Real Lawyer Reacts to Daredevil (The Trial of Frank Castle) // LegalEagle
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Is Frank Castle a hero or a villain? Is Matt Murdock a good lawyer or a bad one?
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A legal analysis of Frank Castle's trial from season 2 episode 7 and 8 of Marvel’s Daredevil. As Vulture eloquently put it: “In the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the “trial of the century” does not concern O.J. Simpson, but Frank Castle. It’s finally time for the Punisher to stand trial, and thanks to just about every imaginable thing going wrong, Nelson and Murdock must defend him against District Attorney Reyes, who has a stacked deck and enough clout to steamroll our favorite tiny firm with ease.”
The trial starts with jury voir dire. For inexplicable reasons the judge is mad at counsel for their inability to find an unbiased jury. Things go off the rails from there. At lot of good procedure, but right off the bat, the judge should have declared a mistrial. Still, fun to talk about reserving opening statements, federal rules of evidence, and expert cross examinations.
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Thanks for analyzing a comic book movie. Your such a serious and respectable lawyer!
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Hey LegalEagle there is a game called Judgement, it's about an attorney that turned detective and does dirty work for the Yakuza there is a trial there that might interest you, can you do a reaction like you did with Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney?
Great choice for the audible book.
@@BellowDGaming yeah do video games next!!
Yes, recently it has come to everyone's attention that Matt Murdoch is a really good lawyer. Hope no one throws a brick at him.
god DAMMIT
I was looking for this comment
He's a really good lawyer.
Don’t worry he is a really good lawyer
Fast forward to Spiderman No Way Home, someone threw a brick at Matt. 😂
"Lawyer's gotta have a side hustle I guess"
Says a lawyer as part of his side hustle :)
I was gonna make this exact comment. The irony is pure genius.
That's most likely why he said it.
Poor fellows. They really need to be paid more.
Kudos sir!
@@SpoonHurler That's why he said it.
For context's sake: Foggy isn't an experienced lawyer, that's why he was so nervous and thought that woman was good. Foggy has a bit of an impostor syndrome when Matt isn't around, which he overcomes later
*Imposter* !?
sus
@@peronafanman
Imposter Syndrome is when a person thinks themselves to be unskilled or fraudulent, despite evidence to the contrary that they are in fact very capable.
For example, in _Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix,_ Hogwarts' students are amazed by Harry's successes against Voldemort, but Harry writes them off as the result of luck or his friends helping him.
@@PerovNigma that's good explanation. I always forget the meaning of imposter syndrome.
Tho I didn't expect to find it here 😂 but thanks anyway
To be fair, Harry was right- he didn't actually DO anything. He didn't have impostor syndrome, because he was essentially an impostor.
Me: oh wow these guys are making pretty good points here.
Lawyer: this is completely irrelevant and not realistic.
Me now: pfhh this is a complete mockery of the legal system and is completely unrealistic.
Lol
Ewww
@@JayJay-kq8ol what
@@spike5499 they probably just looked in the mirror again
@@pugy2000 LMAO
Frank: "those people I killed..."
Matt: "Allegedly!!"
That kind of happened with the psychopath who shot up the Fort Hood soldier readiness center. He kept pleading guilty and confessing and his counsel kept fighting it
@@willh3972 The psychopath who ALLEGEDLY shot up the Fort Hood soldier readiness center.
but in the show he admitted to the killings so its not allegedly
😂😂😂
@@vrayek5480 That's the joke.
*PLOT TWIST: this lawyers ACTUALLY a hardened vigilante at night and lied about some of these lies to throw away suspicion on his nightly activities*
😏😏😏😏
Real life Daredevil 😂
@@roses4199 nah he's friends with the real one and threw off some people to protect him
@@agentmysterious6682 Nah he hired someone to pretend to be the real one while the real one is actually chilling on the balcony of his own place
@@roses4199 lol
I surprised that none of the lawyers I've seen react to Daredevil ever mention the fact that the SECRETARY (Karen) is far too involved in the court proceedings. This would breach so many ethical codes, even for small law firms.
Lol fax
Office manager!
True but maybe because they're such a small law firm they decided to pass on giving her a specifically labelled job within the office and just let her do her thing and help?
Yes thank you!!
That's exactly what I was thinking the whole time I watched it. Like... I get why they have her in there show-wise(because it shows how important she is to the plot or whatever) but like, she really had no reason for being there.
In Matt's defense - the Frank Castle trial was one of Matt's worst moments as a lawyer in the show on purpose, so I think it's a little unfair for this to be the test of his Lawyering.
Yeah defenders 1x1 is a better example
The court just caught Matt at a bad time.
Its in your worst moments your true self is revealed
@@Inastewpopotogo Okay, Joker.
Best part:
(In scene)"She's good"
(Commentary) "No, she's not."
I didni't laugh at the quote but once i saw the scene i chuckled
Like when my heart and brain starts arguing about calling my ex at two o'clock in the morning while drunk.
nicholas heideman ok
The double insanity plea at the beginning was really good too
I really liked his reaction to the mistrial request : it seemed very unrehearsed and candid : but ,yea, this one was close to the top too
Mat murdock is late to the trial but he can still hear the trial for miles away so he can catching up with the trial at least
It's not about him being behind on events. It's about his physical presence looking better to the court. It looks bad if the lead lawyer is late. It's like playing a baseball game with no pitcher or playing football with no quarterback.
AMYSCHILD GAMER LIVE yeah but everyone can see he is blind so they would probably forgive him.
Hydache Reacts except they know that Matt has been a great lawyer for years despite his disability. If he actually struggled like a regular blind guy as an act at times then that argument could work
@@pennyomega7421 it's also just massively incompetent. As mentioned, if Brady didn't show up until halftime of the Superbowl without warning, he'd be reemed out
king
Despite missing the opening statement, I can confirm that, canonically, Matt Murdock is really good lawyer
“I understood that reference.”
@@JensonSetiadi i understood THAT reference
That reference hit me like a brick
@@Coolsomeone234 don’t worry, I caught it.
@@spooky_glados8448 how did you do that
Objection: You left out the best part; when Frank starts yelling " I'll do it again! I'd kill them all!"
Actor: She is good.
Real Lawyer: No she's not.
If you can get away with it and it is effective I would say you’re good 😂
Maybe immoral but good
@@redhaze7663 tomayto tomahto
@@jewishautisticnerd3874 ok "jewish autistic nerd"..... But why is that your name?
@@timetaker7816 what if he’s a Jewish autistic nerd?
@@doflash9210 what if he is?
"If trial is tomorrow, you need to talk to your client beforehand."
If I recall correctly, they only had like two days between Castle taking them on as his lawyers and the trial happening, he wouldn't talk to anybody but Karen, and Matt was constantly being dragged away by Elektra. Not saying it's an excuse, but, it wasn't particularly easy for them to communicate either.
I would assume that there would have been some kind of motion to delay the trial, given the switch in legal defense. Legal Eagle, can you comment on this procedural aspect in this trial?
I don't think there even is a need for a motion to delay. A trial wouldn't happen that fast in the first place. 3 days from the moment the defendant first meets his lawyer to a trial for 30 counts of murder? That's insane.
@@Djorgal It's almost like Frank was an enemy of very powerful corrupt government officials and some strings were pulled...
This lawyer probably has no idea about the show or even the characters, considering he's implying Frank Castel should've been allowed to wear a suit cause he isn't guilty yet xD
@@philiptite1082 The trial was rigged from the start
As the D.A wanted to hide her involvement in the deaths of Frank's familly, since she authorized a sting in a public park, without clearing the area of civilians
God I miss Daredevil, it may not be the most accurate lawyer wise, but it was such a great show. I’m rewatching it right now and I LOVED the whole Frank Castle prequel and season 3 is so damn dark and good. I wish it wasn’t cancelled, S3 got rave reviews.
It was very good. I personally didn't like the mother reveal towards the end but that's just me. Otherwise, it was awesome!
Same I just rewatched the first 2 seasons in 4 days but kinda stopped on the 3rd after watching The Defenders
The show is great and I adore watching it...up until Elektra's on screen. I know she and The Hand are what Daredevil's meant to be all about, but I really liked everything else. It's mostly just Elektra. I don't hate The Hand, I just don't like her.
@@Raiden777ify sameeeee ... I don't see what he sees in her honestly. She is a terrible person. I think perhaps that was one of the few flaws of the series
@@njnexgen Thats the thing, Elektra is sort of meant to be Matt's ID where he knows she's not good for him, but he has an extremely hard time resisting her.
I want Hollywood to make a law movie where an attorney walks into the well, approaches the jury, and gets tackled by a bailiff
Try the first episode of All Rise. You get to see a bailiff tackle not a lawyer, but someone else, in the first scene.
@@historylover8815 I just started binge watching that show, found out about it because of Wilson Bethel 😅 Dex/Bullseye as a lawyer, I'll take it
I like the idea that when the lawyer asks permission to treat the witness as hostile, he proceeds to punch him in the face when asking questions.
Renato Figueiredo he had a defective gun
Hostile witness means that your witness has an adverse interest to you and its shown while theyre on the stand. Instead of cooperating with you, they speak and act otherwise. That is why they are hostile.
@@pepehorhae so what does permission to treat as hostile mean? Can u just punch them
@@Ok-eg8dg of course not. Try that in court and you get cited for contempt.
😂😂😂
*Matt:* "This guy is basically psychic and one of if not the best fictional lawyers ever."
*LegalEagle:* "Thanks now I know to never hire him."
I'm assuming Eagle is referring to Matt's issues with time management and personal feelings.
Yeah. Doesn't matter how good you are if you don't show up.
Also he said "best fictional lawyer" just because he's the best in a fictional world doesn't mean he will be in the real world
Frank didn’t even want to hire him. They did it just because they want to help.
He must have prerecorded that.
And in Matt's defense as a lawyer, this scene is from the 2nd season, which is basically about Matt's personal life and vigilante life falling apart and him not being able to balance the two. That's why he was late and a bad lawyer, he's usually brilliant in normal circumstances (not talking about the realist lawyer stuff, just his professionalism).
Objection: what the Colonel covered is within the bounds of information that is usually declassified for public record. He didn’t give a particular date or location. He did not name any participants aside from himself and Castle. He also did not name the organization or group of combatants they were fighting
nor any specific details of the conflict
He did give a location and details of the conflict. "Close-target reconnaissance in the vicinity of the Hindu Kush." The close-target recon details are arguable. But the location - especially if the US isn't officially engaged in any conflicts there - would _certainly not_ be a matter of public record.
@just kidding Are you smoking Hindu Kush? It's a 500 mile range mountain range in Afghanistan, the location is so broad that there's no specific details in any capacity. It's like saying, "we did recon in Mexico."
Edit: Better example.
@@zabladeMexico isn’t a great example as the US isn’t officially involved in Mexico
@jameson1239 Good argument. My simile was to say how large of a landmass they were doing recon in, though. I would pick different phrasing to improve the argument for any official case, that is very true.
Objection: You look like John Krasinski and Ryan Reynolds rolled into one brilliant lawyer, and I can't focus on the video.
Thanks now i cant unsee it
Ok now I can't unsee it....thank you
Sounds like both of them too
I see Erik the Electric in a suit
Kinda sus
You could do a killer Daredevil cosplay. You've got the look for it, and you're actually a lawyer so even better!
All he needs is a haircut and some sunglasses and he's got it
Can't believe I never thought of this and now it's gonna be all I think of for him.
Exactly. Some dark red lenses, a slight trim and shave and he's there.
@@myviewsonpolitics Matt's also a ginger...buuuut i suppose we can let that one slide. He DOES really fit the mold for a good Matt Murdock. Heck, he's even got the same style as Matt, what with tidy hair to the side and a stubble.
@@Ytinasniiable Doesn't even need a haircut. Give him a cane and red shades and he's good.
Objection. He caught a brick, therefore he's a GREAT lawyer!
Funny thing is that Foggy's opening statement becomes a hallmark for his character development and he gets offered a partnership at a big firm because of it
Funny indeed. I found his opening statement pretty lame before having watched this analysis. And it was especially idiotic _not_ to claim the right to present there statement later.
The writers used a courtroom setting to talk about the morality surrounding Frank Castle's character. It's good for writing but it makes it difficult to make a really accurate trial
I hate that writers think portraying an accurate trial scene is too smart for the plebs. It subverts expectations for real jurors. Lawyers in real life HATE these CSI and Lawyer shows because they advance unrealistic expectations for a jury. If it's written well, proper court room decorum and rules can still be engaging.
I'm sure an accurate depiction of a real life murder trial would be a fantastic movie.
@@Politics_from ehh cant please everyone
@@Politics_from It's just following comicbook storylines lol. Why tf would they make it accurate? That's boring
Kyle Frame true but we got a kick ass punisher Galway prison scene so there is that 😁
During this season Matt wasn't a good lawyer, he was distracted with the whole Daredevil and Elektra issue. But on the first season it was waaay better.
The Lawyer part
Arantza Karevik Just stop dude. It was just simply unrealistic
@@jensb3946 He's correct. The first season's legal proceedings were much less drama-filled, and mostly straight legal jargon. No speeches on the sickness of the city or anything like that.
@@The_Mold_Wizard I'm not sure Matt had much of a legal defense outside of insanity and jury nullification once the Medical Examiner was cut out of the case and Frank flipped out and admitted, on the stand, to being an unrepentant mass murderer. There was not a lot to work with. Sure Matt was kind of half-assing everything non-Daredevil, but it's not like he had much to go with anyway.
@@chuckhoyle1211 I wasn't talking about the Punisher trial at all. That's S2. I was talking about scenes in S1.
You should watch the whole series.
The reason they haven't spoken to Frank Castle is because the case was essentially rigged, insanely fast tracked, the DA was trying to take down Castle for political points. Honestly it may have led to a conviction but should also leave the door open for a mistrial or at least an appeal.
"You know, one way that Matt Murdock is able to accomplish so much in so little time is by listening to audiobooks" that was a good one
"Lawyer's gotta have a side hustle I guess"
LegalEagle is Daredevil in MCU confirmed.
Kevin Byrnes but most importantly, is he blind?
@Kevin Byrnes I think so
@Kevin Byrnes Deflect bullets? Matt can do that?
@Kevin Byrnes after the first two pics, wow even as a comic it seems stupid. He heard faster like how Captain America sees faster.
Nah, he looks more like Deadpool (Ryan Reynolds)!!
List of official lawyer side-hustles:
-Super Hero
-Super Villain
-Super CZcamsr
Super Lawyer*
Superhero Lawyer*
Ace lawyer
a very astute observation.
he is the lawyer of the avengers
Or, as the man himself said "A lawyer's gotta have side hustles".
Erik Throne don’t you mean Ace Attourney
I hope you take the time to watch the whole show because I'd love to hear your thoughts on more of it.
But yeah, Foggy even yells at Matt later for "going on a speech about vigilantism" instead of getting Castle to share his story. Although what Foggy didn't know was Castle was determined to be found guilty so he could investigate his family's murder in prison.
"there can't possibly be any classified information left"? There absolutely can. He refuses to disclose the objective of the mission, the exact numbers or location, or even the precise date. Telling a lawyer that they had a mission in a general area and faced an unexpected threat is hardly disclosing confidential information. It's similar to the difference between firing an employee because someone saw them doing something they shouldn't have been doing, and saying they're fired because Karen saw them smoking crack behind the dumpster out back. The (dare)devil is in the details.
Nando: Matt is the greatest lawyer of all time
Legal E: I will never hire Matt Murdock.
no he said he should be
but isn't due to poor time management
He is a much better lawyer in the comics. Even there though he tends to step outside professional ethics, but as a superhero operating as a vigilante at all while also being a lawyer, it would not be much of a comic otherwise....
@@radihaydos95 I heard it as Matt being a great lawyer, but not having a great career primarily because he often picks cases that he can't win. Surely the superhero abilities make up for the time that is diverted to doing superhero stuff?
@@nctpti2073 "Even there though he tends to step outside professional ethics" Oh, is that all? Just a little disbarment is in the way of being a great lawyer?
Yeah, um, I'd rather he focused on my case, showed up on time, and actually talked to me before the trial, kthxbai. I wouldn't hire him either!
@@gromm93 When acting as a costumed vigilante, at all, is illegal, doing so is considered unprofessional and can get you disbarred irrespective of whether such restrictions are really justifiable and regardless of any and all good you actually do. Just maintaining a secret ID typically involves dishonesty and/or misrepresentation. There are not many individuals in the history of humanity generally let alone among lawyers past and present who have never told any level of lie, ever.
He did eventually win a case in the Supreme Court, though, that established the right of such vigilantes to testify anonymously, which could be seen as legitimizing vigilante activity more generally.
"Lawyer's got to have a side hustle, I guess" - A lawyer in his side hustle
Self-demonstrating video 😂
Just adding some information to help:
-> Matt later suggests that insanity plea is unlikely to succeed (0.12%)
-> The DA pulled any strings she could to make Castle’s trial ASAP,, giving the Matt/Foggy no time to prep. I’d imagine that it probably wouldn’t happen this way though.
-> The DA is desperate and trying to bury their case doing anything she can, bc of the nature of her failure involving Frank Castle.
No DA would ever force a case to trial quickly and preventing defense counsel from being able to properly prepare because it would be automatically reversed on appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel.
5:18 Yes, they have. there is a whole episode before this in which karen talks with frank in his hospital room after he's captured. I presume they are just trying to get him on board with the defense, as he is not the most reasonable.
"One way Matt Murdock is able to accomplish so much in so little time is by listening to audio books"
Objection: He IS BLIND. He doesn't have a whole lot of options!
Objection overruled: Season 1 canonically establishes that Matt Murdock's heightened senses allow him to read by feeling the ink on a page with his fingertips.
Double overruled: braille books
@@noabinnendijk361 There ar lots of blind people that don't or cant read braille. But, Matt does read Braille, so that is an option for him.
@@runthejudes that’s not his points
He can feel the ink marks and things
As he can feel punches and even watch people in 3 person view
"I ain't crazy."
And that's why you don't put a defendant on the stand...
*Video ends.*
When your client is an amoral guy gone off the rails of any level of sympathy...maybe don't have him up there going full Mississippi burning on the jury
@John the Bastard Exactly right.
The guy you responded to doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
"Your Honor.. May I say something?"
"OBJECTION YOUR HONOR, HE'S ABOUT TO DUCK EVERYTHING UP!"
@@e22ddie46 The cops were crooked and forcing him to give himself up for details on the murder of his family
imagine if he watches she hulk courtroom scenes now 💀💀
bro's gonna go insane fr
💀
Yeah they are terrible
He did lmaoo
Wearing a suit to court? I was in traffic court one time. And then, in a case before mine, I saw a defendant brought out in an orange jumpsuit and chained handcuffs. While it makes the defendant look good to be wearing a suit, I don't think the defendant always has the option to get a suit to wear.
When there is no Jury to bias... like if it's just the Judge, the Lawyers and the Defendant... then they would probably keep the Defendant in the Orange Jumpsuit and handcuffs... but once they are before a Jury, it would be prejudicial to keep the defendant dressed in the Orange Prison Jumpsuit and most of the time they are not handcuffed unless there is a really compelling reason to keep them handcuffed, such as being violent (for example, maybe the defendant tried to attack the DA or someone in the courthouse or maybe they attempted to escape so they choose to put those handcuffs that are attached to the waist belt with the leg shackles attached as well)
Can you do an analysis on the legal case in the Pixar film 'The Incredibles'? Could a super-hero be sued for stopping someone's suicide? Or for causing collateral damage, as well as the other cases we see in the newspaper clippings?
Ooo that’s a great suggestion! I love that movie.
I think that sounds like a good excuse to talk about the Good Samaritan laws that get brought up every couplea videos.
short answer: Good samaritan laws didn't exist at the time so him being sued for improperly helping someone is valid.
Film theory did a video on this if you want to check it out.
Pretty sure collateral damage on the scale it happens in those movies goes a bit beyond what good samaritan laws would cover. Definitely would be interesting as a topic to address, both in the light of the time (before those laws) and modern law (with good samaritan laws helping). Pretty sure the "resucing attempted suicide" one wouldn't have much of a case though. Unless they're somewhere euthanasia is legal *AND* the enactment of that right to suicide was being conducted properly, neither of which seems like it was applicable to the situation in question.
LegalEagle: This is actually somewhat realistic
Matt: I'm about to end this mans career *Let me tell you what kind of man you are*
I still to this day do not understand why Matt made that speech, it made me cringe
@Beats to be fair the hand is usually related to Daredevil, amongst other heroes. And punisher yea you can consider it a crossover he kinda already just pops in and out of other continuities whenever he's needed really.
@Beats nah that's a stretch, it's still a pretty good season. It's just not as good as the 1st or 3rd seasons, but you still have to give it credit cause those are some really high bars lol, especially the third season. I thought everything involving the punisher was good, and the parts with elektra were alright. The only thing that wasn't up to par was the whole storyline with the hand
@@demiliomason1565 fax but the punisher was way better than the hand in the second season
@@spike5499 Agreed, they should have stuck with Frank as the main point of contention of season 2. Elektra and The Hand plot was pretty poorly executed and much moe McGuffiny than what was intended.
"You know how Matt Murdock saves times? By listening to audio books!"
Well, yeah, given that he's blind...
This is actually very true if I remember correctly. He has a lot of audio books.
He can still read books, he can feel the slightest raising of ink on paper.
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 not in the daredevil show, but in other iterations where he also has some more stupidly strong powers
if you watch the show you’d know that they actually talked to castle.. a lot.. including an interaction where foggy tells him specifically to plead guilty, frank agrees, and then yells not guilty in front of the judge, which is why they need him to be on board
Matt was definitely a bad lawyer in this one because he left Karen and Foggy to deal with it on their own while he went off to pal around with Elektra, so...
It was painful to watch
Tbf I think most of us would pal around with Electra😂
A man needs to get laid. That Comes first in any man life
I prefer Electra over Karen so I would of done the same thing. It's a little infuriating how they give Karen so much screen time and made her the main love interest while they have two other female characters that are much more interesting.
More like stopping Hand from murdering innocents.
Not going to lie, as a diehard Daredevil fan I'm a little afraid of what the outcome for Matt's lawyering skills is going to be. Especially if only using the Castle case as an example because it's a massive clusterf*ck scenario. There's a scene in The Defenders which I love with Matt tearing a chemical company to bits, I've always wondered how realistic that was.
I agree, I would like to see an analysis of some of Matt's other lawyer-ing parts
Same, this scene wasn't really a fair examination of Matt's abilities seeing as how by this time Castle has taken a deal from Fisk in Prison to sabotage his own case, plus the DA is corrupt and complicit in the murder of Castle's family (if I'm remembering that right). So whether or not Matt is a good lawyer shouldn't be decided by this one case.
@monokhem explain.
@@krismartinez2685 He's saying Murdock is hypocritical. He's a man of the law by day, but a vigilante by night (defies the law to fight criminal activity). The idea is he fights criminals and then puts them to just punishment as a lawyer too, expressing the law is necessary but imperfect so he'll do everything it can't without being immoral.
You know, I actually liked the sponsor segue saying Matt would listen to audiobooks because it makes you realise this is a disabled man and that audiobooks were created for disabled readers at least initally. It's not rly a thing that you ever hear influencers mention when they're promoting Audible. I'm glad you did.
Karen and foggy spoke to frank when he was in the hospital and he didn’t want ptsd to be brought up and pleaded guilty in a mock trial(which foggy and Karen didn’t want)
"Is it gonna be hard to dismantle a comic book tv show's courtroom proceedings?" "Actually, it'll be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
Making references to other channels is tight!
Whoops
I’m gonna need you to get all the way off my back about that
Your reference is tight wanna say wow wow wow wow
Oh, really?
“If you thought Frank Castle was prone to violence, it makes sense to cuff him to the table.”
This is the Punisher we’re talking about. All he knows is violence.
Frank Castle probably knows at least 10 ways to kill a man with a table that he's cuffed to
@@seanbrewer1232 He'd find at least 10 ways to kill the table and the cuffs. Somehow.
He could probably break the cuffs off
@Captain Caveman He knows vengeance BY violence.
This Punisher is ny far my favorite character of the Netflix shows.
@Captain Caveman Not vengeance,punishment.
Objection: What Foggy is trying to do in the opening statement is to show the brutality of war and the psychological consequences of trauma which can justify Frank's behaviour, so in my opinion it's not irrelevant
Objection: In Foggy’s opening argument, he is stating Castle is a victim of PTSD as a former soldier. You say that opens them up to character assassination. But, Frank Castle has always been characterized as an exceptional Marine. Therefore, any testimony from his colleagues/superiors during his time in service should only be beneficial to his character.
The point is that the DEFENSE bringing in character evidence opens the door for the PROSECUTION to bring in character evidence - which _would_ be wildly detrimental. The defense can't just go around saying, "Our guy is so great!" and then not give the prosecution the opportunity to rebut that assertion. It was a huge point of contention in the Alex Murdaugh trial.
It's doubtful that Frank could get incompetent to proceed due to mental illness.
Yeah.. this wasn’t the best Daredevil courtroom scene to cover. John Healy or the chemical company case at the beginning of The Defenders would be a better show of Matt as Matt Murdock, season 2 was much more about him as Daredevil.
I agree, this was arguably Matt at his worst professionally. I mean he missed a large part of the trial and left his partner to completely improvise his statement because he was off dealing with Elektra and the hand.
@@candidlyopinionated19 one could also argue that it’s why Matt gave up being Daredevil in the events of Defenders, not only did he lose Elektra, but part of his lawyer representation, him being a lawyer full time was everything to him then, he was losing more as Daredevil so he decided to win as a lawyer full time
But we all know how that turned out after Defenders, that’s what makes his rebirth more interesting and difficult
To be fair we are talking about frank castle the punisher they guys that kill criminals really
@@soundshock9357 yes, but even if the case was barely salvageable, Matt handled the case poorly compared to the other cases he's handled, and that doesn't imply he is a bad lawyer, but rather it was because he was more occupied with being daredevil in that season, and clearly couldn't balance his two sides properly
@@njnexgen granted nothing he did was going to work as frank was going to plead guilty because Wilson Fisk rigged it to happen.
So when treating someone as a hostile witness, you CAN'T punch them in the face?
No! That is completely improper and inappropriate. You are allowed to use choke holds and titty twisters, though.
@@arcader8138 lol
I mean, you can if you REALLY want to. Just, you know, be ready not to be a lawyer pretty soon
Dark Knight flashbacks
@@yeti25934 What? Even if they pull a gun out on you?
The fact that Daredevils is the Punishers lawyer two totally different (morally) hero’s is amazing
This case was also failed because the kingpin basically owns the police and a police officer said for him to plead guilty to kill someone for Wilson Fisk. So no matter what he would have failed.
I really didn't expect Doctors and Lawyers to make so many reaction videos
Hey, I'm not complaining
For another good professionals reacting to things Corridor Crew do good ones on visual effects. I just descovered them the other day and binged.
@@benf6822 they also do stuntmen react which is great
@@unhappyspoon0428 yes! I watched a few of those recently. Really good channel
@Maritime Buccaneer what do you mean uncovered and why can't they salute indoors, I've heard about the indoors thing but It wasn't explained that well to me
@@unhappyspoon0428 hope he answers.
I request that you review the trail of John Healy from season 1 of Daredevil. This showcases Matt's legal skills much better than this episode, which was hampered by conspiracy and Matt's double life.
EXACTLY, that one is a better particular case scenario, unlike with the Punisher, he f'd up the entire trial lol
And isnt this trial meant to showcase FOGGY and to be a pipebomb for Frank Castle
Frank: "I'd do it all again"
Me: I'd watch this whole series all again
Overall, from what I understand, this trial was a good crossover of tv drama and a somewhat mixed legal bag of accuracy. A few things you mentioned made more sense in context of the whole scene, and the actual scenes themselves were entertaining.
“...witness after witness showing Frank Castle’s bad character.”
Me:So the thing here is that there are none
Yep. And even if there were witnesses, they'd most likely testify that Santa Claus killed the criminals, and not Frank.
Right?
cause they're all dEAD
I would be interested in seeing your review of the trial in season 1 (I can't remember which episode) from what I can remember it did seem to be perhaps a little more accurate procedurally (at least I don't think Matt has a speech in the middle of direct or cross-examination).
I know this is an older video but I love that you pull in "experts" as you would in some court cases
6:53 But where would Castle GET a suit???
Oh, sorry. Wrong sponsor.
lol That would have been a brilliant ad.
Indochino - *gunshot*
In a pinch, his defense would loan him an outfit to avoid the appearance of "CRIMINAL" by wearing the prison orange jumpsuit.
@@Politics_from It's a joke about LegalEagle's segues into his sponsorships, one of which is a suit company.
@@LastStar007 gg
Pretty much the beginning of every 'Lawyer reviews' video: "So, have they not spoken to their client before?"
I loved the video, really informative. But how would you defend Frank Castle if you had to? Idk I think it could be cool to see how a realistic defense would be
Not even a lawyer (engineer actually), but I'm loving this channel. Lots of useful stuff. You never know! :P
"She's good"
"No, no she's not"
Had me nearly pissing myself.
Edit: 8:30 for anyone curious
Yeah, that got a good chuckle out of me too. Even better that it happened _right_ after he got done talking about how improperly she's behaving during her opening statement xD .
What are you, 12??
Oooooo. . . Foggy isn't objecting during the opening statement because he's focused on winging his own opening statement.
Question that just occurred to me: did Matt Murdock violate the Sokovia Accords?
No, because the Sokovia Accords are about the regulation of superhero mercenaries operating on foreign soil, not about masked vigilantes and bulletproof ex-cons protecting individual neighborhoods of Manhattan. The latter two are something New York State law is supposed to cover.
I was going to say he doesn't really have superpowers, but he does have super-hearing, so probably.
I think that illustrates one of the details of the Sokovia Accords that isn't explained in the movie. What constitutes a superpower?
How much faster must I run in order to be considered a human with super speed?
Where is the line that propels one to be considered to have super strength?
Do any of the characters in Mystery Men count as having a super power?
This would be a fun thing to bring up for sure.
Objection: I think this is intentionally kept vague. Marvel has been extremely coy about whether these Netflix show actually exist in the same continuity as the MCU feature films. There's a lot of evidence that Dare Devil, Jessica Jones & Luke Cage exist together in a similar but separate parallel universe. And while Matt Murdock has mostly stayed under the radar, Jessica Jonse and Luke cage would definitely be subject to the Accords, except nobody has mentioned them, ever.
Also you should do a review of The Exorcism of Emily Rose - it's based on a real life trial after an attempted exorcism lead to a women's death.
I would say no. He is quite well trained and is just using his other senses better at the expense of one of them. Otherwise NFL players and other athletes would need to be under the Sokovia Accords as well.
They did talk to the client before but hadn’t talked to him about the strategy of using insanity plea. Because they (as shown) just thought of it
hes a really good lawyer
Can I sue Thanos for killing half of my family and destroying my city and bringing war to my world?
Prosecutor: THIS MAN IS GENOCIDAL -
Thanos: but at random. Fair to rich and poor alike. With the snap of my fingers they would all cease to exist, and I call that.. Mercy.
@@giagarex did you not do the same thing to the mandalorians or at least close to it
You can try, but who would served your papers, and how would you compel him to submit to the authority of the court.
The dude is an alien, how does our legal system apply to extraterrestrial intelligence? XD
No, because Thanos did nothing wrong
You have to appreciate that the showrunners showed the exact moment that Frank realized Matt was Daredevil.
That was in the hospital right?
Wait which moment was that cause I missed it
@@rivercat26 He likely suspected it in the hospital, but realized it once Matt began speaking to him in the court room. You can see him smirk alittle and look away, almost as if saying “This guy? No way.”
A person’s face can say more than their mouth can at times.
21:53
When I saw Nando show up, I audibly gasped. I love his channel so much and I was just watching his videos last night!
2;48 the timing here is made even more amazing by the fact that you kinda look similiar and the tone of voice was pretty alike too lmao
"And THAT Ladies and Gentleman, is why you don't put a Defendant on the stand." Hahaha..
Doubly so if they are mentally unstable, prone to fits of extreme violence, and are unrepentant.
Well in all fairness before Matt begins his questioning he hears a cop tell Frank, "think about what you want" and it's revealed that Frank sabotaged his defense because the villain from season 1 offered him info on his family's death that he could only get if he was in prison with him
@@patrickkanas3874 "Villian from season 1" How can you not know it's Fisk?
@@joaotorres3512 some people are terrible with names.
Ends video lls
Still patiently waiting for legally blonde
I bet it's gonna be for the 100th episode of 1 million subs...
Kk dragon that'd be an interesting video to see
Let's make this happen
Great channel, great video! Thank you!
I used to work as a housekeeper at this insurance company with a bunch of tiny cubicles. There was this one cubicle with a shit ton of daredevil merch; posters, bobble heads, mouse bad, etc. Literally everything was daredevil. That guy was the biggest fan!
OBJECTION: 4:55 If Frank Castle goes into a prison, it's not HIS safety that's being jeopardized.
He’s not locked in there with them their locked in there with him
"Sounds like a party" frank castle 😅
Rorschach just rolled over in his grave.
@@JdeMolay what grave? There was nothing to bury
Lawyer: How did Frank Castle won the navy cross?
General: tAhTs cLAs$ified
also the General: *tells everything.
Was that General played by Clancy Brown? He looked and sounded a lot like him. If you're curious about who Clancy Brown is, though, he's the voice of Mr. Krabs on SpongeBob, the voice of Lex Luthor in Superman The Animated Series and Justice League Unlimited, and he played The Kurgan in the first Highlander movie.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph He was also Captain Hadley in the Shawshank Redemption, and yes it was Clancy Brown, if you haven't seen Daredevil he's featured a bit more later on in Season 2 and he's brought up in Season 1 of Punisher
BioGoji 1989 and he was Hank from Detroit: Become Human
And Mauls brother in Clone Wars and the general in the flash
@@doflash9210 and Mr krabs from spongebob
I was once at a parole hearing when just prior to the Board beginning their confidential deliberations. The lawyer asked that he could be excused while the members were in session to talk to a "client" as the court had ordered him to meet with the client prior to 5 PM that day.
The lawyer was known for not meeting with clients prior to the first court appearance…
Lawyer: "Looks like a reasonable facsimile of a NY courthouse"
Me: that's because it was filmed in one.
I was rewatching the movie "holes" and I can't help but notice how terribly unfair Stanley experience in the courtroom was.
look up the scene, you'll see what I'm talking about.
I vote for the courtroom scene from Holes to be the next Lawyer Reacts!
yeah another fictional legal analysis! More please!!
Robs shoes from Homeless shelter
Throws shoes over bridge
Random guy picks it up
Random guy not seen near homeless shelter and impossible to get under bridge in the time frame
Gets 1 and a Half year for A Minor.
Also what the hell was the Baseball player doing there if he just donated the shoes. Like he has nothing
I just looked it up, but as far as I can tell we don't see the trial. The film just jumps straight from Stanley being advised to tell the truth to Stanley being sentenced.
Been years but read the book multiple times and watched the movie I think twice. I remember it all as flashbacks throughout the story where you learn a little more each time. But I may be mixing the book and movie together or just misremembering. Anyways I don’t think there was a full courtroom scene in either
That woman be like "objection, he is actually progressing with the case."
Ok... this is COOL! This type of insight and video is so entertaining and informative.
A few things,
They had spoken to Frank before they talked about the PTSD defence. Although I don't know how this would affect making their decision before speaking to him again.
The trial was pushed forward to happen with 1 week to prepare instead of 1 month. This would have been interesting to hear about.
The Judge states they have looked at 400 jurors to find a viable jury. This would have been interesting to hear about.
"Have they not talked to their client"
Lmao their client wants the guilty verdict.
Indeed. He'll have even more people to kill if put in a prison.
@@michaellorah9051 And he indeed kills a lot more people when he's in prison.
I wish you had actually watched the show instead of just the trial itself, because a lot of the issues you point out and questions you asked have would all be resolved and answered. While all the things you said are clearly correct, they are kinda the point of the trial in the show.
Matt showing up late and becoming unreliable because of his vigilante-ing is a major point of conflict between him and his team. This tension, and the loss of this case actually causes them to shut down their law firm, and nearly totally destroys their longterm friendship.
Their longshot defense strategies are only because Frank is pretty much indefensible. The only reason they took the case in the first place is because irregularities, or rather flat out lies, in the witness reports of Karen Page, when she talked with the court appointed public defender. Leading them to believe some foul play/tampering had taken place to ensure a conviction. They also learned that the DA wanted to extradite Castle to Delaware, where he could be given the death penalty. Come to find out the DA was planning on using this case as a springboard for her own agenda, and she didn't care about actual justice. Them putting Castle on the stand, they knew was a terrible idea, but they concluded they didn't really have a choice after the medical examiner's testimony was thrown out. And that decision led directly to them losing the case in dramatic fashion.
You pointed out that they hadn't even spoken with Frank before the trial. This is for 2 reasons. First, they took on the case 2 days before the trial, to attempt to help Frank because of the suspected tampering. And second, Frank refused to speak with Matt and Foggy, he would only speak to Karen, because he learned she broke into his home in her own personal, illegal investigation, a place where he hadn't even been since his family died. So they technically had communicated with Frank, just not directly, basically using Karen as a middle man.
Thank you. Cuz the whole trial ordeal (from Frank being arrested and hospitalized to his outburst in court) was a good 3-4 episodes. It seems like he only watched the bits and pieces of the episodes concerning the trial
The context doesn't matter. He gives a grade for legal realism. It's not on how invested you are with the characters and story and their reasons and circumstances. It's purely on the trial in isolation and how realistic it is in the opinion of an actual lawyer.
@@aoikemono6414 that is all well and good for critiquing things like the DAs and Foggy's opening statements. But in terms of a lot of other things that he went over, the context absolutely does matter. Why Matt is unreliable, and the reality of it breaking up their firm. Why they try long shot defense strategies. Why they are so unprepared in terms of client relationship.
To say context and circumstances don't matter is just ridiculous. A lot of his main critiques were exactly the point of the trial in the show. They weren't meant to be great, solid, well designed defense strategies. And they certainly weren't, so they failed dramatically because of it. I am absolutely sure, apart from the dramatic and relatively useless opening statements, there have been trials affected by similarly crazy circumstances leading to bad strategies and long shots. Ultimately leading to their failure.
To say the trial isn't realistic while totally ignoring context makes absolutely no sense.
@@_KingRaz Tl;dr: "Lawyer Reacts" videos are implicitly supposed to show how well-written a court scene is, but in this case much of what's criticised about the scene is deliberately written that way in service to the overarching plotline. Therefore, it shouldn't be criticised in the same way as scenes written this way because of pure sloppiness or writers not understanding how trials work.
He said it had been a while since he had watched the show but was reviewing this episode because fans requested it right at the start of the video.
5:27 OBJECTION! In previous episodes, they talked to Frank, however he refused to speak with anyone except Karen.
A great explanation! learnt so much. great video. Btw, your hair is looking like its 3D animation for some reason.
Wouldn’t the defendant have entered the plea of “not guilty by reason of insanity” at the *plea hearing* and not at the beginning of the trial?
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Nah just "not guilty" at that time. They can do the reasoning at trial.
You would only plea "guilty" or "not guilty". The arguments and legal precedent of why the defendant would be "not guilty" is then argued within the case itself. This is part of why our actual lawyer here brings up the ability to withhold the defence's opening statement. By going after the insanity defense, you are *admitting* that the charges are valid and that your client did indeed commit the acts in question. You would never want to go into the trial itself basically providing the prosecution's case for them instead of forcing them to prove beyond a reasonable doubt first.
In an earlier episode at Frank’s hearing (when he was still strapped to his hospital bed nonetheless) he was initially going to plead guilty. But during the hearing, he switched up on his council and pleaded not guilty. They didn’t even have time to give a reason even if they wanted to
Wait.....WAIT, THAT’S TRUE, WHAT THE HELL
Objection! You didn't wear red circle sunglasses during this video
This was good but would also like to see you react to the courtroom scenes in the Daredevil movie, starring Ben Affleck as Matt Murdoch and Jon Favreau as Foggy Nelson.
This was an awesome watch - you make lawyers look that much more likable 😜
3:00 "Problem 1: the defendant understood the wrongfulness of his actions." -- you could make a *serious* argument that Frank Castle legitimately did not consider what he was doing to be wrong, particularly given the way he approaches the topic of justice vs. mercy and vigilantism while speaking with a chained-up Daredevil on the roof of an apartment building. His lines about "the stink of the city" and the fury behind his delivery make me think he honestly considered killing these criminals to be the right thing to do.
Even under the Model Penal Code instead of the M'Naghten Rule, the second qualifier for the insanity plea (that the defendant lacked substantial capacity to know that his conduct was wrong), a strong case could still be made.
His moral code was basically broken in war and then shattered when his family died. Everything is black and white to him. You could definitely say that he has multiple personality disorders.
Damn that's a solid arguement
@@maxhydekyle2425 Iirc the Punisher even got Captain America to beat him up and deny him the ability to ever join the Avengers for killing baddies in Captain America's presence in one of his comics.
@@thenecromorpher That's just depressing
_modified_ MPC.
Fun fact, the man who wrote the previous run of daredevil comics, Charles Soule, as actually a currently practicing lawyer which is cool.
I did not know that and makes me like that underrated run even more
@@Jingles6466 right? Like I love the current run from Zdarsky so much, but Soule's run deserves more attention. It was real good!
I learn so much from this channel.
If you are here recently… you know
Yeah, yeah...he's a really good lawyer