Pirelli's 2022 Diablo Rosso IV Corsa is a real world easy to manage trackday tyre | MCN Review
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The Quattro Corsa sounds waaaaaaay better and badass!
The BIGGEST problem with the CORSA 2 is they drop off at 50% tread & under. If the Rosso IV Corsa solves this problem then it will be a fantastic road hyper sport tyre. Continental Race Attack 2 keeps its grip far longer than the Corsa 2.
Nobody talks abt it but it's so true
The Professor has spoken.Thanks.
I’m a big Michelin fan and would love to know your thoughts on how this compares to the Michelin Power GP that is highly rated too?!
same question, use Power GP right now, want to know how different bewteen these two tires
Probably far too late to answer, but just in case. I've typically run Diablo Corsa 3's for street and an occasional track day on a 2008 KTM Super Duke 990R. I tended to wear my fronts to a triangle, but he bike is primarily a street ride and not pushed hard there, so some chicken strip is inevitable. I also have a 2011 Suzuki GSX-R for coaching on track and doing track days. I favour Supercorsa SP's, usually SC2. I've also run them on my 2006 Aprilia SXV550 supermoto, replacing Q3's. They heat up pretty quick, but they're scary cold.
At the moment, I have Michelin Power GP's on the Suzuki. I got them cheap from a friend who bought a Ducati 848 with a fresh set and hated them. I've done a track day and a couple of coaching days with them. Compared to the Pirellis, I find them fine on the street, but a bit vague when pushed. Grip is fine and I think they're likely an equal performance wise to the Corsa 3's, but they feel less precise to me. I expect to teach another weekend to use them up before swapping back to Pirellis. Maybe Rosso 4's for the KTM, but probably back to Supercorsa SP's for the track bike. FWIW, I think the Pirelli is a better tire, but I doubt I'm a good enough rider to really exploit the margins. The Pirelli just feels better to me.
@@rgdd2000i agree, I have more confidence with the Pirelli’s.
Absolutely love the rosso 4, put a set on my Tuono and wow they are insane! Notably better than the rosso 3.
Did you get the Diablo Rosso IV Corsa?
I put a Rosso 4 rear to replace an aging and had a nail Bridgestone s21 and what a turnaround!!,the bike is a completely different animal,the amount of grip and confidence is on a different level,never felt that on the s21,even though they say it’s a good tire but never felt confident with it,now I have a hybrid rosso 3 front and rosso 4 rear and the bike just wants to lean effortlessly with so much grip even when the tires aren’t worm enough to generate grip
s21 worst ever
Thank you! great review and feed back on the Rosso 4 Corsa, ... appreciated, Pirelli rocks and so do your reviews, greetings from Still Bay, South Africa!
I have Roso corsas 2 on my RS 660 and absolutely love them! There amazing on road (I mainly do spirited road rides). The main "downside" is they need changing fairly often about ~9000km and especially if I run them on the highway the tire wares out down the middle and becomes more flat less corner responsive until you ware out the sides. I generally try to avoid that.
I'm due for another new set in about 2000km so I can hardly wait to try the new 4'rs. I would say between these and the Michelin GP the Pirelli's are more stable at lean and quite a bit faster around corners. The general consensus among the ppl I ride with is that Pirelli's are better overall and thus safer if you do stupid things at the extreme but you are trading $ and convenience for that safety and performance.
If you get 9000km out of a performance tire, raise your hands and pray the Lord.
I have been putting Super Corsa SP V2's on my bike for like almost 5 years now. I have an old 99 GSXR 750 SRAD. I'm 63 but I can lean that bike over to it's limit, but I always end up wearing out the center of the tire every season ... so ... I JUST order this tires in this review for $603.23 here in Canada. Free shipping, 15% tax and $9.00 for recycling fee.
Please tell how u think the tires work. I also gonna order corsa 4 and im coming from supercorsa sp v3. Im a little bit worried about the traction on the front. The supercorsas are perfekt except the wearing.
Bless!
@@livetborjarefter1504 I just subscribed to your channel so I will be able to find you. The tires don't show up till the end of the month. I will have them on as soon as they get here.
I feel that the tires will actually be better because I cannot get my SuperCorsa's up to temperture on the street unless it's a Canadian hot day, which is around 25 Celcius or more, and I have driven hard for a while to truly get them hot before I will attempt my full, maximum lean angles.
With these new tires, because of their design, I'm expecting them to get up to temperture quicker, in cooler weather. This way I will feel comfortable leaning when it's not a super hot day out.
I have NEVER had my SuperCorsa's slide out from agressive driving, that is why I love them, the tires are better than my bravery.
I was practicing high speed panic stops on the highway on day and after the 4th panic stop/slow down, the front tire actually did break free and start to wash out, I had to release that front brake immediatly, but that was AFTER 4 serious panic stops...so I love these tires for what they do.
The thing that sold me about these tires is the fact that in this video, the guy says that if you didn't tell him he was on Rosso IV's, he would have thought they were Supercorsa's .. that was all I needed to hear. I will feel even more comfortable now, knowing that they are up to temperture more easily than the SuperCorsa's.
If I notice any drop in traction, any scary , OMG moments, I'll be sure to contact you and let you know brother. Take Care and God Bless from Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.
2500 miles and mine are looking pretty lean. I’m going back to Rosso IV. The Corsa are fun, I need slightly more wear.
Would you say these are better for spirited road riding/track days than the Rosso Corsa 2? The Rosso 4 Corsa seems to be the direct replacement for those, but I'm not sure whether it'd be worth changing to them when this set of tyres is toast.
Thanks for the video, Neevesy. 👍🏻
I wonder if the Rosso 4 corsa is the replacement of the Rosso Corsa 2, because the Rosso lineup was starting to be a bit confusing.
@@weed46 I'd say he hot it wrong, the Corsa 2 is what he's describing, they didn't skip the Rosso 3, they've been out for ages
@@mistadobalina1093Rosso 3 is another tier more road focued, nothing to do with the "corsa" models
He said in the video they’re better than the previous Rosso corsa 2 in every way.
@@mistadobalina1093 what he is saying is they decided to call them Rosso 4 Corsa because the previous model which was the Rosso Corsa 2 was out at the same time as the more road focused Rosso 3.
So when they brought out the Rosso 4 instead of having the new Rosso Corsa 3 they decided to call it the Rosso 4 Corsa which they obviously thought would help people decide and tell what’s what.
So to clarify, the Pirelli Rosso 3 is superseded by the Pirelli Rosso 4 and the Pirelli Rosso Corsa 2 is superseded by the Pirelli Rosso 4 Corsa.
Pirelli need to remove of the "Rosso" for the Corsa tires. Everyone gets confused between the Rosso vs Rosso Corsa tires.
Rosso -> rosso corsa -> supercorsa. Simple and easy 👍
It makes it difficult when searching details on the internet, thats for sure
Needs the Rosso to tell you it’s not a full Corsa. Both names so you know what it is. It’s both
What about the wet performance and durability, is it better then the Corsa 2s?
These came stock on my 24 SFV4S and they’re amazing.
Tyres are so subjective, I ran a motorcycle website from 2002-2012 and I'd always get asked whats the best tyre for ??? but it's such a personal thing, what feels good on one bike for a rider, may not be the same for another either on the same model bike or a different bike and, having been riding since the 80's I had Pirelli Phantoms on 2 bikes back then which tbh, weren't the best, for wet grip.
Having tried many, many different brands of tyre, over the years fast forward to 2012 I had Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsa on my GSXR1000 and what a tyre, even in pi$$ing down rain for a road come full on ability minimal treaded track day tyre they were awesome, cannot rate those highly enough.
So much in fact Pirelli are the only tyres I now fit to my bikes, even the Angel is a really grippy tyre come wet or dry, I currently have Pirelli Diablo on my current bike and they are so confidence inspiring even on cold tarmac, but tyre technology has improved immeasurably in even the last 10 years.
The rear tyre of the Diablo Rosso 2 Corsa was TRIPLE compound….. Seems strange they’ve gone back to dual compound for the new Rosso 4 Corsa….? Especially considering the 2 has been a brilliant tyre for both grip and longevity…
It’s basically same thing. You could say the rear is triple if you count from one side to the other, but there are only two compounds: hard in middle, soft on edges.
@@neevesybikes the rosso corsa 2 is 3 compounds 5 zones in the rear.
I run RC2 in my S1000RR and they are brilliant and last a long time. I have difficulties in believing that the R4C will last the same in the center.
I will test first on my MT09SP
I think the new Rosso 4 Corsa is also a 3 compound 5 zone tyre but only on tyres that are 190 width and above.
@@MW_1981 that's not in the pirelli website. Only for the rosso 4
@@DJSixty Oh, thanks for the info. I read somewhere yesterday that they're 3 compound. I'm about to replace my rear Super Corsa so may just get the Rosso 4 then.
im curios, did you get to test Rosso Corsa 1 or 2 back to back against new Diablo Rosso IV Corsa ? seams pointless to ride a new tire with no reference points ?
I bet the Rosso IV Corsa is based on the Supercorsa SP v3. Just added alot more silca compound in the middle :P
A year later and I happen to Have a pair of Rosso IV Corsa on my M1000R. Did I hear Michael say he runs 36psi front and rear?
I have discovered that the hardest thing to establish when choosing tyres is not the brand or model, but the tyre pressure for road riding.
I even emailed Pirelli via their helpline recently, and they suggeted 2psi under at each end compared to my road pressures suggested by BMW when doing a track day. BMW, like all marques, seem to suggest 36F & 42R. Then you go to a track day and ask around and everyone is different.
I think 36 & 42 is too much for road pressures for my 86Kg, and usually ride with 33F & 38R. I dunno, really. It's a nightmare.
@neevesybikes have you had chance to test the Michelin Power GP tyres to compare against these?
It would be really interesting to hear your thoughts on how they compare!
I currently run a Triumph Speed Triple 1200RS which I’ve had the suspension fully re-sprung and re-valved however I’m looking to replace the stock Metzeler Racetec K3’s with something abit more road biased.
I had the Michelin Power RS’s on my old 2017 Tuono V4 factory and did highly rate them!
Many thanks,
Scott.
I'd put "Road compound trackday" tires and "sport" under 1 category, and shift the whole thing down, Sport touring tyres will comfortable do a few trackdays a year, the 3rd category in my mind are you budget oriented commuter tires, the likes of Continental Conti motions, Pirelli Angel Citys, Dunlop GPR 300s, also there most definitely are Rosso 3s, unless you're talking about the corsa variants specifically
We'll, I just mounted Rosso Corsa II's. Didn't even see these. Hope they last but I'll be getting these next. Thanks
I'm asking because I respect your opinion. What street legal tire would you buy to make your best lap time on the track?
Basically they did what Michelin did with the PilotSport 4S where it replaces the Pilot SuperSport but adopts the naming of the 'lower' Pilot Sport series. There's the PilotSport 4 & 4S and Rosso IV & IV Corsa.
may i know rosso iv are suitable for track use for intermediate rider? i have concern regarding this rosso iv suitable or not for track use, especially for beginner or intermediate rider. hope can get your opinion
New wannabe track day rider here. Would these Rosso IV Corsa's need tyre warmers for a track day or could I get off without needing them?
You don't need a warmer if you do a warm up lap. I used them when I got mybroad racing license, worked as a charm.
This replaces the Rosso Corsa II. Not to be confused with the 'non-Corsa' Rosso which is already at version IV. But seems Pirelli trying to streamline it by calling this new tyre Rosso IV Corsa. so anything with Corsa in it's name will be more suited for track
How would it compare to the Dunlop Q4?
That was a great review and really clearly broken down, thank you.
How do these compare to the S22 (especially for grip) and where on your scale of Sports tourer/sports/in between/track day does the S22 fit?
Wondering the same, Ive been running s22s for 3 years now and my local shop offered the Rosso 4s for 50% off so I just bought a set. Going to the tail of the dragon in 2 weeks so ill find out then.
they will grip better but not last as long as S22. S22 is just like the regular Rosso 4
@@paxtonpatterson1049how did you like the Rosso 4s? I’m deciding between those, the Rosso 4 corsas and supercorsas for my 675r pretty soon
@@Cook9698 correction I ended up getting the Rosso 4 corsas. Much better than the s22s honestly no comparison. Corsas hooked up much better. I believe they will last a little longer than the super corsas too if that makes a difference to you.
How do these compare to the Rosso Corsa II
This is just a commercial
He literally says it in the video
It would be nice to get an idea of how quick these tyres get up to temp. I've been using Corsa SPs and they work great in our dry winters where I live compared to the Rosso Corsa IIs.
I carry an infared temperture monitor in my cubby hole under my seat. I have pulled over and checked the tires right away and they were 150 degrees so, now I can just feel the tire and know that I'm in the sweet spot and then I let her rip.
Great info, Thx. Which Perelli would you say is the most comparable to the BattlAx S22?
On a bike like an R7 do you think it’s too slow to get any benefits out of a Rosso corsa 4? I’m on Rosso 4 now. Combination or road and track days. Wondering if I should try the corsa. Any insight on this?
So how does it compare to Dunlop Q3+ or Q4
Do Rosso 4 Corsa last longer than SuperCorsa SP? Supercorsas gets expensive af to run TD on.
I still think the Rosso Corsa 2 is where it’s at with the Tri compound tire
I just bought the rosso 4... guess I'll have to wait till these come available in stores and till these 4 are done.
Yeah I'm in Canada, and this tire is literally non existent at the moment. Can't get it anywhere unless i use a Euro website and pay over $100 for shipping lol.
Do you really want a dual compound front on a tire that's probably going to spend significant time on the track?
Pirelli need to simplify the naming conventions in a big way - Becoming a shambles with this addition
correct, it is very complicated, I had a bike that had the II as the OEM tyre and do you think you could make heads or tails of it all in the Pirelli world? I unfortunately settled for the Angel GT which was ok but I could not find the direct replacement for nor love nor money. Pirelli are very lucky I am biased to them and that they did not loose my patronage.
Thanks for review ,rosso4 or metzeler m9 ? Review
Hi mate, could you tell me which Pirelli tire is equivalent to Metzeler M9 Sportec, Rosso IV Corsa or just Rosso IV? Thanks,
I just spent over an HOUR just trying to find out what basic pressure I should set my Diablo Rosso IV Corsa's for the STREET, not a RACE TRACK. I'm not on a racetrack, I'm on the damn street. There is not a page, a video, a .pdf download to tell me what to do ... this is damn frustrating.
I have a very old bike, so I can't go by what the bike says. I have a 1999 Suzuki GSXR-750 that says set the pressure's to 36 front and back, but those pressures are looking like they are too high for modern tires.
I'm 180 lbs, it's summer here 70 to 80 degrees here, I drive fast and love to lean the bike until there are no chicken strips. Yesterday I drove for 3 hours straight, on back roads at almost double the speed limit for half the time, max speed was 230kph, and all this at 36 psi on my SuperCorsa's ... but I really want to know where to find a pressure chart for Perilli tires for the STREET .... grrrrrrr.
Start with what the manual says and check them after a session. If you have cold or warm tear, adjust the pressure accordingly
Lets get that demo day video! Naked bikes too! Bro u look nice n all but I wana see all the bikes
So where is the supercorsa v3 sp then?
NO Lap time comparison?
Can I put this on my FJ-09? I track day it.
I find the tyre thing a headache. I have RS11 standard fit on my ZX10R and they feel a little extreme for the road I don't think I get heat into them. would a Rosso Corsa be better? I want something that heats up on the road and gives good feel.
Depends on how hard you go, but yes if you want some blend of track and street, Rosso Corsa 2 would work great for you. If you don't track day, get S22 Bridgestones.
@@douglasw4082 Love the s22, even on track. Currently running pirelli sp v3. Definitely more grip in dry/warm weather but wear out quicker and I try to avoid rain😁
@@douglasw4082 or the Rosso IV
Rs11 is manly track tyre 1k hard riding on road the rosso 4 corsa better for road and maybe about 2k miles
Pirelli does make the rosso 3, just recently released the rosso 4. So does this slot in between the rosso 4 and the rosso corsa 2? Or is this the replacement for rosso corsa 2?
1:40 he explains it
Rosso Corsa 2 replacement
@@neevesybikes ok so you mean they skipped the rosso corsa 2 and went straight to rosso 4 corsa. Pirelli naming conventions are really confusing. For only hard canyon riding, this, rosso 4, rosso 4 corsa, or s22? Or go sports touring? I'm currently on mitas sports force plus.
@@neevesybikes czcams.com/video/YBZmMstdFrc/video.html
@@motorjack141 they went from RC2 to RC4 and skipped 3.
how many laps can it stand
Sound like Pirelli version of the Q3+ 👍🤔
Can someone tell me the difference between Rosso 4, S22 and M9 RR? For road sporty riding but and cold weather. Not raining, just cold
You’ve probably sorted this, but the the Corsas are streets ahead of the M9 in terms of grip and stability. I’m a fast road rider and need confidence at kneedown lean and the Corsa 4 rear has it all, I currently have a supercorsa SP on the front, but I’m due a Corsa 4 on next week. Hope this helps even if it is late!
Just about keeping up (naming conventions) had to replay a few times. What about road mileage ? 5,000 miles?
2500ish
It's the Corsa 2 it's replacing tho isn't it? The Rosso 2, 3 are the shitty Pilot Powers type compound
These over the Rosso 4 and supercorsa SP? Need to change up on the Panigale and mostly road riding. Supercorsas seem to get eaten in Uk roads
What tyres did you end up putting on?.. having the same issue, sc sp arent really good all year round
@@Generalhydro420another Supercorsa SP 😂
What tyre do u recommend I have an mt07
Late reply but Bridgestone S22'S are always the safest bet or if you see them marked down the S21's or if you don't mind trading some wet performance the Dunlop Q3+ are great sporty choice.
Though if you're popping wheelies and burning rubber all day look at sport touring like the Angel GT's.
@Tyler Braden Are you in a year round riding region? I'm curious how the Corsa 4 compare to the Corsa 2?
I still have like 2K left on my Supercorsa but will likely be switching.
From Pirelli's wording it sounds like they have traded a bit of wet performance compared to the 2's?
Which is all I really want I don't need good wet grip just passable, I fishtail everytime I take off with the Supercorsa with just moderate throttle in the damp.
How do they compare to the S22?
They’re one rung further up the ladder towards track tyres, so they’re sportier.
@@neevesybikes thanks for the feedback.
This is too long is better than the CORSA 2 or not???
So they made a Dunlop Q3+
is it more durable than the diablo rosso corsa 2 or roughly same ?
Hi MCN, Is the Rosso 4 Corsa a replacement of the Rosso Corsa 2? If not, how do they differ? Thanks :)
Yes it is.
Where is track video
What is the Metzler equivalent. Seeing as they are sister companies.
Metzeler racetec RR race tyres homologated for road use, 2014.
There isn’t one. Metzeler only make the sports and trackday rubber, not the one in between…
@@neevesybikes I don't agree with you. Racetec RR is a Roadracing tyre specificly built for regular roads to "race" on. That means the compund is made for much lower temperatures and regular road conditions. Much like TT island of man.
@@mathiashammar1 no, the K3 Racetec is road compound (and standard on lots of road bikes) and the K2 & K1 are for racing.
Racetec K3 is equivalent to the Supercorsa SP (or used to be after Pirelli introduced the SC3 quite recently). M9RR is equivalent to the Rosso IV. Metzeler doesn't have an equivalent to the Rosso IV Corsa.
@neevesybikes was it 36psi hot or cold?
Cold
@@neevesybikes thanks for that. Your colleague explained pressures on the day in a bit more depth here... And you featured in his vid too!
czcams.com/video/CHz2CnHWMrM/video.html
Damn just put on a new pair of Corsa 2
Same here lol, if it helps I don’t think the public are going to see them for a month or so
Pirelli' tyre nomenclature is out of control.
What a mess the pirelli lineup is. 🙄
Metzeler M9 RACETEC™ RR would own them I bet. From the pic you tested on a S1KRR with all the electronics?
Just don't use them in the wet UltimateMotorcycling crashed a ZX6R during their press review tests and had to close that portion of the course. Bennett's missed out testing the wet performance because of this but also commented they felt very dicey when cold and were saved only by the bikes traction control at one point.
Definitely not a tire I would use in a location with highly variable weather.
Now Arizona or somewhere though they'd probably be amazing.