SuperTrickler vs. AutoTrickler V4 powder measure comparison
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I have my V4 almost a year now and have never had a problem. Fast, accurate and a very easy learning curve to learning how to program the App for optimum speed and accuracy. Considering buying a second one for backup just in case I ever have an issue with mine
Nice video John! Was waiting for this glad you made this. I have a V4 and wanted to see the difference Thanks!
I've been saying "it's such an awesome time to be alive if you're a shooter" a lot lately because we have so many options when it comes to guns, cartridges, and gear. It doesn't matter if you're just getting into plinking, shooting competitions, or hunting or you been doing it for a long time the stuff we have access to these days compared to 15-20 years ago is kind of mind-boggling because it just keeps getting better... Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Great video really enjoy your channel and the insights offered, great work sir!
I've added a "helping hands magic hand" to my bench. It is a small 4x6 metal place with an adjustable hand that holds my funnel in place. It works great with these types of powder throwers if you seat a bullet immediately after dumping powder.
Thanks for the video John, mine was giving me fits, this helped immensely. Now I’m glad I didn’t throw it against the wall.
Glad it helped
Thanks for this video. I hope it will help me decide for one or the other.
Just got my v4 yesterday. Got it set up and running this afternoon. Didn't know about the advanced settings, but just using the basic ones, it drops a charge faster than I can dump one in a case and seat a bullet. Don't see any reason to try to tweak it to go any faster. The Supertrickler looks cool and the potential future expandability sounds good, but at $200 more, not sure it's worth it at this point, but I'll keep an eye on any future features they come up with.
Great to hear. The V4 is a great unit, I'm sure it'll fit your needs for quite a while.
Hi john I’ve got a v3 and you can add changes in the app to do a ladder test without moving the manual control adjuster, keep making the videos I enjoy them 👍
Thanks again for the video. I don't want a V3/4 simply because of it forces you to use an App. There are other things that I seem to like better about the super trickler as well. I've never used either one but first impressions are what they are.
I had purchased the Ingenuity Powder Meter back in May to go with my V4 (didn't want to wait.)
When the V4 arrived I went ahead and paired it up with the ingenuity unit and found that when raised 1.5" it could be aimed inside the hopper from above which required no drilling of the top plate.
Dead on. 👍
That's a great idea.
Thank you. As always outstanding I to.
Great Video
I've watched and enjoyed the knowledge you share thank you. Last week I talked with Mr Borden from Borden actions and the owner of attrun. Both explained to me how benchrest shooting works. Ie gear. I also read the rule book. Why don't you shoot bench rest.? Is your rifles not accurate enough to win a match.? Just curious. I am not being ignorant toward you. I also found out that a lot has changed since bench rest was started years ago. Now you can use a 6 inch fore end . Use to be only 3 inch in light rifle.
@F_class John just curious what your opinion is on a harrels powder throw vs maybe a auto trickler4, just a normal reloader here that likes accuracy but doesnt load much ammo.
V4 is still kick ass!
I purchased my SuperTrickler late last year and it showed up in March. I really enjoy the speed and accuracy, but a few days ago it started making a loud noise when throwing powder and the large powder tube would hang up. I sent Rex and customer service an email a few days ago and haven't heard back. The frustration is beginning to set in!
I can't speak for what going on but I do know that Rex posted something on the Facebook channel about an accident or something that's sent him to the emergency room (I'm not on Facebook but you may want to check out the SuperTrickler Facebook page to see).
Good night. Will you be able to make a video explaining how to make the adjustments in the Bill-Fine and Pulse settings? So far I let Artificial Intelligence intervene but I don't make fine manual adjustments.
I'm considering which one to get, thanks for the review. I noticed when you lifted the SuperTrickler off the scale there seemed to be deposits of powder underneath? Does this (or could it) compromise charge weights at all compared with the AutoTrickler which is more visable?
You are correct, there's a gap where powder can fall but they don't have any effect on the weighing function. I just blow whatever is there out every time I empty the unit.
How about a V4 with the ingenuity precision charger together seeing how the V3 is no longer available.
I appreciate your impartial review John, but for someone who doesn't own either one yet, it's pretty obvious which one is going to be more desired. I think the SuperTrickler is going to help Adam catch up on his backorders! Probably getting cancellations to boot. 6 month wait times for normies was ridiculous. If SuperTrickler can keep up with demand they are going to take a BIG piece of the pie. Nice to have another option now, even if it does cost more.
I would consider changing from the v3 to the supertrickler when Rex makes that weighing and powder dump track for 200 rounds.
Until then... Stocking up on the components / barrels and living life through you. Thank you John!
Which do you prefer the autotrickler v4 or the supertrickler? Could you provide a link to this guy that prints the accessories?
Here's the accessories. As to the units, I still have both on my table and use them both. I like them both for different reasons. czcams.com/video/_Yt6H7ug9rA/video.html
Where did you get your 3-D printed accessories for your super trickler?
From a guy named loanharvey on accurateshooter.com
I have to say, the V3 with the Ingenuity Trickler upgrade looks as though it's a better solution to me...
My V4 is on order
You won't regret it.
I think it was the video with the V3 vs Super Trickler that you commented on customer service from the big guys but RCBS claims their Match Master is just as accurate. Would be great to see an in depth test of Auto Trickler, Super Trickler, and Match Master. Comparing with the same check weight how repeatable the measurements are and stability over time. Temperature is probably a big variable with all the electronics but I suspect most people are reloading in a somewhat temperature stable environment and could be an ignored variable or if you were bored and wanted to make a video outside in 15 degree temperatures I would watch it.
I had a couple Matchmasters and I really struggled with them and got rid of them. Super slow (in excess of 30 sections) in match mode which is only accurate to .04gr instead of .02gr with AT or ST. It's faster mode is more like 15-20 seconds but only accurate to .10gr.
I agree compare with the RCBS. It my not suit your needs but not everyone watching is a competitive shooter demanding 10 second charges at .02 accuracy. The higher price point of the AT and ST may put some of your views out of the market.
@@dalehorkey4476 With all due respect it's not worth my time to do a video review on. I had a couple of them and they were aggravating at best to use. They are still $800 when on sale (normally $900) at which is only one or two hundred under an AutoTrickler system and it doesn't even come close to the speed, accuracy or interface of the AutoTrickler. The MatchMaster is still a $800-900 strain gauge vs. the mag-force restoration of the A&D Fx120i and will as a result always allow for outside influences such as phones and fluorescent lighting to affect it plus a strain gauge can never be as accurate or relatable as a mag-force gauge no matter what anyone says. Yes it has a nicer strain gauge, but it's still a strain gauge.
For me (and this is just my opinion) you go one of two ways. You either keep it cost effective with something like the RCBS Charemaster Link (their new one) or older Lite (if you can find a nice used one) which I do actually think is a really great machine for the money and is actually capable of the same accuracy of the Matchmaster (except for the match mode which is super slow) or you step up with the AT or ST system. For me the Matchmaster is just weirdly positioned with its price vs. capabilities and I don't like it as a result. I know there's gonna people out there who like it for one reason or another, just not me.
@@FClassJohn thank you. That was reasonable useful compelling information presented in a way that my limited experience would not have identified on my own. So again thank you. I see your point.
Hey John, Australia here. Where would a guy send something for you to have a look at and maybe review?
You are pretty much a 284 guy, yes?
It's 2024 and people are still using RS-232C. What a shame. It's been almost 30 years since I've messed with that UART protocol.
Where can you buy either of these?
autotrickler.com/products/autotrickler-v4 or supertrickler.com.au
Hey John! I’m getting an error on my V3 setup and I can’t get Adam to respond to any of my emails. Would you be able to help me?
What’s it doing?
@@FClassJohn I have the V3 system with the Satorius scale and the error in getting is “Unable to read weight from scale! Make sure the scale configuration settings are correct and a stable weight is displayed.” The weird thing is all my calibration settings are right and it has a stable weight of 0.00
@@Howlin23 are you sure it’s a v3 for sartorius? Does it have a separate box?
@@FClassJohn yes it’s a V3 that I bought through Data Weigh Systems. It was the more expensive option to the A&D scale.
@@Howlin23 so if it was for the A&D then it won’t work with a Sartorius. The Sartorous was a complete different system and he hasn’t made them for years. It was a secondary box that plugged into the scale separate from the V3 system. You can’t interchange them.
You consistently put the v4 on first. Honestly it’s not that hard to put on at the same time 😂
I'm sure the manufacturer has their reasons for doing it, but it's strange to see that the SuperTrickler uses old style serial and parallel ports instead of USB.
Yeah I have no idea but my guess is it has something to do with the A&D scale using only a serial port.
When you go to settings in v4 and you hold close button it will open advanced settings where you can twick trickler to a specific powder and it will be supper fast. Like you can tell when big tube to start stop - same with small tube - .
For me I like to keep my V4 down and not pick it up when I empty it just mainly bc I think the tilt of it is one of the issues people are having. I pick up the hopper and empty the back gate in it. Then run the large then small drum while giving it a slight tilt the same way u do to prime it. Then empty the back gate again and it's good to go. Just something to think about. It's also funny a guy on snipers hide that says he lives close to F class John loves to use his name to say John says the v4 is junk and he sold his bc they don't work lol this video seems to say otherwise. There are a handful of people that can't seem to make the v4 worl and love to bash it. But for the money it is a solid unit and most of the people I have helped with the v4 didn't understand the adjustments.
Yeah not sure who that would be but no, the v4 isn't junk, I just found for my needs the v3 and IP trickler was better for me but the v4 is still great for others. That's all.
@F-Class John I'll see if I can find a comment but I have seen him a few times mention your name in a v4 conversation. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I think 95% of people are happy with the v4 but those few that don't seem to understand the adjustments are loud about there issues. Love the vids we need to make Eric say them you daddies.
@@1clnsdime1 cool. Just message me over on Hide if you find it.
The V4 is actually $490
Yeah sorry about that. On it's own that's correct and I should've said that. I was thinking more as part of the scale/trickler package and didn't communicate that correctly.
@@FClassJohn for sure, I also have another $100 plus invested in a custom enclosure that has a adjuster for angle and sliding doors to keep dust out on my V4’s as I couldn’t stand putting the scale out of level or sticking pieces of paper under the back of it as Adam suggests to get the proper flow rate with large kernel powders.
I will say having had the V4’s for quite some time and now having ST for about a month I prefer the ST over the V4 for a lot of reasons but I can see some people that don’t like to tinker just being better off with a AT rather then a ST.
Super Trickler is a complete shit show for shipping to USA and so many other countries. ALSO I like to buy North American and the Auto Trickler is mostly made in Canada and some in the USA, it is also on this continent so shipping is much easier.
Not my experience with the Super Trickler shipping. It shipped on 30 Dec and I received it in Florida on 6 Jan.
It might be an idea to stop waving your hands in front of the camera or at least turn off the autofocus
Yeah sorry about that. I'll work to fix that in the future.
Reminded me of Scotty Kilmer.
Dos anyone had powder stock between plate and cover in suppertrickler- almost looks like thst might be an issue if powder gets there and jam scale to get accurate weight
Super trickler is future proof with software. Plus it looks bad ass.