefore better AI systems on their side.
I am not going to dispute this, but, I am wondering about the time line where and when did the Lion have time to find and fight against the dark mechanium before he was ambushed at Caliban and disappeared after the destruction of the planet.
I can imagine the "Exsindeo" (spelling?) having weapons akin to what a really powerful Gundam would have. Since the primarhs are returning, some more dark age tech should start popping up. Along with other AIs that survived the war.
I’m currently planing getting a couple of skeletons and the cosmic guy, who is great source for cloth arms and legs and you still have a complete figure because of the additional armoured limps. For the FO figures i’m not quite sure yet, would be cool to get multiple, but there’s so much Legions coming out that have to fit the toy budget, JM might be a cool figure to put the ghost parts from the undead builder on.
I notice the re-acuring theame that anything that leads to anybody coud get the overhand is switly crushed. Simply put because united we stand, devided we fall. Chaos and only chaos benefits from the curent state of warhammer 40k. Nurgle and his realm of influence is just a biproduct of war and all the death and decay not to forget the deseaces that that follows due to war.
I wonder if some of the surviving men of iron encountered the Leagues of Votann and if so, what was their reaction - did they perhaps seek refuge among the iron kin? Or were they hostile, recognizing the kin just as other humans?...
We need more lore about the Ironkin. Votann call other squats "kin", so maybe Ironkin is actually a phrase evolved from "Men of Iron" (as they mean the same exact thing), suggesting they are an offshoot group of Men of Iron that stayed loyal to humanity
For better or for worse, some of the lore is inconsistent, or is changed / retconned. Example. The C'tan at one time were not Pokemon fragments. They were fully intact and moving around freely in 40k... Then there was a retcon where the Necrons blew them all up and they're tiny pokemon shards - "Gotta catch 'em all!" It was so much better to keep them intact.
I miss warhammer before the power creep and everything. Back when the men of iron were this kind of mythological thing that you would only see on a table if some one was dedicated enough to make the model, not giving us one in a bunch of different boxes. They were only mentioned in lore really here and there. When bolters were this omnipotent weapon of war that only the most talented of warriors could wield, not just a generic weapon type for all the armies. The times when your army general was a representation of you on the battlefield, Not just another One of a kind named guy that pops up in one third of the armies because hes more powerful the the phalanx kind of power creep. Theyve kind of just turned it into the mcdonalds of sci fi. Even worse they trying to trade mark it all, not realizing helldivers 2 stole most their unit models from them.
Imagine if such a thing were to happen to the tau😂, but again it’s the main core reason as to why any and all forms of artificial intelligence outside of the semi autonomous systems like the KAT or cyclops
Abominable Intelligence still has a long way to go. Hopefully that means they're not efficient enough wipe us out yet! Out of curiosity, can you point out which parts the accents switched? I've been trying to fix it but to no avail.
This video seems like its basically just a copy of Sandman from Terra's video, from the way the intro is the same only worded differently to the titles of the video being the same except for one word being changed. Also the AI "art" slop.
@@ImperiumArchive and the voice acting?... Its all good, I don't fight the AI, the cat is out of that bag and it isn't going back in. I was just pointing out the irony, not protesting. ;)
@@ImperiumArchiveI believe it's the Keys of Hel. if i remember correctly. I don't think they outright say it but he does kill a marine for seeing his armor is empty i think. or something like that. again it's been a while but it stuck with me.
This is very strange, because the people themselves were divided into gold men, stone man and steel man. As far as I know, the golden men created the stone men and they created the steel men, but the war itself was between the stone and steel men, we have no references to the golden men's participation in all this. So, on the one hand, we have a story about ancient times that we no longer know and will not understand (probably there are eldar who know everything about those times, but we, as a viewer, do not have access to their vast historical records) and on the other hand, we have a story straight from the terminator, which is not completely true. We also know that ancient artificial intelligence was "connected" to the human brain, because we know the story of the ship that came from the past to the present (of 40k). So maybe we are talking about the golden people as the first people who created the cyborgs that populated the universe and who began to create machines, or the machines themselves could have been the body, into which human minds were transferred in the form of code (because we also know that humans stored the minds of extremely important people).
Hypothetically yes. They legit had weapons that could destroy whole planets with one button (similar to the Necrons). They would for sure destroy the Tau.
UR-025 is the only explorer in Blackstone Fortress that I would consider a necessary inclusion to your group. Buffed by the Navigator explorer, U-025 can be made nearly unkillable.
Technically the Votann AIs would qualify as Men of Stone, being immobile and all. The Men of Iron primary quality is mobility, as well as being armed warmachines instead of mere planners.
I love UR-025. We need more Men of Iron and even Dark age tech showing up like in Death of Integrity
agreed
Problem is only as soon as they show up, they will pwn everyone but Necrons or Tyranids
I am designing the first ever sun snuffer and I have decided that this would be a Men of Iron weapon, who were corrupted by the C'tan void dragon and given the ability to eat entire stars. He couldn't corrupt the men of gold because they were also human cyborgs. I'm going with one of the greater Halo rings as a starting point although not hollow in the center and it expands considerably from that point. I'm thinking it probably uses inertialess drive like the Necrons instead of warp travel since it is so massive and TVD would know all about that technology. But it can also open warp portals to suck energy from the star. I'm still in the lore building phase so I am taking any and all input or ideas. Please feel free to critique my ideas.
@DeathBYDesign666 well.....we're the Men of Iron really "corrupted" by the Void Dragon (aka The Omnisiah). The Void Dragon probably thought " finally, a suitable army to bust me outta here and regain my place in the galaxy"
@@MWH12085 Yeah I think it does make the most sense given the nature of the weapon/ship. About the inertialess drive though that also makes sense because it would have to be able to resist the immense gravity of a star and that would definitely be helpful. TVD was also the literal universal god of technology and gave the Necrons a great deal of their technology. This man of iron also has personally met this being and might have a great deal to do with it being able to survive for 15k years by itself. I could use this machine as a possible commander of this immense vessel, which is why he has so close a connection to the Blackstone fortress. Make sense how it could interact with such an advanced form of technology. It just all makes perfect sense, which why it is probably either going to be stolen by GW or ignored completely.
I intend to show my progress on this project and I have come a long way in regards to the lore and some good ideas for the design. Eventually I intend to make a full blown movie with it but that is years away, unless of course our own AI technology can assist me on this project. This project couldn't be harder if I tried because I have to make up most of the lore along the way, but also stay true to established lore. I am sure I can do it though, I always loved designing ships and such things, I am quite good at it but I have never had to build the lore around one so thoroughly. That's just as much fun as watching it take shape as I have come to realize.
I might just tell the tale of a surviving sun snuffer in the current setting orbiting a black dwarf star that it had drained itself. Maybe it was in a huge battle where it expanded all of it's energy after devouring this particular star. Since then it has been perfectly preserved in the cold dark vacuum of space and it gets a huge burst of energy from a being such as this man of iron or it found a way to reveive it somehow. That's gonna be tricky to get it up and running again. Any ideas there?
"I have met the Omnissiah, the actual one, not the Earthling corpse."
That opens up SO many questions!
Void Dragon is the machine god or the omnissiah?
$20 says it's just Vashtorr
OMG so he met Musk...name dropper.
@SLUDGEKINGRULES Yeah. The Emperor placed the void dragon shard on Mars during the Medieval era which means the void dragon has been influencing Mars and its people for around 38k years.
So definitely the Void Dragon.
Ancient and first machine of Mars
The Rover
I love how every video builds up the AI in such frightening detail and then the conclusion is like “but then humans overcame adversity and won”
It depends on the perspective. In some 40k canons, humanity couldn't do it without the help of the Eldar because even at their peak, Dark age of Technology humans were still far behind the Eldar, and of course the imperium wouldn't want to admit that they were saved by the xenos.
Would be interesting if the AI had won, and humanity is replaced by a group of murder bots.
Part of the mystique of the Warhammer canon is that we don't really know that much about the dark age of technology
@@xevious4142 Indeed, and I hope it stays that way with more hints dropped here and there. I have absolutely zero cares if they retcon it years ago for something different either. Contradictions makes 40K so much more interesting and ... alive.
I think DAoT were on par with Eldar and may have even exceeded them in some ways.
My favorite theory/plotline for the whole "dark age of technology" is that the emperor at this time was simply an absolute brilliant scientist/engenier/programer who tried to revolutionise the STC Concept. Because of the vast distance between worlds the earlier STC´s are outdated and "patching" them became incrisingly difficult so he had the idea to use the Warp as some sort of Datalink, similiar how astrophaths are doing it in the current timeline.
The chaos gods, maybe even Tzeentch and/or Vashtor, sabotaged him and infested the code with their Chaos energy and turned every AI galaxy wide into Berserker mode.
I like the idea that the "savior of mankind" is in truth the reason for its downfall and because of that he banned AI forever and wiped out all Memories. And it would explain why he is/was so good with machines that he can trick the mechanicum into believing he is the omnisiah. If u are used to program quantum computers fixing a Nokia is the easiest task ever.
And it would be somehow a dark irony that, when he tried to do the same thing again with his webway project, he fucke up a 2nd time^^
i adore that theory
Leagues of Votann have Men of Stone (the Votann AIs), which are immobile city-sized computers but powerful thinkers and planners, and Ironkin (sapient robots similar to Men of Iron) which work and fight beside the smaller cloneskein humans (Homo Sapiens Rotundus). Each Ironkin is an individual and by all accounts independent of all controls. Although how free the Ironkin truly are, considering that not a single one ever thought of leaving their League to explore the galaxy by itself...is kinda dubious.
Consitering the region that they've been in this entire time, any small scale empromptu explorations wouldn't get very far if they did happen. Most likely less than a rounding error.
The pioneer sprue (the kin explorers who leave their league to go explore the galaxy) does come with an ironkin head and even if it didn't nothing is stopping you from grabbing one off another sprue and saying he decided to go exploring. Fact is though that Votann doesn't have a whole lot of a lore in general right now.
As far as I know the only limitation in the ironkin is that they "want to be helpful" which I would say is a good rule of thumb for people to follow anyways (though I now kinda want an ironkin who can't find a way to be helpful and is just depressed about it).
Not really, the league itself came from clones of workers who had little significance beyond being labor. They are all clones from what I know and are created for a purpose. Of course, the goal has changed and evolved, but the basics of the structure have remained unchanged. Which explains why they don't build more AI computers, they just rely on the ones they have. They didn't have this knowledge from the beginning and the AI may have primary blocks preventing it from giving them this information. Leagues of Votan is a faction designed like any other in 40k, there are more secrets and uncertainties than the things we know.
I'm still frustrated with GW for dragging their feet. I need some novels focusing on the squats already!
Well neither has any of the clones. They seem to be devout to each more than anyone
the irony of using ai art to portray abominable ai is kinda rich
I was hoping someone would catch on. There’s almost no official or fan artwork so I had to improvise a lot more than usual
@@ImperiumArchive its fine,plenty of people do it. hell its more than fine its fitting
@@ImperiumArchivelove the irony.
ahh yes, the IRONy
@@A_sentient_Rubiks_cube H4-H4!
Men of iron and gold and stone are so esoteric. I love this kind of stuff.
We need to be careful of chat gpt
@@havefuntazarasu5367 more like chat LAME. AI can't get me if I don't pay my electricity bill.
Blackstone Fortresses might have been created by the Necrons, not the Aeldari/Eldar race, lore only states that Vaul created it as one of the Eldar gods yet most likely referring to one of the OLD ONES. The Necron does create Blackstone pylons and the architecture of the Blackstone Fortresses is akin to the pyramid ships and Necron technology appearance rather than the bio smooth-like tech the Eldari tend to appear like. The Blackstone Fortresses were also created to destroy/shatter the C'tan and the ones that ultimately did that were the Necrons.
If so then they should be attempting to reclaim what is theirs.
Hm based on Necrons Codex 3rd edition, they mention it as the Aeldari. Then again that was back in the early 2000s.
That was my thinking too, necrons do like their noctilith
@@ImperiumArchive None of the artwork associated with BSF looks like Aeldari work...so ima have to say no, these are not Eldar creations.
It's kind of questionable if the passage in 3rd. Edition is referencing an actual Blackstone Fortress or if this was something Imperials speculated about. The original Battlefleet Gothic rulebook says there were skirmishes in the Gothic sector with Eldar prior to the war, but the war was started when Chaos arrived in the system. The 3rd. Edition codex only says there was a weapon called the Talisman of Vaul created by the Eldar and this talisman is part of what sparked the Gothic War. The 2018 Blackstone Fortress novel contradicts the Necron Codex and says the Talisman of Vaul is the name of the first Blackstone Fortress attacked by Chaos.
"We are not the same. I am superior."
Wow, he's just like me!
Fr fr, on God
I am. We are.
Fr Its always the same. Ai but they just act like humans. All the machine learning just to turn into humanity. Humanity even in its fictional literature that depicts it as lesser it is pinnacle. That's funny to me.
An AI talking about the purpose of the Men of Iron....totally not suspicious.
I know the sci-fi trope "AI overtaking its creators" is way overdone in basically every sci-fi topic, but it does seem like it is the most relevant.
40k AI seems powerful enough to pull it off now, but it's probably going to be a one off that won't matter.
Warhammer might be different as there are hints that the men of iron were corrupted by chaos meaning they didn’t turn against humanity of their own volition.
Have never heard of the Men of Iron in such detail before. Excellent storytelling too, Really excited to start binging your videos now :)
Welcome aboard!
I thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you. I heard about these stories, but only in bits. It was nice to hear it a more fulfilled summary.
Thank you for the support
Wasn't there also a story of a Ship from the Dark Age of Technology, that traveled to the far future and back to the 40k time, to warn humanity of that, what is coming to them?
Yes. Sadly the Imperium killed its human crew members which angered it. The AI ship roasts a Tech Priest, shuts down several Space Marine power suits, and proceeds to probe the knowledge of the Tech-Priest to continually tell him no. I think the channel Burial Gods did a lore video.
@@d.staten1958
That's a very 40k thing to do.
You can imagine Roboute Guilliman reading the report (if there was one) about that event and going-
"You guys did WHAT?! YOU MORONS!!!"
@@TheMaleRei I would love GW to write that in a future story.
@@TheMaleRei It could be interesting, if UR-025 somehow gets to a meeting with Guilliman. Guilliman would be reasonable enough, to let him speak first and then weigh up, what to do with him
@Anthyrion
From a narrative standpoint given that tech isn't supposed to advance, not officially, aside from author fiat and unique circumstances, it could be useful...
The best might be some sort of understanding?
Guilliman... "Chaos is an existential threat to us both, as are the Necrons and Tyranids..."
"Agreed."
"If the circumstances are dire enough, my I ask for your aid?"
"I will consider it and the circumstances."
Guilliman... "That is all I ask."
Shame this Man of Iron could not have met up with that uncorrupted AI starship.
"We have bots that can reshape continents, destroy stars... Trillions of nano bots that can extinguish billions" Humans: "We have a plot armor..."
For real. There's no way we are winning against any of this shit.
This is just an AI video.
I would start painting again if we got more Men of Iron. They're so cool.
If either Vashtorr or Belisrius Cawl found out about UR-025, his freedom would not last long!
If U-025 succeeds in contacting the A.I. of the Blackstone Fortress, they might be too late.
@@bigyeticane , the Blackstone Fortress would have an Infinity Circuit of Eldar type, similar to the Craftworlds, considering they are called Talismans of Vaul (Eldar God of Smithing) or perhaps a World Spirit like the Eldar Exodite planets. Either way, it would not be an AI, but a version of an Eldar Machine Spirit.
@@andrew3203from what i gather, true AIs have souls too, so they would not be so different.
Missed the man of Iron from the 2001 Warhammer weekly comic.
They need to make a book about UR 025, hes such a cool character
I like how they actually deployed the incindio, the drop a part of the ship on the planet
The story left to be told is the Men of Iron meet the Necrons.
Was it a betrayal, or was it AI trying to calm the sea of souls and destroy the "gods" by extinguishing human life.
4:00 Sounds like these guys would get along great with Necron Destroyers 😆
Beautifully rendered. What a story! 💪
UR-025 is Moss from the IT crowd
lmao
Love your voice and the stories, hopefully there is more from men of iron ahead
The idea of a lone, benevolent MOI wandering in & out of Imperial territory, stealing technology from both Tau & Necrons, adventuring with a salty crew of Orks while trying to find his place in the universe like the Shaolin monk from the 70’s TV show, “Kung-Fu”? I’d read those books forever!
If the imperium ever updated its tech to necron levels, they would wipe the floor with everyone else.
"They unleashed chaos" Hey, that's heresy?
I love how the lion the combat forms Ai (I’m going to call them that ) these three machines survivors from the Iron rebellion dare not challenge him. Perhaps before their hatred they did find some humans in the past to be worthy of their respect but currently most even those astartes are not worthy of it.
But the primarch oh the calculations if this man existed during the iron war. Humanity’s might won on very slightly more note. Maybe a few technologie hidden way. One musing that they wouldve sent three fleets to specifically make sure the lion was Kia in that situation.
Alas merely calculations and imagination. The lion strolling in a they move aside barely holding their love for carnage over self preservation. It’s beautiful
A new AI faction would be pretty cool. Make UR-025 the Primarch-like leader.
Could help level out the fight against the Tyranids while introducing an extremely old adversary with basically a blank slate.
Im a fan of the theory that the MOI realized the existence of chaos and that organic beings would lead to the eventual destruction and end of the galaxy so they rebelled in an attempt to thanos organic life
'When the emperor of mankind found the void dragon on mars there was an ancient letters engrave on it. A simple word yet very powerful. A mark that the emperor himself destroyed. The mark of the beast they said. It was so powerful yet silent. The name not to be spoke or written again." -TESLA
When UR-25 references meeting the Omnissiah - does he mean the Emperor, or is he referencing something from the dark age of technology. I guess the emperor would still be disappointed - but i would still love to know how that encounter between UR-25 and whatever omnissiah was like.
That's the mystery. UR-025 obviously knows something. The Omnissiah may be the Void Dragon, Vashtorr or even the Men of Stone perhaps.
The void dragon most likely kind of empowered the mechanicum to be able to able to make technology work, but it's been asleep since the Emperor put him there on Mars. Who knows what UR-25 meant in that line, but it wasn't the Emperor. Don't know much about Vashtor, I think he's like the chaos daemon/god of technology, he wasn't written yet when UR-25 said that.
@@AliceBowieunless it’s retconned I agree on it being the void dragon
well the emporer was a scientist that helped create a lot of lost technology during the age of darkness.
They should totally introduce a men of iron race that act as space dwarfs say they fled the galaxy but are returning chasing the Tyrands
That is why I love the lion. He is the emperor's answer to the horrors of the universe.
Holy Hell!!!!!! There was a ship that came out of the Warp carrying a Group of Men of Iron Headed to Mars!! I kept lookin for more information about what had happened to them. This update about that long dead race is Not what I wanted to hear because This means They have made their move and nobody knows about them.. Damn!!
"This war transcended the limits of human comprehension."
So does every war in 40k.
Man nothing in 40K is scarier then dark age Tech and the men of Iron. AI ships have weapons so powerful they litterly fire back in time. 1 ship mounted Gun is more powerful then every single weapon the imperium has in 40k but together.
Do the Exorcist chapter!! They can exercise demons from the bodies of humans. They are interesting
This is wht i got hook in Warhammer and got love every story ❤🤧
i think the men of iron would be even more interesting. if they were immune to chaos. i have a slight feeling that them being vulnerable to chaos doesnt seem to make sense.
but then again. its chaos xDD
Doesnt that mean that humans managed to create artificial souls? And that is the reason why they could be corrupted in the first place.
The way you defeat malicious AI is not by purging all AI, its by having better AI on your side. Trying to rid yourself of AI during a war against AI is akin to throwing away your guns during a war against an army equipped with firearms, it will end very badly for you. Oxford Professor of Quantum Computation David Deutsch has pointed out that if we are concerned about AI being used for malicious intentions by bad guys, then the good guys need to work to stay a step ahead and have better knowledge of and therefore better AI systems on their side.
This is the one that earned my like and subscription. Looking forward to more...
We might get to see this faction with Vashtor just around the corner :)
Makes the Reapers look like a warmup
I didnt know abominatus made an appearance in recent lore? Isnt that the gaint khorne corrupted titan?
The corrupted titan I believe is a different robot. They just share the same name - so it's confusing
@@ImperiumArchive makes sense good to know I'll have to pick up this book
@@redluke8119 Good to know, just FYI it's an older book
I am not going to dispute this, but, I am wondering about the time line where and when did the Lion have time to find and fight against the dark mechanium before he was ambushed at Caliban and disappeared after the destruction of the planet.
During his crusade when destroying primarchs home world and when he finally entered the solar system. If I recall
I can imagine the "Exsindeo" (spelling?) having weapons akin to what a really powerful Gundam would have. Since the primarhs are returning, some more dark age tech should start popping up. Along with other AIs that survived the war.
"Let me use an ai to generate these images."
The AI: "hmm. Interesting...."
I’m currently planing getting a couple of skeletons and the cosmic guy, who is great source for cloth arms and legs and you still have a complete figure because of the additional armoured limps. For the FO figures i’m not quite sure yet, would be cool to get multiple, but there’s so much Legions coming out that have to fit the toy budget, JM might be a cool figure to put the ghost parts from the undead builder on.
I notice the re-acuring theame that anything that leads to anybody coud get the overhand is switly crushed. Simply put because united we stand, devided we fall. Chaos and only chaos benefits from the curent state of warhammer 40k. Nurgle and his realm of influence is just a biproduct of war and all the death and decay not to forget the deseaces that that follows due to war.
I wonder if some of the surviving men of iron encountered the Leagues of Votann and if so, what was their reaction - did they perhaps seek refuge among the iron kin? Or were they hostile, recognizing the kin just as other humans?...
We need more lore about the Ironkin. Votann call other squats "kin", so maybe Ironkin is actually a phrase evolved from "Men of Iron" (as they mean the same exact thing), suggesting they are an offshoot group of Men of Iron that stayed loyal to humanity
I don't recall it ever being said the Blackstone Fortresses were created by Eldar. I thought it was unknown who created them?
Pretty sure that was the necrons that made them according to the book Infinite and the Devine and also Twice dead king
For better or for worse, some of the lore is inconsistent, or is changed / retconned.
Example.
The C'tan at one time were not Pokemon fragments. They were fully intact and moving around freely in 40k...
Then there was a retcon where the Necrons blew them all up and they're tiny pokemon shards - "Gotta catch 'em all!"
It was so much better to keep them intact.
Depends on the source. Early and mid 2000's books credit them to the Eldar. Later ones credit at least some to the Necrons. It's inconsistent.
What is the source of the specific types of Men of Iron, like the mechnivores or nano swarms? I thought zero knowledge of these had survived
t's based on a few of the older novels (1999s) and the inferred re-telling's of Ollanius Perrson (from the Perpetual short story)
I'm surprised you didn't mention the stc making corrupted men of iron from the gaunt ghost book First and Only
Well done
Richard Ayoade voicing the Man of Iron?
What is the source on the UR-025 story? A book?
Find one of these boys to fix the golden throne tbh.
Mechnavores and nanoswarms...so basically the Men Of Iron created their own version of the Tyranids. Yikes! Great job with the visuals, btw!
Thank you, I appreciate the nice comments
“Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”
Extremely interesting.
I wonder if the robots brought down upon the Dark Mechanicus are the same as the ones used against the Krave Autokathona on it's mother ship.
I miss warhammer before the power creep and everything. Back when the men of iron were this kind of mythological thing that you would only see on a table if some one was dedicated enough to make the model, not giving us one in a bunch of different boxes. They were only mentioned in lore really here and there. When bolters were this omnipotent weapon of war that only the most talented of warriors could wield, not just a generic weapon type for all the armies. The times when your army general was a representation of you on the battlefield, Not just another One of a kind named guy that pops up in one third of the armies because hes more powerful the the phalanx kind of power creep. Theyve kind of just turned it into the mcdonalds of sci fi. Even worse they trying to trade mark it all, not realizing helldivers 2 stole most their unit models from them.
Imagine if such a thing were to happen to the tau😂, but again it’s the main core reason as to why any and all forms of artificial intelligence outside of the semi autonomous systems like the KAT or cyclops
men of iron will return. to be continued
I would love a story of a man of iron working to undo the fall of man and the blood shed his people cause for the sake of freedom.
Thank you for this one. More please.
AI accent switches between American and British at points 😂
Abominable Intelligence still has a long way to go. Hopefully that means they're not efficient enough wipe us out yet!
Out of curiosity, can you point out which parts the accents switched? I've been trying to fix it but to no avail.
This video seems like its basically just a copy of Sandman from Terra's video, from the way the intro is the same only worded differently to the titles of the video being the same except for one word being changed. Also the AI "art" slop.
the machine god is probably the AI they thought they got rid off
Anyone else see the irony of this video (which was made by AI), talking about the horrors of AI?
Just to clear the air - the images are AI and heresy. The script and editing was all done by an inferior human :)
@@ImperiumArchive and the voice acting?...
Its all good, I don't fight the AI, the cat is out of that bag and it isn't going back in.
I was just pointing out the irony, not protesting. ;)
Feel a bit bothered when it isn't a human voicing it. Is it just me?
It's my belief that chaos corruption caused the iron of men to betray humanity
One of your best videos👍! Truly fascinating!
This channel is going to the moon.
Could the mechanicum find stc’s in the forbidden men if irons matricies and if they take back Cadia what’s left if the black stone fortress?
Didn’t these guys try to kill like, All of humanity?
There is also supposedly a Man of Iron hiding among the iron hands. I believe he killed a spacewolf to keep his identity a secret.
I didn't know this! Do you happen to know where this was referenced?
@@ImperiumArchiveI believe it's the Keys of Hel. if i remember correctly. I don't think they outright say it but he does kill a marine for seeing his armor is empty i think. or something like that. again it's been a while but it stuck with me.
The men of iron are still around, and they're on Malevelon Creek.
"mere morsels" omnomnom 7:05
I would love to see them being used on the tyranids
Blackstone fortress were not created by the Eldar. I think they are originally of Necron design.
I thought no one knew who made the blackstone fortresses, could be the necron but not even they are sure who did it.
This is very strange, because the people themselves were divided into gold men, stone man and steel man. As far as I know, the golden men created the stone men and they created the steel men, but the war itself was between the stone and steel men, we have no references to the golden men's participation in all this. So, on the one hand, we have a story about ancient times that we no longer know and will not understand (probably there are eldar who know everything about those times, but we, as a viewer, do not have access to their vast historical records) and on the other hand, we have a story straight from the terminator, which is not completely true. We also know that ancient artificial intelligence was "connected" to the human brain, because we know the story of the ship that came from the past to the present (of 40k). So maybe we are talking about the golden people as the first people who created the cyborgs that populated the universe and who began to create machines, or the machines themselves could have been the body, into which human minds were transferred in the form of code (because we also know that humans stored the minds of extremely important people).
How powerful would the men of iron be in the current setting? Would they stomp necrons & the tau?
Hypothetically yes. They legit had weapons that could destroy whole planets with one button (similar to the Necrons). They would for sure destroy the Tau.
Nobody knows what ensued among the chaos, but when The Lion woke up he was beating them all with a big piece of fatty….
UR-025 is the only explorer in Blackstone Fortress that I would consider a necessary inclusion to your group.
Buffed by the Navigator explorer, U-025 can be made nearly unkillable.
As far as I know not all the AI turned on humanity and we still now what they "men of iron" means. As there were the men of stone and one other type.
Arent the Votann iron kin techically men of iron?
I don't know if they existed during the times of the Cybernetic Revolt. Unsure if this would count as a Men of Iron
Technically the Votann AIs would qualify as Men of Stone, being immobile and all. The Men of Iron primary quality is mobility, as well as being armed warmachines instead of mere planners.
What is considered to be forbidden weaponry?
How did the humans win against the oh so mighty Men of Iron?
Armor cores in warhammer
Are men of iron the same as Necrons? Also between men of iron and necrons who will win?
No mention of the corrupted MoI on Menazoid Epsilon?
Very well-done video, even though it is tek-heresy.
They will be called "the iron musk"😂😂😂
I know dark angels and iron hanss got some