M3 Pro vs M2 Pro 14" MacBook Pro - WE WERE WRONG.. 🤯
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M3 Pro vs M2 Pro MacBook Pro - 00:00
Space Black Comparison - 0:28
Display Brightness - 1:07
Speaker Quality - 1:18
Webcam & Microphones - 2:03
M2 Pro vs M3 Pro Teardown - 2:24
SSD Speed Test - 3:23
Geekbench 6 CPU - 4:47
Geekbench 6 Metal GPU - 6:50
3DMark Wild Life Extreme - 8:06
Figma Web Design - 8:38
Logic Pro Music Production - 9:17
Cinebench 2024 - 10:52
Lightroom Classic Photo Editing - 13:06
Blender 3D Rendering - 14:12
Cinebench 2024 GPU Test - 15:00
Final Cut Pro Video Editing - 15:42
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Can you compare the 12/18 pro to the 14/30 max?
thanks for the logic test, usually ppl show some render times in daw's, which is meaningless :)
it's all about those p-cores, cannot wait for the ultra
Hello, I am sahil. My interest in coding, web development. i want to become a good developer but i have no laptop and i am not able to buy it. i am belong to poor family. so please can you give me any good laptop in your treasure. And may I be grateful to you all my life
@maxtechofficial Can you please do a comparison with the m2 pro running on low power mode until flat vs the m3 running on low power mode until flat so we can see how much longer runtime the m3 pro gets on lower power mode vs the m2 pro on low power mode thanks.
Can you please do a comparison with the m2 pro running on low power mode until flat vs the m3 running on low power mode until flat so we can see how much longer runtime the m3 pro gets on lower power mode vs the m2 pro on low power mode thanks.
It doesn't bother ME... but one of my friends goes crazy when he hears someone say the word 'LESS' when they should be saying 'FEWER' . It's not 'less cores'. It's 'fewer cores'. That's because it's a countable item. For everything else, you can say 'less'. Could my comments be FEWER irritating? No. But they could perhaps be LESS irritating? YES!!!
I’m always trying to improve my english and I find your comment useful 👍
Thanks for including Logic in your test! As a music producer i´m always happy to see those getting tested as well. 😃
Quiet shocking to see an older Macbook outperforming a new one. 😯
Planning on getting the M3 Max, that should outperform the M2 Max (hopefully).
Max is so funny. Always trying to find drama and generate excitement regarding benchmarks. I value the testing though!
They test thoroughly but just choose to create content and form opinions at each stage, which is a subjective approach but it’s nice.
Generates more content and controversy.
@@ebubeawachiein other words its srill drama! Wven the pitch of voice is getting much but it does the job nonetheless
Surprising results! Still very happy with my m1 pro mac power and efficiency. Thankyou max tech for all these comparisons!!
no point to replace M3 if you have M1 in your hand
Completely agree! I upgraded from the 2018 i7 to the M1 Pro so I’m good until the M6!
Should I upgrade I have an early 2011 MacBook pro? But I'm low on funds
@@Pablo-oi1hv Buy the original M1 13" MBP and it would be a huge upgrade. Should be able to pick one up for $800 or less.
First chip change always give best gains...all after seem to only give small increments(to keep profits up). Environmentally they should wait 5+ years before new electronics, but 100 years most of the world will probably fall into the dark ages again.
Apple really needs to step up its game in terms of hardware features. Until they do, I'm sticking with my trusty M1 Pro and not considering an upgrade.
Maybe:
-Under display Face ID
-OLED Screen (No blooming 🎉)
- 240 Hz Panel on Pros (For actual gaming) and 120 Hz on Airs (catch up to the times)
-Titanium body for weight reduction (especially on 16”)
Huh, that's why I like watching videos with tear downs in them. Had no idea about the larger heat block on the M3 models. That's good to know, will never complain about improved thermals.
As someone coming from Intel, I will definetely buy the M3 Pro. Thanks for the video
You won't be disappointed. I upgraded to an M1 2 years ago from an intel Mac 2015. The difference is huge.
Bro that’s an almost 10 year pc.
And yeahhhhh
Crazy that Macs are just now getting black laptops.....haha
They’ve been black years ago…@@tommy516
Thank you, I was waiting for this review!
5:48 For one, Apple doesn't advertize clock speeds. The max clock speed benchmark apps report is only for 1 core, and it's expected behavior for chips to have a little bit lower all-core max frequency.
If you're not seeing the 4GHz speed on the graph, it could be due to 2 reasons: 1. The cooling can't sustain 4GHz on a single core due to the density of the heat on one core and therefore you'll only see it in even shorter workloads than Geekbench, 2. If the M3 is briefly boosting to 4GHz on Geekbench, the sampling rate of the frequency graph might not be high enough to detect that.
For Lightroom classic, exporting is typically not a big deal as part of the end of a workflow. However, the denoise function done in the middle of the workflow can bring a system down to it's knees. Would love to see that test.
Export speed is important to me as I shoot sports with deadline live edits to wire. Every second helps. But I agree, the Denoise difference would have been nice to see for sure.
Hey! Can I ask what MacBook you’re using to keep up in your export/import fast!? Looking to work while I travel.
Thanks!
Your testing is always super informative. Thanks!
I would love to see you put the 11/14 M3 Pro vs the 12/18 M3 Pro. For the minimal cost in upgrading it would be great to see if it’s worth it.
And the 12/18 M3 Pro with M2 Pro
For GPU improvements probably yes
The synthetic benchmarks are going to show 9% and 28% improvements
@@doomtomb3 maybe. It's actual real world usage which matters, not synthetic benchmarks. Just month and half to 2024 so I can buy it (have enough tax write offs this year). Can't wait.
Pleased with my binned M3 Pro on my 14" MacBook Pro. From the 8/7 base M1 on my Air it's a massive step up.
Hey why the upgrade. Do you feel like 14 inch screen is too small. Curious to know your thoughts haha
Did you choose base model or 12/18 ?
Picking my M3 Pro up tonight! I've also got the base 8/7 M1 Air, and it really struggles with 8GB ram.
@@PackFan-tv5pj Felt the same about mine. Enjoy!
Used/refurbished/stay-with a MBP 14” M1 base model. Best deal for performance/value if you can wait a minute or two😉 Especially if you are in a non-USA country where US$ has made any new MAC crazy priced. I use my MBP M1 for basic work, photo/video editing (no 3D rendering) and it still is fast enough, and has the ports, beautiful display (w/ VIVID app for more nits if needed), battery lasts a day out if needed, and I can’t understand the new color hype except ‘Space Black is the new Space Gray.’
Thank you for the blender test 🤩 great video as always!
I've said this in the past when the M1 Pro came with only 2 efficiency cores. On my M1 Pro, it's just the 2 efficiency cores doing the work most of the time. The performance cores fire up when I'm launching a program or when I'm running Windows but I think that I'd be fine with just more efficiency cores. Intel has certainly gone big on big-little and it's a reasonable approach to get more efficiency. The improvements are not enough to get me to upgrade though as the M1 Pro more than meets my CPU/GPU requirements and battery life is good enough for my production load. I look forward to further improvements in M4 and M5. Thanks for the performance analysis work. I'm following this series to see what they did.
I'd like to see comparisons against the M1 Pro. I don't see people upgrading from M2, but rather M1 which I think is one reason why Apple kept comparing M3 to M1 in the Keynote. Maybe even compare to the last gen Intel MacBook Pros as well. These would be much better comparisons. If someone upgrades from an M2 they were gonna do it regardless of the performance because they're ones who just have to have the latest tech at all times.
@@Mehwhatevr As an M1 user, if you haven’t upgraded to an M2 it’s because the performance hasn’t advanced enough to upgrade. A direct M1 to M3 would make it easier to see if the m3 is a big enough jump to upgrade without having to go back and see what the jump to M2 is then to M3.
Exactly, that's why I'm here @@Mehwhatevr
I upgraded from my 16" m1 pro to the 16" m3 pro. I mainly only code and maybe some light gaming. The biggest upgrade is definitely the color.
@@MatrixRolandyou’re falling into apples marketing trick. It’s people like you who “look for the biggest jump” that completely disregards generations between your current and latest gen and that’s how companies can get away with making marginal gen on gen improvements.
As a previous reply said, the direct m2 to m3 comparison is critical in figuring out if getting the latest gen is a waste of your money. Of course a 2 or 3 gen jump is going to have an improvement. But why would you buy a latest gen for 400$ more when the m2 does the exact same thing, if not better?
I have a M1 Pro 14, and I don't see any reason why I should upgrade. I do programming and office.
3:20 "M3 Pro can no longer get 8TB of RAM" 💀
Oh my, what a bummer!
@@Wontreplyeverdontbother at least 5 Chrome tabs
Ahora la pregunta es: cual recomiendas entre el MACBOOK AIR M2 o MACBOOK PRO M3 ?? Tengo un macbook pro mid 2012 y ya está un poco lento (a pesar que tiene mejoras de SSD y RAM)... Saludos
A new chip with less cores and less memory bandwidth and still beating the M2 Pro means MORE efficient cores on less power.. That's no downgrade my dear Watson. That is a HUGE improvement.
Agreed. This will preserve the lifespan of the laptop too.
Well it beat the m2 pro in tests that aren't "like for like" and is barely an upgrade on "generic" benchmarks.
The former is honestly kind of weird because you'll basically never find say somebody reviewing rtx20xx cards comparing ray tracing performance to their gtx10xx cards, nor 40xx cards vs 30xx ones with DLSS3 enabled. The obvious meme to make is apple optimizes for influencer use cases, but more charitably maybe their users self select.
Either way this more seems to suggest to me that whether it's an improvement for you depends entirely on whether your use case aligns with what apple specifically optimized for.
really ? i use logic ,the less cores means it runs slower than the M2 pro according to this logic test
@@angusbabb4913 My Main use is Logic too, and it's been shown on James Zhan channel that Logic/Ableton can't use Efficiency Cores ( when Reaper can). For us Logic users, less performance core is immediate downgrade it seems, more than choice of processor. I will definiely lean toward M1 or M2pro or max. 8 perf core (with either 2 or 4 unused efficiency cores). One exception: People going for M3 Max are going to be happy though: 12 powerfull new performance core against 8 in previous generations. Otherwise, even just M1pro rules.
@@akin242002how so? Not disagreeing with you. I just don't know how less cores and less memory bandwidth mean longer lifespan?
I suspect that the M3 having fewer cores in the M3 Pro vs M2 Pro had to do with yield on the new 3nm process, not meant to be a slight to make the M3 Max look better. Still a shame. Seems the power efficiency gain is greater than the performance loss.
Reducing memory bandwidth (that they were so proud of when they introduced it in previous chips) is the biggest blow. But I get it. Probably just a tiny fraction of both users and developers that even make use of that insane bandwidth. I see the M3 as a first generation 3nm product, which they will learn a lot from. I expect big refinements in M4. And as Vision Pro rolls out, we have a new target platform for low power, low heat, max performance. Should motivate them to be on top of the game.
I came from the base m2 13” MBP and upgraded to the m3 pro and love it. I use it for work although not a “professional” I’m super happy with it (if I had the m2 14” prior I wouldn’t have upgraded) but in my case it was well worth it lol
I think there’s another reason why the M3 Pro has been changed so radically. I believe this chip is destined for the new iPad Pros to differentiate the IPad Pros from the Airs, which will only get the M3. iPads need more efficient chips and have worse thermals, so they can’t have too many performance cores, nor too many graphics cores. This chip ssems to be designed for power savings, something an iPad needs. The prices of the Pro and Max are too different for this to be an upsell only. Few people will spend an extra $1100 to go from a Pro to Max if they had been in the market for a Pro to begin with.
I’d be surprised if the M3 Pro was able to run well in an iPad with much smaller heatsinks and no fans. But I’m sure there is a reason for changing up the architecture in the way they did.
ipad pro / air have same chip BUT not same graphic performance . for ipad 15 perhaps not 1000§ ipad where 500§ will be to much
IMO it would have made more sense to upgrade the M3 base model to have 4P+8E cores and cut that down for the iPad Air instead of using 6P cores where you are going to need a fan regardless if you clock all 6 at higher speeds. Lastly does the iPad Pro really need a lot more power???
No probably not. The M1 / M2 Pro used to be just a cut-in-half version of the Max chip. Therefore the CPU was the same, just some GPU cores were cut off. Now they decided, to also differentiate between CPU performance, so if you are a CPU-heavy user, the performance of Pro and Max will not be the same anymore.
I think that’s a good point, but at the expense of the MacBook Pro’s performance? It seems like a risky move, especially considering how much more scrutinized the MBP is compared to the iPad Pro is, due to its different use-case scenarios.
As with the 16" M1 Max MBP (which I own), your Mic test reveals the audio to be rather muffled. It's lacking in Loudness versus your regular Mic, as it is versus my own Lav Mic. I am always left wondering why that is. Is it some kind of noise reduction Apple is using? It makes it hard to record the screen on my MBP while talking into the MBP's Mics and later integrating that audio seamlessly into a video I am editing in FCPX, where most of the audio was shot using my LAV mic. Even after boosting the Gain and adding Loudness, the MBP audio still doesn't sound anywhere close to the Loudness and clarity of my regular LAV mic. What are your thoughts about that?
Buenisimooo pensaba que la m2 pro y la m3 pro estaban a la par pero me equivoqué, como no tengo laptop en si, creo que si me convendrá mas la m3 pro, tocó invertir un poco mas pero se que valdrá la pena para los siguientes 6 años, tambien me gustó mucho la comparativa en cual se sobrecalentaba mas
I’d like to see a comparison between the binned M1 Pro vs binned M3 Pro. Also M3 Pro vs M3 Max, which I assume is coming soon. Most people upgrading are coming from M1 or older, so the comparison to M2 is incremental at best.
I would also have had a base level Fan speed set on both those machines, as You can clearly see you show that the Fans OFF at the top. MacFAN does a good job as pushing a RPM set speed for both fans in either macbook. My M1 Pro, I always have running at around 2400 RPM on both fans. Its not audible enough to worry you and it at least keeps airflow through the chassis.
I’ll be upgrading from a m1 air to a m3 pro. The promotion and redesign will keep me with the m3 for years and years
looking forward to the M3 max tests. Waiting on these to actually purchase mine.
Should be coming on Wednesday I think!
I really like how you just go straight to the point!
Good review and very helpful. Thanks a lot!
For lightroom, creating previews is the thing that takes the most time. That would be a really useful, real world benchmark for photographers, and used far more than exporting. Otherwise some great comparisons. Thanks
Same for video editing. I wish we would see how responsive timelines are, stabilization and noise reduction process smoothness and motion design tests in AE. I don’t care about a few minutes or seconds difference i export time personally
@exactly! I'm having such a hard time deciding because I'm a Windows user looking into getting a Mac for my AE motion design work but I need to make sure if it's worth getting the more expensive option. I understand it's almost always better but I'd be putting such a huge dent on my savings. 😅
Overall some gains with year over year bumps, but this was a bigger year for the change to 3nm IMO. Plus the M3 Ultra looks to be an absolute beast when it comes to market next year.
This has already been explained. Low yield means that the 2nm wafers have around 40-50% of chips that have subpar cores, so Apple has had to bin them rather than e-waste them and probably add more efficiency cores as the 3nm process has higher yield with the small cores. If Apple had not done this, we would have to wait 6-12 months for yields to get better and by then, the N3E/N3P M4 would be getting ready. Sometimes things don't go to plan but rather than give up again (already delayed by 6 months), they have given us the first taste of 3nm.
Hello former France!!! great review, like all your job. just a question, may be the battery difference is because you use the m2 pro since January, and it s a little more tired...?
The DAW performance issues aren't limited to Logic. ProTools and Studio One also appear to not use E cores. Reaper and Cubase use both P/E cores and are very close in performance.
I am on an M1 max, so it is much less of an issue as it's 8/2 P/E. For those with a 50/50 split, it's really unfortunate.
I think it's funny they removed extra ram pads to prevent Dosdude from developing a cheap ram upgrade method.
these were nand flash memory , not the ram, the ram is on the cpu soc.
I had a feeling this might be the case. The engineers know what they are doing, and I think they struck a real sweet spot between power and efficiency with this model.
what do you mean, can u elaborate pls
What I mean is that the M3 Pro saw the biggest change from its M2 sibling. It’s easy to say things like Apple took away 2 performance cores just to boost profit margins, or to force people to upgrade to the Max chip. But in my opinion, this M3 Pro chip strikes the best balance between improved performance and improved battery life. The performance numbers, battery results, and thermal results in this video seem to back up that statement.
@@robocobrabot Yes, this is exactly why I bought one. It's a new leap in efficiency with its 6 efficiency cores while still very powerful.
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I think they want people to buy aka Upspend .
I would love to see you do some kind of complex Xcode complier testing in the future. I'm a software developer and that's the main area where I'd love to see speed tests.
I come from a 2019 Macbook Pro 16inch with the strongest i7 and graphics card back then. I can now plug this pc to a monitor without the fans kicking in. I did literally nothing and just let it plugged into my monitor and the machine was running hot after time. On two monitors the fan kicked in so fast.
I really enjoy your videos. This one was very interesting, especially the detailed comparison between the M2 Pro and M3 Pro. It was really helpful to learn about their temperature and battery life, as I was curious about that.
Could you please compare the M2 Max and M3 Max next? I'm looking forward to it.
Yes will have that on Wednesday, I believe.
@@MaxTechOfficial Can you please do a comparison with the m2 pro running on low power mode until flat vs the m3 running on low power mode until flat so we can see how much longer runtime the m3 pro gets on lower power mode vs the m2 pro on low power mode thanks.
just bought brand new m1max 14" 64gb ram and 2tb ssd for $2500. m3 max is not mind blowing to me since m1max is still one of the best laptops out there for ux/ui designers and no need to spend over $4k for that "extra" performance. very happy with my purchase
You'll love it, have it and it's a rocket ship!
@@jimtipton8888yeah, i’m planning on using it 5+ years with this machine
@@Wontreplyeverdontbotherare you high lol. M2max with the same specs as mine goes above $3500 😂 you must be smoking something and $900 for my laptop?? Where are you shopping from, ali express? My spec laptop used still goes over $2k lmao
I also bought a second-hand 99% new m1 max 16" 32gb ram and 2tb ssd for $1950. Can't ask for more
@@jamonleecarter8698 Yeah, I agree. M1 Max with 64GB Ram and a 2 TB hard drive is not a $900 machine unless he came across a really dumb seller.
Finally!!!This is the video comparison for 3D that i needed - thank you!
Fyi, lower transistor counts doesn’t mean slower. Could mean they optimized the layouts of the logic gates reducing propagation delays. So less transistor counts
Great comparison! I hope the M3 Logic Pro performance can be fixed with a software update. Would it be possible for you guys to add Xcode and Unreal Engine to your comparison test plan for the M3Max?
Yes we will! The issue is that Xcode 15 no longer installs the iOS tools by default so the benchmark wasn’t working. We had to download an additional 7.2GB of files for the iOS tools.
Took way too long with our slow internet, so we had to skip it.
@@MaxTechOfficial Awesome! Thank you for these comparisons and tear downs. They really help me with deciding what to purchase. 👍
I’d love to see a comparison between the M3 Pro 12/18 and the M3 Max 14/30. I want to know if it’s worth it to spend the extra money or not.
If you do video editing I would go for it because you also get double the encoders. For photo editing the M2 Pro is also a very good choice. Even the binned one as you can see in this video.
Nah, for the price you can get the best windows laptop and a maxed out PC, apple users seem so eager to spend so much money on downgrade after downgrade.
@@marlo8850 I don’t want multiple devices though. I like Macbooks because I enjoy how they work in addition to the devices being significantly powerful, remarkably efficient, and well engineered all in a portable design. Everything plays into it. I’m willing to pay to get all that in one package and have that last me 7-10 years reasonably.
If I really wanted to keep the price low across multiple devices, I would just get a Mac mini and an iPad.
@@marlo8850And you still can’t edit on the go with that windows laptop which requires you to plug into a wall to actually work? Do people not understand what a laptop is for?
@@ghost-user559 The battery argument is BS, both a macbook or my Laptop will last exactly 2 hours before turning off when running a stress test. If the workload isnt heavy mine will last 8 hours or so. Besides if im on the go im either on the train sitting right next to a power outlet, even the trams here have em or im in a car where I should be focused on driving, also on the go is not a good work enviornment id merely do some writing and that I can do with my Ipad, which you could also add on top of the full PC, full laptop bill and still be lower than the M3 max laptop.
Great video. For photo editing, would any of your tests indicate performance differences with denoising using different software?
Great Video guys. Very informative as always. Please retest the Final Cut Pro part as soon as the new version of Final Cut ist available. Thanks
For battery comparison: Is the M2 Pro brand new out-of-the-box like the M3 Pro for this comparison? If not, I believe a disclaimer should be made regarding how many months of recharging are on the M2 Pro's life at time of recording
agree
It is about 8 months old so using Apple's 1000 charge cycle to 80% rule, then at worst it will be 95% with one charge a day, but as this is a test machine, probably nearer 100%.
for comparaison m2pro have 1 year of bios and OS optimisation... and like said work more on m3pro during video
look forward to see a solid benchmark of M3 Max 16" compared M1 Max and/or M2 Max^^ (gaming too)
if gaming is a priority you ought to look elsewhere
Thanks for doing the Logic Pro benchmark, really appreciate lengths you guys go to do all sorts of real world tests, as always you guy are the best!!
Such an engaging review. Max is it worth upgrading from the M1 macbook pro base model and what would you recommend. thanks
Max, please do a battery comparison between M3,M3 Pro,M3 Max!
Great review! There isn't much incentive for M2 Pro owners to upgrade to the M3 Pro of course but I'd say the improvements are substantial enough to discard the "M3 Pro is a dud" nonsense, especially once you also factor in ~20% better battery life and lower surface temps. People upgrading from Intel will be very happy. I just wish they'd offer more than 36 GB of RAM without requiring an M3 Max.
Can you imagine what it would be like upgrading from Intel now? Wow.
Upgrading from an M1 gen just became a lot more interesting. I agree. Great Review!
@@movieblues4614 I still have an intel because the machine would cost me $3.8 grand for what I need. Like the other commentor mentioned, they should allow ram to be increased without requiring higher end chips. The M3 or M3 pro should be allowed to get to 64gb.
@@markw496 No criticism intended. You can pick up an m1 ultra studio w/ 64 gigs of RAM for about 2.8K. On the other hand you could take home a Pro for a few days, and return it if it's RAM limited. Just suggestions.
Which apple stores allow returns? We can't do that in Hong Kong.
thanks for this comparison! can you tell me how many external monitors @ 4k can we connect with M2 pro vs M2 max vs M3 pro vs M3 max (4 external monitors)? this would be super helpful !
thanks for the review, I was thinking in upgrading to the M3 pro from my 2018 mac pro and was looking for a video like this to view other options
Got M3 pro? How’s it?
@@salahudeenahmadokikiola5919 Sorry I haven't, for personal reasons I had to delay the upgrade and now I'm starting to think it's better to wait for the M4 macbooks
Was waiting for that comparison and really skeptical about all that criticism before even testing it.
Respect for the “We were wrong”!
they are always wrong. Dont watch early reviews. Wait 2 weeks to save yourself the time with all these CZcams view hustlers.
This is just the comparo I was looking for! I was leaning towards the refurbished M2 Pro, but now am leaning towards the M3 Pro. While not a big gamer per se, I would like to be able to play Baldur's Gate 3. Was worried about the reduced GPU cores on the M3. But it looks like it should handle it just fine, due to the results of all the other tests. Thanks for doing all these tests between the two. Now will keep looking for any deals I can find on the 14" M3 Macbook Pro. Because right now I do think the extra $$ will be worth it in the long run. Thanks!
tbh, i'm playing BG3 on my M1 Pro MBP at Larian's recommended settings (ultra to high) and it runs really well.
I just pulled the trigger on an open box m2 pro 14" for about $500 less than a new m3 pro 14" and after seeing this Im doubting I made the right call. apple rates them both with the same battery life but these guys got a huge difference.
unless you plan on using the ray-tracing cores for something, the new M3 Pro might not be faster in gaming.
Thanks for the video. It's a lot of good information and a lot of good tests. Thank you guys. When comparing the battery life, how many cycles between M2 and M3 pro PCs?
Great videos, guys. Are you guys planning to compare thermal issues between a 16" M2 Max and a 16" M3 Max?
A common theme for the gpu, is that it is generally slower in rasterization and compute tasks, but faster in RT workloads, if you test games, gfx bench, UE5, the M3 pro is in unfortunately general slower. Kind of a sidegrade this generation as the base M2 Pro was never slower than the full M1 pro. But if your workload revolves around RT then it’s a no brainer
I mentioned in another comment but the GPU is slower because there are just fewer GPU cores on the M3 Pro. The base model M3 Pro in particularly only has 14 GPU core which is a fair bit lower than M2 Pro base (16 cores). From reviews etc, I think the fully maxed out M3 Pro (18 GPU cores) should perform better than maxed M2 Pro (19 GPU cores) across the board, because the M3 GPU should be strictly better than M2 GPU per core. The dynamic caching feature is there to explicitly make video game / rendering faster as it allows for better utilization of the hardware. (It's harder to write video game shaders that can do that without this feature)
Even MKBHD did not see the point to upgrade from M1...
I got the unbinned M3 pro and curious if you are going to do more of a detailed comparison of the binned vs unbinned model. I ran cinebench 2024 and got 1053 multicore and 6089 gpu, which is notably more than the scores you showed in this video.
Can you please make a comparison video between the M1 Max and the M3 Pro/M3 Max? I'm curious whether the 400Gb/s memory bandwidth on the M1 Max can hold it to decent performance levels, and there is no need to upgrade. Please and thank you.
Great video. So pleased with your results. Some reviewers were quick to say the M3 pro was a 'dud' (i.e no better than M2 pro) but you have shown how good it is. Do you think the 16" M3 pro would be much different, maybe thermally better? I upgraded from 2019 Intel MBP so M3 pro MBP is 300% faster on Geekbench score.
Bigger chassis means better thermal normally.
I upgrade from a dual core i5 from 2014... M3pro and 36 of ram. Don't know the percentage but I think is unreal boost 😅
@@davide88rn nice and plenty of ram there.😀 The point is the M3 is an upgrade to tempt out the intel MacBook owners not so much M1 or M2 MacBook owners
@@pauljazzman408 I'm one of those, I would like to wait for an M3 air but I need the laptop now so I'll go all in for an m3pro. I hope is not too much bigger around the world that the air
@@davide88rn if you’re considering the air then the base M3 pro would be a step up. I was really referring to the M3 Pro MacBook Pro (pro pro pro)
Thanks for bringing up all possible combinations of comparisions. Without this many people would have been misguided by Apple's marketing tricks. Your reseach definitely helps a ton to take an informed decision. I always keep waiting for your comparision videos.
this is a great comparision, I have the M3 pro /1tb as well. Was worried about the TBW and ssd life but I wrote a script that pops up a alert on estimated lifetime based on TBW since purchase. Good to say, not terribly worried, so far, need a few more moths of data still.
I think that for some people, how well, some Virtualisation software works on M3 is a key issue. Mac Intel virtualisation is a big plus for some software, like Revit that people use via Parallels x86 with dedicated AMD graphic cards. How that software works on Macs with M3? Parallels for Apple Silicon runs Windows for ARM, not the x86 version.
Luckily for my workflow which is more single core reliant, the M3pro has been a considerable bump in single core performance, overall responsiveness, and efficiency over M2 but I definitely don’t like Apple has been pulling these slight downgrades on paper
Good Review. I have been using my new MBP M3 Pro equipped with the unbinned M3 Pro chip coupled to 36 GB of unified memory and 1 TB of SSD storage. This machine FLYs with all that ram. Suffice it to say, I am one happy new owner of a very nice Space Black 14" MBP. PS Windows 11 on ARM in a Parallels Desktop 19 virtual machine (configured to 4 CPU cores/8 GB or ram) boots in 9 seconds and useful work ia available after 15 seconds from initial boot up. I have been impressed.
Hi Max, excellent vid, can you make a more detailed video about m3 max vs m3 max with some detailed comparisons regarding Logic Pro X cpu performance? (Giving more focus to single core performance)?
Thanks
When and where is the best place to get an M2 Pro? Not see much of a discount on some websites.
It seems these days "professionals" are never happy. Which is a shame because there is so much joy to be found in feeling happy. Apple would be foolish not to increase the performance.
I can see the M3 Pro not being worth it if you have an M2 pro or even M1 pro for some people, but as I'm going to be coming from an intel i5 macbook pro i think the M3 will be well worth the money, even if its just for the color alone haha
So far as the speakers, they need time to break in. It’s a fact that speakers sound better after months of use.
Amazing review! 💥
Where can I get the Logic Pro benchmark to test for myself?
github.com/devMEremenko/XcodeBenchmark
And for $200 more, I think the M3 Pro with 12-Core CPU and 18-Core GPU is going to be a killer machine, specially when it comes out into the Mac Mini 😍
I'd love to see a comparison between these two options.
As someone who took delivery of a new 14-inch M2 pro on September 29 (upgrading from a 2014 MacBook Air); this new M3 family of MacBook Pros has been an unexpected and interesting release (lol).
It seems as though apple silicon has bought the mac out of it's slumber, and back onto the 'noticeable improvements every year' bandwagon that iPhones and iPads have experienced since 2010. This is good. Anytime someone needs a new mac, apple will now have good products on offer that will comfortably run the latest software for years to come. We'll just have to get used to apple's regular 'tick, tick, tick' of noticeable and iterative improvements that the mac, honestly, hasn't seen for years.
Still using a 16 inch M1 Max - still works great and is plenty fast for photo editing and video editing.
It seems like all reviewers make the We were WRONG video nowadays🤣😂😂
I expected a bigger improvement in the Ray tracing tests, the M2 did very well for using software raytracing
You know what I would really love to see.. a back to back comparison between the Macbook pro m3max with the Alienware M8 with the 4090....
This space black color looks gorgeous. Speakers sounds similar to me. During battery test please use same wallpaper, M3 has darker wallpaper.
Doesnt matter since its not OLED
This is a pleasant surprise in favor of the M3 Pro chip MBP. For the M4 Pro chip, I think they should add a couple more p-cores to the unbinned chip making it 8 p-cores and 6 efficiency cores.
You mean the M2? You’d be insane to buy the M3, pay more get less? That’s just dumb.
@@marlo8850 I was saying that I was pleasantly surprised that the M3 pro chip model here did so well than what was originally talk about. I'm not even thinking about buying any M3 model because yes you do get less here thanks to Apple's degrade to this MBP model. I'm personally waiting for the M4 line up and hopefully they go back to where the bandwidth and other specs were like with the M1 and M2 models.
@@marlo8850m3 is better cope harder😭😭
@@marlo8850more efficiency cores while having more performance+ 2gb of ram, its a lot better stop trying to cope with ur purchase
@@okay7332 my purchase was a windows Laptop more powerful and cheaper than this thing, youre coping and I can chose how much ram I want, I currently have 64Gb or the Apple equivalent of a 2000$ option. I also have 8TB of replacable SSDs which are way faster than the ones apple uses.
6:51 I think the Metal Compute score is worse on M3 Pro because these are the base models. Base M2 Pro / M3 Pro have 16 and 14 GPU cores respectively, so it's a 12.5% reduction in core count for M3 Pro, which is a lot. If you get the fully maxed out M2 Pro / M3 Pro instead, they have 19 and 18 cores respectively (only 5.3% reduction in core count in M3 Pro), and from other benchmarks I have seen (e.g. from Ars Technica) I think the maxed out M3 Pro still produces better Geekbench Metal score, as each M3 GPU core is faster than the M2 ones.
8:20 The GPU performance improvement in M3 probably isn't due to ray tracing, as the Wild Life Extreme test you are doing doesn't use it I think (this way you get apples-to-apples comparison). It's probably due to generally more efficient GPU especially with the Dynamic Caching feature which allows apps/games to more fully utilize the hardware.
nice comment. Another thing that concerns me about the mbp 14" is whether I should get the m3 max on it. Does m3 max chip on it suffer throttling issue (compared to the 16"), like in previous gen max chip on 14" body?
@@tty2020 Yeah that's a good question. FWIW I think even on M1 Max, each increase in M1 Max core count produces better performance on the 14". They just aren't as good as the 16", but if you say compare 14" 32-core GPU M1 Max to 14" 24-core, the 32-core is still noticeably better (at least this is my observation playing multiplayer Baldur's Gate 3 with a friend side-by-side with identical settings/specs on 14" M1 Max MBPs other then 24 vs 32-core GPUs)
@@BrotherCheng Ah Max just had a new video out that answers exactly my question!
Finally a decent enough review about things that actually matter and not just clickbait nonesense
Thanks... i still love my M2 Pro 12 core for music production and other task... good review Max... 🎉🎉🎉
I have an M1 Pro with 32GB and 1TB, it's my go to if I need battery life for a project. Expensive but I never had a problem with it! M3 does look promising!
The difference is even smaller between them if you compare 12 core vs 12 core instead of 10 core vs 11 core.
M2 pro 12 core /19 core 16gb/1tb is the best value tbh
Hey Max! The good ole "Max Tech Formula" still seems to be on the books. Keep it up. Now, we're past the Doom & Gloom initial episode, we're heading towarew the Great & But Some Glitches, episode two and soon it will be the Home Run, Hurry, Buy this Gizo, Episode Three-Before they all run out & You'll be in Apple Heaven! Thanks to Orange Works Inc. of Silicon Valley we get to have at least three episodes of Max Tech Saturday Night Live from Microsoft Haven, Seattle, Washington! I luv it! 😎😎
Thank you for showing the blender renders I’m specifically getting the m3 for 3D work
For making the battery comparison fair, you should have used the same wallpapers on both machines. The dark one on the M3 Pro MBP should be much more power saving on the miniLED display 😊
it is affecting, but I guess the impact will not be dominating as this is a heavy duty test
@@MrZerg0403 In this case it may be true, but don‘t forget: Maksim cranked up the brightness to 100%, so the display will contribute significantly to the overall power consumption 🤓
But anyway: very good and interesting comparison 💚
I am deciding to by m3 or m3p purely on battery endurance. Still await for the comparison
@@MrZerg0403 Same for me 😂 I hope MAXTECH will test the battery enduramce using low power mode for the M3 flavour 🤩😌
Thanks for including Figma in your test! 👍🧑💻
You know what would be really AWESOME to see? A video doing a detailed comparison between a top spec Macbook Pro M3Max and a top spec Dell Precision 17"
I pulled the plug for M3P and glad that this is my machine... space black color is amazing.
They intentionally reduced the number of cores because it was too fast😂
I think the most telling thing here was the beta software that takes advantage of all the new features. Perhaps folks don’t know that, for instance, when Intel comes out with a new feature or instruction in new processors, they update the Intel Performance Primitives library to use that feature where it can be used. Until the software you’re using gets updated to use the new IPP that uses the new features, you won’t see the most performance increase everywhere.
All of that to say, run these tests again in, say, February, and you may have some different results. And for all the folks out there that need 140 tracks in Logic that can’t afford the extra cash for the Max chip… you need to learn to use your software better. Also, you’re not running a business, you are running a hobby.
So, I need a new machine for the sound studio. Looking at a mac mini m2pro 16gb, would it worth the wait for the new mac minis? For video I have the mac studio m2max (but thats in a different location).