I think there was a video related to memory not long ago. I think I commented. Recently, I have been thinking about memory a lot. One reason is that I've reached an age when lapses of memory are all too common, finding the word I want, remembering the name of a celebrity, not realizing I've done something or forgetting why I have come to a certain room. These are things that older people laugh about together. However, for all my life, I have not had the kind of memory people around me seem to have. I remember facts, oodles of information about topics that interest me or I have studied in depth, how to do things. I remember events that changed my mind about life or affected specific relationships, usually negatively. I remember great embarrassments in the past, some conflicts. I remember the stories I've chosen to tell and retell over the years. Other people seem to remember shared events or activities in great detail, the stories of friends, even. They remember places visited and times. This is where my memory has always been lacking. I just don't often remember these kinds of things. It's been a frustration to people who know me. Lately, I've had a theory about it. I think it may be because I am not always present when things are happening. Though I am physically present and engaged, I think my mind wanders. I think I am not fully present mentally. I'm dreaming (day dreaming) or working out problems in my mind. I am not thinking much about what I'm doing. Most of the time, I do what I do in my body in a robotic or rote way, following specific patterns that I've established to be efficient, but my mind is otherwise engaged, thinking. I have no other way to explain it. Unlike the new lapses due to age, this life-long lack of retention has never bothered me unless someone has challenged me to reminisce and I draw a blank. Their astonishment is disconcerting. That's my experience, and I think it might have something to do with being an INFJ.
Just read a great line in your current book. “To spiritualise the world is to illuminate it with the meaning that science confiscates “. Love that! Maybe do a video on the topic of spirituality, sure you have done already, but more in light of your new book.
I have a very poor factual memory. This has been the biggest problem in my life and even a source of insecurity for me. It makes it difficult for me to study when I need to remember something but don’t understand the context or am not interested in it. However, I have a wonderful memory for faces; I see images, but not in detail. Perhaps it’s because faces are also patterns. Then I learned about cognitive functions. Now I know that I have conceptual memory, with memories like frames. Every time I need to recall something, I look for the right frame in the feed in my head. I have memory on demand) Even Ni in my mind has a visual presentation similar to an ever-flying spark. This turned out to be very useful for working with visual content, systems. Although I read a lot of books this year, unfortunately, I remember almost nothing, at best just the main idea, some insights, and the general impression of the book(
Well, it depends on who you compare us to and what type of memory you are referring to. Si-Ne types *typically* take it a broader scope of reality and absorb more detail and retain it than Ni-Se folks who take in a narrower, more focused scope of reality. My ISTJ wife takes in and remembers things that are even casually important to her, like who drives what, as she passed them; where gas is less expensive this week compared to last week; is a human GPS and phone directory. I am not that way at all. While I might remember the exact color of someone’s eyes or that their grandson moved to Chicago, if put on the spot. I may or may not be able to conjure their NAME at will. It’s a less reliable memory and certainly a memory based on a “zoomed in” focus. I can memorize with some effort and what I memorized may be there forever (my high school girlfriend’s phone number) or may be fleeting (your phone number you gave me, two minutes ago). It doesn’t mean I don’t care. It’s a very unreliable memory. Remembering jokes and stories in sequence and context can be difficult, as well. Timelines? If you asked me this second what month and year my grandmother died, I’d have to make NiTi associations (do the logical math). “Well, my son was in a baby carrier at the funeral and he was born in 2000, so it had to be 2001, but what month? I have no idea, other than it wasn’t cold…” Specific, Si details are evasive and my wife can bring these details to light in a flash.
My ENFJ girlfriend has PolR Si (non existant shadow) and she really has an absolute shit memory when it comes to let's say her past. She can not remember toys she had or any particular things she played. It's impossible for me to forever forget that. She can say very generic things like 'brother was on computer in own room' and 'brotha was this and this sort of person', but they're not really memories. They're more like generalizatoins based on memories. She's a really optimistic person, so the benefit is that maybe this is why. If you remember less, you forget the negatives too and am not holding back because of them
You've met my 2nd wife then, Ren? Sensors are always saying this, not realizing we see the world differently and it's NOT pathology. I will say Fi & Ne version 1.0 ARE pretty clunky. Like using Notepad in Windows as your word processor. We do remember more of what's near & dear in our minds. I'm generally more 'democratic' in my memory scope as you put it, although I can go to 'laser' focus as needed and often do, since I do detail work. BTW, got the new book and started on it!
I agree to all this. I always thought I had horrible memory until I realized that when I misplace something (no fault of my own) I remember EVERY DETAIL I did or others around me did when I "misplace" the thing. Only to figure out that someone took the item and place it somewhere else without me knowing until I think back on it. The best way I can describe my memory is that it's a messy but organized room and that memory recall is insanely easy for me to get back on. This is helpful against narcissist but not helpful when it comes to cringe attacks so our memories are a double edge sword (wand?) 😂.
Has anyone else got a really good auditory memory? If I am interested in something someone is saying I kind of record it and can play it back to myself years later
I agree that it gets overstated. Well, I do struggle with remembering a lot of small details. I feel like longer term memories have a dream like quality to them too, they're based on something experienced but intuition is also filling in a lot of gaps. The broad factuality of a memory can be questionable but you can still obtain insight from it.
I agree with you, Ren ! I have never been convinced by some typilogists ,that we Infjs have terrible memories. My own personal relationship with the past is solid. I have never understood why we are depicted this way ! I myself tend to remember things that even Si doms have long forgotten ! So yeah, I don't think memory is tied directly to introverted sensing. SFJs don't nessesarily possess impeccable memories the way the system describes them.
I think there was a video related to memory not long ago. I think I commented. Recently, I have been thinking about memory a lot. One reason is that I've reached an age when lapses of memory are all too common, finding the word I want, remembering the name of a celebrity, not realizing I've done something or forgetting why I have come to a certain room. These are things that older people laugh about together.
However, for all my life, I have not had the kind of memory people around me seem to have. I remember facts, oodles of information about topics that interest me or I have studied in depth, how to do things. I remember events that changed my mind about life or affected specific relationships, usually negatively. I remember great embarrassments in the past, some conflicts. I remember the stories I've chosen to tell and retell over the years. Other people seem to remember shared events or activities in great detail, the stories of friends, even. They remember places visited and times. This is where my memory has always been lacking. I just don't often remember these kinds of things. It's been a frustration to people who know me.
Lately, I've had a theory about it. I think it may be because I am not always present when things are happening. Though I am physically present and engaged, I think my mind wanders. I think I am not fully present mentally. I'm dreaming (day dreaming) or working out problems in my mind. I am not thinking much about what I'm doing. Most of the time, I do what I do in my body in a robotic or rote way, following specific patterns that I've established to be efficient, but my mind is otherwise engaged, thinking. I have no other way to explain it. Unlike the new lapses due to age, this life-long lack of retention has never bothered me unless someone has challenged me to reminisce and I draw a blank. Their astonishment is disconcerting.
That's my experience, and I think it might have something to do with being an INFJ.
Thanks for your comment. I agree with all of it and being in my 6th decade, allows for that perspective taking.
As an INFJ, I forget nothing. For example: John Reynolds still owes me a nickel from the second-grade Easter bake sale in 1967...
Just read a great line in your current book. “To spiritualise the world is to illuminate it with the meaning that science confiscates “. Love that!
Maybe do a video on the topic of spirituality, sure you have done already, but more in light of your new book.
I have a very poor factual memory. This has been the biggest problem in my life and even a source of insecurity for me. It makes it difficult for me to study when I need to remember something but don’t understand the context or am not interested in it. However, I have a wonderful memory for faces; I see images, but not in detail. Perhaps it’s because faces are also patterns.
Then I learned about cognitive functions. Now I know that I have conceptual memory, with memories like frames. Every time I need to recall something, I look for the right frame in the feed in my head. I have memory on demand) Even Ni in my mind has a visual presentation similar to an ever-flying spark. This turned out to be very useful for working with visual content, systems. Although I read a lot of books this year, unfortunately, I remember almost nothing, at best just the main idea, some insights, and the general impression of the book(
Well, it depends on who you compare us to and what type of memory you are referring to. Si-Ne types *typically* take it a broader scope of reality and absorb more detail and retain it than Ni-Se folks who take in a narrower, more focused scope of reality. My ISTJ wife takes in and remembers things that are even casually important to her, like who drives what, as she passed them; where gas is less expensive this week compared to last week; is a human GPS and phone directory. I am not that way at all. While I might remember the exact color of someone’s eyes or that their grandson moved to Chicago, if put on the spot. I may or may not be able to conjure their NAME at will. It’s a less reliable memory and certainly a memory based on a “zoomed in” focus. I can memorize with some effort and what I memorized may be there forever (my high school girlfriend’s phone number) or may be fleeting (your phone number you gave me, two minutes ago). It doesn’t mean I don’t care. It’s a very unreliable memory. Remembering jokes and stories in sequence and context can be difficult, as well. Timelines? If you asked me this second what month and year my grandmother died, I’d have to make NiTi associations (do the logical math). “Well, my son was in a baby carrier at the funeral and he was born in 2000, so it had to be 2001, but what month? I have no idea, other than it wasn’t cold…” Specific, Si details are evasive and my wife can bring these details to light in a flash.
I never forget the faces I've met. When I see them I know their name immediately. I was always shocked that they didn't recognize me.
My ENFJ girlfriend has PolR Si (non existant shadow) and she really has an absolute shit memory when it comes to let's say her past. She can not remember toys she had or any particular things she played. It's impossible for me to forever forget that. She can say very generic things like 'brother was on computer in own room' and 'brotha was this and this sort of person', but they're not really memories. They're more like generalizatoins based on memories. She's a really optimistic person, so the benefit is that maybe this is why. If you remember less, you forget the negatives too and am not holding back because of them
You've met my 2nd wife then, Ren? Sensors are always saying this, not realizing we see the world differently and it's NOT pathology. I will say Fi & Ne version 1.0 ARE pretty clunky. Like using Notepad in Windows as your word processor. We do remember more of what's near & dear in our minds. I'm generally more 'democratic' in my memory scope as you put it, although I can go to 'laser' focus as needed and often do, since I do detail work. BTW, got the new book and started on it!
I agree to all this. I always thought I had horrible memory until I realized that when I misplace something (no fault of my own) I remember EVERY DETAIL I did or others around me did when I "misplace" the thing. Only to figure out that someone took the item and place it somewhere else without me knowing until I think back on it.
The best way I can describe my memory is that it's a messy but organized room and that memory recall is insanely easy for me to get back on. This is helpful against narcissist but not helpful when it comes to cringe attacks so our memories are a double edge sword (wand?) 😂.
Has anyone else got a really good auditory memory? If I am interested in something someone is saying I kind of record it and can play it back to myself years later
I agree that it gets overstated.
Well, I do struggle with remembering a lot of small details. I feel like longer term memories have a dream like quality to them too, they're based on something experienced but intuition is also filling in a lot of gaps. The broad factuality of a memory can be questionable but you can still obtain insight from it.
I agree with you, Ren ! I have never been convinced by some typilogists ,that we Infjs have terrible memories. My own personal relationship with the past is solid. I have never understood why we are depicted this way ! I myself tend to remember things that even Si doms have long forgotten !
So yeah, I don't think memory is tied directly to introverted sensing.
SFJs don't nessesarily possess impeccable memories the way the system describes them.
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What's your thoughts on the old saying "How you do anything is how you do everything"
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Yes memory can be for different things. Seeing Si as memory is not accurate or helpful.
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