UFO sightings explained | Robin Hanson and Lex Fridman
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I recommend watching the entire interview. One of the most mind expanding discussions I have ever heard.
@WHITEFRANK thanks for coming on here to shit on someone else's opinion
Ever???
You haven't seen enough then.
@WHITEFRANK Your own journey whilst more progressed, bypassed empathy.
@WHITEFRANK One day your lungs nd heart won't move anymore, as won't mine. Until then, I wish you all the best stranger.
@WHITEFRANK :)
I’m really glad we can finally have these conversations.
we have had those conversations for decades...
Art Bell Coast 2 Coast
@@karimshebeika8010 You know what he means, so why bother?
agreed agreed, this was a fantastic segment
@@Len124 what does he mean?
Because of the expansion of space they are traveling the galaxy to find life and build warp gates that allow all civilizations to stay connected. No matter how much space expands. They are also here to get the recipe for the Chick-fil-A chicken sandwiches and Taco Bell’s Baja Blast drink.
The best item at Chick-fil-A is the breakfast burrito with jalapeno sauce fight me.
how is this not the top comment
ROTFALMAO on the Chick Fillet. Game…Set…Match!
Sounds like the Mass Relays in the video game Mass Effect. I think those were built over millions of years by the baddies though…
Baja California is a Beutiful part of Mexico.
UFO conversations are turning lately to be more serious, more intelligent and more people are opening to the possibility, this seems to be happening really fast.
all it took was a couple guys like Elizondon and an official Pentagon release. we are ready to talk about it, maybe soon to get a whole new level of disclosure.
i expect there are many levels
Seems to be but not one shred of evidence and once congress asks to visit S 4 and the alien crafts, that's when they say, BYE BYE, your investigation is over. And then we will wait another 40 years to start the cycle over again to no avail. They won't tell us until about another 100 years,
@@nmarbletoe8210 We have always posited there were others, but so far, we are completely alone. We can look for billions of light years and see no sign of anyone. If you give us another billion years, we will be spread across this galaxy. So it is curious that there are no signs of anyone.
We very likely will find fossils of ancient primitive life on Mars,or even living organisms, or in the seas of Jupiter and Eastern Moons.
But pilots seeing lights means little.
@@paulbedichek5177 about 30 million people in the US have seen a UFO. the identity is usually not apparent. one mystery is why we see the here but not among the stars or other planets!
they may not be alien. also, maybe aliens don't leave large tech signatures. Earth's radio signature is smaller now than in the 1950s if i recall. efficiency increases over time...
. Yes and that light is also from billions of years ago your looking into the past so it literally doesn't matter they could have become advanced a million years after that light left and still be billions of years more advanced than us and we would never know
Maybe they've showing us their impressive technology as a means to inspire us. They're effectively destroying the notion that we have physics "figured out", which could quash our complacency with our current models
but there is no "complacency with our current models". there are thousands of videos of physicists explaining how and where the current physical models are incomplete.
I make no claim to be smart or understand it but I'm under the impression that new discoveries causes lots of areas of physics to have the math redone. Everyone wants to be the person the prove something widely accepted is wrong. It's a way to progress their careers. I wouldn't bet on complacency vs persons vanity and/or desire for more money.
The hubris of insisting we have it figured out has always been so foolish.
Why inspire us to be more technologically advanced? I feel like if those were there motives they would have assisted us in doing so, or flat out given us there knowledge I do like the idea that they like us enough to try and inspire us, however don’t really think that’s the case
@@Wowreally42 Reminds me of Lord Kelvin's comments
Wow, What astounding, unique ideas! The potential "panspermia siblings" scenario having been seeded in a local stellar nursery feels like such a likely & reasonable possibility to me. Fascinating, groundbreaking & just plain fun to listen to! My hats off to both of you gentlemen, please continue shining an educated & creative light on topics like these! 👍
Look up dolares Johnson. She says how they cannot intervene. When humanity is ready for the next step they simply gift us technology. They don't care who gets to it first. They cannot intervene but indirect interaction is not intervention. I believe they would intervene if all humanity was against extinction
the idea is at least 75 years old.
Sound like BS
Panspermia Siblings makes the most sense out of every other theory i've heard.
The logic leaps and how far they are taken is amazing here.
Sort of comes with the territory, no?
@@soulfuzz368 True. I feel like it’s much more likely that we’re a set up and that’s why they aren’t discovering us or deciding to communicate. We’re an experiment or project or product. Their managing the planet. The logic being how narrow our habitable bands are and the whole Goldilocks situation. Too good to be random. But we presuppose panspermia and evolution.
It's pretty amazing they overlook the glaring obvious fact that if they were so serious about enforcing this "rule" they would never be here to begin with because taking a chance with even the most minute possible probability of being discovered by another civilization would in fact, break the rule.
Ya you should check out the thought experiment by Einstein about relativity. Shit would blow your mind, considering it seems like you lack the ability to think outside the box….
@@joshcantrell8397 ok thw concepts he came up with there was actually testable at some point and this is not. This is 100% pure speculation. I hope your gigantic brain doesn't get in the way of seeing that one glaring distinction.
This is pretty brilliant. No matter if its right or wrong its a very intresting series of concepts.
Its pure made up horseshit
Hanson is highly underrated. He should be much more famous than he is.
Great conversation. This is what removing the stigma allows us to do - have thoughtful conversations about possibilities.
I like the way this conversation headed ,bring that guy more ,he has some interesting perspective
This is the most compelling argument I’ve heard for this explanation, which as of this moment is impossible to explain. Cheers to Robin for his brilliant mind and to Lex for helping him to make his argument mainstream.
So many of his hypotheses are based on outrageously arbitrary assumptions. He just decides it takes 10 million years to become grabby or not? Based on what? And how does he know the time frame in which a grabby civilization can "fill the galaxy and beyond" of 100 million years? Maybe I'm missing some very based and sound logic that he explains elsewhere but this seems like a whole lot of baseless assumptions supported by agreeable conclusions (but only reasonable if you grant the assumptions)
@@biggerbadger4417 There is some math behind it but it is all based on assumptions at the end of the day. There is no other way.
Imagine if an alien came down to earth and had the same shirt as this guy
Ok I’m imagining it. Now what
They would likely be more advanced so it would include a pocket protector!
Haha, I would assume they were probably not nefarious and more on the good side.
That would be comforting. If in a suit I would be worried. But a robe of some sort would probably be more universally accepted. Not like the Dude but then again, yeah, like the Dude.
Has anyone seen the story about the children in Zimbabwe that saw an alien craft and little people step out on ground at recess when all the teachers were inside and every interview of these kids is solid in their experiences. Hard to teach little kids to lie, especially as a large group. Just throwing that out there. Very interesting
Like in every other part of Earth.... And BTW chieldren do lie, and lie a lot!
@@MrPaSSke there's a whole documentary about it. Watch it for yourself and see what you think.
Could you link me to the documentary? That story is indeed very interesting
@@henriquematias1986 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_School_UFO_incident
@@henriquematias1986 czcams.com/video/q8pymWSKAPQ/video.html
personally have not heard this topic covered in this perspective (pansermia). pretty fascinating and interesting, cool shit.
shouldn't beings from stars formed in the same nursery, also be similar to us as well then? We would all be made of relatively the same composition of star dust, so we may even evolve similarly
No, because what is being conjectured here is primitive single-celled life being deposited either on the planets or more likely in the close planetary environments, which then separated as their respective suns drifted apart. Evolution from these primitive life-forms would produce little similarities, apart from traits like atmospheric flight, life in the sea, and on land, plus viruses and bacteria and parasites, all different from one another on the different planets. There need be no resemblance between these intelligent aliens and humans. Although, likely intelligence and tool-making don't work too well underwater, at least on Earth. What they might have in common would be some form of DNA.
@@mauricegold9377 Thank you for the comment. I find all of this extremely interesting
You are inferring a bit too much from very little information we have. Your hypothesis is quite presumptuous. With that said, I like that you dare to explore these possibilities. I certainly would not have on my own. Keep exploring, I’ll listen. Thanks for sharing.
"Your hypothesis is quite presumptuous"
@@erebusrealm Which literally means before a sumptuous, so like an appetizer?
In any case hypotheses are welcome to be bold and even unlikely, as long as they are testable; as gfresh said let's dare!
I'll be watching you, and nobody cares.
I love his statistical breakdown of the "prior probabilities". I think it is a good explanation, as to why people get hooked on the subject, despite the seeming craziness of it. There are just too many coincidences.
When I was 12 years old I was less than a mile away from one of the largest air bases in the world and I saw a massive black triangle sitting still in the sky, along with at least a dozen other people. Ever since then I come back to the subject every couple of months
@@aeriagloris4211 I have seen two unexplainable things in the sky too. I believe you.
@@connectedcalcat7558 what did you see?
@@aeriagloris4211 I've seen something that looked like a satellite moving in a straight line across a starry sky. then it started changing directions on angles without changing speed, kind of drawing geometric shapes, and then it kind of blinked/flashed and was gone, I had a sense that it went in a direction like a very brief light trail away. I've since read quite a few accounts of seeing very similar things, and the people I was with at the time still remember it.
@@aeriagloris4211 the black triangle sounds amazing !
Guided by the ideas presented here can we assume first contact will absolutely occur with an AI system and not human? Would aliens not ensure they immediately or preemptively interacted with what will very likely surpass human cognitive capacity and present a greater risk of grabbyness?
Interesting thought.
A.i. tech came from aliens and I agree. I think it be the bridge with the communication barrier too
All of these assumptions fail because they don't take into account the spiritual/metaphysical nature of ET encounters. At this point we have literally millions of witness testimony reports about what they are, what they want and so on.
People are having similar experiences across time, location, background.
Ancient religions describe their nature and intentions.
Its only in modernity that we are so arrogant (the last 200 years) to think we know better than all of humanity for all of time before us.
Already happened
Although I'm sure they are capable of connecting through ai, I suspect telepathy is probably the most likely method of communication. Similarly to what the other person said, I suspect encounters are more along the metaphysical realm. If they are ancient, I would imagine communication would be more inuitive than technological.
I have an alternative to this, in place of enforcing a non-grabby policy. That is, to enforce an invisible expansion policy. I.e. you're allowed to expand but only if you use FTL or non visible drive mechanisms. This keeps underdeveloped species from understanding how many possible intelligent species are in the universe. This would be significantly harder to enforce though
Why did I have a feeling a lot of people wouldn't like this guy lol
One of my favs Lexs guests talking about this topic, all of it not just this clip
Closed minds unfortunately.
I didn’t like this guy - he seemed way too caught up in his own “hypothesis”. When Lex brought up alternative viewpoints he was very dismissive and basically unable to engage with any other ideas. Classic crackpot trait.
@@stevenqirkle yea he seemed too marrow minded and too into his own theory as you said. He also takes such a human approach to how aliens would think which I think is fundamentally wrong. When he said "why didn't the aliens eradicate us, oh it must be because they have empathy like us"... Sure they could be empathetic but do you go out of your way to kill every bug you see when you go on a trip to another country? Maybe they are only interested in surveying our planet and/or its resources. Maybe they are just planning to infiltrate our society and enslave us (wack idea ik) in which case they would need us alive. Maybe they are studying us and would obviously need to leave us alive for that. In the first place humans have empathy but we are also predators fundamentally, we can and have shown throughout history that we can be ruthless to our own species even with "empathy". There are so many possible scenarios and he chooses a single, very human point. And he does this throughout the whole pod. Such a small frame of thinking. This guy's a nut job that wants only his ideas to be "right". What a silly man, I can tell he thinks highly of himself, it was funny to see. Not to discredit his idea for all we know he could have hit it right on the head, I just found it silly how he didn't consider any other ideas or possibilities because he has no proof for what he said meaning all scenarious are in the realm of possibility and he only managed consider one (his own idea at that). Guys like this are why manh scientists don't take ufos seriously (although that is changing recently and im sure will continue to in the coming decades).
Because he has a face-punching demeanor and thinks he's the expert about something nobody can prove. It's purely intellectual.
Should be titled “Couple of aliens having a chat”
Wow , this is now top of all podcasts moments, very deep and profound 👌
im starting to think earth is a human farm
I've been on this train for ages. It answers a lot of questions. Whether its advanced humans that use us to live longer, or demons that feast on our souls, I'm not sure, but it seems more and more likely.
@@BlazeEigsYeah. I agree with both of you.
So, rather than answering the question about the likelihood of a spec on a video being alien life, this devolved (almost immediately) into a conversation about aliens having some rule about not allowing anyone to leave their planet.
The theory from the guest is bizarre. “They don’t want us to expand so they show up in grainy low quality video.”
🙉🙉
@@darustrutna Maybe it's like the one-way mirrors at the zoo
@@darustrutnaIt’s based on a pretty good paper he and his colleagues published. Have a look at it sometime.
This guy has set the bar pretty high for who should I listen to in regard to UFO/aliens.
Jacques Vallee
its unlikely that aliens are visiting us from other planets, but more likely from other dimensions
Like what dimensions?
says a guy, completely guessing
definitely in drones , flying with no gravity would turn any organisms bones into mush
YES SAY IT LOUDER MY DUDE
"Unlikely" based on your extensive database of aliens visiting the earth from other planets vs other dimensions? Sounds legit.
The same math used in transformation optics like cloaking, which bends and refracts light for invisibility is the same math for bending spacetime into the same "lensing" effect (transformation electromagnetics)
yes that is a wild fact
Imagine you find out you have siblings you never knew about. How careful would you be to research them before you introduce yourself?
Dip that toe - Beignet Mitch
Honestly i feel like not very much, if I found out I had a sibling I would arrange a meeting and go from there I don’t think everyone would research a lot either. Weirdly I would assume they were a good person as they are related
What an InsightFul Convo!
Being that there were a couple different sightings of ufo’s above the White House in 1952 and we responded by sending fighter planes probably didn’t seem like a great neighborly welcome to them.
Right, or much of Project Blue Book. Wht don't these two or people on this thread actually do some research into the subject? Even Joe Rogan's recent interview with Michiu Kako was far more informed than this drivel. His interviews with UFO witnesses David Fravor and Patrick Walton were light years ahead of this. The evidence of alien contact is overwhelming as is also the evidence for a secret space program funded by the black budget (search for Richard Sauder's work on that.)
@@adamhurter6454 I do appreciate that the conversation is becoming more mainstream and that Lex is diving in a bit more, but I agree that most people who talk about UFOs should do their research. Even on Rogan, it was mentioned how the flight characteristics would turn us into pudding, yet not enough are considering the possibility that these craft may not be affected by inertia, given their means of propulsion.
You would think interstellar space travelers could be more diplomatic.
@@zprep4707 the PBS Spacetime episode The New Warp Drive was very interesting in that respect
@@nmarbletoe8210 Will definitely check that one out. Thank you!
Hey Lex! I'm curious, when you close your eyes in order to get the proper words and/or structure formulated before you say it, are you actively visualizing something? Or are you simply shutting out visual stimuli in order to concentrate?
I ask, as I am an Aphant and I still close my eyes to get concentration as well lol. For me it's just reducing the impact of anything that can prohibit my thought process.
Just want to say what an amazing conversation 🤯
Joe Rogan: no one gets higher than I do on a podcast.
Lex Friedman: challenge accepted.
Can Lex get Snoop and Willie on together? maybe same subject, UFOs
I've never considered this possibility before. Very intriguing.
Mr. Hanson is brilliant. I want to hear more on just about anything he thinks about.
What if we live inside a giant empire without knowing it?
Their version of neuralink made it impossible for them to try to expand or travel intergalactically.
"My hypothesis is..."
Bro this isn't something you have a hypothesis on its completely unhinged from any data you could possibly test, it's call a speculation and a pretty wild one tbh
Technology sufficiently high probably means you dont necessarily need to go grabbing and converting matter from raw materials. Perhaps everythung can already be converted, recycled, etc.
It's either Aliens, Our own Advanced Technology, or an Ancient Species or Civilization that was here on Earth before us. My guess is one of the last two.
I would say the last two are less likely. This tech is definitely not ours or any humans. It’s just too far advanced from what we even understand right now. If it’s an ancient civilization that’s been here longer than us I think we would have known this by now and we would have had much more contact with them. For me I think it is aliens and they are here to figure out are capabilities and they are deciding if we are worthy of contact with them.
Or some other reason requiring billions of dollars of defence contracts...
Or duck
@@nro24markkua that’s one hell of a duck that can go from 60,000 feet above sea level to sea level in less than 2 seconds.
@@craigthescott5074 Darkwing Duck! Darkwing Duck!
One of the most if not the most interesting point of view/conversations I have heard in years
Reminds me of a case where the person said he felt intense love and it was like meeting family. Then great sadness when they left.
Well, considering they'd be more distantly related than anything on Earth, I think I'd probably feel the same sense of kinship one might have toward a bug or when petting a sponge. You know, family reunion vibes.
Came in expecting him to try and debunk the UFO phenomena, happy to find he offers interesting possibilities of pan spermia, etc.
This is brilliant 😁 What an idea! He makes it seem like the rational explanation 😮
Hijacking your comment!
VFX people (Corridor Crew) discuss the more likely explanations for US Gov's UFO/UAP footage:
1) czcams.com/video/jHDlfIaBEqw/video.html
2) czcams.com/video/RrgQNwXIG_0/video.html
Lense flairs, camera angles and perspectives in the footage resulting in what the US government released. I.e., probably not anything extraordinary - but not certainly of course. And also, weather balloons. Or aliens in weather ballons!👽
Yeah send him more money so he can make up more stories about Star Wars
For truly informed UFO-related information and perspective, check out Richard Dolan's CZcams channel or his book "UFO's and the National Security State."
Precisely why it's entirely wrong.
Honestly, the leaps and human centered rationale in his arguments are ridiculous imho.
@@Prod-23 I think you should check out his main theory about aliens to know why he is explaining UFO's like this.
I think it is based on the assumption that, if UFO's are aliens, then they are not an galactic civilisation. If they were an galactic civilization there would be a lot more astronomy data about them.
If we assume that it is unlikely for a space travelling civilization to not eventually become a galactic civilization, then the explanation for why they (a space travelling civilization) have not become a galactic civilization must be at least equally as unlikely.
Just saw a UFO yestarday and got it on video , it is clear that it is something unexplanable , the sad part is that nobody in my circle cared , and when they looked they just looked and said " yeah its weird , hey what are you doing tonight" , my personal experience is that i felt like an ant looking at a giant feet and every ant around me didnt even realize what is going on right on top of us
Drop the vid or you bullshittin
Sorry to hear that bubba 😿
Cognitive dissonance
The reason for that has to do with identity. Something as taboo as life from outside earth visiting us conflicts with who they are as a person. This could be due to religious reasons or other personal beliefs. If something interferes with who they are as a person then it must be wrong or not real and will be dismissed. A light in the sky no matter how brilliant or extraordinary will simply be waved off. We need to continue to study this topic and find more evidence.
why aint ya uploaded it ?
This is all good and stuff, however, I can't imagine that we could comprehend, or even begin to understand what a alien, or interdimensional civilization would be planning. They may have even created humanity in some way that we haven't figured out, and I believe that this is a very strong possibility
If you break through on DMT you start to understand that as a reality. Or read the book "The Cosmic Serpent."
@@adamhurter6454 I will have to check that out!
@@adamhurter6454 good tip, thanks!
I believe the probability that I’m an alien or a mutant is pretty high. I’m very strange, even among autists I stand out as an autist and as a transwoman I stand out among the trans community. My energy levels are off the charts. Sometimes I’m a zombie staying in bed or at the computer for months when I don’t go to the bathroom, eat, buy food or sleep. Sometimes I’m dancing around in the street as if I was on speed.
Its more likely advanced civilization created humanity than God created it, yet look at all the loons who believe in God and yet no-one bats an eye-lid.
This guest is impressively intelligent, and yet optimistic about this topic to the point of absurdity.
I believe that it is possible an outside source could be preventing contact , not necessarily the extraterrestrials themselves, if that makes sense
Hubble detects a sign on Pluto reading "Please do not feed the people"
Wonderful. Distance and time are the mountains to climb. They ponder this in rare form.
Meanwhile in the school cafeteria, the jocks and cheerleaders laugh uncontrollably, while teasing the nerds w/ the Vulcan solute. Makes you realize how simple minded we’ve been. These are now legit conversations, powered by scientific anomalies that can’t be ignored. We live in what may be the most pivotal and transformative time the human species has ever experienced. I consider myself lucky. Cool stuff.
I need to remind myself of this more regularly with all the nonsense going on in the world.
This is one of the weakest, dumbest generations of mankind.
@@maxolcat1281 right?! Gotta find a silver lining somewhere lol
Fosho
One of the best discussion on the matter.. omg that was full of dense content. Amazing, thank you.....
One thing I try to remind myself of that I rarely hear discussed or speculated about, is the idea of their potential advanced technology and the idea of masking or camouflaging themselves. And I don't just mean themselves or their ships, but also their world. If they're here, and lets just say for this example they've been here a long time. Maybe they've been watching us for thousands of years. Maybe this is some experiment, whatever the reason is, maybe they know eventually we're going to reach a certain level of technology and they don't want their presence known. This could be for a number of reasons. Who's to say they don't have some kind of technology at play, that is masking the signature of their planet. Maybe to our tech and sensors, they're doing something so that when we look at their planet, on the various spectrum it appears as something that it isn't. Looks like a normal uninteresting, boring planet, when in fact its a highly advanced populated civilization. I just think, we're being somewhat arrogant, or premature when we say, nothings out there, or choose not to believe aliens exist or make this or that statement regarding statistics, when there could be technologies that allow them to hide from us. An advanced alien version of holding a picture up to a camera to fake a video feed if you will.
Judging the interactions these craft have with our military… they’re not hiding. It’s actually the opposite. Many times they’re provocative. They’ll hover & follow in plain sight. Knowing the aircraft carriers can see them. They’ll linger in entry points for aircraft exercises. An area in the sky ALL fighter jets have to pass through. They’ve interacted with nuclear weapons. Jammed radar signals. They are clearly communicating “look at me, I’m here. You’re most protected nuclear treasures are my toys. I know what you’re doing. I know where you’re going. Come check me out”. Then the military scrambles jets to investigate. They interact for a very short time. And disappear. They’re not hiding. They’re playing with us. Displaying their superiority and vanishing. Why? I have no idea. I don’t think anyone has an idea. But they’re clearly not here to help us. We dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan and they watched. Their motives aren’t clear at the moment.
Maybe they are interdimensional
@@nkyryry Well, their not hostile..thats for sure. They have been watching us for hundreds of years, probably a lot longer. Maybe it's exploration or tourism or just plain curiosity. But i think they are following a strict rule, never to contact us. And i am quite sure that would be devastating for us if we did get a hold of their technology(looking at how we treat our earth and everything else on it...and they know.)
@@Mads-hl8xj a 40 ft long tic-tac dropping in from 80,000 ft to sea level in a second.. hovering over the ocean.. interacting with military jets.. then disappearing and reappearing 60 miles away at their secret rendezvous point…. Is contact. That’s not only contact, it’s communication. It communicated it was here just by showing up. These things are well aware they’re being seen on radar. Then it communicated it was intelligent by noticing and reacting to the fighter jets. Then it communicated superior intelligence by showing up at the CAP point it couldn’t have known about. They’re making themselves known. And they’re proving their point.
@@oggyoggy1299 right because we know what advanced alien technology is capable of. Just because it sounds like nonsense to you, doesn't mean it isn't possible. Maybe you don't have a good imagination that would allow you the ability to imagine how it might be possible. Or at least allow you the humility to acknowledge that there could be things that are possible that would seem fantastical or magical with our current understanding of physics and engineering.
I like a concept like "panspermia siblings." However, the Nimitz "sightings" are terrible examples. Feels more like a U.S. attempt at fear tactics rather than cousins from space. There appears to be a thought that new plasma technologies allow for the creation of temporary physical balls in the sky (creating plasma in the air). You could in effect "print" objects with plasma beams into the sky.
Its always interesting to me when you hear about people talking about aliens or believing in aliens or the possibility of aliens as being "crazy" or put in this woo woo category. Or how people talk down to others when the concept of weird alien forms/bodies might exist, when, if you really think about it, the human form is just as strange and weird a form factor as anything else. I mean, we were once a hairy tunnel burrowing shrew like creature, frantically avoiding the giant reptillian monsters, until they left the scene, and eventually we evolved into monkeys and our brains developed. If that could happen and we eventually create spacecraft, I don't see why a reptillian form or some other crazy form, or a typical gray or whatever couldn't also become a spacefaring civilization. Its weird to me when people mock other people because they think some alien imagery seems silly to them. We're just as strange as anything else, really.
@@LawrenceReitan Mick west is a disingenuous douche that ignores evidence and twists words and truths. He's either a liar or an idiot. He's also pretty ignorant on the topic and doesn't know much of the evidence (or purposely ignores it) that supports the ET conclusion. I've listened to a few interviews with him and knowledgeable UFO guys who bring up famous incidents, where he appears to have zero knowledge of them. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
The topic has been intentionally and successfully ridiculed for many decades by people who retrieved alien technology years ago and want to keep it a secret. They want to have unprecedented technological and military advantage when they manage to fully reverse engineer it. One of the best ways to keep a secret is to effectively use the media to ridicule those who attempt to expose it. That's why terms like "conspiracy theorist" are so very popular.
this should be the top comment!
It's the endless speculation and infinite regression of all the subjects you mentioned which is truly silly.
You are particularly strange
Fun to listen to! Anything can be possible and I guess that is the fun in this conversation.
this is a great analysis of the uap subject, taking into assumption they are indeed extraterrestrial. its touching on the game theory with occams razor.
If conversations like this took place just a decade ago then those people would be considered weird or crazy. But the past few years it actually feels okay to talk about UFO’s and aliens. The negative stigma of believing and talking about aliens is going away finally. I love it.
People like myself have been having conversations like this for over 30 years. it’s just that the mainstream is just catching up to the conversation!
Also apparently “real” a long time before “proof” : sea Krakkens, rocks falling from space, ball lightning, rogue waves…
It's from the Oblivion movie the TET Space Probe 🙂 or just something way easier to understand (videography glitches, filmed birds under various angles, etc)
Maybe they (the aliens) can’t help unless we ask? Has any governing body or country ever formally asked for help ?
Definitely true would be guardian angels
The best episode I've seen yet had to come back for a refresh
Very interesting and should I say, fascinating. I think more of this kind of brainstorming should be done as more evidence comes in. Thanks, David
what if we aren't seeing aliens but droids/AI crafted by aliens? And what's to say that these aliens still exist?
Panspermia is a very real possibility. I think there are craft traveling here from all over the universe. I think intelligent life would just be interested in seeing planets and life across the universe. Much like how we find it interesting to explore life/habitats/ecosystems on earth and discover new species, they do the same on a universal scale.
This guy is to happy to explain his thoughts to Lex, he is actually writing a science-book and is testing he story line
Although we can brain storm about these things, we could never know if these other beings would be as curious as us or as driven. It could be in their nature to just stick to themself and their immediate habitat. Would they see hear and feel the way we do? Still good probability that there are others out there, doubt they have visited us recently-possibly a few million years ago.
You doubt they would have visited us recently? So you just sweep away the heaps of evidence that they're here now?
My family and I saw these craft in the mid seventy's. They have been here for much longer than that maybe even thousands of years. I think if they were going to do something to harm us they would have done it by now. I wouldn't be surprised if they have been protecting us from dangers in space and against ourselves!
This was brilliant. Looking for the matching spectrum stars
From my perspective, there seems to be a correlation between increased UFO sightings and an increasing threat of nuclear war. Anyone else notice that?
I agree, not sure why they didn't mention that. It mite be that many civilisations acquire nuclear technology but dont make it to the next level, they may be here to see if we can navigate our way through this period. So many possibilities.
Most sights throughout history have been near nuclear bases. They just want to make sure we don't destroy ourselves, why?? Who knows my theory, they probably created the human organism and want us to develop even more.
Yes. People have commented on that exact thing. Some have speculated that aliens became interested once we began tinkering with nuclear weapons.
Someone should interview the folks involved in Cuban Missile Crisis to see if there were many UFO sightings
This is a fascinating discussion!
There is so many holes in this “hypothesis” if that’s what we’re calling it.
Yeah, idk why he is so focused on expansion limit? if we barely know about their existence why set such rigid hypothesis that they are hereto limit us, makes no sense
@@Timo_Adventures what I understood is that the limit on expansion is the only thing that would allow the possibility that we humans evolved, if they were expansionist or allow some other species to be expansionist then our planet would have been colonised and we wouldnt exists in the way we do.
Of course all of this is highly especulative because we couldn't possible know for sure what are their motives and capabilities, we dont even know if the ufos are indeed aliens
Nah. It's a podcast
Hypotheses ROCK as long as they are humbly offered and not sold as conclusions (or over-amplified with ego and persuasion; e.g., OrchOR and magical mictrotubule "quantum consciousness"). Every great and powerful theory started off as a wobbly hypothesis somewhere. They are how we got from there to here.
Ok then what is your hypothesis?
This conversation would have been bullshit fodder just twenty years ago. I'm really happy to see the shift in thinking
Ancient Egypt pointed towards alpa centari as the point pf a sibling civilization, many ancient civilizations also had "living gods" this guy seems to ignore our own past history, weather its true or not its written on the walls.
No they didn’t. No Egyptian texts imply this and scientific claims that Egyptian temples were aligned with any stars of the centaurus constellation or the nearby southern cross have been discredited by comprehensive analyses of Egyptian temple orientations.
you must be black.
@Julian Watson totally.
@@Alderak1 Do you have a good source for Egyptian temple allignments? Ancient astronomy is a rare look into how people thought, and our amazing abilities. Love that stuff.
@@nmarbletoe8210 I do not have any general sources off the top of my head that google won’t readily provide you but one of the sources I am specifically referring to is called “On the Orientation of Ancient Egyptian Temples”, a 4 part essay. It is largely a quantitative analysis and not so much of an anthropological study, but it cites plenty of sources as supporting evidence that would probably be more interesting in regards to cultural practices.
The way this gentleman speaks and the way he wears that shirt has convinced me that he is both smart and correct.
Thank you, Robin for your hypotheses and your perspective. It makes perfect sense to me.
Thank you , Robin your hypothesis is a interesting conversation that I will save on my you tube videos . I will now do some yoga . Robin I will watch this video again after my day is done . Robin, thank you for your perspective
Robin: I’m not saying it’s aliens....but it’s aliens.
How about if what we see is not a craft but a "mouse cursor"? If we live in a simulation the simulator may be having some fun with us. We need to wait for them to right click. And the contextual menu that appears will inform us of the operating system running this Sim. Then Hack it! Thanks guys, great interview!
Like a cat chasing a dot on the wall.
I will subscribe to this theory if only because it's fun.
they'd probably swipe left on us ☺️
@@lauratanner8475 uwu alien step bro
@@okthennone lol. Love it. So you're saying we should not focus on the dot but the laser itself.
Would be interested in hearing the perspective of why they are interested in our military throughout history
This is fun to think about, but this is so many layers deep, what purpose does it serve outside of entertain? This guy is just an entertainer
Well educate yourself so that it won't just be non sense entertainment🤷
What's amazing is that the author of the original story for "The Day the Earth Stood Still" explored these concepts discussed in this video over 75 years ago
The first part about "panspermia siblings" sharing a common origin in a single stellar nursery is fascinating, but I find the last part less convincing. Is it not possible that civilization is just incredibly brief, combined with a cost/benefit ratio that effectively prohibits the extraction of sufficient resources in that relatively small amount of time to become "grabby," resulting in no more than the release of probes toward their panspermia siblings? Obviously the probability of that preventing every single intelligent species from doing so decreases at larger scales like any other explanation, but it still seems much likelier than a societal or psychological restriction being effective over tens or hundreds of millions of years. He says that it explains why we were targeted, to prevent _our_ expansion, but isn't it also possible that, if we were targeted, we were the most likely system to find siblings? The probes could've been sent long ago, the aliens have since gone extinct, and what we're witnessing is legacy technology that has either been here for a very long time or took a very long time to get here. That would explain why they haven't expanded in the intervening years: civilization is brief, but long enough to discover panspermia and send probes to likely targets. For the third thing one needs to explain - the fact that UFOs are visible when such advanced technology doesn't have to be - it's possible that their designers didn't particularly care whether we saw them or not. It's not an invasion force, it's a few probes designed to study Earth and avoid impacting anything while doing so. All of this is, of course, assuming UFOs don't have more mundane explanations.
In 1975 my brother was babysitting me on a Friday night. He went outside at around 11pm to connect our bass boat to the truck for a fishing trip the next morning. He came running back inside in a panic, told me to hide, grabbed a shotgun, and ran back outside.
After a little while he came back inside and got me. We went outside and about 300 yards away there was a glowing blue metallic ball above some trees. It would zip back and forth then go down and out of sight in a T pattern. It appeared to be about 15 feet in diameter more or less.
He called a friend of his nearby and told him to get a gun and camera ready and we were coming to get him. As soon as we pulled out on the road this thing instantly zipped over and was right above the truck about 20 feet above us. The engine died so we couldn`t drive away. He shoved me down into the floor of the truck and got out and aimed the gun at it. It instantly zipped straight up into the sky and vanished.
Nobody answered the door at his friend`s house so we left. We ran into another guy he knew after going down the road closer to where we`d seen it hovering over the trees. The time should have been no later than 15 minutes after midnight but the guy told us it was after 3am.
In 1999 I was fishing at night around 11pm on the Louisiana side of the Sabine river. I was just checking a catfishing spot in a bay beside the river with rods because the water was rising and the catfish usually start biting in that area when the river rises. I had planned to get back to the boat dock in our yard before midnight because a TV show I planned to watch was coming on. If the catfish were biting I planned to put out trotlines and hoop nets the next day to catch fish to sell.
Right after I tied the boat up and threw out my rods two huge rectangle shaped things way bigger than mobile homes appeared in a cow pasture down the river. They were flying (more like floating) along some power lines,one on either side, and slowly coming towards me. Each of them had four squares of soft yellowish/white light on the front that covered the entire front except for black borders around them.
I turned off my light and reeled in my rods, cranked the motor, and started puttering as fast as I could safely go in the dark towards a canal leading back to our boat dock. I had to go towards these things which were slowly coming towards me so I was about to panic. One started going up and the other down as the four square panels of light began to turn into squares inside squares until they became very bright and pretty brilliant sparkling dots of multicolored lights. Then they blinked off and vanished. They never made any sounds. I remember on the way out there while in the canal seeing a very quick flash of colors to my right through the fog in the trees but it was dim and I assumed it came from a spotlight beam on the other side of the island.
When I reached the boat dock only minutes later my girlfriend was standing there looking very upset. She told me it was after 5am. It should have been just after 11pm. I never went fishing out there again and I normally fished several times a week.
This encounter left me with a feeling of dread I can`t explain because what I saw was beautiful. I`m actually afraid to go camping alone and have never gone fishing alone at night since. The frustration of wondering but not knowing what happened to me is intense and has only increased over time.
We see countless crazy stories like this on the internet and if only 10% of them are true then our current "understanding" of science and physics is very wrong. I suspect that government officials do understand many science and physics "mysteries" far more than they admit and have hidden many wonderful discoveries that could explain a lot of these bizarre experiences people keep reporting because terrorists could use this knowledge to do great harm.
@@baneverything5580 I apologize for any typos, had to type this before work and didn't have time to proofread. Your story's incredible, thanks for telling it. I believe you. While I'm a skeptical person, my profession and interests lie in the sciences, and the notion that the American government has technology or understanding beyond the leading physicists is less plausible to me than the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Especially given the information we've become privy over the past few years. Every Nobel Prize winner in the relevant areas since whenever this conspiracy started would have to be in on it and their careers for decades would be elaborately staged facades. That or they have an entirely enslaved scientific establishment full of minds greater than Einstein, Pauli, Feynman, etc. They also would've had to never use their knowledge in any known war. ETs, on the other hand, are mysteriously absent based on what we know about the universe and the evolution of life on Earth. It's seems more likely, to me, that these objects would be an explanation for that paradox than that it's local or the government understands the exotic tech.
If you've ever heard someone say, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," especially about this issue: don't listen to them. That's not a principle of science, that's a Sherlock Holmes quote (in case you're not aware). You can't introduce notions of extraordinariness into the scientific process. You falsify available hypotheses, perhaps in the order of probability based on available information, but you don't discriminate between what you believe is ordinary and extraordinary evidence. It's just evidence.
@@Len124 This really happened to me so they can say whatever they want. Changes nothing.
I like what you write here. It is possible that one or more von Neumann probes is active in our Solar System, its engineering alien civilisation long gone. The machine-probes' AI have no idea about what humanity is, only flying to check on something interesting, and trying to avoid damage. I cannot speak for these 'alien-abductions' which seem more dream-like than real for the participants.
I would also add that our ideas about other life are based on our understanding of the world and the way we constructed our reality and society , maybe they have completely different ways to ours
Great guest! Great perspectives!
The difference between a guest like Robin Hanson and someone like Neil Degrasse Tyson, is that his imaginative hypotheses about “aliens” are more interesting than that of NDT on the subject.
I’d rather deal with someone interesting without the ego leading the way, than someone who’s charismatic with the big ego.
Ohh there’s tons of ego here! Enough to tilt the Earth towards his location. The man wants to cryogenically preserve his brain after death. P.S. Degrasse is an idiot without him knowing so.
Presumptions upon presumptions with a smug confidence of no presumption.
I’ve been waiting for this conversation for months! For those who may not know, his math uses Bayes theorem. I wish he would also have had an electrical engineer to evaluate the graver video. What do they lock on to? How do they determine the distances and velocity and what might be explanations for failure? Ps- this make anyone else want to watch Third rock from the sun?
Seemingly Bob Lazar says they sit on chairs just like humans in the sport model. Ergo they like a bit of comfort and get tired. They also seemingly are humanoid in character. Interesting to say the least. So unless this life is just a simulation or a trip within a trip the whole alien disclosure both official and unofficial until now makes as much sense as mandatory vaccination for the "bad flu" in healthy populations.
'They would reveal something about themselves that we would hate'... never thought of that angle. Neat.
Now that we have become "more civilized" look at how we try to limit contact with isolated tribes whose way of life goes back 50k years. We know of them. We photograph them but we say let them do their thing. They certainly know we exist from our planes or boats and garbage. The tribe on Sentinel Island seems to have made use of the metal scavenged from a shipwreck on the coral around the island. We have for the most part decided to leave them alone. Perhaps once the ship has rotted away and all the metal is gone they may come looking for more. We do know that it is dangerous to visit for both parties involved. It is not hard to imagine if we had the technology for silent, undetectable drones we would like to send them to the island to study them. I'm sure scientists would find it interesting to study their DNA or perhaps record their language and learn about their society covertly. Perhaps aliens have learned not to land on "the white house lawn". It could certainly cause a war. One country might do a first strike if they thought another country was getting an advantage. When guns became available to the Native Americans they fought the
white man and each other with them. They may know a human multi-generational approach is better. Their life span could be1000s of years.
A few of our lives times could mean very little to them.
Very interesting, and clever, hypotheses!
we are the result of some alien “teenager” experiment gone wrong. We failed the “turing test” and became sentient (tree of knowledge of good and bad).
Its mum came and took it home by the ear, leaving us alone and hoping this will all go away by itself.
We get visits from the curious ones that got wind of this fuck up.
I like Rogans explanation, the second we started testing and using nukes, especially the one we shot into space, made the aliens come here quick
Lex, connecting your dots here. They'd likely be interested in AI and the emergence of a true AGI. Who knows, maybe they're not biological at all but actually the evolutionary descendants of an AGI that arose somewhere in our galaxy? Maybe they're curious to see what a brand new baby cousin AGI might look like here on Earth?
Some are pure Biological Entities, some are Hybrids, some are fully developed Artificial Entities and some are probably Interdimensional Entities. They may be interested in AI surely but not ours, at least they aren't here to learn about AI from us. They almost certainly already have full AGI / Artificial biological Entities WAY WAY beyond probably anything we could imagine and nothing compared to what we have.
@@matthewkelly2399 more realistic than earthly religions
@@matthewkelly2399 ignorance is bliss huh
@@SolomonRasputin how on earth is this more realistic than earthly religions? It’s equivalent in the sense that it’s non-falsifiable in every way
This talk is so fascinating
Lex is playing it up a little, of course we'd be the interesting species on earth.
Even if they are advanced enough to be capable of manipulating time & space in order to travel through interstellar space? If they have those type of capabilities, I really do wonder what aspect of humanity they would find interesting. If that advanced they would probably have goals beyond our limited understanding, much like we would have no idea what an AGI might see to be worthy goals, if we manage to create it.
I found it infuriating when Lex started suggesting humans wouldn’t be their focus.
It’s like whenever the subject of aliens is discussed , some people cannot WAIT to use it as an opportunity to say how terrible/dumb/boring/pathetic humans are.
It’s fake humility.
@@julythrunov Yeah totally agree, but on the other hand we aren't the only intelligent species. There's even one species that learned our language before we learned theirs!
There are alot of assumptions about how something we don’t know about thinks or might behave.
Can anyone offer a good argument against the possibility of them not being from space but from earth, a more evolved being that has survived in our oceans?
no
@@americanaboy3581 so you agree?
why would they stay in the oceans? perhaps they are aquatic beings
@@nmarbletoe8210 mainly because of most of these sightings had reported that the crafts emerged from the ocean and if you consider that the human species evolved from the oceans and account for the millions of years of evolution with our current form being fairly recent in perspective. also that our planet is somewhere around 80% water and we’ve only explored less than 10% of that, it just doesn’t seem impossible that there could be entire civilizations that we are completely unaware of.
Some of the inner earth theories also have some good points. If the human species could’ve possibly evolved to great technological advancement only to be wiped out over and over by natural global devastation than I could imagine them having the insight to take shelter in the one place they would be less vulnerable. Which would also explain why these sightings become so frequent only after the use of the atomic bomb. They would have an invested interest in protecting the planet and would find it worth revealing themselves in order to do that
@@Yoziggy wow yeah that's logical.
Some years ago a couple guys were hanging out on my friend's boat telling us about a UFO they saw on the North Shore. They said it came right out of the water. I wish I could recall more details.
I have long wondered about the underwater tech tree. How could they get to "fire" or something similar that would allow materials and energy to be motivated in big ways?
Maybe they learned to forge tools at the hot smokers and harness the electric eels for welding...
Not expanding seems like a noble and empathetic goal. How many creature have humans destroyed for ego of expansion.
take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints
Lex cracks me up.. how he tries to philosophize what the guy is saying, but the dude is like no bro.
Lex is turning into a Roe Jogan . If he keeps that same shit up, he too will become a Frex Lidman
They could be alien unmanned scout drones
I think aliens. Might be interested that we keep advancing as a species while we emphasize our individuality and everyone doesn't think the same. I imagine most super advanced species have more of a hive mind Intelligence where everyone works together.
I think aliens too.
Recommend you interview Chandra Wickramasinghe, father of panspermia. Recently awarded MBE by HM The Queen.