Scruton Lectures 2022 - Peter Hitchens on After Conservatism
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- In conversation with Daniel Hannan and Noel Malcolm.
Held at The Sheldonian Theatre, Oxford on 24th October 2022.
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The passage beginning at 53:20 is the most emotional I have ever seen Peter in public. This is a guy who published his first book on the destruction of liberty, country and family in 1999 and has had to endure an onslaught of vitriol and slurs from his enemies and scoffs and indifference from those who should have been his allies. I feel as though this passage channels the past twenty five years of having to watch in anguish as the country he loves is reduced to ash and being the lone voice against it. We owe this man so much.
Indeed we do.
Agreed.
We don’t, unfortunately, as he failed to change anything. However, his writing and various books are illuminating and insightful, and he is always a joy to hear. I respect him enormously; he has fought long, earnestly and hard, but alas, he has failed - so far. It is, perhaps, therefore, excessive to suggest we ‘owe’ him anything
@@nedks11 He failed because we failed collectively as a society
We love the goodies but fail to ask what the price is
What is the price of living on the never never to fuel our current form of living
What is the price of Globalism ?
@@seanmoran2743 quite. Very well put.
He's truly devastated at the relentless and remorseless destruction of everything he knows and loves; and I wholeheartedly share in his grief.
@@captainhurricane5705 that's what is so heartbreaking.
Hannon " but.. but....just think of GDP growth".
What a heartfelt and powerful piece of oratory by Peter, such a shame that almost everything he has warned against over the last 20 years has been ignored by our politicians.
Peter was warning about the politicians
Agreed, except his repeated claim that "the left" somehow won its revolution. It did not. The only winners are the oligarchs, the neoliberals and what Tariq Ali more correctly labels "the extreme centre".
If there is justice in THIS world, there will be a statue raised to him in a future and BETTER United Kingdom.
@@SEKreiver , he wouldn't want a statue of himself, he's not a huge fan of them in general, or of idolatry in general.
@@SEKreiver statues of our people (White people/ ethnic English) are being pulled down unfortunately.
Daniel Hannan goes on to prove Hitchens absolutely right about modern Tories.
GDP at all costs is what destroyed conservatives.
It is painful and by the end it is as though he did not take in one word. "We got that quite clearly from your lecture..."@1:11:45
Richard Rohr
3 days to afford a TV set? Now do houses.
yep, cheap economic materialism to replace the loss of an entire culture and moral structure to life.
Lots of "sensible” Tories used to mock Peter Hitchens for his pessimism and accuse him of being a crank. They don't mock him any longer.
Hannan is a perfect example of what Peter articulates so well, there isn't a single conservative left in the Tory party.
Completely agree.
They're rammed with Progressives and globalists.
Matt Hancock epitomes all that is so shallow and fundamentally wrong in the Conservative Party.
I'd love to see Dan live at the top of a tower block in Ilford for a month.
It was such a quiet suburb, nice front gardens, high trust low crime when I was a child.
It's completely collapsed into Mogadishu now.
@@evolassunglasses4673 That's coming to every city, town and village. The Progressive Utopia.
At 54:40, Peter says all that remains is to live life in internal exile, enjoying what remains of the country we once knew. At age 67, I am coming to the view that I have to stop railing against things. We have lost. I am wasting my time. I shall devote my energies to creative pursuits , art, science, mathematics, foreign languages, and travel before they make that impossible. Stopping the fight makes me feel guilty. I see Peter's emotion, and am thankful that he is still spreading truth.
Covid response gave them the go ahead, we effectively just had a bloodless coup d'etat yet only shoulders are shrugged..
Also 67, and quit the country, but still railing against the dying of the light. Don’t give in, you only lose when you give up. There are generations behind us. They need you.
I’m 30 and have given up on my fellow British as a whole after the covid panic. I realised the people of these islands don’t even want to be free so what’s the point.
On a long enough timeline, reality always reimposes itself. The Progressive destruction of family, community, societies, nations, truth, liberty and gratitude will be a hard fall in the mean time.
No regime lasts for ever because humans get bored. The globalists who think they have won forever are going to be surprised when the intellectuals out of boredom seek to live out another fantasy instead. Every political order is really an attempt to live one fantasy or another. National Socialism was one fantasy, Communism and Laissez faire Liberalism are others. Trotsky, Josē Antonio Primo De Vera, King Louis XVl and Atatürk were all trying to create their fantasies. There no losing because there is no final victory in this world where the bored tear down what was created by other bored people. Don't despair for where is Osimundius ? Where are the Pharaohs ? Best wishes and enjoy your travels.
"Amen", I say to the honorable Mr. Hitchens. A powerful speech that made me a bit misty-eyed, I must confess. I speak for some others here in the US in saying that I sincerely hope Britain finds its way. I wish the same for my own country.
Thank you brother.
Same to you mate. Although it looks bleak hopefully we can reclaim our countries from the neoliberal powers holding them ransom
Britain's done, mate. Australia is heading the same way.
Peter, you are the voice of a lost tribe of whom I am one. That oratory had my eyes welling up. I'm a Scotsman living in Sofia, Bulgaria and my 7 year old daughter calls you 'Peter the Pigeon'. She was beside me watching cartoons as I listened to your closing piece and she noticed my moist eyes. "Daddy, why are you crying at Peter the Pigeon?" she asked. "I'll tell you one day sweetheart" I replied.
Peter finds life most pleasurable when everyone is as miserable as he is.
Bravo Peter. But what a mess of a presentation. Ten minutes of intro when a brief 2 mins would have been ideal. Peter was his usual delightful informed speaker, but the last 20 minutes was dreadful.
Choked me up that mate..English Irish Scots here..all the best
Get a grip
@@ally11488 Or maybe he comes from a place of deep anguish, and you are just too stupid or callous to be able to possibly understand how he feels.
Hannon’s strange, even bullying insistence that Mr. Hitchens “be positive” was creepy. It’s part and parcel of the “conservative progressivism” of many modern conservatives. Such modern conservatives have little grasp of the eternal verities that Hitchens was articulating. As a result they confuse optimism with Hope and are idolatrous about politics.
Maybe the penny might drop that so say modern conservatives are not conservative
yeah, notice how he tried to pidgeon hole peter as anti homosexuality to gain some points. Daniel Hannan is awful
Thank you
I liked Daniel Hannan when he said some nice words in the EU Parliament. As time went on, Farage and Hitchens remained as people who were actually important. As people who actually did things and think things.
Daniel Hannan faded away. It seems he was good at speaking some empty words back in the day.
Is Hannon the love child of Max Headroom?
Brilliant speech from Peter Hitchens. This should be taught in schools. It will be in future.
You’re hopeful. Mr Hitchens isn’t.
I think this bloke basically demonstrated Hitchens' overall point. 🤔
Who cares how long it takes the average worker to save up for a television set (which is far from emergent technology) in an era whereby the only thing on said television is essentially 'progressive' propaganda..?
Materialism vs morality
Having a television set in your living room is like having an open sewer in your living room.
Twitter today is the main conduit of (varying levels of) political discussion, not the BBC TV or Radio. TV was quicker than 'the papers' and Twitter/the Net is quicker than TV. This is also something to beware, as instant opinions are often regretted in hindsight, which is an effect also of the anonymity of most participants. Legacy media loathe not being in control of *what* gets discussed.
Daniel Hannan is precisely the kind of conservative that Hitchens, Scruton, et al. have been opposing all this time.
The CONservative party is full of the likes of Hannan.
It's like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre ~ Enoch Powell
I searched Wikipedia and Google to see if Daniel Hannan was a practicing Christian. Well, we know Peter is. He didn't volunteer it here, and I could find nothing online to suggest so. Idk if Brits do this, but I'm an American Christian. So, it matters to know if "our people" are truly "our people".
As Peter is.
Yes! Perhaps we should run for the hills like the monks of Ireland.
@@daviddestefanis2989
Daniel Hannan is a practicing neo-liberal.
absolutely.
Thoroughly moved by Mr. Hitchens’ analysis of the state of conservatism in Britain. An excellent speech, one of the best I’ve heard from him. I cannot claim to agree with him on everything, but he is one always worth listening to. He is vital to the debate because you know he has thought carefully and considered rigorously every word he utters. God bless you Peter. Keep up the good fight.
Loved Sir Roger.What a gentle and brave soul.He has been proved right because look what has happened.
A greatly articulate and historical speech from Mr Hitchens. To close with an
emotional prayer in sentiment with our country. With an interpretation to continue a pursuit through younger generations.
Here for Peter Hitchens. Who on earth is going to replace this great man when he departs this mortal coil?
While applauding the sentiment, I can only imagine how PH feels when he reads such comments. @Peter Hitchens, we hope you have many more years ahead of you and that we all live to see better times.
A bag of spanners
Shuffle off this mortal coil, surely?
@@encle Correct. My mistake. Peter would be furious with me! :)
@@hmq9052 I'm sure your boyfriend's face looks better after a few jars, kiddo . . .
Fantastic speech by Peter, unparalleled in his genuine love for this land and culture
And for God.
@@AdIesumPerMariam Amen. ✝️
With regard to Hannan, I’m reminded of G.K. Chesterton’s observation that tolerance is the attitude of those who do not believe in anything.
The refusal to draw and defend lines. Allow yourself to be dragged so far over a line you had until last Wednesday, yet applaud it and call those who stood their ground 'bigots', 'extremists', and all the rest.
Cowardice basically.
@@design7054 Well said.
Thank you for remembering Sir Roger! I miss him... prayers from an Indian Reservation in North Dakota! Keep rolling! Objective reality lives!
Peter Hitchens is quite right in that The So Called Conservative party desperately needs to be got rid of and replaced by a real Conservative party
We're not going to vote our way out of this mess. Whatever political party you'll establish will soon end up being highjacked by midwits and their free-market backers. The only true revolutionary conservative option is to dispel with the sham that is democracy altogether.
You can't vote your way out of this crisis
@@drifty_grifty Don’t let it get to a crisis in the first place which is Peter’s point !
That’s why he’s given up because he knows it’s past the point of no return !!!!
That's about the only thing he's right on, but yes.
Like who do you have in mind?
In answer to Daniel Hannan: Japan is an example of a country which had restrictions but no lockdown. It is also an example of a country which has little immigration. Not to say whether these things are right or wrong, but it’s a major country which is usually ignored.
Indeed. Not a perfect country and they have also much less problem with drugs and crime.
And South Korea
I live in Japan. Their government is remarkably unique in that it's constituent humans have no interest in curtailing the rights and freedoms of the Japanese citizenry but only desire to uphold preexisting laws and traditions.
Japanese are often accused of being 'collectivist' but I think that's the result of having never actually lost their personal connection with their greater culture.
Japan is infected by Western neoliberalism. The health of a people is easily measured. To what capacity does it replicate itself. All Western nations are in population decline (hence the need to introduce mass migration as the state requires tax payers to fund its projects). A self loathing elite drive the levers of power of a nation, it should not be a surprise when said nation which is its people no longer possess the will to replicate itself into the future. The spirit of a nation is so withdrawn that its people have completely discarded the instinct of self preservation in favor of momentary pleasure and distraction. And it is no wonder that people do not possess the will to revolt against this cultural degradation.
@@doh917 - the ‘infection’ of neoliberalism in Japan is being kept at bay remarkably well by strong cultural antibodies; moreover I’d argue that it’s the older generations - ‘dankai no sedai’, or ‘baby boomers’ - who ‘suffered’ the most from the virus postmodern radicalism that they acquired largely at universities, ideologies whose precepts are rather foreign to the young Japanese. Their population decline owes to entirely other reasons and they’re certainly not trying to cite it as an excuse to open the migrant floodgates (well, certain elements in the state are but they’re consistently thwarted by votes).
I feel so sorry for Peter Hitchens: he explains for an hour what is wrong with the foundations of Britain and the West in general, and all this fellow "conservative" is able to respond is, in a nutshell, that nowadays a television set is cheaper than fifty years ago... Hitchens was visibly irritated by that, but I think such nonsense sadly is the best he has got over the last twenty years.
I think what Hannan was talking about is what economists call consumption equality. It's sort of a defense of capitalism against socialists. In the West, consumption equality has been increasing over the years. In the past, only the rich could afford all the advances in technology, but with economies of scale, even the poorest can now afford TV sets, cell phones, microwave ovens, reliable foods at the grocery, and the like. The difference is -- and this will always be true -- the rich can afford a better quality of these goods. So, Hannan's point shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. It's easy to be melancholy about the spiritual and moral direction of the world, and that's realism, but it's also important to be optimistic, which is idealism.
@@VernCrisler international finance capitalism created a post war boom but ultimately hollowed out much of the working class. + Mass immigration will be our death nail.
We got captured, used and dumped.
London has gone bulkanization is coming.
Hitchens: Our elite institutions have traded our birthright for empty-souled globalism.
Hannan: Yes, but have you considered that the average englishman in 2007 had to travel 33 minutes for a decent curry... but that time is now reduced to 3.5 minutes! Progress!
We have the recipes and the ingredients are available.
Ha that's a brilliant summary.
Hannan: "OK we lost European Civilisation but you can order a Kebab on your phone at 3am in the morning".
Peter Hitchens in brilliant form as usual!!! The perfect speaker for a Roger Scruton memorial event!!! RIP Roger Scruton. 🙂🌞🌻💛🙏
Peters oratory at its best is always edgy, informative, melancholy, and as the closing hymn demonstrates, can be extremely moving.
That is without doubt the most emotional I have ever seen Peter and I have to admit, my eyes became moist. There is something profound in witnessing a man of immense emotion restraint wobble like that.
This man obviously cares deeply about his country and I share that sentiment completely.
I’m just glad that my Grandparents are not here to witness what a mess we have made.
"I’m just glad that my Grandparents are not here to witness what a mess we have made." - unrecognisable country. Shameful.
The antisocial tech society would have killed my mother, father, and sister, feels alien to often be thankful they haven't seen it.
Fortunate enough to watch it live and Peter was terrific.
My experience of having been a member of the Conservative Party is exactly the same as Peter's. It is not in the slightest interested in the opinions or policy suggestions of members. It is therefore a complete waste of time and ink even writing to one's conservative MP. I quit during the lockdowns and will never vote Conservative again. I incline now to the Hitchenite view: The Conservative Party must die in order that a proper conservative party, whatever it may be called, may rise from the ashes.
Excellent lecture by Peter Hitchens we live in a Triggers broom society that looks the same despite having a dozen new heads and a dozen new handles. The departments and institutions are still there but in name only.
Ship of Theseus paradox.
Triggers broom was still fully functional though, so not a good analogy.
@@ericrawson2909 very droll.
I wish I had spoken more loudly when I said to Daniel Hannan 'You know so little about me'.
I heard you clearly.
He’s questioning proved it
In my humble opinion
I’d also say he’s only answer appeared to be money and false prosperity built on Globalism
Surprised that you made the common mistake of misattributing Evelyn Beatrice's Hall's famous quote about free speech to Voltaire. 51:29
@Peter Hitchens I'm not surprised, he didn't even know how public opinion is shaped. I mean Edward Bernays wrote Propaganda and Walter Lippmann wrote Public Opinion in the 1920s.
He also seems to not understand what Whig History is or that he's accepted the Progressive frame which would explain why Conservatives like him will never be the answer.
@@PilgrimMission As did I (and I happened to be doing something else at that moment, so my attention was temporarily divided).
You get:
Vibrant multicultural street food, Boa buns, Turkish BBQ, Singapore noodles, Thai, Kebabs, Hookah bars.
What does it cost?
Everything.
I wish I knew about this lecture so I could attend and pay my respects to Mr. Scruton. He was hounded and I have little doubt that his untimely death was a result of political and social persecution.
This is Peter Hitchens at his very best. Hauntingly true words. As an American, I see so many similarities between our countries. The way he feels for his beloved Britain is the way I feel for my beloved America. That underneath his words is a deep and abiding belief in eternal consequences, adds such power to all that he says. The world is full of hopelessness and the political institutions we once belived in were corrupted long ago. The one hope that remains, and should always have been the only hope, is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Both America and Britain are occupied by international finance.
I'm a Canadian living in the U.S. right now. Your country isn't finished yet. But mine is, and Britain is.
Peter’s speech is one of the greatest I’ve ever heard.
The discussion at the end was interesting, but DH seemed to be taking the comparative, ‘third way’ tone, always designed to undermine anyone with conviction.
Something of a pity that Daniel Hannon has been gifted a permanent voice in British Government for the rest of his life whereas I'd really rather see and hear Peter Hitchens there instead.
Most impressive, from me over here in Manhattan. Grateful for the voice of Mr Hitchens.
Peter is amazing
Dan Hannan is clearly a libertarian, not a conservative.
Yesterday's liberals are today's conservatives
Yes. He can't see anything Peter Hitchens is talking about.
He is also a cuck
Completely blinded inside the Liberal paradigm.
Not what I would call libertarian
Peter is so awesome.
Peter is always entertaining, if somewhat meandering.
That said , always a pleasant and rewarding journey .
Hitchens is always eventually right about most things.
Remembering a truly great man. We are like dwarfs sitting on the shoulders of giants. Thanks master Roger, for lending us your shoulders.
Peter the great. Love Mail on Sunday and Talk Radio with MG
Sounds like an old testament prophet; so inspiring! May God bless you
'To live in internal exile'...
My Dad said...
'I am not afraid of any priest..
I only fear God!'
Hannan is intelligent enough to know that had he selected houses instead of TVs, then a house was certainly less expensive for a working man in 1971. Quite disengeuous of him.
Home ownership rates were about 50% in 1970, they are about 65% now. Real incomes are about 200% higher
@@importantjohn
Ownership of property here is what percentage by people of foreign extraction & what's the trend on that number?
@@GodsOwnPrototype Foreign ownership is only about 1%, so not really a factor in this discussion (albeit that is twice what it was 10 years ago)
@@importantjohn
I think there may also be an issue with the definition of the category of foreign.
Granted it won't be particularly large still but the generational trend projection is what matters.
@@Paulsyfi Someone doesnt understand what the term 'real incomes' means
Per the latest (and probably last) report on foreign in UK from HM O.N.S. :
Over 10M foreign born persons living in UK.
Over 40% of persons living in London foreign born.
How does that compare to other countries Mr. Hannan ?
Whilst it is true that the principal political parties are hostile places for true conservatives, I genuinely believe that conservatism continues to live strongly in the hearts of our communities in the real world. A new rebellion to coalesce and mobilise this sentiment is overdue. Is there a selfless individual or two in our midst who will lead an uprising? Thank you Peter, for your unwavering voice and continued inspiration.
I also agree with your observations on the Blair government, pretending to be what it was not. The long march was promoted, in mindless trendy slogans, and entrenched there, in plain sight under the noses of the Tory party, who are now almost completely subscribed to the cause. #StealthPowerCommunistRevolution
Which communities? The Amish?
Conservative ideology is not revolutionary, unlike Nationalism. Its a low energy hold the line ideology. Move to Nationalism. There are no solutions inside the Liberal paradigm.
Yes, but it's not a revolutionary ideology like say Nationalism.
@@vorynrosethorn903 the Amish are doing very well, still having lots of children
Whether u like some of his views or not....he is a deep thinker and ethical fellow.
There's barely anything he says I disagree with, such are his reasoned arguments.
I think his tenacious defence of the late Bishop George Bell of Chichester is one of the most honourable and principled things he's done - it really meant that much to him to go to the lengths he did to defend the reputation of a deceased clergyman he truly admired and respected. What courage it must've taken to challenge the kangaroo court behaviour against those that ought to have been at the forefront of honouring the presumption of innocence especially to one of their own, but instead casually cast that reputation to the wolves for the sake of ease and their own personal image, whilst maintaining an open enough mind that he could have been wrong should enough evidence against Bishops Bell have come to light. But as he suspected, it was all terribly ill-founded.
Similarly, I think the persistent stance and scrutiny against the OPCW's suspiciously politically influenced behaviour over Syria was one his greatest things he's done in his career as a journalist.
Hitchens on fire again
This should be mandatory listening for everyone.
For the tears I just cried, the grief remains
Peter puts his finger on the problem in British society. It is moral and spiritual. The answers will come from those who have had a moral and spiritual renewal - maybe starting in the book of Lamentations?
Daniel Hannan lives in a "classical liberal" dreamworld.
@bartley butsford no. There are no solutions inside the Liberal paradigm. We stayed inside the Liberal paradigm and lost ground every year from 1945. The Anglo-sphere Right has been a complete failure.
@@bartleybutsford7259 Classical Liberalism has completely failed to pushback against Progressive Liberalism.
There are no solutions inside the Liberal paradigm.
So amazing to hear someone voice my thoughts and feelings …. Watching from Adelaide Australia 🕊🤍🕊
Proverbs 14.34 - 34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.
Unless I'm mistaking the figures, in England and Wales, there were roughly 141.82 deaths per 1,000 live births in 1920, while there were 343.88 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2021.
Hitchens is wasting his breath on Hannan. It’s absolutely clear it isn’t sinking in.
Praise to the Lord, who, when darkness of sin is abounding,
Who, when the godless do triumph, all virtue confounding,
Sheddeth His light, chaseth the horrors of night,
Saints with His mercy surrounding.
This man is peerless.
Amen.. thank you 🙏
Not a lot of people joined in the ‘Amen’ at the end . It spoke volumes.
According to people who went, far more did then what it sounds like
Actually I thought quite a few of the audience did say "amen". Indeed how could they not.
Peter Hitchens remains the only man with a real understanding of what has happened to our country. What will be left when he is gone?
M osley saw this Globalisation nightmare coming in the 30s when we could of still saved our civilisation.
@@evolassunglasses4673 "when we could have", or, "could've..."
@@soniavadnjal7553 knob
Hannan sees things entirely through economics and that which can be measured. In other words he misses (or seems to miss) an entire dimension of human experience - the moral, the religious, the aesthetic - and thus disqualifies himself from any just possession of the label 'conservative'. He would, I think, be more honest to identify as a classical liberal (less politely, a free market fanatic). The contrast between proper religious, Burkean, English conservatism (in Peter) and Thatcher Redux (in Hannan) could not have been more stark.
We were never asked about White British replacement.
P.H is such a pleasure to listen too.
Hannan demonstrates the modern, empty tory. Oh well we can get a lovely widescreen tv!
And a few grams of Soma.
Hannan = we increased GDP figures but lost European Civilisation
@Evola’s Sunglasses great argument eh?
Wonderful 👍🏾
This man has more bravery in his nail filings than I do in my entire body.
If there's a Hitchens speaking, I will listen ❤ Peter is fantastic! Christopher is a Hero ❤
I was born during WWII and came through a period of austerity that has never, as yet, occurred again. Certainly my current life is one of financial prosperity but I am not sure the current quality of life is as good as it was during my youth. Quality of life surely is not one of affluence, nice though it is, but of freedom and peace of mine.
Hitchens is a great guy.
A very enjoyable speech. Perhaps a better interviewer will be available next time.
I want Peter Hitchens to be wrong. Sadly I never seem to get what I want.
I thought the lecture was wonderful but frankly we could have done without the fast-moving conversation that didn’t seem to settle on anything in particular. People so often fall into the trap of assuming that if you criticise anything, you are expected to provide the solution. Why? Peter Hitchens is not putting himself forward for that job, but he has in no meaningful sense given up because he could just go away and live a quiet retirement, but he keeps speaking out about what he thinks. I believe he has said elsewhere that telling the truth is a good thing in itself. He reminds people that there is a different point of view. That you are now expected, however inexpert you are, to provide the remedy if you describe the illness, is another sign of the deteriorating quality of discourse.
Thank you very much for these lectures.
Amen
God I remember when I was younger and more impressionable that I viewed Hannan as some sort of traditional conservative. I think I just fell for his accent.
"Luckily for me, I'll probably be dead before the new age begins in earnest" - cracks me up does that. 😂
It all rests on denying that Britain has a native people.
That is why it must be reestablished as the truth as the first step towards building Britain as a land - and people - to define it's own future.
That does mean risk being lied about as racist, but as a people and it's land as a standard we would extend to any other part of the world, it will never be racist.
In group preference is completely normal, never opologies.
Whether these levels of migration were of a similar scale to other countries is irrelevant. The question is:
We’re the citizens of UK asked their opinion on it? Was the debate had? Did the government explain what their plan was?
Yes they voted against it and they were ignored and so they are now replacing them and calling them racist for being exterminated
As a Londoner, I agree with Peter.
Couldn't the camera have focused more on Peter during the questions section?
There should be a photo of Hannan beside the phrase "Someone who knows the price of everything & knows the value of absolutely nothing."
AMEN...
Peter Hitchens, a man who fears God, loves God, is a wise man....
"For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding." Proverbs 2:6 kjv
No man who fears a made up wizard in the sky can be called wise.
Peter on fine form here. Hannan's questions were unoriginal and boring.
I wish Peter would write his atuo-biography, that would be a fascinating read, growing up with Christopher as an older brother; his time living in the soviet Russia ect
If your reading this Mr H, get typing 👍
Nice to hear peters quote from Horiatius at the bridge, “for every man death comets, and what better way to die than in the defense of the ashes of our fathers and the temples of our gods”
Why did Mr Hannan talk so much?
Because his words are empty
Like so many conservatives Hannan is angry because his dealer refuses to give him the cope he is addicted to.
Insightful
He wasn't wrong about police, I've been out now 25 years, unrecognisable...
Does Hannah love the sound of his voice more than the content of what comes out
No! He just doesn't realize or is not willing to accept he is well out of his depth!!!
Both embarassing, actually.
Fascinating and powerful speech by Hitchens. Regarding the 'chat' I'd say Hitchens 1 : 0 Hanan. The presumptions in the questions only worked in patches.
Thank you for uploading this video - the speech by Peter was supreme.
I read Roger Scruton ‘England - An Elegy’ and i very much enjoyed that book.
I wish to read more of his literature and Peter’s as well. I think the book cited by the host Malcolm is also interesting for reasons stated - it sounded stimulating as described.
The speech from Peter was an illustration that he (PH) has a sense of humour - that is i think deliberately attacked by a false caricature in the media.
PH is mischaracterised as some kind of miserable pessimist - that is part of PH - no different in truth to all of us at one time or another depending on circumstance and what is actually occurring in our lives to our understanding and interpretation.
You cannot be genuinely upset unless you care about improvements - PH is sincere, whether you agree or not is another matter.
I think it was perhaps ironic (if that is the most accurate word) the mobile phone rings during his speech.
PH mentions the period of Cameron coming in at 2010 and the very significant deterioration (to PH observations) from that time - which coincides with the advent of what is to this day perversely called - a mobile phone.
The point being is that i think technology and advances in that sphere combined with the facts PH set out in the political/social landscape have amplified the intrusion on civil liberties to the point of some sort of end of an era basically.
The idea that you can have contesting and conflicting views in public discourse that pertains to practicing freedoms of varying kind - to think - to speak - to congregate and act without any sanctions/interference with such a combination of rapid social and political change/tolerances and the technological insertion of some sort of third limb almost that is simply impactful in ways that to my mind will become very clear to many at a latter point - is i think fanciful.
The essential tenets of a democracy are to peacefully engage in contesting and conflicting views that pertain to argument.
It is astonishing that the very word ‘argument’ - conjurers up some notion of a menace or dissenter or threat in some way - everything you see around you is borne out of that so called threat - it is to argue a case and to provide an alternative to what is otherwise being proposed that leads to civilisation.
The alternative is violence. There are others - subversive and sort of seditious kinds that i think pertain to this rapid technological period from the advent of the internet and specifically the smart phone.
The positive that is less discussed is that young people and older people to a lesser degree have access to technology that is also for very good outcomes.
The ability to capture new audiences and share experiences and thoughts is i think noteworthy. The countenance is when the state hone in to disable some sort of perceived threat as highlighted by PH of some blogger.
My admiration for a free speech union like Toby Young is very meaningful. I think that sort of actuality should not limit itself in anyway to simply speech per say.
I think it is vital that people are permitted to have an outlet for there views in both a technological sense and vitally - through the ballot box.
Those two amount to what separates the UK from effectively banana republics and authoritarian regimes we send our citizens into harms way to liberalise - yet we have at home our own discontent and i think that is our priority.
Finally, i think i am utterly convinced that a coalition of sorts exists in public sentiment towards broadly an agenda of the Corbynista’s - hardly a surprise in these social and economic times - and, i think those on the other side of the political divide that want a crack at being an independent country.
The benefits of Brexit have had a pandemic and then a severe financial/social crisis in short order to contend with.
The calibre of Tony Benn of yesteryear and other big hitters in politics has been replaced with script readers and you could say - mere puppets that believe what they are told to believe.
It will take awhile to update the state of affairs but it will also take less to see people overtly discontented if day to day life diminishes for large swathes of the population and this sense of unfairness and injustice becomes too much.
I would be the obvious choice as PM - as i would be supreme. Outside of that, i think it is high time to stop being governed by those in the financial city who tell anyone who cares to listen - that without a administration that is with a majority etc - the markets will lose confidence and the pound will sink etc.
It seems to me that if the last few years have shown anything it is that such talk is piffle.
We are going through PM’s like confetti at a wedding. The facts are that Germany is a comparable country to ourselves and they have coalition’s - i don’t see why our electorate cannot be afforded 4 credible choices that are on the ballot paper and let people decide.
The two parties are one big party.
The choice that is required is a massive positive to facilitate and progressive and enlightened and necessary.
PH need not be too pessimistic as i see from this dire period some sort of meaningful improvement to insert itself at some point.
Thank you fir stimulating my brain - great speech but i cannot bear to listen to Hannan, i tuned in for the national treasure - PH who is tributing another Roger Scruton.
O God who art the author of peace, and lover of concord. In knowledge of whom standeth our eternal life, whose service is perfect freedom. Defend us thy humble servants in all assaults of thy enemies, that we, surely trusting in thy defense, may not fear the power of any adversaries, through the might of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
46:16 The first time I’ve ever heard Peter Hitchens swear
Nope. He once called a man who he saw drinking skimmed milk, "A wretched, white water drinking, bell-end."
@@deepzepp4176 where/when was this?
@@jonatha_nbarron it happened in my mind about 2 hours ago.
He was quoting what his editor said to him. But yes, unusual.
'Fake ancientess' . . . Hitchens is so good at calling these things out with apposite terminology. It's almost as good as 'Psuedo profundity' 🤣
Haha - I love 'pseudo profundity great phrase
Were any audience members desperate to ask any questions?? We’ll never know.
Excellent speech by Peter that gathered pace and ended with an emotional bang. Daniel was subsequently a bit too combative which ruined the contemplatory (and Scruton-esque) tone. Off-putting.
Amen peter, Amen