I was extremely late to the series. Having watched it for the first time at the start of lockdown. And I would genuinely put it up there in my top 5 series. I was hooked and sweated the entire endeavour In around a week
I stopped watching when Kate and Sawyer were in a cage. They dragged that shit out. Best episode: the constant. And that time travel shit was bollocks.
I loved the show, honestly the ending didn't bother me. I was never expecting all the answers. For me I took greater pleasure in reading all the theories online and other people's views.
I don't buy your "Jack good/Locke bad" premise for Season 1. At all. I just rewatched the whole show for the 3rd or 4th time and I have never come away with that impression, or even thought that was the desired intent of the show creators. No, Jack and Locke are shown as equally compelling characters with widely differing philosophies, but I think it's overly reductive to render their disagreement as being the actual depiction of light vs. dark. If anything, Locke to me seems way more light than Jack, who despite his abilities and intentions is highly prone to agitation and conflict.
I agree it's reductive, but it's clear the creators wanted Locke to seem off and possibly bad. Especially in the first few episodes. The overall that makes his analysis reductive is that no one is all good or bad. That's why Locke being set up as some ominous person in the first season works and almost needs to be reductive.
Yeah exactly, Locke was the one who believed in the Island, believed in his destiny. He helped Charlie get off drugs, helped Walt before Michael stepped up as a father. He was always a good guy.
@@maxamsil6325 and not just faith/belief, but the consequences of following blind faith and being tested for the perseverance of character. I don’t think John is evil, he just had bad things done to him and has to reflect on his intentions of following that faith
He was much more the main character in my experience and infinitely more interesting. Jack is very concrete-bound and excellently fulfills the purpose he must. Locke, however is constantly pushing his limits, exceeding what we think possible, and forcefully getting to the truth of things.
It seems like some strange character defamation to revive Locke's face on the final villain, I think the MIB actor had enough clout to carry it to completetion. The writers put themselves in a plot trap with the time travel and shifted faster than even they could anticipate.
No he wasn't bad, but the first season definitely tried to make you assume he's not good. That was the beauty to the evolution of his character thorough out the series. Our perception of him.
I was drawn to him & was moved to tears when his father betrayed him. That was a very brave and selfless act- to give someone a kidney. Out of all the characters, I felt he had suffered the most. He was wise & helped people with his insight.
Me too. I thought it was perfect actually. There wasnt much more they could've done. Man that last episode was so emotional. Brilliant series with brilliant writing and even more brilliant acting.
i would split the series like this: season 1-3 (character driven through flash backs) season 4-5(plot and character driven through flash forwards and flashbacks ), season 6 (plot driven through after life scenes )
I'm watching season 1 right now, and although Locke comes across as mysterious and villainous to the other characters, we the audience are shown from the beginning that he's a desperate man looking for a purpose. It's not about good vs evil, it's about faith vs science. The final season is not Jack vs Locke, it's Locke vs the smoke monster... Jack has become a man of faith like Locke and the smoke monster just looks like Locke.
I enjoy ALL the different opinions on what LOST was all about. Bottom line is I loved watching the show. I enjoy all the different opinions on what it was all about. For me it was Jack and Kate. I became Jack Shepherd and went through the ups and downs of his love for Kate. All the rest was wonderful, too; nevertheless, it was just icing for the cake. That was the true genius of LOST. It had different meaning for different people. Never watched a show that affected me so...I'm not alone...people still writing about it after all these years....LOST...
Lost will always be one of my favourite shows. The ending may have been meh for me etc - I understand that some people wanted more questions answered but I don’t find it hard to just put it down to ‘the islands weird’. The questions and mystery’s were cool and I know a lot of people believe that’s what makes the show, but to me it’s about the mysterious *and* how the characters react to them. The CHARACTERS. Anyone who claims that it’s mysterious first, characters second needs to explain why every episode has half a dozen flashbacks fleshing out the characters. Characters like Sawyer, Jin, or Locke are highly interesting and it’s this angle which makes me love lost.
There were stupid parts throughout the show, and as you get toward the end, there are more stupid parts. There was a feeling that the writers were rushing to answer mysteries they had either elaborately set up or had built out without considering how specifically they would answer them. However, the core episodes such as premiers and finales always delivered, and the ending is no exception. The final season begins on a very strong premier, followed by three or four of the worst episodes of the season, but then after we choke down some pretty haphazard exposition, the rest of the season continues to get stronger and stronger and builds to an ending with immense emotional impact and a good enough level of mystery explanation. This story has always been about the characters struggling with their own identities and purposes. As Jacob explains, they, like himself, were all lost, and the island and its drama is the purpose they needed to find to heal themselves. There is no clear good guy or bad guy outside of the Smoke Monster being a pretty clear bad guy. Even Jacob cannot be labeled a pure good guy, but more like one of the losties, a broken person trying to do his best to heal himself. He is violent, he uses people, he lies, he shames, and he apparently sets conditions for people to die. Even when he gives Alpert the gift of immortality, it becomes more of a curse to Alpert than a gift. Jacob, the ultimate, archetypal losty, has to spend 2000 years healing himself, and is finally able to find peace when he passes on the island's guardianship to another. The real conflict in this show is man vs. himself. Jack is both good guy and bad guy of his story. Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Locke, Jin and Sun, all committed sins for which one could call them a villain or a bad actor, and all are struggling through this insane island mystery to make these things right above all else. That is what the final season and the finale are about, not about explaining what the Smoke Monster is, or why the bird says Hurley, or where the number sequence came from. This is why we end on this story of how they eventually find themselves again after going through this amazing adventure together, and how when they are woken up by the things that mattered to them the most in their previous lives, they find peace and are able to move on like Jacob had. Sorry, the Act III sucks because Locke isn't Locke anymore explanation is just shallow. Locke's purpose was to teach the losties that they have to trust in their destinies and open their hearts to the idea that they have a purpose - and he succeeded when he left the island and talked to Jack and then was murdered. From that point on, Jack believed. As Ben and Locke say throughout the series, if you convince Jack, the rest will follow.
Locke is beyond good or bad. He was the first who understood the island, that it was more than a simple crash, that they were there for a reason. He told Jack, but he didn't listen to him. Locke was one step forward Jack in that aspect. He was mistreated during all the show, during his life before the crash and after it. Then, when he died, the Man in black took his form, his aspect. But that wasn't him. That wasn't Locke. I understand that Lindelof and Abrams wanted to give O'Quinn a big role after he died but something isn't right about giving Locke the 'bad guy' role. Everytime someone refeared to the MIB as 'Locke' something inside me was in pain. It wasn't fare to John. In fact, on the final episode, when the MIB and Jack are with Desmond on the Heart of the Island, Jack tells him that. That he isn't Locke and that the only thing he's doing with his aspect is disrespecting his figure. He after tells him that John was right. It's sad that probably after the years the audience thinks of Locke as an evil figure, as the 'bad one'. Because he isn't. John Locke is a hell of a characther, my favorite with Jack, and probably the two most important ones. Put y'all some respect on John Locke's name.
The ending was okay but I just really loved the show. I know a lot of people don’t like the ending and I can’t it but it was just kind of changing ur perspective about what it really was
Sorry, can't agree with your comment on John Lock. John Lock is a true believer of the Island, because it heals him. He has been a strong fighter who does not accept being defeated by his misfortune. That is why he went to Australia in the first place. When he gets on his feet once again he starts looking for the answer to why miracles happen on the island. That's why he blew the hatch open. He is also very kind and understanding towards other people, helping them as a mysterious guide. This is so obvious that I don't even want to start naming the many examples to prove it.
right! Don't even get me started on the episode where he truly helped Charlie by giving him a choice...his metaphor of the caterpillar in the cocoon...absolutely beautiful
Locke was always the antagonist (his ultimate goal was the opposite of what everyone else wanted: he wanted to stay on the island and find out the truth, no matter the risk of people’s safety), but he wasn’t always the bad guy. Anyway, I think you explained perfectly why I didn’t care for season six as much. No more moral ambiguity. I had hoped that, when we saw the origin of the MIB and Jacob, we were getting to know that MIB wasn’t really “evil incarnate,” but then he died and his “ unfinished business” became evil incarnate, and his story arc ends with him being killed. So, no ambiguity there, I guess.
To further add to your theory of Locke being the villain of the show, in the episode Jack finds his father’s coffin, John tells him that when he saw the smoke monster what he saw was something beautiful, which is definitely not the reaction most people if not everyone would have.
You are so right about PART 3 of Lost. Straight to the point. It was disappointing to see so many sides reduced to just 2. And I did not like they made Jack weak (alcoholic) - like why? why?
Locke isn’t bad at all. Smoke monster inhabits locke’s dead body in the end. Both characters are necessary-the science keeps the people alive and grounded, but Jack’s rational nature makes him deficient in recognizing the spiritual nature of the island. Locke’s spiritual side makes him a sort of medium to the island for the people, but he’s deficient in the practical aspects.
I watched it every week for it's run so I had the full experience which helped. I will say, as one grows and watches it again, it makes more and more sense.
Man of science, man of faith does not refer to Jack and Locke's diffrences but to the internal struggle of Jack. The writers clarified this in the DVD's.
I think you’ve missed the whole point of LOST... you only see the black and white and dismiss the gray area that what LOST is really about. If Jack thought Locke was internally evil, he wouldn’t have been driven mad seeing him dead and wanting to go back.
There’s a fan edit of lost called “chronologically lost”. It’s all of lost in chronological order from Jacob birth to the church scene. It’s fascinating seeing it from this straight linear perspective no flash backs or flash forwards. Every scene is in order. And does split screen for multiple perspectives on the same scene eg crash of 815
I think Sawyer was the 'everyday'/realistic things(like crime) baddie, Locke was the overall/higher level(battle for the island) baddie...also, Sawyer was part of the 'will they or won't they' threesome with Kate & Jack
'Bad guy' is a pretty versatile concept. He's meant to be a foil to Jack as well, who represents a pro-active good for all attitude whereas Sawyer is a self-centered character. So he is a 'bad guy' but in a much smaller way. Locke and Jack are both doing what they think is right but Locke's becomes an unfortunate dark obsession.
I totally disagree with the analysis of Locke. Locke had arguably the most pathetic sad life of anyone before the island. He was denied his walkabout, but then he was given his legs back when he crashed on the island. Locke had no purpose back home, so he believed that the island was special. He opposes Jack because he believes they are there for a reason, and he ends up being right. Jack even wishes he could have apologized to John for not believing in him. Jon never represented evil. he represented faith.
@@cvijet22 i mean its technically lockes form but not his mind or anything like that just the looks are lockes, so yes it isnt really locke its a dead version of him.
The shows premise is good and evil is subjective depending on your experiences. The others are only called the others due to the fact that they have not been experienced by the main character. Ben says “we’re the good guys” later lapeno says “ those that go out of the way to say there the good guys are often the bad guys”. It’s shows you that no matter who is charge of the others they will follow there leaders model if there leader is like Charles witmore they will cause mass murder. Under Ben they were manipulative. Mother was the smoke monster originally
I just got done binging Lost and I don’t buy your Locke is the personification of evil in season 1 premise. Season 1 was all about skepticism versus faith and not good vs. evil. The whole Good vs Evil motif didn’t really come into play until The Man of Black showed up and then introduction of Jacob and his Brother.
I have to disagree with the jack good locke bad narrative.. although he did look like a villain to me in the beginning - since he seemed so unbothered by it all and reserved, once I got to know him (like past the first two episodes) i never saw him as anything but victim to the fate he had been given. he wasn't bad at all. when it comes to the conflict, to me it was about science versus faith. realism and belief. they do impersonate opposites to me - jack and locke - but it's not about simple good vs bad, neither of them are so black and white. Locke gets into dark stuff further into the story but he never acted evil to me, granted I had seen the show a long time ago for the first time and begun researching last week
Jack is the overbearing mother, looking out for all the kids and ensuring their survival but being a hardass and being the bad cop all the time. Locke is the free-wheeling, fun-loving, do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want drifter father, giving the kid all the fun and mystery and danger they could ever want, and to hell with your bedtime, kids!
The show really didnt know where it was going season to season but thats kinda just part of it. Btw i really dont like Locke. Early on makes Charlie throw away all his diacetylmorphine ("heroin") and then later they are looking for painkillers. Seemed kinda PSA-ish. Like when they needed the same shit for medical reasons, there is no stigma. Also i feel Jack is more of a savior complex than a hero.
I don't care what anybody says , the show sucked because it made no sense and the characters did not also. I see it as purgatory the whole time, don't care if anybody says different , this way everything makes sense.
Your analysis is way off. At most, they sometimes present Locke's intentions as ambiguous in season 1, but never anything approaching evil. Sawyer is more of an antagonist in the first season than Locke.
Hahaha just bingewatched all four parts. Well done man, everything you said is on point. You should have millions of views, this was such a good breakdown of a genius show. Best show out there -apart from that terrible last bloody season.
The show was pointless nonsense they had know idea what the was doing from the first episode watch the extras from the DVD from the first episode it's clear they had know idea what they was doing that's why it was ridiculous a load of fantasy nonsense that turned out not to be true what a surprise it was pathetic as a series
@@vdhshortguy I may of enjoyed it had I not watched the extras on the DVD once I seen the interview with the writers saying they had know idea what the show was going to be one show to the next it became obvious it was going to be shite and it was. it went from more bizarre fantasy nonsense to just farce they had to come up with more and more nonsense to try and save the show and it failed it was just a waste
@@Tom-uv7ry it was definitely a waste, but there was definitely a lot of potential for them to wrap things up better, even if they did shit the bed and fuck up the landing completely. Such a shame. Seasons 1-5 did have a lot of awesome moments in my opinion
The biggest problem was the "cos magic" explanation for integral plot points. Why are the numbers cursed and why do they align with names of candidates? Cos magic. How can Desmond withstand electromagnetic blasts? Cos magic. What is the smoke monster? A dude with powers, how did he get them? Cos magic. Why is the island special? Cos magic How can the lighthouse show you images of people and their lives? Cos magic.
You were apt in pointing out the strong contrast between Jack and Locke philosophically, but to label one good and the other evil is superficial and reductionist. Season 1 Jack's heroic drive stems from his compulsive need to fix everything around him. He's the first character with his head in the game helping survivors after the crash. But pay attention, Locke is the first other (named) character lending a hand. After Jack returns from the others' camp with Juliet and people question his loyalties, Locke defends him and reminds the group how much Jack has done for them. These are not the actions of an evil or purely self-interested character. By contrast, Jack is frequently the instigator of conflict toward Locke. An addendum: you claim Locke was "a total dick to Michael" without any example given. I find this baffling, given how clear to me the reverse is true. Michael struggles to bond with Walt because he told him he'll get him a new dog. Locke catches Vincent and lets Michael bring it to Walt, a kindness never reciprocated. Further Michael grows insecure when Walt sees Locke as a surrogate father figure and lashes out at both Walt and Locke, even threatening to kill John one time.
What was the deal with Walt? In the beginning he is shown reading a comic with a polar bear, and later a polar bear appears. Many call him special and the show shows him having supernatural abilities or something. But then nothing, just jacob and the candidates and the island etc. What was Walt's role/deal? was the dharma initiative having polar bears unrelated?
Walt stayed as the island's guardian after Hurley/Ben were done. Even though at the church (in The End), there was no "time" or "Now", Walt wasn't at the church... meaning he was still at the island.
people who say, 'it's not about the destination, it's about the journey,' or 'it's not about the answers, it's about the questions,' are people who never got to the destination, or figured out the answers, and are just telling themselves that to make themselves feel better, and telling everyone else that, to make themselves seem superior & holier-than-thou...if I didn't care about getting to the destination, I wouldn't have gone on the journey, if I didn't want answers, I wouldn't have asked the questions, and if I fail at those, I will not be satisfied with the 'journey' and 'asking the questions'
Interesting take man but as much as I dislike and think there is something psychologically wrong with Locke he is not representative of bad anymore than Jack is representative of good. They’re both very gray characters and imo they represent faith vs science. Considering that we know the island is magical how can we categorize Locke in the wrong?
I only watched the show recently, I finished the last episode tonight actually. And I did think there was something more to Locke, maybe something sinister, but only for the first few episodes of season 1.
sOMETHING THAT BOTHERS ME IS WE THE AUDIENCE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KIND IF LIVES ALL THE SURVIVING CHARACTERS HAD After Jack died..What happened to everyoneleft on the Island ? How did Hugo & Ben deal with everything? Kate, Sawyer & Claire ??
I. Totally. Love this. !!! I needed this. I watched LOST from the original airing and wasted years of my life with it until the finale. Which sucked. I feel the finale was a cop out for a show the creators made bigger than any finale can ever be. All in the name of Tati bf a and money- which I did buy the series and the (while the show was airing merchandise.) I subscribed. I’m on team Disappointment Finale. I can’t stand the aspect that other CZcamsrs bash anyone who doesn’t understand or dig the finale.
Not a fan of your Analysis.. it's more like ur opinions on why you weren't smart enough to get the ending?? Sayid and Claire going crazy was the MiB influencing them to do his will.. Same happened with the French team with Rousseau's baby daddy.. it was called 'the sickness'
Well, my biggest problem with what I've seen through 2.5 videos - I've stopped watching - is that there's really no analysis. To create these videos and call them 'reflections' would be fine, but 'analysis' this is not.
I was really into the series until a little while after they open the trap door. Then it started to drone on and became less interesting as more weird shit happened. I will admit that I didn't finish the series, so I'm not sure how it ended. Just couldn't hold my interest
Lost's ending season and finale was perfect and explained everything perfectly. You really need to go rewatch the last season and stop your mental hangups about it and see it clearly because clearly you aren't a fan of the last season and don't look into it further. Your bias is disgusting because it was so perfectly all laid out. The problem people have with season 6 and it's "lack of mystery" is that every question was answered they just didn't like the answers. Really think about this hard what could they have done differently? because I have thought about this long and hard they had no other path to end the show as perfect, this was the best and only outcome. Everything else would be rejected and hated even more. Imagine if they had played it safe the last season? that's how you get Game of Thrones dumpster fire final 2 seasons. By attempting to play it safe and overthinking it all until you boil your story down to unimagined mush. Great video until the last 2 minutes you went off the rails mate. I seriously hope you get to rewatch it in a clearer head. It's been 5 years now.
"Why is Sayid suddenly a bad guy?" has to be one of the most ridiculous thing I've heard, throughout the whole show my only question concerning Sayid was the opposite "How is this guy a good guy?" Dude has more blood on his hands than 95% of the cast for sure, he has only one humanizing character trait which is his love for Nadia and for this one thing he is ready to betray and kill just about anybody. And that was already shown before she died so no wonder after she did he became a full on bad guy. And the Sawyer thing in Season 1 is not an isolated incident, it is clearly shown that repeatedly through his life and after this incident he will always look for excuses to take on violent actions against someone and that despite his justifications those acts are clearly motivated by a deeper lust for blood. AND FFS THE GUY SHOT A KID, HE TOOK A GUN AND SHOT A KID!!!! it was Ben Linus but still...
i REALLLY don't understand why people didn't like how it ended.. think most people's ego got butthurt b/c their own personal theory didn't happen.. stupid people overthinking shit.. Game of Thrones ended like shit.. I really enjoyed the last season of Lost with Richard and Jacob's back story.
Season 6 was an insult to LOST, and season 5 was the setup for that insult. Season 5 started that bullshit story arc of MIB/Jacob, I hate Jacob and everything about it, because with Jacob, the writers erased entire explanations and stories for it, they reduced some beautifully complicated stuff into a stupid story of some annoying character with supernatural powers. So, instead of making the Oceanic 815 a result of not putting the numbers in time by Desmond, it is now because that idiot Jacob touched them and wanted them to come to the island, along with other innocent people who died during the crash and after it. I'm 100000% sure that the writers didn't know where they were going so they kept making it up and coming up with some shitty stuff over the time. The funny thing is, they even ignored some ideas they were doing, as if they never happened, I'm sure some scenes and shots were just made like that with no clear intentions of what are they going to do with them. "Making the episode 3 end with an eerie panning shot of John Locke at the beach looking in a creepy evil way to the other survivors with an eerie music, seems exciting, let's make it! For what reason? We don't know yet, let's put it there and come up with something later!" I started worrying about Lost in Season 5 because at that point it went in a wrong path, it started a stupid plot about them coming back to the island with motivations that don't make sense, they even made them refusing to go back until the last minute, when they changed their minds for some stupid nonsensical reasons, why? Because the writers wanted them to do that. How? With lazy writing. In that season, started the bullshit of Jacob and his brother. Season 6 was the official f*ck you to all of us, and to the show's glory days. No plot whatsoever, the characters spent 6 episodes in a stupid temple doing nothing. Then they started going along and wandering in the island with no idea what are they doing, sometimes splitting and swapping sides back and forth. Also the stupid bullshit of bringing people back from death, like Sayid, and that corny shit about darkness touching his heart. All that nonsensical stupid stuff of supernatural lazy rules, pisses me off till now. All Jacob-related stuff. His ashes making him able to appear even when his dead. F*ck that!!!! Lost was at the beginning challenging us to think, analyze and try to figure out everything, but in the end it wanted us to shut our minds completely and accept every bullshit that they throw to us. To be fair they started that from Season 4 when they made Hurley see dead people, and Miles communicate with dead people. But at least season 4 had its great moments.
Like I totally agree with you it was all about the Dharma Initiative at first but in the end it was all about a stupid d*ch called Jacob who has NOTHING to do with the series. Locke was an important character and not a bad guy and in some ways Jack wasn't all good.
Sir Greedy religion had been the whole way through it. Christian Shepherd can be interpreted as Jesus, he leads Jack to water, he tells Locke how to leave the island. He opens the doors to after life. Jack was always going to be the leader, hence Jack Shepherd. Both Charlie and Eko were religious, Desmond was a monk. Jacob is essential a pseudo-God.
@@Jmeg1706 i know all that, you would have to be blind to not see it, but thats all open to interpretation. an ending that confirms an afterlife in the show isn't.
@@sirgreedy88 I think you've always known there was some sort of afterlife there, they said it at multiple times throughout season 6 and other seasons. They hinted at it when Naomi said they were all dead, again, with Hurley and Miles being able to speak to the dead. It's always been there
I don’t think there is any one correct analysis of this show. Like literary criticism, it’s how the individual sees it really. It’s all subjective. I don’t try analysing Lost (I’m binge watching it again) I just enjoy it for the damn good drama that it is with all the mysteries, conflicts and beautiful scenery. My favourite character is Hugo (Hurley) And my least favourite is Claire. All she seems to do is wander around holding the baby.
Just binge watched this one.....such a shame, it was a great show but the whole Jacob/devil stuff was just so stupid and unnecessary. And smoke monsters aka Locke - someone needs a meds check I think. That was just too crazy. It would have been a great series without all of that. You could still have all the mystery/drama etc without getting stupid.
I feel like the whole “they didn’t know where they were going” argument doesn’t make sense. Because in the first season they find jacob’s brother and his mother’s bodies with the black and white stone. Which means they had planned for that entire storyline since the beginning.
I have to disagree with your assessment on the final season being simply black and white. Jacob and the MIB weren't straight black and white characters, like at all. Additionaly there were multiple sides to the conflict but they both were systemically eliminated/merged into 2 main sides. Even within both camps there was a lot of internal conflict and indecision. People wavered between the 2 sides pretty frequently (look at Hugo for example), as there wasn't a straight idea of who was right and who was wrong. After Locke blew up the sub, we knew for sure he couldn't be trusted, but that was with 3 episodes left in the entire show where we had reached the climax of the series.
what so you can't criticize something if you can't do better, I hope you never watch sports Jacob & MiB was so stupid it ruined the show, they should have avoided going back further than the Dharma initiative
I thought this was a good show until it got way to convoluted and opened so many storylines, never closing anything.. Also it was a little un believable with someone shafting the others so many times, apologizing, and the others then accepting him only to,get screwed over again and again..l gave up..
The thing that ruined Lost was the writer's strike. Once they used scabs to write for the show, it all went to shit and when the strike was over, they tried their best to salvage what they could, but the damage was already done.
Already in season 2 the series was starting going down hill. J.J shouldnt have left bro, when he left it became Sci-Fi theatre. His philosophy was to create something magical, but always have a scientific explanation. Lindelof, seems more interrested in raising the stakes by forcing «magic» into everything to justify the years of mysteries with no planned answers, and hoping this magic facade will cover up all The questionable shit. This is Lindelofs response when people pointed out that the across The river ending is a plothole: «maybe the fabric was magic, a lot of theories here» good god
I feel like you’re not acknowledging how terrible Sawyer’s character was. It might have been the actor’s fault but almost every scene he’s in is cringe af. And as the show went on, the more prominent his role was. I think focusing on him was a major contributing factor to the decline of this once great show.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I knew I wasted my time when he said that "Locke isn't Locke" then immediately points out the fact that yeah, hes the smoke monster in season 6, as if thats a bad thing... Like seriously, where is the problem? This guy isn't saying anything. Well, anything besides misinterpreting basic themes...
Locke wasn't evil. The evil wasn't locke. Evil only took Locke's form.
I haven't watched the entirety of this video. Does this video claim that it was Locke himself in the final season etc?
If you Start watchin , you can‘t stop it....Best Series i‘ve ever seen
I was extremely late to the series. Having watched it for the first time at the start of lockdown. And I would genuinely put it up there in my top 5 series. I was hooked and sweated the entire endeavour In around a week
I stopped watching when Kate and Sawyer were in a cage. They dragged that shit out. Best episode: the constant. And that time travel shit was bollocks.
That's 17 episodes a day. That's insane, and pretty cool at the same time.
Kate and Sawyer were in a cage in season 3. The Constant was in season 4, which means you kept watching...
I loved the show, honestly the ending didn't bother me. I was never expecting all the answers. For me I took greater pleasure in reading all the theories online and other people's views.
i spent 10 years not watching this so i wouldnt be stressed out. i spent a whole week and a half binging on this... glad i waited.
I don't buy your "Jack good/Locke bad" premise for Season 1. At all. I just rewatched the whole show for the 3rd or 4th time and I have never come away with that impression, or even thought that was the desired intent of the show creators. No, Jack and Locke are shown as equally compelling characters with widely differing philosophies, but I think it's overly reductive to render their disagreement as being the actual depiction of light vs. dark. If anything, Locke to me seems way more light than Jack, who despite his abilities and intentions is highly prone to agitation and conflict.
how say Soyer in 5 season:Jack never think, he just do it
I agree it's reductive, but it's clear the creators wanted Locke to seem off and possibly bad. Especially in the first few episodes. The overall that makes his analysis reductive is that no one is all good or bad. That's why Locke being set up as some ominous person in the first season works and almost needs to be reductive.
Its Science (Jack) vs Faith/Belief (John)
Yeah exactly, Locke was the one who believed in the Island, believed in his destiny. He helped Charlie get off drugs, helped Walt before Michael stepped up as a father. He was always a good guy.
@@maxamsil6325 and not just faith/belief, but the consequences of following blind faith and being tested for the perseverance of character. I don’t think John is evil, he just had bad things done to him and has to reflect on his intentions of following that faith
I have seen Lost as an entire series 7 times now. I love it. It’s definitely my favorite show and I’m glad I ran into this.
I cant stop watching it. Just finished rewatching it again. Starting all over today lol
Just finished my 7th also lol
I disagree, Locke wasn't bad. He just had finally found his purpose.
Yeah, only when MiB took over he was actually bad, before that point he was mainly a pushing ball by fate.
He was much more the main character in my experience and infinitely more interesting. Jack is very concrete-bound and excellently fulfills the purpose he must. Locke, however is constantly pushing his limits, exceeding what we think possible, and forcefully getting to the truth of things.
It seems like some strange character defamation to revive Locke's face on the final villain, I think the MIB actor had enough clout to carry it to completetion. The writers put themselves in a plot trap with the time travel and shifted faster than even they could anticipate.
No he wasn't bad, but the first season definitely tried to make you assume he's not good. That was the beauty to the evolution of his character thorough out the series. Our perception of him.
I was drawn to him & was moved to tears when his father betrayed him. That was a very brave and selfless act- to give someone a kidney. Out of all the characters, I felt he had suffered the most. He was wise & helped people with his insight.
Lost is my favorite show as well, and I was perfectly content with the ending.
Me too. I thought it was perfect actually. There wasnt much more they could've done. Man that last episode was so emotional. Brilliant series with brilliant writing and even more brilliant acting.
same!
I love it too, but, of course, it could have been EVEN better.
My favorite show of all time
This guy's good. This guy is the best weve got here
Sayid: am I a joke to you?
i would split the series like this: season 1-3 (character driven through flash backs) season 4-5(plot and character driven through flash forwards and flashbacks ), season 6 (plot driven through after life scenes )
I'm watching season 1 right now, and although Locke comes across as mysterious and villainous to the other characters, we the audience are shown from the beginning that he's a desperate man looking for a purpose. It's not about good vs evil, it's about faith vs science. The final season is not Jack vs Locke, it's Locke vs the smoke monster... Jack has become a man of faith like Locke and the smoke monster just looks like Locke.
I enjoy ALL the different opinions on what LOST was all about. Bottom line is I loved watching the show. I enjoy all the different opinions on what it was all about. For me it was Jack and Kate. I became Jack Shepherd and went through the ups and downs of his love for Kate. All the rest was wonderful, too; nevertheless, it was just icing for the cake. That was the true genius of LOST. It had different meaning for different people. Never watched a show that affected me so...I'm not alone...people still writing about it after all these years....LOST...
I really love your lost videos. I Just watched the whole show last month and it's already my favourite show of all time. Thanks for your nice video
Cuts between Locke walking in the woods and being in a wheelchair.
Everyone who hasn’t watched the show: *hol up*
Lost will always be one of my favourite shows. The ending may have been meh for me etc - I understand that some people wanted more questions answered but I don’t find it hard to just put it down to ‘the islands weird’.
The questions and mystery’s were cool and I know a lot of people believe that’s what makes the show, but to me it’s about the mysterious *and* how the characters react to them.
The CHARACTERS. Anyone who claims that it’s mysterious first, characters second needs to explain why every episode has half a dozen flashbacks fleshing out the characters. Characters like Sawyer, Jin, or Locke are highly interesting and it’s this angle which makes me love lost.
There were stupid parts throughout the show, and as you get toward the end, there are more stupid parts. There was a feeling that the writers were rushing to answer mysteries they had either elaborately set up or had built out without considering how specifically they would answer them. However, the core episodes such as premiers and finales always delivered, and the ending is no exception. The final season begins on a very strong premier, followed by three or four of the worst episodes of the season, but then after we choke down some pretty haphazard exposition, the rest of the season continues to get stronger and stronger and builds to an ending with immense emotional impact and a good enough level of mystery explanation. This story has always been about the characters struggling with their own identities and purposes. As Jacob explains, they, like himself, were all lost, and the island and its drama is the purpose they needed to find to heal themselves. There is no clear good guy or bad guy outside of the Smoke Monster being a pretty clear bad guy. Even Jacob cannot be labeled a pure good guy, but more like one of the losties, a broken person trying to do his best to heal himself. He is violent, he uses people, he lies, he shames, and he apparently sets conditions for people to die. Even when he gives Alpert the gift of immortality, it becomes more of a curse to Alpert than a gift. Jacob, the ultimate, archetypal losty, has to spend 2000 years healing himself, and is finally able to find peace when he passes on the island's guardianship to another. The real conflict in this show is man vs. himself. Jack is both good guy and bad guy of his story. Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Locke, Jin and Sun, all committed sins for which one could call them a villain or a bad actor, and all are struggling through this insane island mystery to make these things right above all else. That is what the final season and the finale are about, not about explaining what the Smoke Monster is, or why the bird says Hurley, or where the number sequence came from. This is why we end on this story of how they eventually find themselves again after going through this amazing adventure together, and how when they are woken up by the things that mattered to them the most in their previous lives, they find peace and are able to move on like Jacob had. Sorry, the Act III sucks because Locke isn't Locke anymore explanation is just shallow. Locke's purpose was to teach the losties that they have to trust in their destinies and open their hearts to the idea that they have a purpose - and he succeeded when he left the island and talked to Jack and then was murdered. From that point on, Jack believed. As Ben and Locke say throughout the series, if you convince Jack, the rest will follow.
Locke was also trying to bring some of the survivors back on the Island for the remaining survivors left until Ben killed him.
Locke is beyond good or bad. He was the first who understood the island, that it was more than a simple crash, that they were there for a reason. He told Jack, but he didn't listen to him. Locke was one step forward Jack in that aspect. He was mistreated during all the show, during his life before the crash and after it. Then, when he died, the Man in black took his form, his aspect. But that wasn't him. That wasn't Locke. I understand that Lindelof and Abrams wanted to give O'Quinn a big role after he died but something isn't right about giving Locke the 'bad guy' role. Everytime someone refeared to the MIB as 'Locke' something inside me was in pain. It wasn't fare to John. In fact, on the final episode, when the MIB and Jack are with Desmond on the Heart of the Island, Jack tells him that. That he isn't Locke and that the only thing he's doing with his aspect is disrespecting his figure. He after tells him that John was right. It's sad that probably after the years the audience thinks of Locke as an evil figure, as the 'bad one'. Because he isn't. John Locke is a hell of a characther, my favorite with Jack, and probably the two most important ones. Put y'all some respect on John Locke's name.
The show leaves you feeling exactly the name of the show 'LOST'
The ending was okay but I just really loved the show. I know a lot of people don’t like the ending and I can’t it but it was just kind of changing ur perspective about what it really was
Sorry, can't agree with your comment on John Lock.
John Lock is a true believer of the Island, because it heals him.
He has been a strong fighter who does not accept being defeated by his misfortune. That is why he went to Australia in the first place. When he gets on his feet once again he starts looking for the answer to why miracles happen on the island. That's why he blew the hatch open.
He is also very kind and understanding towards other people, helping them as a mysterious guide. This is so obvious that I don't even want to start naming the many examples to prove it.
right! Don't even get me started on the episode where he truly helped Charlie by giving him a choice...his metaphor of the caterpillar in the cocoon...absolutely beautiful
Yes, but the creators initially painted him a bit ominous for a reason. To show what seems to be clear good and bad, then show u it's not that simple.
Locke was always the antagonist (his ultimate goal was the opposite of what everyone else wanted: he wanted to stay on the island and find out the truth, no matter the risk of people’s safety), but he wasn’t always the bad guy. Anyway, I think you explained perfectly why I didn’t care for season six as much. No more moral ambiguity. I had hoped that, when we saw the origin of the MIB and Jacob, we were getting to know that MIB wasn’t really “evil incarnate,” but then he died and his “ unfinished business” became evil incarnate, and his story arc ends with him being killed. So, no ambiguity there, I guess.
I like your explanation about Locke. that's spot on :)
First of all LOST ending was PERFECT, second of all thanks for a video
I remember watching this sow Weds night when I was a kid.
I was so hype! Loved this show
Locke wasn't the bad guy, ben was but I guess it's everyone their own opinions.
Bens a very flawed good guy... good guy for the island but bad in the sense you probably mean it
@@michellemears8227 Yh.
@@michellemears8227 Ben was only "good" for the Island because in return he gets power over other people.
Ben was only the bad guy for season 3. In seasons 4 and 5 he was basically anti hero/anti villain and in S6 he was a good guy
Benjamin m And season 2.
To further add to your theory of Locke being the villain of the show, in the episode Jack finds his father’s coffin, John tells him that when he saw the smoke monster what he saw was something beautiful, which is definitely not the reaction most people if not everyone would have.
I miss watching this show Weds nights on ABC as a kid!
You are so right about PART 3 of Lost. Straight to the point. It was disappointing to see so many sides reduced to just 2. And I did not like they made Jack weak (alcoholic) - like why? why?
Locke isn’t bad at all. Smoke monster inhabits locke’s dead body in the end. Both characters are necessary-the science keeps the people alive and grounded, but Jack’s rational nature makes him deficient in recognizing the spiritual nature of the island. Locke’s spiritual side makes him a sort of medium to the island for the people, but he’s deficient in the practical aspects.
I didn't hate the ending. I admit I was confused by it though.
Me too
I watched it every week for it's run so I had the full experience which helped. I will say, as one grows and watches it again, it makes more and more sense.
@@desiree6345 I didn't understand it at first but now I love it :D
Best explanation, the writers were
LOST!
Man of science, man of faith does not refer to Jack and Locke's diffrences but to the internal struggle of Jack. The writers clarified this in the DVD's.
Yeah, but the title was still a reference to the season 1 finale.
So both can be applied.
No way. The show was clearly referring to Jack and Locke.
Ive been binge watching this show during quarantine, im obsessed
I think you’ve missed the whole point of LOST... you only see the black and white and dismiss the gray area that what LOST is really about. If Jack thought Locke was internally evil, he wouldn’t have been driven mad seeing him dead and wanting to go back.
There’s a fan edit of lost called “chronologically lost”.
It’s all of lost in chronological order from Jacob birth to the church scene.
It’s fascinating seeing it from this straight linear perspective no flash backs or flash forwards. Every scene is in order. And does split screen for multiple perspectives on the same scene eg crash of 815
I think the whole point of the show is that nobody is all good or all bad. With Hurley and Jack being the extremely rare exceptions,
Facts, when you think of all the characthers, none of them are 100% good. All of them did bad things. And Jack and Hugo are the exceptions.
Nah I feel like Sawyer was meant to be the bad guy
Maybe at first, but he did some good things too.
I think Sawyer was the 'everyday'/realistic things(like crime) baddie, Locke was the overall/higher level(battle for the island) baddie...also, Sawyer was part of the 'will they or won't they' threesome with Kate & Jack
'Bad guy' is a pretty versatile concept. He's meant to be a foil to Jack as well, who represents a pro-active good for all attitude whereas Sawyer is a self-centered character. So he is a 'bad guy' but in a much smaller way.
Locke and Jack are both doing what they think is right but Locke's becomes an unfortunate dark obsession.
i ended up loving his character. Being a cop fits him nicely
Nah, too cute
I totally disagree with the analysis of Locke. Locke had arguably the most pathetic sad life of anyone before the island. He was denied his walkabout, but then he was given his legs back when he crashed on the island. Locke had no purpose back home, so he believed that the island was special. He opposes Jack because he believes they are there for a reason, and he ends up being right. Jack even wishes he could have apologized to John for not believing in him. Jon never represented evil. he represented faith.
i always saw Lock as the Good Guy and Jack/James more of the Bad Guys, to be honest... but that's probably just me
Lock was between good and bad i think
@@michellemears8227 Lock is a decent kind man. Despite everything he still wants to forgive his farther.
How? Jack was a hero most of the time until S4, all he did was trying to help
Good theory. I think that it started as you're either one or the other and we began to see that's not the case. None were all good or all bad.
8:10 its not a guy that looms like locke, it is locke just a dead version of him because the MiB can take the form of the dead
So then isn't it the MiB and not Locke?
@@cvijet22 basically yes, its just the MiB taking the form of someone he knows people will listen to, he cant go around all day as the smoke.
@@sage6553 exactly. So when you say it is just locke... It's not. It's MiB
@@cvijet22 i mean its technically lockes form but not his mind or anything like that just the looks are lockes, so yes it isnt really locke its a dead version of him.
@@cvijet22 its the mib as locke
The shows premise is good and evil is subjective depending on your experiences. The others are only called the others due to the fact that they have not been experienced by the main character. Ben says “we’re the good guys” later lapeno says “ those that go out of the way to say there the good guys are often the bad guys”. It’s shows you that no matter who is charge of the others they will follow there leaders model if there leader is like Charles witmore they will cause mass murder. Under Ben they were manipulative. Mother was the smoke monster originally
I just got done binging Lost and I don’t buy your Locke is the personification of evil in season 1 premise. Season 1 was all about skepticism versus faith and not good vs. evil. The whole Good vs Evil motif didn’t really come into play until The Man of Black showed up and then introduction of Jacob and his Brother.
I have to disagree with the jack good locke bad narrative.. although he did look like a villain to me in the beginning - since he seemed so unbothered by it all and reserved, once I got to know him (like past the first two episodes) i never saw him as anything but victim to the fate he had been given. he wasn't bad at all. when it comes to the conflict, to me it was about science versus faith. realism and belief. they do impersonate opposites to me - jack and locke - but it's not about simple good vs bad, neither of them are so black and white. Locke gets into dark stuff further into the story but he never acted evil to me, granted I had seen the show a long time ago for the first time and begun researching last week
i so totally agree...... the show made me into a emotional junkie and when it came time to get that last great high... it all all baking soda
I think the finale was brilliant. The reason for the haters is the suggestions of "religion" or spirituality is abhorrent to so many these days..
Jack was always the lead of the ensemble. He is the first person we see in the premiere episode, and he is alone at the time.
Jack is the overbearing mother, looking out for all the kids and ensuring their survival but being a hardass and being the bad cop all the time.
Locke is the free-wheeling, fun-loving, do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want drifter father, giving the kid all the fun and mystery and danger they could ever want, and to hell with your bedtime, kids!
The show really didnt know where it was going season to season but thats kinda just part of it. Btw i really dont like Locke. Early on makes Charlie throw away all his diacetylmorphine ("heroin") and then later they are looking for painkillers. Seemed kinda PSA-ish. Like when they needed the same shit for medical reasons, there is no stigma. Also i feel Jack is more of a savior complex than a hero.
What sticks with me is how often people got shot but dont die.
I envy the person who watches lost for the first time.
Stop envying me
I don't care what anybody says , the show sucked because it made no sense and the characters did not also. I see it as purgatory the whole time, don't care if anybody says different , this way everything makes sense.
Your analysis is way off. At most, they sometimes present Locke's intentions as ambiguous in season 1, but never anything approaching evil. Sawyer is more of an antagonist in the first season than Locke.
Jacob was the let down. The MIB was more compelling than him. Jacob was just a mama’s boy with a god complex
Hahaha just bingewatched all four parts. Well done man, everything you said is on point. You should have millions of views, this was such a good breakdown of a genius show. Best show out there -apart from that terrible last bloody season.
The show was pointless nonsense they had know idea what the was doing from the first episode watch the extras from the DVD from the first episode it's clear they had know idea what they was doing that's why it was ridiculous a load of fantasy nonsense that turned out not to be true what a surprise it was pathetic as a series
@@Tom-uv7ry just the ending sucked, I thoroughly enjoyed everything until season 6.
@@vdhshortguy I may of enjoyed it had I not watched the extras on the DVD once I seen the interview with the writers saying they had know idea what the show was going to be one show to the next it became obvious it was going to be shite and it was.
it went from more bizarre fantasy nonsense to just farce they had to come up with more and more nonsense to try and save the show and it failed it was just a waste
@@Tom-uv7ry it was definitely a waste, but there was definitely a lot of potential for them to wrap things up better, even if they did shit the bed and fuck up the landing completely. Such a shame. Seasons 1-5 did have a lot of awesome moments in my opinion
I finally watched the last episode last night. It was... alright
The biggest problem was the "cos magic" explanation for integral plot points.
Why are the numbers cursed and why do they align with names of candidates? Cos magic.
How can Desmond withstand electromagnetic blasts? Cos magic.
What is the smoke monster? A dude with powers, how did he get them? Cos magic.
Why is the island special? Cos magic
How can the lighthouse show you images of people and their lives? Cos magic.
You were apt in pointing out the strong contrast between Jack and Locke philosophically, but to label one good and the other evil is superficial and reductionist.
Season 1 Jack's heroic drive stems from his compulsive need to fix everything around him. He's the first character with his head in the game helping survivors after the crash. But pay attention, Locke is the first other (named) character lending a hand. After Jack returns from the others' camp with Juliet and people question his loyalties, Locke defends him and reminds the group how much Jack has done for them. These are not the actions of an evil or purely self-interested character. By contrast, Jack is frequently the instigator of conflict toward Locke.
An addendum: you claim Locke was "a total dick to Michael" without any example given. I find this baffling, given how clear to me the reverse is true. Michael struggles to bond with Walt because he told him he'll get him a new dog. Locke catches Vincent and lets Michael bring it to Walt, a kindness never reciprocated. Further Michael grows insecure when Walt sees Locke as a surrogate father figure and lashes out at both Walt and Locke, even threatening to kill John one time.
What was the deal with Walt? In the beginning he is shown reading a comic with a polar bear, and later a polar bear appears. Many call him special and the show shows him having supernatural abilities or something. But then nothing, just jacob and the candidates and the island etc. What was Walt's role/deal? was the dharma initiative having polar bears unrelated?
Walt stayed as the island's guardian after Hurley/Ben were done. Even though at the church (in The End), there was no "time" or "Now", Walt wasn't at the church... meaning he was still at the island.
I like the ending
people who say, 'it's not about the destination, it's about the journey,' or 'it's not about the answers, it's about the questions,' are people who never got to the destination, or figured out the answers, and are just telling themselves that to make themselves feel better, and telling everyone else that, to make themselves seem superior & holier-than-thou...if I didn't care about getting to the destination, I wouldn't have gone on the journey, if I didn't want answers, I wouldn't have asked the questions, and if I fail at those, I will not be satisfied with the 'journey' and 'asking the questions'
That was really interesting. Thank you.
i just didnt care what happened after a certain point probably when jACK SAID WE HAVE TO GO BACK.
I loved LOST, I loved it!!!❤
Interesting take man but as much as I dislike and think there is something psychologically wrong with Locke he is not representative of bad anymore than Jack is representative of good. They’re both very gray characters and imo they represent faith vs science. Considering that we know the island is magical how can we categorize Locke in the wrong?
I only watched the show recently, I finished the last episode tonight actually. And I did think there was something more to Locke, maybe something sinister, but only for the first few episodes of season 1.
Good work
wow amazing analysis!!!
sOMETHING THAT BOTHERS ME IS WE THE AUDIENCE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KIND IF LIVES ALL THE SURVIVING CHARACTERS HAD After Jack died..What happened to everyoneleft on the Island ? How did Hugo & Ben deal with everything? Kate, Sawyer & Claire ??
Why does that bother you? They lived happily ever after.
I. Totally. Love this. !!! I needed this. I watched LOST from the original airing and wasted years of my life with it until the finale. Which sucked. I feel the finale was a cop out for a show the creators made bigger than any finale can ever be. All in the name of Tati bf a and money- which I did buy the series and the (while the show was airing merchandise.) I subscribed. I’m on team Disappointment Finale. I can’t stand the aspect that other CZcamsrs bash anyone who doesn’t understand or dig the finale.
Not a fan of your Analysis.. it's more like ur opinions on why you weren't smart enough to get the ending?? Sayid and Claire going crazy was the MiB influencing them to do his will.. Same happened with the French team with Rousseau's baby daddy.. it was called 'the sickness'
Agree
Well, my biggest problem with what I've seen through 2.5 videos - I've stopped watching - is that there's really no analysis. To create these videos and call them 'reflections' would be fine, but 'analysis' this is not.
It DOES have some bad writing moments tho genuinely
I was really into the series until a little while after they open the trap door. Then it started to drone on and became less interesting as more weird shit happened. I will admit that I didn't finish the series, so I'm not sure how it ended. Just couldn't hold my interest
Lost's ending season and finale was perfect and explained everything perfectly. You really need to go rewatch the last season and stop your mental hangups about it and see it clearly because clearly you aren't a fan of the last season and don't look into it further. Your bias is disgusting because it was so perfectly all laid out. The problem people have with season 6 and it's "lack of mystery" is that every question was answered they just didn't like the answers. Really think about this hard what could they have done differently? because I have thought about this long and hard they had no other path to end the show as perfect, this was the best and only outcome. Everything else would be rejected and hated even more. Imagine if they had played it safe the last season? that's how you get Game of Thrones dumpster fire final 2 seasons. By attempting to play it safe and overthinking it all until you boil your story down to unimagined mush. Great video until the last 2 minutes you went off the rails mate. I seriously hope you get to rewatch it in a clearer head. It's been 5 years now.
even the analysis of this damn show are cliffhangers... DOH!
Locke was basically Job.
"Why is Sayid suddenly a bad guy?" has to be one of the most ridiculous thing I've heard, throughout the whole show my only question concerning Sayid was the opposite "How is this guy a good guy?"
Dude has more blood on his hands than 95% of the cast for sure, he has only one humanizing character trait which is his love for Nadia and for this one thing he is ready to betray and kill just about anybody. And that was already shown before she died so no wonder after she did he became a full on bad guy.
And the Sawyer thing in Season 1 is not an isolated incident, it is clearly shown that repeatedly through his life and after this incident he will always look for excuses to take on violent actions against someone and that despite his justifications those acts are clearly motivated by a deeper lust for blood.
AND FFS THE GUY SHOT A KID, HE TOOK A GUN AND SHOT A KID!!!! it was Ben Linus but still...
i REALLLY don't understand why people didn't like how it ended.. think most people's ego got butthurt b/c their own personal theory didn't happen.. stupid people overthinking shit.. Game of Thrones ended like shit.. I really enjoyed the last season of Lost with Richard and Jacob's back story.
Season 6 was an insult to LOST, and season 5 was the setup for that insult.
Season 5 started that bullshit story arc of MIB/Jacob, I hate Jacob and everything about it, because with Jacob, the writers erased entire explanations and stories for it, they reduced some beautifully complicated stuff into a stupid story of some annoying character with supernatural powers. So, instead of making the Oceanic 815 a result of not putting the numbers in time by Desmond, it is now because that idiot Jacob touched them and wanted them to come to the island, along with other innocent people who died during the crash and after it.
I'm 100000% sure that the writers didn't know where they were going so they kept making it up and coming up with some shitty stuff over the time.
The funny thing is, they even ignored some ideas they were doing, as if they never happened, I'm sure some scenes and shots were just made like that with no clear intentions of what are they going to do with them. "Making the episode 3 end with an eerie panning shot of John Locke at the beach looking in a creepy evil way to the other survivors with an eerie music, seems exciting, let's make it! For what reason? We don't know yet, let's put it there and come up with something later!"
I started worrying about Lost in Season 5 because at that point it went in a wrong path, it started a stupid plot about them coming back to the island with motivations that don't make sense, they even made them refusing to go back until the last minute, when they changed their minds for some stupid nonsensical reasons, why? Because the writers wanted them to do that. How? With lazy writing.
In that season, started the bullshit of Jacob and his brother.
Season 6 was the official f*ck you to all of us, and to the show's glory days.
No plot whatsoever, the characters spent 6 episodes in a stupid temple doing nothing. Then they started going along and wandering in the island with no idea what are they doing, sometimes splitting and swapping sides back and forth.
Also the stupid bullshit of bringing people back from death, like Sayid, and that corny shit about darkness touching his heart. All that nonsensical stupid stuff of supernatural lazy rules, pisses me off till now. All Jacob-related stuff. His ashes making him able to appear even when his dead. F*ck that!!!!
Lost was at the beginning challenging us to think, analyze and try to figure out everything, but in the end it wanted us to shut our minds completely and accept every bullshit that they throw to us. To be fair they started that from Season 4 when they made Hurley see dead people, and Miles communicate with dead people. But at least season 4 had its great moments.
Like I totally agree with you it was all about the Dharma Initiative at first but in the end it was all about a stupid d*ch called Jacob who has NOTHING to do with the series. Locke was an important character and not a bad guy and in some ways Jack wasn't all good.
reason i hated it is because it ended with an afterlife. It felt like they just shoved religion into the end.
Sir Greedy religion had been the whole way through it. Christian Shepherd can be interpreted as Jesus, he leads Jack to water, he tells Locke how to leave the island. He opens the doors to after life. Jack was always going to be the leader, hence Jack Shepherd. Both Charlie and Eko were religious, Desmond was a monk. Jacob is essential a pseudo-God.
@@Jmeg1706 i know all that, you would have to be blind to not see it, but thats all open to interpretation. an ending that confirms an afterlife in the show isn't.
@@sirgreedy88 I think you've always known there was some sort of afterlife there, they said it at multiple times throughout season 6 and other seasons. They hinted at it when Naomi said they were all dead, again, with Hurley and Miles being able to speak to the dead. It's always been there
@@Jmeg1706 true, i never saw the idea of ghosts existing as there being an afterlife like heaven where everybody goes to.
I don’t think there is any one correct analysis of this show. Like literary criticism, it’s how the individual sees it really. It’s all subjective. I don’t try analysing Lost (I’m binge watching it again) I just enjoy it for the damn good drama that it is with all the mysteries, conflicts and beautiful scenery.
My favourite character is Hugo (Hurley) And my least favourite is Claire. All she seems to do is wander around holding the baby.
Just binge watched this one.....such a shame, it was a great show but the whole Jacob/devil stuff was just so stupid and unnecessary. And smoke monsters aka Locke - someone needs a meds check I think. That was just too crazy. It would have been a great series without all of that. You could still have all the mystery/drama etc without getting stupid.
I totally disagree, I thought it was really awesome. Lots of authors have done weird supernatural things like that
All the major mysteries of lost have been answered though. The people who are mad at it just weren’t paying attention
“Like sayid is bad? Why the fuck is sayid bad?”
I feel like the whole “they didn’t know where they were going” argument doesn’t make sense. Because in the first season they find jacob’s brother and his mother’s bodies with the black and white stone. Which means they had planned for that entire storyline since the beginning.
How did locke know about the temple in series 1? Biggest mystery for me
Best show
I have to disagree with your assessment on the final season being simply black and white. Jacob and the MIB weren't straight black and white characters, like at all. Additionaly there were multiple sides to the conflict but they both were systemically eliminated/merged into 2 main sides. Even within both camps there was a lot of internal conflict and indecision. People wavered between the 2 sides pretty frequently (look at Hugo for example), as there wasn't a straight idea of who was right and who was wrong. After Locke blew up the sub, we knew for sure he couldn't be trusted, but that was with 3 episodes left in the entire show where we had reached the climax of the series.
Season 6 is the best season of TV ever made. Everything about it is sensational.
it came down two weirdos stuck on an island for thousands of years
@@dtmt502 Let us know when you create something better. I'll be waiting.
what so you can't criticize something if you can't do better, I hope you never watch sports
Jacob & MiB was so stupid it ruined the show, they should have avoided going back further than the Dharma initiative
@@dtmt502 Yeah I suggest you stick to your regular scheduled sports programming.
@@danielgray2661 I suggest you get a thicker skin
Why are all the comments from within a month, when the video has been out for more than a year?
Why do you care?
Manny Badabing Why do you care that he cares?
He deletes them
@@badgasaurus4211 Should I care that you asked why he/she cares that he cares?
actually the MiB and Jacob isn't black and white to me at all.....Jacob does tons of awful shit for his own purposes
I thought this was a good show until it got way to convoluted and opened so many storylines, never closing anything.. Also it was a little un believable with someone shafting the others so many times, apologizing, and the others then accepting him only to,get screwed over again and again..l gave up..
Heroes is pretty good too, but yeah lost #1. So Ben wasn't important? If you skip season 6 it's a really great show.
The thing that ruined Lost was the writer's strike. Once they used scabs to write for the show, it all went to shit and when the strike was over, they tried their best to salvage what they could, but the damage was already done.
No, it was the season order. 12 Episodes per season would have done the job.
Well, the show wasn't ruined, so...
@@kbanghart majority of people would disagree, so......
@@sleuth2077 hmm.. Guess it depends on who you're asking. I mean, fans of the show would generally agree I think.
Already in season 2 the series was starting going down hill. J.J shouldnt have left bro, when he left it became Sci-Fi theatre. His philosophy was to create something magical, but always have a scientific explanation. Lindelof, seems more interrested in raising the stakes by forcing «magic» into everything to justify the years of mysteries with no planned answers, and hoping this magic facade will cover up all The questionable shit.
This is Lindelofs response when people pointed out that the across The river ending is a plothole: «maybe the fabric was magic, a lot of theories here» good god
If you watch 'The Leftovers'. That really benefited from not really having answers and so I think it works here too.
Bro I really saw something else at 5:28 ffs. Lmao
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I feel like you’re not acknowledging how terrible Sawyer’s character was. It might have been the actor’s fault but almost every scene he’s in is cringe af. And as the show went on, the more prominent his role was. I think focusing on him was a major contributing factor to the decline of this once great show.
Sawyers one of my favorite 😂
@@why8533 I respect that, I just feel really let down though. He had a lot of potential but was ultimately a total non-factor by the last season.
His character in 1-4 was rlly good but went down at 5-6 but I still rlly like it
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I knew I wasted my time when he said that "Locke isn't Locke" then immediately points out the fact that yeah, hes the smoke monster in season 6, as if thats a bad thing... Like seriously, where is the problem? This guy isn't saying anything. Well, anything besides misinterpreting basic themes...
Oh man, couldn't stand Jack. Mr goodie two shoes.