Came here for the picking... stayed for the history lessons. You really add a lot to the community by providing all of the extra info that you do. Thanks bud!
Not only did they use the non-bypassable core design, they appear to also have included an anti-bypass plate behind the core that was left in the lock body. Above and beyond on the bypass protection. Great picking and loving your collection show and tell. Would love to see more gun lock vids (admittedly, so I can see more of the nice gun collection); it's a shame there's yet to be a half decent gun lock produced that I've seen featured.
I like the especially solid sound the lock made as it was opened. You can tell things were nice and thick and solid and tolerances were tight. Very nice lock!
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I'm always surprised how easy it seems for you to pick these open.
I really like that one, and I was very happy to see it had all six pins in it. FINALLY !! To be fair, I think when it comes to padlocks, this one has it all right. Great picking too LPL
You inspired me to buy a set of picks, and try my hand at lock sport. Scored my first open today. (First day picking too) Sadly, the lock bound up after I opened it. I went to pull the core to free it up, and now I've got my first set of replacement pins. Perhaps I'll buy a follower next. Keep up the cool vids, and thanks!
Looks like they haven’t cut many corners like most other companies do. Wow that lock sounds like it has a very strong spring on the shackle, it really makes a solid pop
Hi Harry, Nice lock, covers most things that they should, however I'll never understand why they leave large "lips" on the spools. Large "lips" on the spools don't allow the narrow section of the spool to come into play when long key pins sit close to the shearline - the large "lips" allow the spool to act just like a standard driver. Also on shorter key pins the spools don't tilt enough under tension to give you a decent false set. Thin "lips" would allow the spools to work as they should, regardless of key pin length. Would take no effort during manufacturing to produce thinner "lips". The Abus 72/40 and others have same "problem" with fat lipped spools and long key pins. Regards, Brian.
The FEDERAL LOCK SS SERIES 730 also has the same dovetail retention feature and the same thick plate with spinner plate and has the external plate retention nut shaped to a point in the middle for drill protection and the lock is key retaining and has been designed to meet CEN Grade 4 standard and is more difficult to dismantle as the shackle has to be removed before you can access the retaining screw for the plate. It does seem a more secure design than the standard retaining plate.
The dovetail is a very nice idea but I don't like the idea of sleeve nuts that can be accessed externally. Watch the vid of the Bowley padlock where the base plate has screw retention sockets in raised portions of the plate. Of course, that design can't work with a dovetail but there are other options.
now that's a lock worth buying, if i ever needed a padlock that size, using Master Lock Pro-Series Core Cylinders? slightly modified american lock cylinders?
could you try a brute force attack on this one? I know the lock is pretty expensive and I would feel bad trashing a lock like this one, But It would be nice to see what this lock can take
@@celivalg i would love to see it, too. i just get the feeling (from experience) the only brute force attack that would be both effective and practical is an angle grinder, which is fine since no lock can stand up to an angle grinder.
@@thomasjenkins7506 well shackles can sometimes be pretty resistant to angle grinders because you have trouble finding any grip, of course the angles in the lock body gives some places to grip onto so that stays a weakness... But angle grinders are loud and take time
Is it supposed to be Key Retaining? I ask because I purchased the Longer 2" shackle version and it does allow the key to be removed while shackle is unlocked and open however it seems not so smooth removing the key requires a little jiggling to take out.....but also just the right slight angle/jiggle to insert also. It's not extreme just a little but noticeable. I wonder if the slight "roughness" of key insert/removal also slightly increases picking difficulty level?
I have stumbled across your videos recently and find them very good and intriguing. I do not know anything about lock picking etc. Can you help me understand something? If you think this lock is so good, then why was it so easy to pick?
And another excellent video! I have a couple of questions for you. First, that anti-bump pin looks a lot like an Assa pin. Do the anti-bump pins add a similar amount of pick resistance as Assa pins? It looks to me like the anti-bump pins have a less decreased diameter at the ends than the Assa pins relative to the total pin diameter, so maybe they are easier? Second, I have a video suggestion. I haven't seen many videos about the amount of bump resistance gained by using an anti-bump pin. Could you do a video with, say, 5 bumps with the anti-bump in installed, then times averaged v.s. the same lock with a spool in the same location (same averaging)? How much time is added to the bump resistance by using an anti-bump pin? Maybe this isn't the optimal test, but it's the first that occurs to me. Thanks again for your video.
Are you sure about the model number? Googling Toledo TBL90R comes up with this video and an unrelated newspaper article, but TBK-90R looks to be this lock.
I love the simplicity of the dovetail design, at least from the machinist perspective. But I bet the dovetail plate costs more to make than the stamped retainment plate.
> But I bet the dovetail plate costs more to make than the stamped retainment plate. Yeah, 5 cents instead of 4. (not the actual numbers, but not far off either.)
I always felt like I was the only one who sometimes calls inanimate objects "he/him"! My fiancé teases me for it, I was happy I could show him I'm not alone, lol.
It's nice to see a lock that's not total garbage. If you consider it quite impressive then it's gotta be worth a 20/10 on the Masterlock security scale. Out of interest is Toledo a well known or premium brand with some history? Or just another off brand cheapie that had to be called something, and they just happened to go with Toledo's reputation for high quality steel as their brand comparison. It's not a brand I've come across before, but I'm neither in North America, or for that matter, come into contact with a large assortment of padlocks.
It does make you laugh someone calls you to get you into their locked house, they watch you do your work and they once got an open door, will ask you "is there a better secure lock?" The lock was secure until you left your key in side!!!! They would be scared 100 times more when you tell them, some front doors do not even need to be picked at all?
The weakest point on this looks to be that the screw and security nut seem thin. The dove tail would still keep a core puller from working well, but I wonder if a hammer and punch on the slide would be able to shear the nut. Of course, since you would probably have to clamp the body in a vice to hold it tight enough for that to work, it would be an impractical attack out in the field.
Contrary to what most people think, there really are not that many reputable padlock manufacturers left in the world. There are only a few (less than 3) and only one in Taiwan that could be considered "reputable"... just means that lots of "manufacturers" go to one of these factories and ask them either make little (or no) changes to an existing design and then throw the "manufacturers" logo on the product. Bingo bango, what seems to be yet another padlock "manufacturer" showing up on the market is really just a company getting an overseas manufacturer to brand its products under yet another name. From a cost perspective, this lock likely cost Toledo $8 from that factory. They have some shipping and duties to deal with obviously, but likely less than $2 for those considerations. Needless to say, I don't know for sure on their costs, but I'm within 10% for sure (and likely on the high side)!
That's kind of how I got into it... used to be a network engineer at Extreme Networks and then decided to help the family business. That was twelve years ago ~ and we used to be an importer also. But not being able to control your own destiny in terms of quality and lead times (well, and new products) is just a nightmare. So we started CNC machining in 2010 in the USA.
That's the primary reason I don't like these externally accessible sleeve nuts. A chisel could probably sheer them off. A punch could probably be worked around the edge too.
I know you've picked the Cobra (brand, not model) tubular lock, but have you picked their round body padlock? I've been looking for reviews or videos of them, but haven't found anything. If anyone had heard of them I figured it would be you. www.lsidepot.com/padlocks-c11/
Nice lock. All corporations have one overriding obligation that is at odds with the needs of its customers and ANY requirement or desire to design, build and sell reliable, high quality products. That is the obligation to return higher and higher profits (regardless of market share) and better and better returns for their investors in terms of investor stock dividends. Corporations are celebrated when they grow bigger. But they are also celebrated when they grow bigger by taking over smaller businesses (often producing superior products) Corporations are therefore bad as a concept. Corporations also benefited greatly from the 14th Amendment which a lot of people still naively believe was about the emansipation of slaves! All legislation is lobbied for by those with a strong financial interest in its becoming law. Look up Monsanto and aluminum - and the laws enacted in many countries specifically protecting Monsanto, ironically divesting itself of the responsibilities derived from its person status won by the 14th Ammendment! Yes, I missed out a few stages in the legislative process there, but the outcome is the same. Connect the dots and the picture becomes clear. Investment in corporations gives large institutions in the insurance field a significant level of control over the industries that actually make things. Therefore as always, the problem can be traced back to the banking and insurance end of the game. The superior attack resistant dovetailed core retaining plate on this Toledo TBK90R round body padlock is today a rarity, and many of its predecessors with the same high quality (read expensive) solution, have been discontinued. But if you ask a corporation why they discontinue a product, they will tell you that they were responding to customer requests for more affordable products. When do customers most ask for more affordable products? When they can no longer afford to buy the good shit - because a bank has advised the company they used to work for to either downsize (fire people) or accept the merger (takeover) offer from the bigger corporation!! And they laugh at those who suggest humans (and especially the psychopathic elite versions pretending to be human) are actually early humanoid/alien hybrids! How else do we explain the consistent destruction of everything good in our environment? Corporate Darwinism? I think we are beyond that. Study Microsoft's Trojan horse attack on Nokia, and then see what's really going on. How long before some much bigger corporation (aided by a bank) makes Bowley an offer they can't refuse...?
Just like with your Ramset exploit, this lock because of this dovetail plate appears ripe for a chisel tip on a muffler gun. We know the retention screw can be sheared at the nut, so I see this design no better or worse than the original American Lock design.
The vulnerability of the retention screw at the nut is in its weakness against direct tension (as in, pulling the core parallel to its shaft length). The shear force required to push the dovetail plate against the retention screw is likely far greater, and requires more specialist tools than just a slide hammer.
Hego Damask + I'm not saying pushing the screw but inserting a chisel between the dovetail and lock body causing the screw to fail in tension, not shear. Unlike the old American 747 lock later shown, the tolerances between the dovetail and body appear to be greater on the Toledo lock.
Yes, that's an issue I raised in a previous video. I suggested making the base plate as one piece with the sleeve nut being replaced by a screw sleeve on the other side of the plate. Harry said it would be too expensive but I noticed the Bowley padlock did it that way. I also suggested a dovetail solution without being aware of these locks.
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Came here for the picking... stayed for the history lessons. You really add a lot to the community by providing all of the extra info that you do. Thanks bud!
*sees the video is more that 3 minutes long * must be a pretty good lock.
Not only did they use the non-bypassable core design, they appear to also have included an anti-bypass plate behind the core that was left in the lock body. Above and beyond on the bypass protection. Great picking and loving your collection show and tell. Would love to see more gun lock vids (admittedly, so I can see more of the nice gun collection); it's a shame there's yet to be a half decent gun lock produced that I've seen featured.
I like the especially solid sound the lock made as it was opened. You can tell things were nice and thick and solid and tolerances were tight. Very nice lock!
I'm always surprised how easy it seems for you to pick these open.
Much skill belies this facility. (He really good at this stuff.)
I really like that one, and I was very happy to see it had all six pins in it. FINALLY !! To be fair, I think when it comes to padlocks, this one has it all right. Great picking too LPL
Exactly one minute pick, this is a good lock.
Holy Toledo!!!! I have never heard of this lock.
secondswell I see what you did there
Very impressive padlock 👍Good to see all the security features with added counter milling.
I'd like to see you try and pull out the core on this one to see how well that dove-tail design works.
Nice features in this lock. I must say I havnt seen that dovetail setup before. Kudos to Toledo. 👍🏽🍺😎
You inspired me to buy a set of picks, and try my hand at lock sport. Scored my first open today. (First day picking too) Sadly, the lock bound up after I opened it. I went to pull the core to free it up, and now I've got my first set of replacement pins. Perhaps I'll buy a follower next. Keep up the cool vids, and thanks!
Nice lock. Great find!
Love the sound it makes when it gets opened
Great picking brother as usual and thanks for the review
Looks like they haven’t cut many corners like most other companies do.
Wow that lock sounds like it has a very strong spring on the shackle, it really makes a solid pop
I can’t wait to see your new channel: Lock Picking Safecracker!
Hi Harry, Nice lock, covers most things that they should, however I'll never understand why they leave large "lips" on the spools. Large "lips" on the spools don't allow the narrow section of the spool to come into play when long key pins sit close to the shearline - the large "lips" allow the spool to act just like a standard driver. Also on shorter key pins the spools don't tilt enough under tension to give you a decent false set. Thin "lips" would allow the spools to work as they should, regardless of key pin length. Would take no effort during manufacturing to produce thinner "lips". The Abus 72/40 and others have same "problem" with fat lipped spools and long key pins. Regards, Brian.
you make lock picking look so easy
The FEDERAL LOCK SS SERIES 730 also has the same dovetail retention feature and the same thick plate with spinner plate and has the external plate retention nut shaped to a point in the middle for drill protection and the lock is key retaining and has been designed to meet CEN Grade 4 standard and is more difficult to dismantle as the shackle has to be removed before you can access the retaining screw for the plate.
It does seem a more secure design than the standard retaining plate.
The dovetail is a very nice idea but I don't like the idea of sleeve nuts that can be accessed externally. Watch the vid of the Bowley padlock where the base plate has screw retention sockets in raised portions of the plate. Of course, that design can't work with a dovetail but there are other options.
Finally a lock you actually seem to like.
Nice cool lock.
could you please do a video explaining what serrations/spools/countermilling/anti-bumps are and how they work?
now that's a lock worth buying, if i ever needed a padlock that size, using Master Lock Pro-Series Core Cylinders? slightly modified american lock cylinders?
Very nice ;) Bravo!
Nice lock😮
I been watching your videos and have you ever tried to pick a Forever lock....Thanks
I need a Toledo lock...since I went to the University of Toledo :D
You should do a video of putting back together some of these locks
could you try a brute force attack on this one? I know the lock is pretty expensive and I would feel bad trashing a lock like this one,
But It would be nice to see what this lock can take
seems like the weak spot in this lock is what you decide to lock it to. the lock itself seems solid enough.
@@thomasjenkins7506 yeah, that's why I wanted to know how beefy it actually was, I was curious how much of a beating it could take
@@celivalg i would love to see it, too. i just get the feeling (from experience) the only brute force attack that would be both effective and practical is an angle grinder, which is fine since no lock can stand up to an angle grinder.
@@thomasjenkins7506 well shackles can sometimes be pretty resistant to angle grinders because you have trouble finding any grip, of course the angles in the lock body gives some places to grip onto so that stays a weakness... But angle grinders are loud and take time
Is it supposed to be Key Retaining? I ask because I purchased the Longer 2" shackle version and it does allow the key to be removed while shackle is unlocked and open however it seems not so smooth removing the key requires a little jiggling to take out.....but also just the right slight angle/jiggle to insert also. It's not extreme just a little but noticeable. I wonder if the slight "roughness" of key insert/removal also slightly increases picking difficulty level?
this is a lock i would buy, they did what they could to make a good lock for the money.
Impressive!
Toledo is a very beautiful city in Spain.
Interesting. Thanks
Can you discuss why key pins are all different and what they do?
Nice lock
What core would recommend as a replacement for this stock american core?
That’s a lot better then most round body padlocks, cheaper then the American 700 as well.
I want one but where to buy in the UK? Amazon only has the usual round body suspects
I always wonder what does “security pins” mean, if it’s so easy for him to pick up any such lock
How do these anti bump pins work?
seems like a solid lock. seems like an angle grinder is the only way to attack it, which is fine since no lock can stand up to that.
Why do they use different materials for the pins?
I have stumbled across your videos recently and find them very good and intriguing. I do not know anything about lock picking etc. Can you help me understand something? If you think this lock is so good, then why was it so easy to pick?
Because his skill level is extremely high, most people would take days to pick this.
And another excellent video! I have a couple of questions for you. First, that anti-bump pin looks a lot like an Assa pin. Do the anti-bump pins add a similar amount of pick resistance as Assa pins? It looks to me like the anti-bump pins have a less decreased diameter at the ends than the Assa pins relative to the total pin diameter, so maybe they are easier? Second, I have a video suggestion. I haven't seen many videos about the amount of bump resistance gained by using an anti-bump pin. Could you do a video with, say, 5 bumps with the anti-bump in installed, then times averaged v.s. the same lock with a spool in the same location (same averaging)? How much time is added to the bump resistance by using an anti-bump pin? Maybe this isn't the optimal test, but it's the first that occurs to me. Thanks again for your video.
Very good questions and idea of comparative tests.
btw... I Bought the Toledo lock
for a lock by a factory pretty nice.
This guy probably has so many locks he could have a chain of locks by locking locks to locks it would be so cool to see
Just pick the weakest link. :)
Where can you buy anti bump pins?
Are you sure about the model number? Googling Toledo TBL90R comes up with this video and an unrelated newspaper article, but TBK-90R looks to be this lock.
How do Anti bump pins work?
I love the simplicity of the dovetail design, at least from the machinist perspective. But I bet the dovetail plate costs more to make than the stamped retainment plate.
> But I bet the dovetail plate costs more to make than the stamped retainment plate.
Yeah, 5 cents instead of 4. (not the actual numbers, but not far off either.)
I always felt like I was the only one who sometimes calls inanimate objects "he/him"! My fiancé teases me for it, I was happy I could show him I'm not alone, lol.
Are the holes at the bottom of the core for re-keying?
They could be used for that, but really they are just an artifact of the manufacturing process.
It's nice to see a lock that's not total garbage. If you consider it quite impressive then it's gotta be worth a 20/10 on the Masterlock security scale.
Out of interest is Toledo a well known or premium brand with some history? Or just another off brand cheapie that had to be called something, and they just happened to go with Toledo's reputation for high quality steel as their brand comparison.
It's not a brand I've come across before, but I'm neither in North America, or for that matter, come into contact with a large assortment of padlocks.
Hey American Lock are you watching this?
The 747 weak link was the fact that a drill bit fit right up the core hole
It does make you laugh someone calls you to get you into their locked house, they watch you do your work and they once got an open door, will ask you "is there a better secure lock?" The lock was secure until you left your key in side!!!! They would be scared 100 times more when you tell them, some front doors do not even need to be picked at all?
The weakest point on this looks to be that the screw and security nut seem thin. The dove tail would still keep a core puller from working well, but I wonder if a hammer and punch on the slide would be able to shear the nut. Of course, since you would probably have to clamp the body in a vice to hold it tight enough for that to work, it would be an impractical attack out in the field.
I think they pissed him off. LPL didn't describe all the "counter rotation" on this lock. Either that.or, he had a "client" to attend to.
Is there a lock that you can't pick?????
What is a “Anti Bump pin”?
A pin that prevents the lock from being "bumped'' open - check out "Bumping a lock open''
How do you know what factory they came from? How much does this lock cost?
Contrary to what most people think, there really are not that many reputable padlock manufacturers left in the world. There are only a few (less than 3) and only one in Taiwan that could be considered "reputable"... just means that lots of "manufacturers" go to one of these factories and ask them either make little (or no) changes to an existing design and then throw the "manufacturers" logo on the product. Bingo bango, what seems to be yet another padlock "manufacturer" showing up on the market is really just a company getting an overseas manufacturer to brand its products under yet another name.
From a cost perspective, this lock likely cost Toledo $8 from that factory. They have some shipping and duties to deal with obviously, but likely less than $2 for those considerations.
Needless to say, I don't know for sure on their costs, but I'm within 10% for sure (and likely on the high side)!
I'll have to get out of IT and start importing locks
That's kind of how I got into it... used to be a network engineer at Extreme Networks and then decided to help the family business. That was twelve years ago ~ and we used to be an importer also. But not being able to control your own destiny in terms of quality and lead times (well, and new products) is just a nightmare. So we started CNC machining in 2010 in the USA.
What I'm here for
I'm worried about being able to shear off the screw.
That's the primary reason I don't like these externally accessible sleeve nuts. A chisel could probably sheer them off. A punch could probably be worked around the edge too.
Something that i dont underestend, is why locks are drill resistance, when you can pick open in less than 1 min
LPL, like Bosnianbill are master level pickers, this lock would be a real PITA for even advanced pickers.
$38.80 on Amazon.
Master lock company should take some notes 😂
This lock doesn't appeal to the Master Lock target customers (mass market) though - too expensive.
I highly doubt anyone at Master can actually write. We know they can't design locks. :)
You forget economies of scale. Make and sell enough of these and the price goes down.
I wonder what his wife thought when she saw all his locks.
Dove-tail, huh?
Referring to the shape of the plate. Like a dove tail rail for a gun
I know you've picked the Cobra (brand, not model) tubular lock, but have you picked their round body padlock? I've been looking for reviews or videos of them, but haven't found anything. If anyone had heard of them I figured it would be you. www.lsidepot.com/padlocks-c11/
Nice lock. All corporations have one overriding obligation that is at odds with the needs of its customers and ANY requirement or desire to design, build and sell reliable, high quality products. That is the obligation to return higher and higher profits (regardless of market share) and better and better returns for their investors in terms of investor stock dividends.
Corporations are celebrated when they grow bigger. But they are also celebrated when they grow bigger by taking over smaller businesses (often producing superior products)
Corporations are therefore bad as a concept. Corporations also benefited greatly from the 14th Amendment which a lot of people still naively believe was about the emansipation of slaves! All legislation is lobbied for by those with a strong financial interest in its becoming law. Look up Monsanto and aluminum - and the laws enacted in many countries specifically protecting Monsanto, ironically divesting itself of the responsibilities derived from its person status won by the 14th Ammendment!
Yes, I missed out a few stages in the legislative process there, but the outcome is the same. Connect the dots and the picture becomes clear.
Investment in corporations gives large institutions in the insurance field a significant level of control over the industries that actually make things.
Therefore as always, the problem can be traced back to the banking and insurance end of the game. The superior attack resistant dovetailed core retaining plate on this Toledo TBK90R round body padlock is today a rarity, and many of its predecessors with the same high quality (read expensive) solution, have been discontinued.
But if you ask a corporation why they discontinue a product, they will tell you that they were responding to customer requests for more affordable products. When do customers most ask for more affordable products? When they can no longer afford to buy the good shit - because a bank has advised the company they used to work for to either downsize (fire people) or accept the merger (takeover) offer from the bigger corporation!!
And they laugh at those who suggest humans (and especially the psychopathic elite versions pretending to be human) are actually early humanoid/alien hybrids! How else do we explain the consistent destruction of everything good in our environment? Corporate Darwinism? I think we are beyond that. Study Microsoft's Trojan horse attack on Nokia, and then see what's really going on.
How long before some much bigger corporation (aided by a bank) makes Bowley an offer they can't refuse...?
Just like with your Ramset exploit, this lock because of this dovetail plate appears ripe for a chisel tip on a muffler gun.
We know the retention screw can be sheared at the nut, so I see this design no better or worse than the original American Lock design.
The vulnerability of the retention screw at the nut is in its weakness against direct tension (as in, pulling the core parallel to its shaft length). The shear force required to push the dovetail plate against the retention screw is likely far greater, and requires more specialist tools than just a slide hammer.
Hego Damask +
I'm not saying pushing the screw but inserting a chisel between the dovetail and lock body causing the screw to fail in tension, not shear.
Unlike the old American 747 lock later shown, the tolerances between the dovetail and body appear to be greater on the Toledo lock.
Yes, that's an issue I raised in a previous video. I suggested making the base plate as one piece with the sleeve nut being replaced by a screw sleeve on the other side of the plate. Harry said it would be too expensive but I noticed the Bowley padlock did it that way. I also suggested a dovetail solution without being aware of these locks.
That key pisses me the hell off.
$30 on Home Depot's website.
Ha! Do I hear $25?
Gary Rumain Seems like a pretty good deal really.
Considering the quality of the lock, yes.
$37.40 Home Depot smaller shackle. $43.37 the Longer 2" shackle. This I purchased bigger shackle 4 bike chain. Inflation has struck.