C&C Red Alert 3 - Testing Heavy Bombardment Tanks
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Just to point out, v4 does reduced damage to friendly units due to its ability to hit them at all times, specificaly half damage, a v4 missle is enough to 1 shot an athena cannon from a different team :)
oh, better friendly damage.
I felt like something was off with v4 damage
@@desiderata974 yeah. In the original RA3, Artillery damage is even more op than the Uprising
Yeah I was sure I was one hitting athenas when I play soviet
But if the Athena activates its ability then the missile is useless.
15:30
Athena: I won
V4: yes but no
V4: EVEN I DIE I'LL TAKE YOU WITH ME!
"Yes but no" is a very Slavic thing to say, actually :P
da but nyet
press F, and that yes but no becomes yes but yes.
@@TrizzlyYT KIMOCHI YAMETE
so to summarize:
Athena Cannons Pros: fastest atk spd, great defensive ability. Cons: projectile is mildly dodgeable, very fragile
Wave Force Artillery Pros: highest damage, most accurate bombardment unit, can unleash short bursts of atks. Cons: mildly slow atk spd, attacks reset if target is out of range, most expensive bombardment unit.
V4 Pros: cheapest bombardment unit, small size helps in pathfinding, ability is devastating in large army engagements, can attack even with an environmental obstacle in the way. Cons: lowest damaging bombardment unit, slowest projectile, default attack is mediocre and highly dodgeable
@Daniel von Strangle but due to athena cannons having a larger body, it's more vulnerable to damage (if you exclude the aegis shield)
yes to all exept for the V4 having longer rane - it doesnt every artillery unit has the same attack range
Also like to add that the V4 fires much quicker than the other two, which both have a charge up time before their attacks, so the V4 can shoot and scoot away.
you forgot that V4 isnt hindered by obstacles, while the other 2 need direct line of sight.
Don’t forget the V4’s Beyond-Line-Of-Sight capabilities
I think the most powerful thing about the Empire's heavy bombardment tank is that it can pre-fire with its ability so with a bit of micro it has a surprisingly fast fire rate and low overkill.
Yes, it definitely can kill the Athena Cannon with its premature charge. Micro-ed Wave Force Artillery is scary
@@detaaditya6237 Basically rolled the later part of the rising sun campaign just by using a few wave cannons and spamming their pre-fire to wipe out squads of infantry & tanks
@@QuestionableObject Ah yes, same strategy as I did yesterday! It's really fun
My mind was already made on which is superior the day I discovered that WFA could pierce through multiple buildings in a single shot
Its like natasha but for armored units
Edit: and you culd produce multiple
But their charged shots take forever to max out before firing, leaving them vulnerable to cryocopters, magnetic satellite, or a charge from Tsunami tanks with nanoshields on.
Allies: Air superiority
Soviets: Heavy armour spearhead on land
Imperial's: Rules the waves
(sorry Britain)
Jake the British want to know your location
Imagine if someone made a fan made RA 4 where britain comes in from the future of 2069 to fight the Japanese and they're all like "I HATE THE JAPANESE, but i do like their gadgets..."
Allies: The Sky is ours.
Empire: We rules this water.
Soviets: We makes cheap products.
@@Weigazod the soviets were always my favorite faction in Red Alert (and the empire) Nod for the Tiberium series and the GLA and the -Coron- CHINESE in Generals... i dunnow i think i have a thing for the whole numbers factions
@@sethleoric2598 I like Soviet too but they seems very weak in RA3. Especially when unit formation are too spreaded out.
Athena is one badass tank. Call it a glass canon. Fragile but deadly.
Cannon
And it's the coolest !
It's more like a giant laser designator/shield generator
@@ALV694 OK
True glass tank in this is the wave force
V4 and elite apocalypse do half damage against own team units.
Its funny how the Athena can win without dying on that 2v1 fight by activating the shield at the last second after killing the V4
Or waveforce can win by early-discharging at 4 bars. Basically, the v4 always dies
@@nonya_bidness if microd its a whole other story for all of them, but if the wave force fires at the athena and the athena tanks it by using its shield while the V-4 fires at the wave force then the wave force loses, if the wave force fires at the V-4 then it would die to the athena unless it can somehow out DPS the athena which only needs 2 hits while it kills the V-4 1st which would help out the athena cuz your practically killing what trying to kill it
Or how it would've instantly died by the V4 on the first hit if it wasn't friendly unit.
With 18000$ you can get 15 V4 in 2:25, 10 wave force in 1:50, and 12 Athena Cannon in 2:40.
And V4 deals half the damage to friendly unit's
one hit atena
V4 deals 1/2 damage to friendly units. That why in video it gives less damage.
The waveforce has pierce, athena has shield, V4s are cheaper and can use scatter rockets to improve anti-infantry damage and have better hit chance vs army groups... As always RA3 is pretty balanced once you learn the details and THINK of the prices.
why would anyone ever use V4 main weapon, the scatter missles are superior in every way.
i actually use scatter and attackground it on choakpoints. this gets my v4 promoted to elite fast. you need to put aa though as allied AI actually uses gyrocopter counter them with shrink. so annoying.
U can easily dodge it lol
@XellosBlackforest Missiles can't be destroyed by AA in Red Alert 3 and Uprising.
Most comparing videos are kind of misleading, but this one's omissions are huge:
1/ The V4 actually does GREAT damage, but it suffered 50% damage penalty in this test due to friendly fire. So the damage test is biased.
2/ Number matters. You can buy 3 V4s at the price of 2 WFAs.
3/ In reality, the V4 is outright the most viable unit of the three, because it can HIT AND RUN while the other two must channel their attacks and thus being super vulnerable. This isn't mentioned in the test.
V4 is like the big sister of V3 and V2 while the Scud Launcher is the big Daddy
I geuss thay makes the tomahawk missle launcher the boyfriend
V3's are more devastating though.
@@theblade1251 agree with that.. Tomahawk x V4
Imagine the Rising Sun main went "watch out for ara-ara energy from V4"
@@timeframe4985 V2's made with slave labor are more effective than V4.
Is youtube predicting that i love red alert 3?
same
Red alert 3 sucks, but superweapons are always cool
I can't help but feel in the test against multiple buildings around the 9:00 mark, you should have had four V4s, simply due to the fact that they are that much less expensive than the other two. They still would have lost, but not AS badly.
Man, that problem of author. V4 give less damage to friendly units/building because they fire...rockets, you know?
havent played this game in a long time but the voice lines for the units are still amazing
Okay, here I go:
Athena Cannon:
+ High DPS
+ Beam has guaranteed damage even with a mobile target
+ Versatility w/ their Shield
+ Can slightly fire while moving
~ Fastest
- Long and 2-pieced, struggles with pathing sometimes
- Can't fire over cliffs
V4 Rocket Launcher:
+ Can fire while moving
+ Cheapest
+ Shrapnel gives area damage
+ Can fire across any obstacle
~ Small profile, can path well
- Lowest DPS
- Most Fragile
- Can miss mobile targets like hell
Wave-Force Artillery
+ Highest Damage per shot
+ Highest General Armour/Health
+ Wave-Force Beam penetrates
~ Moves like a tank, pathing wise
~ Can fire early for lower damage
- Most Expensive
- Movement disturbs firing
Realistically, Wave-Force Artillery are the worst (by a small margin) , as the V4's Shrapnel missile and Athena's Aegis Shield offer better versatility. However, Wave-Force Artillery and Athenas are used more in place of the old Prism Tank role of fragile high hitting tank while V4s are used as literal support bombardment.
Not can miss. Always miss.
yes but they all have the same range
@@kabukijo3148 done.
But what about the mirage tanks, aren't they like the prisim tanks
@@ALV694 Mirage Tank is advanced anti surface tank blyat
I did not know that the Wave Force Artillery can damage multiple targets, damn
It can also fire off prematurely so with a bit of micro you can avoid overkill a low health target, meaning you can switch to another target quicker.
@@theotv5522 Unlike Allies & Soviet. Empire units is real strong if micro them good.
Play vs Brutal AI, u may see Tankbuster always duck down right before Testla units shoot them.
WF cancel the charge just enough to kill an infantry
Yari sub suicide dive right before you last hit them, make it every 800$ can kill your 1000$ unit
Burst drone on danger will detonate on your units
Me:I should prepare for my exam
Also me at 3 am:
Какие люди
I dont need sleep...
*I NEED ANSWER!*
You know, I don’t normally like watching no commentary stuff but I really liked this format. A great game, a fun concept, and excellent execution!
Вижу, red alert 3 до сих пор живёт, что для меня открытие:)
Thing about V4 is that it's a shoot and scoot vehicle as soon as missile is flying u can retreat or reposition just like the dreadnaught, also it is not hindered by lack of direct line of sight , also it's cluster artillery mode is made almost exclusively to counter Athena's shield mode, as the cluster does so damage, especially with splash damage. However if u want something dead at one shot go for the wave force artillery, while Athena with it's shield is a great support unit, but just like the v4, it's suited against fixed structures.
imo not a fan of v4's but its very effective on big numbers of infantries gatherd up from afar.
i totally agree with you
Athenas are great for denying call in abilities from killing your super weapons or base. 1-2 well placed athenas can stop a tier 3 suicide squadron
V4 is underperforming because...
Friendly Fire Effects!
Unguided Explosives in general have less damage to friendlies. (Dreadnoughts, V4s, Bullfrogs/Flak's Splash damage)
I downloaded the game last night after watching your vids. I forgot how to micromanage troops haha
Or better yet, just amass a huge horde and attack-move into the enemy base. Works most of the time :D
@@AlexeiVoroninmight work on an AI,but against a experienced human it may fall miserably
15:37 **Fight ends**
Athena:I'm 1st at killing you firstly guys!
Wave-force:Yeah but you were killed by V4 after killing him
V4:Yeah 1st at 2v1 killing wave and got distracted and shot 2 and boom!
Athena:I hate you both!
V4 and wave-force:We love you too!
Yeah, you see, like some other commenter stated. V4 damage actually kinda halved because it was all friendly fire. So it somewhat kinda biased. But yeah.
I need Red Alert 4. This was so good
try the remix mod it is practically red alert 4 with how much things and effort went into that mod
red alert 2 with red alert 3 graphic
The Athena operator is the result of your GPS getting tired of you cursing at it and deciding it's time to turn the tables
I think russian units should be readjusted to become more competitive. In RA3 uprising, they haven't been given much. If not a buff, I think they should be given faster and cheaper production times so thay they would be like the Zergs in Starcraft. Or mass production upgrade should be provided earlier in the line. They even lack the ability to repair because most buildings dont have repair drones
But they have grinders, which are very important
I always found Uprising not having multiplayer to be kinda stupid, especially when you consider Kane's Wrath does, and their both expansions, hopefully if they go through all the C&C games, they'll put out a new version of RA3 with both the base game and the expansion, and give Uprising some multiplayer, though right now it's looking like only the C&C1 and RA1 are getting attention right now.
Uprising... tfu
@@TheFearsomeRat I guess the devs figured out that they broke the balance big time with the new units so instead of working on fixing that they didn't work on multiplayer. :P
ı am sure you people aware that friendly-damage that is created by V4 is lower than other two. against enemy troops, V4 is as destructive as other two.
*1°Wave force*
HP=500
Dmg=750
Spd,atk=5,5s
*2°Athena*
HP=400
Dmg=600
Spd,atk=5s
*3°V4 Rocket*
HP=400
Dmg=250
Spd,atk=6,6s
I think the voice actress of Athena cannon is EVA allied forgot her name from red alert 2 Yuri's revenge
and that my friends. . is the reason why the allies have a new artillery unit
And it has a serious damage
Hmmm I'd still prefer the Ra2 Prism tank for base demolition cuz it can make short work of entire bases in a few seconds or minutes depending on how many u have on hand, but for utility role especially stopping Suicide squadron attacks, athenas the pick.
the pacifiers
chosen as an alternative to the allied orbital defence network
I like how the developers said ti themeselves "let's balamce the game"
And so they made Japan overpowered, allieds super versatile and russia... well i think they forgot about It
(It's not Fair i mean, just look at giga fortress(game breaking spammable, deals lots of damage, has the greatest range in the game, can shift to whater mode and avoid anti air stuff) and i won't even start with the harbinger)
But but grinders and apocalypse tanks
Grinders are close combat, can be slowed down by freezing it or disable its weapons by other units before it even gets to its destination. Apocalypse is a mixed bag. It is a lot weaker than the RA2 counterpart. It cannot even attack air units anymore....
In Uprising Allies got some sicko heavy units (Harbinger gunships...Nice you have a Kirov like armored flying mini superweapon flying around...than you have the Pacifier FAV....it is good against infantry and well...artillery mode is again..broken against bases and even against hordes of units...again where did they toss their brains when they added that thing?...I don't even mention the Schwarzenegger cryo guys...and the FUTURE TANK X-1?!)
Japan gets the Giga fortress...it is like the epic units in Kane's wrath...need anything else to say?
Archer maidens also not toying around....and those steel ronins are decent too...
And what do the commies get? An old motorcycle which is a bootleg artillery, Reapers which if I remember right even does friendly fire with those grenade launchers and it always felt like a horrible "jack of all trades" aka. can attack anything and kinda worthless against anything as well. And yeah, grinder. Where are the heavy units? Ohh wait...there is NONE....
RA3 turned the Soviets into Westwood Nod which means their units are worthless and only good if you spam them...spam them against heavy units which kill them like flies....genius move I miss RA1+ RA2 Soviets...
Me too, especially in RA2 when they were more balanced, as each of the 2 factions had way to compete with the other in every field, but with a different style. Adding Japan the way they did ruined all the game's balance >
@@TheValentineEnemy The grinder idea was so unoriginal, because they already have that effect with the Apocalypse tanks.
@@TheValentineEnemy yeah, i mean, apocalypse tank Is a landmark of Red alert, why the fuck now It Is just a slow moving target that can be bi shotted and does like slightly more damage than a normal tank
Same for kirov, It should be feared, slow but with tons of health and made to endure and even kill units and structures after he dies
Taken down even before entering normal medium fortified base enemy base
And yeah giga fortress... i played against ai lots of times, so... i very often lose beacause ai spams that unit, It has that ray that oneshots units and can start from a veeery long distance over anti air bases defenses range, i mean wtf i usualy need more than two squads of aa jets but even with them i Need to restock ammo only to kill One of them, and ai builds even 5 at the time
V4 Rocket:Who Are You?
Tomahawk:I'm You But More Advanced
Fun fact, the Athena cannon can stop a tier 1 and tier 2 final squadron strike. 2-3 Athenas can stop the tier 3 Final squadron strike, and with enough apollos can also stop the balloon bomb strike by using the apollos or any AA unit to preemptively drop the bombs on the athena's shields cuz the bombs drop at a lower height than the ceiling of the athena's shields so it bypasses the shield itself.
*Tecnology has gone to far but the presidents still doesn't care.*
Which has better reach? Cannon from space, or missile girl on ground?
It would be unfair to bring out the pacifier for the allies, huh?
V4 rocket launcher: The Lada that shoots rockets. That rinky dink compared to the other two is hilarious.
the water effects are better in this game than some games that came out 10 years after it
2007 is a year with many heavy competitors in RTS.
I like the V4 more than Athena and wave force needs a clear line before locking to a Target, and these two sometimes struggle to fire clearly at a Target in a cliff
Man the Soviets are my favourite faction but some units truly suck compared to their counter parts.
Despite the V4 Rocket being the weakest i would still absolutely shit myself if it attacked my base
The pacifier FAV is the true long range king.
You got me. After work ill going to download ra3.
Who are you gonna play ?
( he use the expansion ( Uprising ) too )
@@kirbi4266 i ll take original, i think uprising killed balance.
@@user-he9ee5ur7g I don't think so but maybe
Wich faction are you gonna choose ?
@@kirbi4266 soviets of course, i am russian, its logic ;)
I love Athena Cannons so much. They are so baddass.
V4 rocket explosion is very satisfying.
but damage of v4 weak like that v4 designed to launch an RPG7 ammo by a tank,not a ballistic rocket.
Other people think Athena cannon is from Mental Omega? But it was made in Sweden?
It has always been the other way round. MO3 comes out after RA3, and MO3 athena cannon are just nigh unusable compared to their counter part in RA3
Aha
The only real pro the Athena Cannon has over the wave force artillery is its unique special ability and lesser cost. The wave force is superior in every other way and with the use of its special ability to fire faster it would have beaten the athena without it even firing.
Just mass Wave Force, reverse move them, and see how they destroy anything on the ground which dares to come near.
Nice to see R3 content still being put out in 2020.
Miss some RA
How cool is that someone is playing this.
People are still playing Generals
If you play defensive strategy, position several V4s and switch to their cluster rocket and set it to force fire in the vicinity near your base. Your enemies will suffer.
11:40 that premature shot comes in handy there and thus.. that shows another example that Japanese need too much micro management in order to do well
They are designed for Koreans.
Athena is the strongest simply due to its insanely powerful shield ability, it means that other long range units will never trade well against them.
V4 can run as soon as the rocket is launched，So that no one else can reach it
Yea but that means the skill ceiling is gonna be off the roof, and I know the majority of RE3 players aren't gonna fully utilise that.
Good vid from the 'Unit Lost' channel
Athena Cannons are still the best imo. Insane range and double duties as a mobile force field. Helps a lot in stand-offs when enemy has strong harrass.
V4 can one hit both so
Are you doing these with RA3 Uprising? Just because I think it's not that balanced due to the fact that it has no multiplayer. I think some results would be different.
You Should do cost efficient tests I mean 1.2k and 1.8k big difference in cost
I never noticed that the V-4 damage is half as much as that of her colleagues. Perhaps due to the fact that except for its intended purpose - to destroy dense clusters of defensive structures, I did not use them.
Well, the half-damage is because it'd be absolute hell if it did full damage on friendly fire. So its damage to friendlies is halved. Save for the cluster missile demonstration, every target in the video is a friendly, hence the ridiculously low damage it's showing.
why you don't test pacifier fav he"s the most powerfull along them
they will comply
😂the way the soldiers said kill them with water melon is epic
Nooo!! Conventional rockets are outdated and slow!!! They are easily dodgeable and can be shot out of the sky!!! They show weak technological prowess!!!!!!
V4: haha rocket go boom
9:08 wave force block athena way made them slower
Good to know that if the V4 launcher levels a city block anyone caught in the blast will come out with only minor injuries.
It's probably a bit too late to fix this in your early videos, but I'd like to see a scaled cost analysis between units. The v4 is just 1200, while the wave cannon is 1800. For a group of 6 wave cannons, you get 9 v4's While the cannon is admittedly super stronk even in small numbers, I do wonder what a numbers advantage for having more v4's would look like.
Also v4's damage type is classified as "high explosive". High explosive get a damage reduction in a friendly fire situation.
Note that v4 does less damage vs units from your own team. If you could redo some of these engagement with, say, an enemy player with his units on hold fire, that'd be very nice. Otherwise a great video as always, thanks for making these!
other faction: Cool futuristic weapons
Russia: R O K E T
soviet is the only team that makes it feel like reality not gonna lie
You didn't demonstrate the Wave Force Cannon's premature discharge ability, it could have destroyed the Athena before it got destroyed.
Not sure if that changed, but with wave artillery you could kill terror drones inside your infected units.
Your style is similar to tg but I won't fault you for it. One, tg seems to mainly focus on RA2 and MO and, second, it feels more like an homage.
Heck, I'm tempted to do these kinds of vids for Kane's Wrath.
how Love it this PC Game my friends. Although obviously have his Design Flaws. That the Video Game Gods Bless the Mods. Are the salvation of this Flaws. Thanks.
Last round Athena still have time to press F to protect herself after attack
One question : Why tou don't test F4 in "Cluster mode" with other artilery while testing? I thik if use "Cluster mode" in situations (what you show to us) it's been more effective.
P.S: sorry for bad English . I'm Russian. I played in Red Alert 3 and F4 with cluster more Effective. So i just put this comment . So can you testing all artilery again , but F4 with "Cluster mode"???
WF artillery at a bit more than half charge will kill an athena before it can call a beam to hit. V4 shrapnel rockets are good against building and enemy groups. Athena is best played defensively.
the v4 launcher gives me some major Nod specter vibes.
This V4 demonstration is just telling ppl to build Apocalypse instead lol
Soviets: Power in Numbers
He don't know feel when flies to you so f@*king big army of kirovs
Сила в правде.
I have some idea.
After matching units insert a short video presenting them in action.
For example in this case, a siege.
Nice videos. They explain a lot.
Wave Force be like: Dodge this
"kill them like water melons" you wuuut mate.
Ohh. I love how the video editing leveled up 👌
since the Soviet n Japanese bombardment tank has AOE damage, you should test for critical mass also:
like 2 V4 vs 2 Athena, or 3 V4 vs 3 Athena, ....
or 2 Wave force vs 2 Athena, or 4 Wave force vs 4 Athena, ....
Wave force can hit upto 4 enemies at once, and can even toggle fast firing mode. V4 in frag mode should be able to hit many enemies at once.
My guess is that, in large scale fights, either frag V4 or quick fire Wave force always win.
Allied're always the best !
( Just kidding, but they're really cool )
Considering the 3 unit's costs and performance, the V4 ought to be a lot less, probably worth 750.
It's only doing half the normal damage to friendlies to offset its massive travel time, hence its poor performance here.
Capitalist dogs use lasers from space. Real comrades use Katyushas ;)
Yes, but Athena cannon are faster than this... Thing
@@kirbi4266 pffft u need direct line of sight, by the time u get it, a wave force would have sniped u
@@kirbi4266 V4:hides
Athena:faq
i miss my V3 Missile Launcher
Superior japanese technology vs superior soviet manpower
And.... Allied ?
Just a suggestion jb, maybe in the future if you remake any of the testing videos, test units with equal cost
So for example the v4 costs 1200, whereas the wave force Artillery costs 1800, so in that case test 3 v4s against 2 wave force
This is an individual test. There's still strategy. V4's don't get used the exact same way as the others. Athenas and Wave-force get used in mechanised troops for slightly different reasons.
i never Understand why Only Soviets Must have weakest Units from all Nations.... that unfair .... and that reason why i play them.....
Daren Jašek it's because cheap but together they are strong
I thought the artilery for the allies would be that hover tank because of its heavy guns and that it has to deploy
Well its an explanation unit, and is more of a beefed up Arty for the allies with no real peers
I use hammer tank to leech athena cannon and i got hammer cannon hahahaha
Интересно, стены не мешают артиллерии японцев стрелять по целям за ней?)) Или же по тем, кто на этаж выше его?))
Even if rising sun and allies , bomber are stronger, but the Soviet v4 can attack over obstacle
При таком балансе, советская арта должна стоить 1000$. Тогда будет справедливо
I forgot what the Athena cannon's special was, I do know hte V4 rocket can swap to a single missile or a scatter shot which is devastating against infantry, capable of knocking the toughest infantry unit onto their arse, so multiple V4, lordy
It's a shield
V4 does less damage to friendly units?
No, I don't think
Yes, it does
@@simonshen3834 I look on Internet if it does but I didn't find anything
Tell me if you find it
@@kirbi4266 it does less damage to friend units
V4 is the best in real game? and I think V4 has a reduced dmg for ally units?
These videos miss out on the friendly fire reductions. Need to separate by team, or make a mod removing the reductions from each weapon.