If you make trash fake videos and put them into the universe for others to view you have to be willing to take the feedback that comes along with it. I think it was very very kind Ken even asked that kid if he was okay with him making the video because he had 0 let me repeat 0 responsibility to ask his permission his video and clips used were 100% fair use. I get protecting your friends but Ken did nothing wrong here
I know it’s been ages since this all happened, but Kenadian was very mature and collected when responding to it. He admitted his mistakes, showed how he saw the situation, and gave all the info and context that he knew of. This is a very respectful way to handle controversy, and I majorly applaud Kenadian for being so honest and mature.
i'm shocked that's a possible problem in the first place... imagine making constant apology videos apologizing to more and more people every time because your previous apology video summoned the friends of the person the video is apologizing to so they can avenge the person you apologized to because commenters decided to harass them...
respect for the good response, i apologize for the overreaction and thank you for acknowledging my original issue with dont hate on cmrn. my video was privated because swirl said what i wanted to say more in depth but turns out the video wasnt needed. and finally cmrn didnt send us to do anything it was both me and swirls own ideas please dont think bad of him. again sorry for the overreaction but thank you for understand what i wanted to say!
*4:23* This part genuinely got a VERY good chuckle out of me, as literally just today I was browsing your "about" part of the channel and noticed that despite your name being "Kenadian," which I originally thought was a jokey spin on well, "Canadian," the location said USA. That was a slightly disappointing revelation, but hey, not like it does even a slight bit to dampen your amazing videos in any way.
I found Seawatt like a week ago, then one of Ken's main channel videos debunking Seawatt's prison escapes pops up in my feed, I was a bit disappointed and annoyed that the prisons were easier to escape than shown in the videos. But I haven't unsubscribed from Seawatt, in fact, I'm hoping he does more escape videos, I'll just be more observant of his options now that I've been watching a lot of these videos. I enjoy the simplicity of those escapes and from the looks of it, a few changes to those rooms could remove the ease with which Ken was able to escape them. More than anything, they're entertaining, and I wouldn't mind trying to make my own escape rooms in a similar fashion, just for the fun of it.
I would be extremely happy if a big channel like this reacted to my video, even if they were exposing it. I want to know what I do wrong and it would probably get me way more views
I don't get why people try dissing a creator over a simple mistake rather than talk to him. He asked to use the clips despite not needing to, by default he's more willing to compromise than most, take advantage of that connection and just talk. Not that hard. Hold on wait, they're making a big deal about less than 1% of people? Bro, they're doing more damage to their friends reputation than anyone else by making him look like a complete loser that can't take criticism, if i was him, I'd ditch these two, at least for a bit, as by god are they not understanding how bad they're making me out to be by releasing this uneducated garbage.
When I saw my comment I burst out laughing. It was ofc a joke comment and I think you sum it up pretty well. That’s one of the biggest issues with posting on social media, you never know how people are going to interpret a message
I see a crutial diffrence here in Cmrn's friends videos compared to your's, you do not shed any negetive light on ANY of the creators themself's, only their VIDEOS, which is fair, whereas Cmrn's friends put you, Kenadian, in a negative light, and overall, giving you possible hate comments, whereas Cmrn got a lot more subscribers, overall boosting his channel. Also did Cmrn's friends even get your (Kenadian) permission to create these videos? If they didn't that is also another very big difference. 7:49 Also everyone makes mistakes, some better, some worse, but I can see that Kenadian has done barely any damage to Cmrn's channel, whereas Cmrn's friends make several mistakes in the videos that, if it were to a slightly less, for lack of a better term, mentally stable youtuber, their mistakes could most definately be damaging, and just straight up harmful. This is not a hate comment, but they could definately do more reasearch on their topic, and have better points.
I feel like it would have been better for them to reach out to you privately about this if they had an issue rather than doing this sort of public back and forth, but I suppose maybe they were intimidated at the thought of talking to a bigger CZcamsr in private or something like that. The problem is that even if they were 100% right, they're just potentially making their friend an even bigger target, so a public callout should usually be reserved for when other more private avenues don't work when going up against a bigger channel. It's fortunate that you responded calmly and reasonably and were clear about condemning hate, but that just means they were lucky that you aren't the type to weaponize your viewers. It does suck that people went to spread hate there even a little to begin with though. I do think removing the bullying joke was a good idea, because there are a lot of people who don't always recognize facetious jokes like that online especially when they're in text which is even harder to parse tone from, and while I think it's fine to take that sort of risk with a sarcastic joke if the other channel is similar in size to you, when they're much smaller it's not necessarily worth the risk since your words essentially have much more weight to them and thus can do more damage even when you say something you think might be innocuous. I could see how the friends might have taken that a bit more seriously if they felt you were attacking someone they cared about and being smug about it. I've known actual bullies who used similar jokes so I can kind of see how someone might think it's meant more cruelly than intended. I do think their videos and the way they framed the situation were blowing it out of proportion, because like you said he should have known what the videos would entail, and you're going to have a hard time judging what could be considered "harming" someone's channel in a critique/debunking video. Some people might feel that criticising their content at all is too "harmful" which defeats the purpose of giving permission to make the video in the first place. It's basically like a roast, he shouldn't have agreed to sitting in the hot seat if he didn't think he could take the heat, though maybe he thought he could and then learned the hard way that he was wrong, but in that case sometimes you just have to take your lumps and recognize your limitations in that regard for the future. Either way, I hope this video helped clear the air between everyone.
Seawatt G A M I N G you went from being the first debunk to the biggest fan/friend of ken and im happy for it and i think you evolved from sad tiny noob turtle to a god lvl threat turtle anyways keep up! As well as you ken!
tbh what i actually think is that kenadian and the creators' prison videos he reacts to are in some sort of scheme where the prison videos get shitter and shitter and kenadian reacts to those vids and his vids blow up giving even more exposure getting more money for the each of them in this never ending cycle that gets all involved a lot of money and viewers pretty genius and badass ngl
I know this is an old video, but after drowning in the commentary community for maybe years until I finally break free from the drama snare, what if people make drama videos just to blow someone’s channel up?
Thank you so much for settling this in CZcams, btw. Normally, when something like this happens, a lesser man would have raged about it on Twitter, so thank you for settling this like a gentleman. Also, if these escape rooms are so bad, why not make your own? I mean, with all the nearly inescapable prisons you’ve made, it should be a breeze!
Maybe this is not a very popular opinion and you made very valid points in your videos, but i think its sad that OMZ stopped uploading escape vids if he had a passion for them even if they were bad. Thats jut what i think though.
Yeah this was very responsible of you. Also it’s impossible to say that all the hate comments came from your video as some people are like you and notice things, but don’t do the right thing about it
Assuming mistakes, apologizing and trying to make things right... How is this Kenadian guy doing things so right ? Gg man, you got no wrongs in this story
And then, Kenadian had a very good idea. You see, he made a response video. See, making a response video lets cmrn get even MORE recognition which is (in total) better.
This kinda feels like an overreaction.. i mean, the original had 44 views. It reminds me of dream replying to every single nobody on twitter who insults him
also btw, are the hate comments you said that were found only targeting the escape rooms, or cmrn as a person themselves and generally being a bully, if its not the 2nd one, u would have an even lower percentage
Is there a chance that the negative comments received on the prison videos (the previously 0.006% i think it said, i'm not rewinding but you get the message) are posted by people.... who didn't come from your channel? Like... That's a possibility, right? I can assume that there are people out there, like you, who see these prison videos and express their impressions of said videos in the comments, *without* knowing who you are, right?
Perspectives on what people see are sadly always going to be different, people oversight, under-evaluate, and just ignore the information and conclude something else.
Ik these escape rooms are not built very nicely and there are many loopholes. As u said, your videos are very entertaining and i know for a fact that i still watch escape rooms videos cuz they are still entertaining
2:00 you could also say that this is to comment on the continuing trend of creators using poorly thought out, fictional narratives which demonstrate use of game mechanics which don’t give credit to those who originally discovered them or used them in that way. I would consider it to be a form of satire, criticizing the dramatization of what is essentially a series of short and sweet puzzles. It also is a commentary on the importance of forethought within puzzle building as a whole, and points out many areas in which these kinds of videos fail to account for. Ironically, I think his channel is a way to build a much more linear, sensible, and clever puzzle map. It simply critiques common errors in modern puzzle maps and in solution videos
you can tell how kenedian is a nice person who dosent want to harm as these youtubers are so small they are getting 20-30 and kenedian is sincererly dealing with it
i want a dear kenedian p1 i thought that your main objective was to get the escape room vids to improve by showing them flaws in there design and entertainment was the secondary
![Exposing Minecraft's Fakest Escapist [Seawattgaming]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1XeMlU9fMCo/mqdefault.jpg)
2:07 I do NOT believe that you don't hate Omz at least a little bit for trying to shoot you with a dementia gun
Ok maybe in lore I do
@@Kenadian maybe?
LOL
@@Kenadian LOL but not in lore Nathan ;(
Lol
If you make trash fake videos and put them into the universe for others to view you have to be willing to take the feedback that comes along with it. I think it was very very kind Ken even asked that kid if he was okay with him making the video because he had 0 let me repeat 0 responsibility to ask his permission his video and clips used were 100% fair use. I get protecting your friends but Ken did nothing wrong here
wise words
But then I had an idea, I used F5
@@ken-tr9pd LMFAO
@@ken-tr9pd nah bro thats my idea :>
the man, the myth, the legend. the f5 master. thank you seawattgaming for your beautiful insight.
But then Kenadian had a good idea, he used F5. You see using F5 gave him a whole new perspective on their trash points.
f5, the answer to life
LOL
But then i used F3. See, using F3 gave me a whole new perspective on how many chuncks and/or depth they use.
But then I had a good idea, I replied to my own comment. You see replying to my own comment would boost it therefore giving me the overall win.
@@ExistingWithYou lmao
This is the most mature argument(?) I’ve seen on the Internet and it’s a freaking response video
i cant even tell if its an argument anymore
I know it’s been ages since this all happened, but Kenadian was very mature and collected when responding to it. He admitted his mistakes, showed how he saw the situation, and gave all the info and context that he knew of. This is a very respectful way to handle controversy, and I majorly applaud Kenadian for being so honest and mature.
0/10 apology, no beginning sigh, no crying, no holding a dog… come on Ken you can do better
Also no camera stupidly close to his face
no "I made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement"
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO HATE
@@Tusk_Always it’s almost like I was being satire
@@RiverRine_ you mean satirical
the fact he used the chess' blunder icon is brilliant
And his omziscool final debunk is a brillant
nope. It's a great. Brilliant is !! and Great is !@@anonymoususer8982
i see what you did there !!
?? !!
?? Blunder video !! Brilliant comment
Its insane how much you care for others. Other youtubers would say: nah, why should i do anything about that?
Kenadian has a Canadian spirit.
Moment of respect for not posting this on the main channel so camrn`s friends don't get hate
Lmao true
Gigachad kenadian
i'm shocked that's a possible problem in the first place... imagine making constant apology videos apologizing to more and more people every time because your previous apology video summoned the friends of the person the video is apologizing to so they can avenge the person you apologized to because commenters decided to harass them...
@@iHateHandlesGetRidOfThis ya people are like that sometimes
not really lol this video has almost 200k views
BEST APOLOGY VIDEO EVER. and a very mature way to deal with drama.
It’s off topic but that image of the trees and moon is beautiful, I love it so much
Also great video, great points and handled very professionally :)
i love it when people make such bad arguments that they forget what they're even defending/talking about
“These escape rooms” naw it’s his name that he’s hating on
My comment was ofc a joke and no hate was ever sent by me.
Twitter moment
@@10JandS
What?
They forgor 10 seconds ago 💀
omz must've gotten them with the dementia cannon
respect for the good response, i apologize for the overreaction and thank you for acknowledging my original issue with dont hate on cmrn. my video was privated because swirl said what i wanted to say more in depth but turns out the video wasnt needed. and finally cmrn didnt send us to do anything it was both me and swirls own ideas please dont think bad of him. again sorry for the overreaction but thank you for understand what i wanted to say!
Cool. I told the other friend that I'm glad this is resolved, so, goodbye, person who made Part 1
Based
This is the exact opposite of ratio
Based
Finally, someone not just stirring up drama on purpose
This is probably the best conflict resolution video I've ever seen on this platform
*4:23* This part genuinely got a VERY good chuckle out of me, as literally just today I was browsing your "about" part of the channel and noticed that despite your name being "Kenadian," which I originally thought was a jokey spin on well, "Canadian," the location said USA. That was a slightly disappointing revelation, but hey, not like it does even a slight bit to dampen your amazing videos in any way.
I found Seawatt like a week ago, then one of Ken's main channel videos debunking Seawatt's prison escapes pops up in my feed, I was a bit disappointed and annoyed that the prisons were easier to escape than shown in the videos. But I haven't unsubscribed from Seawatt, in fact, I'm hoping he does more escape videos, I'll just be more observant of his options now that I've been watching a lot of these videos. I enjoy the simplicity of those escapes and from the looks of it, a few changes to those rooms could remove the ease with which Ken was able to escape them.
More than anything, they're entertaining, and I wouldn't mind trying to make my own escape rooms in a similar fashion, just for the fun of it.
L VIDEO, no beginning sigh, no camera stupidly close to your face, no ukelele, no crying, no guitar, no "I'm the victim".
finally, an actual good response video that resolves a situation
the thumbnail of the response videos just saying PROBLEMATIC LMAO
That's how most are
keeneedien
so true
bring them
wait you arent Canadian?
Putting a disclaimer about something specific at the start would just make more people do it.
I would be extremely happy if a big channel like this reacted to my video, even if they were exposing it. I want to know what I do wrong and it would probably get me way more views
This guy handled the situation very well
jjt
@@solicoli spooky jumpscare
8:02
reverse psychology, some people would still send these no matter what you do and no matter the amount of begging you did
Was a good idea to just show the inner workings and refute with logic, helps to maintain trust.
You should have told them womp womp
Bro Ken is such a good person he could just absolutely yell at them but he calmly responds
I don't get why people try dissing a creator over a simple mistake rather than talk to him. He asked to use the clips despite not needing to, by default he's more willing to compromise than most, take advantage of that connection and just talk. Not that hard.
Hold on wait, they're making a big deal about less than 1% of people? Bro, they're doing more damage to their friends reputation than anyone else by making him look like a complete loser that can't take criticism, if i was him, I'd ditch these two, at least for a bit, as by god are they not understanding how bad they're making me out to be by releasing this uneducated garbage.
When I saw my comment I burst out laughing. It was ofc a joke comment and I think you sum it up pretty well.
That’s one of the biggest issues with posting on social media, you never know how people are going to interpret a message
I see a crutial diffrence here in Cmrn's friends videos compared to your's, you do not shed any negetive light on ANY of the creators themself's, only their VIDEOS, which is fair, whereas Cmrn's friends put you, Kenadian, in a negative light, and overall, giving you possible hate comments, whereas Cmrn got a lot more subscribers, overall boosting his channel. Also did Cmrn's friends even get your (Kenadian) permission to create these videos? If they didn't that is also another very big difference. 7:49 Also everyone makes mistakes, some better, some worse, but I can see that Kenadian has done barely any damage to Cmrn's channel, whereas Cmrn's friends make several mistakes in the videos that, if it were to a slightly less, for lack of a better term, mentally stable youtuber, their mistakes could most definately be damaging, and just straight up harmful. This is not a hate comment, but they could definately do more reasearch on their topic, and have better points.
He's always honest, u gotta give him that. All fun and games with peoples permission
When I watch this video I used at f5 see using F5 gave me a whole new perspective
Kenedian has so many evidence that leed to all people being innocent in this video and also clarifies his mistakes kind of like penguinz0
woah an actual good response to a response
big chad! shutting down any possible window for drama.
1:37 “what exactly was your intention?” to criticise? duh? is criticism not allowed?
Its the fact that he had HAD to point out that hes NOT canadian but hes from the United states
Bro no i love fake escape rooms they make me laugh like crazy
Seems to me that they didn't even watch your video.
this was a great video talking about the matter
I feel like it would have been better for them to reach out to you privately about this if they had an issue rather than doing this sort of public back and forth, but I suppose maybe they were intimidated at the thought of talking to a bigger CZcamsr in private or something like that. The problem is that even if they were 100% right, they're just potentially making their friend an even bigger target, so a public callout should usually be reserved for when other more private avenues don't work when going up against a bigger channel. It's fortunate that you responded calmly and reasonably and were clear about condemning hate, but that just means they were lucky that you aren't the type to weaponize your viewers. It does suck that people went to spread hate there even a little to begin with though. I do think removing the bullying joke was a good idea, because there are a lot of people who don't always recognize facetious jokes like that online especially when they're in text which is even harder to parse tone from, and while I think it's fine to take that sort of risk with a sarcastic joke if the other channel is similar in size to you, when they're much smaller it's not necessarily worth the risk since your words essentially have much more weight to them and thus can do more damage even when you say something you think might be innocuous. I could see how the friends might have taken that a bit more seriously if they felt you were attacking someone they cared about and being smug about it. I've known actual bullies who used similar jokes so I can kind of see how someone might think it's meant more cruelly than intended.
I do think their videos and the way they framed the situation were blowing it out of proportion, because like you said he should have known what the videos would entail, and you're going to have a hard time judging what could be considered "harming" someone's channel in a critique/debunking video. Some people might feel that criticising their content at all is too "harmful" which defeats the purpose of giving permission to make the video in the first place. It's basically like a roast, he shouldn't have agreed to sitting in the hot seat if he didn't think he could take the heat, though maybe he thought he could and then learned the hard way that he was wrong, but in that case sometimes you just have to take your lumps and recognize your limitations in that regard for the future. Either way, I hope this video helped clear the air between everyone.
Seawatt G A M I N G you went from being the first debunk to the biggest fan/friend of ken and im happy for it and i think you evolved from sad tiny noob turtle to a god lvl threat turtle anyways keep up! As well as you ken!
tbh what i actually think is that kenadian and the creators' prison videos he reacts to are in some sort of scheme where the prison videos get shitter and shitter and kenadian reacts to those vids and his vids blow up giving even more exposure getting more money for the each of them in this never ending cycle that gets all involved a lot of money and viewers
pretty genius and badass ngl
I know this is an old video, but after drowning in the commentary community for maybe years until I finally break free from the drama snare, what if people make drama videos just to blow someone’s channel up?
Can you make a drama video on me please❤
@@barneydoesgriddy2170 💀
@@barneydoesgriddy2170 My brother in christ stop gooning
no ukelele ? come on bro you could do better
jokes aside, clean way to break apart the accusations and claims bro
Damn I never even thought about dissing these creators
“Kenedian” is a violation
8:30
Dude I love that you used those symbols
Thank you so much for settling this in CZcams, btw. Normally, when something like this happens, a lesser man would have raged about it on Twitter, so thank you for settling this like a gentleman. Also, if these escape rooms are so bad, why not make your own? I mean, with all the nearly inescapable prisons you’ve made, it should be a breeze!
Rise above the haters, bro. Don’t start the next Preston-Camman war
He did make his own called "the inescapable cake". Its on his main channel if you scroll for a bit
@@avatardotpng really? thx!
@@avatardotpng hol' up I just checked and ur on Kenadian's collab list. we have an elite on our hands
@@thepengyknight 0_0
Ngl tho I respect the friend for standing for his friend
Thank you for being so inclusive Kenadian
Maybe this is not a very popular opinion and you made very valid points in your videos, but i think its sad that OMZ stopped uploading escape vids if he had a passion for them even if they were bad. Thats jut what i think though.
LMAO AT 4:45 HIM SAYING SUBSCRIBE MAKES KENADIAN'S SUBSCRIBE BUTTON GLOW 💀
I just escaped from your most humane prison but its still haunting me.
lmao well thats a superbly inconvenient situation you found yourself in, glad you got out of it responsibly and have a good day:)
OMG ITS KENEDIAN
IKR CENEDIAN IS AWESOME
@@fotiias IKR I LOVE CENEDION
Omg it’s terra
@@randommeogamer CEIKNEDEAON
@@YosheMC ITS CKEICKEDEKIEANEAN LETS GOOO
Would it be possible for you to create a tutorial for countering light suppression?
After they responded, I had no idea where to go next, but then I had an idea. I uSeD f5.
Yeah this was very responsible of you. Also it’s impossible to say that all the hate comments came from your video as some people are like you and notice things, but don’t do the right thing about it
The more of your videos I watch the more I respect you
The best thing that could happen now is if cmrn comes here himself and says what he truly feels about those videos.
Also, if a hate comment gets deleted and the hater posts another one - they just add two impressions to the video
8:31 ken plays chess confirmed?
The only thing I could think is that ken provided a better essay and that the moon was a circle
bro how is this man not a lawyer already
How do you know he isn't?
He isn’t soulless enough
GOOD HEAVENS, it’s as if they OVERREACTED, and then *didn’t watch the actual video* or something…
Wait, did they delete the video.
4:30
I feel like not enough people are talking about this.
It's just crazy.
At this point I don't even know if Bajan Canadian is even Canadian.
Assuming mistakes, apologizing and trying to make things right...
How is this Kenadian guy doing things so right ?
Gg man, you got no wrongs in this story
And then, Kenadian had a very good idea. You see, he made a response video. See, making a response video lets cmrn get even MORE recognition which is (in total) better.
Sheesh this got resolved very peacefully given other youtuber drama
What kenadian is from the united states?! ToT
Wow
I think Cmrn is a great creator even though I do not watch him.
its the fact that his friends made these videos and not cmrn- like they tryna defend him or smth
Can you do a video on the person who proved dream faked hes speedrun I am having trouble understanding what he is talking about
"My intenion is soley entertainment."
I went to go see his videos after yours cuz i saw that he stopped making the escape room ones and wanted to watch his newer content
This kinda feels like an overreaction.. i mean, the original had 44 views.
It reminds me of dream replying to every single nobody on twitter who insults him
I love how you instantly point out the misspelling of your channel
I always took it all as a joke, lmao. People actually thought they were meant to do harm!?
also btw, are the hate comments you said that were found only targeting the escape rooms, or cmrn as a person themselves and generally being a bully,
if its not the 2nd one, u would have an even lower percentage
Is there a chance that the negative comments received on the prison videos (the previously 0.006% i think it said, i'm not rewinding but you get the message) are posted by people.... who didn't come from your channel? Like... That's a possibility, right? I can assume that there are people out there, like you, who see these prison videos and express their impressions of said videos in the comments, *without* knowing who you are, right?
I mean, sure. Pretty sure the idea was just to get a theoretical maximum value, though
Perspectives on what people see are sadly always going to be different, people oversight, under-evaluate, and just ignore the information and conclude something else.
may i say, im glad i missed out in this video and was a month late because my brain could not take this much stress this year
Ik these escape rooms are not built very nicely and there are many loopholes. As u said, your videos are very entertaining and i know for a fact that i still watch escape rooms videos cuz they are still entertaining
2:00 you could also say that this is to comment on the continuing trend of creators using poorly thought out, fictional narratives which demonstrate use of game mechanics which don’t give credit to those who originally discovered them or used them in that way.
I would consider it to be a form of satire, criticizing the dramatization of what is essentially a series of short and sweet puzzles. It also is a commentary on the importance of forethought within puzzle building as a whole, and points out many areas in which these kinds of videos fail to account for. Ironically, I think his channel is a way to build a much more linear, sensible, and clever puzzle map. It simply critiques common errors in modern puzzle maps and in solution videos
I take it all back, apparently you are from the USA, not Canada. Your name lied to us
this is actual peak youtuber response wth
I love how he was simply the bigger person
"My response to their response of my response."
-10/10 apology.
No sigh
No crying so bad
No dog
No camera that is stupidly close to face
AND IT JUST SHOW UP 1 YEAR LATER.
-10/10 apology video
the argument is basically. HEY. YOU MADE HIM GAINOVER 100 SUBS. cmon man. You cant do that that was uncalled for
wait so he didnt have the balls to respond himself so his goon friends did it for him?
5:07 background music?
U should do like an escape room with cmrn or smth, or a collab
I like men like fr fr ong
Fr fr
you can tell how kenedian is a nice person who dosent want to harm as these youtubers are so small they are getting 20-30 and kenedian is sincererly dealing with it
Eventually in a few months you could do like a playthrough of your own faack roooms
i want a dear kenedian p1
i thought that your main objective was to get the escape room vids to improve by showing them flaws in there design and entertainment was the secondary