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Shooting 38% from the field as the #1 option is terrible regardless of who you are
Unless you are LeBron in 2015 since everybody thinks he should’ve won finals MVP
@@KingHampton-ul1iwlebron was driving to the basket and wasn’t taking more than 5 3s per game. Everyone knows lebron wasn’t a shooter back then, Brown and Tatum be forcing 3s
@@KingHampton-ul1iw lol you know Tatum sucked. We’ll see moving forward but him and brown are being paid so much y’all will never touch a finals again. Tell me do you feel better about Tatum now or when he lost to lebron in game 7? Tatum has a ring but he is not the player we thought he would be. Brown also shot bad and he was horrible against an 8th seed heat team last year. Enjoy this one you can’t keep this team together bc those two
@@jettheinrich19you talk about a 26 year old like his career is over already, and how are you going to say he sucked when he did everything else? You know who sucked in the series? Kyrie couldnt score, board, assist, or play defense but tatum does all that and scored basically the same as kyrie but hes seen as having sucked in the finals, bullshit you dont watch the games
@@jettheinrich19bum ass hater 😂
Brad Stevens has been killing the President of Operations job
Let's be honest if Ainge was still the GM, Brown would not be a Celtic right now instead of that massive extension he would have traded for someone of close value aka what he did to get Kyrie by sending IT to the cavs in 2018.
Tatum and Brown complimenting each other seamlessly needs to be talked about more. Could argue that Brown needs to be better at playmaking or Tatum needs to shoot more efficiently but thats a good problem to have.
it’s good to have 2 defensive athletic wings that can shoot. but they do not complement each other. a jokic murray pick and roll is like 100x more efficient than anything brown and tatum can do together
And yet both duos have a ring. They compliment each other fine.
@@juliothom2408 They don't complement each other fine compared to Kerr and Kukoc bc they have 3 rings together.
Wen one isn’t the other is playing goood n wen they both on it’s over
They actually don’t do much so that not only did they have to get pieces to help fit them together but where they’re was games ina playoff offensively they were both underperforming to the standard you would hold them to
Two things can be true: Brown deserved FMVP, dogged Luka in clutch moments, and is the team leader. Tatum is more "talented", corny, and copied KG's celebration.
Oh and Kobe solo in the locker room with the trophy, and Jordan kissing it. Dude is a meme and shot terribly, showed up last minute trying to steal MVP!
Definitely don't know his importance then@@ImportAl
Lmao yea I noticed that 😂
@@EmmanuelAniTheSchismbreak it down for me then. All this "gravity" Tatum has like he's Curry to JB's Klay, but missed TONS of clean looks himself and didn't dish a ton of assists.
Why does he have to be corny. Yall keyboard warriors are lame 🙄
As a player Tatum was very impactful, as a scorer not so much
Averaged 26ppg after the second game of this seried😊
@@GloKageTre Lil bro you had to remove 40% of the games played in the series to get his PPG up and it's still mid 😂😂
@@GloKageTre he shot like shit buddy
@@jayherd922 last three games he shot 46%
He shot badly, but he was still a good offensive players.
This point was perfectly conveyed. Credit was given correctly to the people that it should’ve been and at the same time not discrediting anyone’s involvement in the championship
worse than iggy and kawhi is nasty😭
It’s down right disgusting
Kawhi totally deserves his wym? 😮
Ohhh the spurs one... I still would've but yeah okay
Spurs dont win without kawhi
@@fredb6515 bro wym they literally did win without him
The series was decided in the first three games and through the first three games, Tatum shot below 30 percent from the floor. LOW is the same guy who kills Westbrook for poor efficiency despite stuffing the stat sheet but now wants us to ignore Tatum’s poor efficiency in the first three games because of his play making. I’m not rolling. Two things can be true. Tatum can be the best play on the floor and still have gotten bailed out by having a far superior supporting cast than Luka.
Could it be said that Brown had a better series than Tatum, but that Tatum had a better series than his points and efficiency in the box score might suggest?
And that above all else this is a darn good duo.
wtf are you talking about, LOW was dragging tatum’s efficiency through the mud for like 7 minutes in this video
But Tatum is an immensely better player off ball than Westbrook is. Scoring is his role but, let’s not pretend that’s all he can provide.
Jaylen Brown was bad in terms of efficiency but not JT bad, and in the first 3 games brown was the better player but it was ultimately decided in 5. I’m personally not say Brown didn’t deserve it, I just think it was close and I would have given it to Tatum although I won’t argue with anyone who would give it to Brown
Westbrook is a high tpg player and he's inefficient. There's lvls
Jayson Tatum and jaylen brown are REALLY good all stars but they neither of them is on a Kobe or Lebron level that can dominate and take over a series the overall team is just really good you could argue all 5 starters should be all stars
They will be paid that way and Boston will never be here again once the elite role players are gone
@@jettheinrich19they’ve been to the ECF 5 times out of the last 7 years. Who’s stopping them?
@@lorddj9910 they've also been to the finals twice a within a 3 year span an could've easily went the year before making it 3 in total , they'll be back .
As a Celtics fan, u can say whatever u want about JT he got that ring 🤣💍
And yet the questions surrounding Tatum will still exist. He’s been poor in two straight finals and three straight postseasons, lost an easy FMVP to his own teammate, and has never been in serious contention for a MVP or DPOY. It’s extremely obvious that this chip by the Celtics even if they didn’t have Tatum and had some other superstar.
@@Manticore202618 championships is all we care about. Nobody will ever top that haha 🤡
@@Manticore2026 go play in traffic. Jt got that ring
@@angelomelo4488 yet jason still wont be in top 5 conversations
@@MrMurked10 JT got carried to that ring.
Jt and Jb outplayed who u was saying was the best backcourt in nba history
Translation: Your opinion was wrong and you don't want to admit it.
But YES, we do take Finals MVP, championships and what we see into account. Changing your opinion when you get new evidence is a sign of intelligence. You being stubborn about being wrong is the opposite of that.
What is he wrong about though jaysum tatum didn’t play well in these playoffs especially in the finals he didn’t play even to his standards like averaging 22 points per game on 38/26 shooting splits is atrocious look at the last like 10 finals what best player played this poorly in the finals
I picked jaylen for mvp because of his defensive intensity and the fact that he outplayed everyone on Boston the first three games and even sealing the deal in game 2 Jaylen brown was the most consistent player in the series with the hardest task of guarding and locking down doncic he was playing such good defense on him Dallas kept forcing switches with Tatum and doncic would cook him jaylen 100% deserved it over Tatum it’s a no brainer
DOWN Low's ignorance on Larry Bird is outstanding. Larry Bird dropped 26 13 and 7 in a 3-1 comeback vs the MVP Dr J and superteam 76ers the series prior. He swept the rockets in 1980. Larry bird didnt even have a top 3 roster in the league in 1981. More like Tim Duncan in 07 than Bird
The TEAM with the most talent usually wins. Not the most talented player or two but the collective. This happens every year it’s just that much more obvious when your best player on the most talented team doesn’t play as well. Media pushes the narrative of who is the reason they won bc that’s what they do. Gotta have someone to praise or blame but in reality it’s the team that wins and loses
Mainstream sports media these days often resort to making everything about the biggest names regardless of how true it really is.
Ex: How many people blamed Kyrie Irving or Luka Doncic for Dallas’ underperformance when Dallas immediately got Kyrie as opposed to how outrebounded they were.
@@fortynights1513 yeah it’s annoying. 24 hour news cycle and this is the best they can come up with.
That’s cap. The warriors in 22 were not the most talented team. The bucks in 21 were not the most talented team, same as raptors in 19
@@marcusfrm6263 that warriors team had more talent than the 22 Celtics.
Raptors won cs KD a Klay went down let’s be real
like 90% of all NBA titles post 1980 has had at least 1 top 5 player on their team.
Honestly someone who is very underrated and deserves to be in atleast HOF talks is Jrue holiday, the value he brings defensively for 2 teams that earned a chip off of his ability to still be able to score and defend at an elite level
I agree with everything you said low, But let’s not also erase 7 years of postseason success. These guys have led the Boston Celtics to deep runs every year. So the additions that were made was also in effect to helping them get over that hump. If we didn’t have Jrue and Kp JB and Jt coulda played lights out and we probably still would’ve lost to the mavs. So I think they’ve earned the right to become shot chuckers essentially after basically holding this franchise down for so long.
Were you listening?That’s everything low said in the video.
They won’t have an amazing team moving forward and the east won’t be injured and you won’t face a Mavs team that was carried by two players. The role players won this title and the Celtics will be paying Tatum and brown crazy money for being mediocre at best
@@jettheinrich19 as long as Cuban is in charge if they are playing the Mavericks, that is exactly what you will see. Cuban had the blueprint from the dirt teams right in his face yet because they made a conference finals with Luca and Brunson. He thought they could do the same thing with the same type of swat with Luca and Kyrie
@@KingHampton-ul1iw luka can get back there for sure I think he’s the best player in the league. However the Mavs know they cannot win with total shit around luka and kyrie, a team like this Mavs team won’t be there again. It’s a testament to luka and kyrie they got here.
“Sophisticated conversations” 😆
I swear Tatum forgets that he’s 6 foot 9 bro like
always playing like a small ball guard and failing everytime .
Low always starts off a video saying "I didn't wanna talk about this" then proceeds to make a video talking about SAID thing 🤣
This why i love Low FACTS Idgaf WHAT NOBODY SAYS 💯
One of the things that make the NBA finals remarkable are the superstars being superstars and the incredible plays they make.
This is sorely missing in these finals.
Both Final MVP candidates put up numbers at the same level as Andrew Wiggins in 2022, or Murray in 2023. Both have fewer numbers than Khris Middleton in 2021.
It’s a huge win for team building, those individual stars haven’t made much progress themselves.
The stars have made a lot of progress but unfortunately nobody wants to give them the credit lol.
I agree that Tatum should have won but its slightly
They both played average at best
They are lucky they stacked
Best take I’ve seen so far finally someone else saw it
Everything that i heard was facts. You couldve placed numerous people in Tatums position and they wouldve won. I hate watching Tatum sometimes because he limits himself by being braindead smh hes on the court trying to be everybody EXCEPT himself sometimes (harden, steph, kobe) instead of taking advantage of his own attributes smmfh imagine when he finally wakes up and realizes this??? He'd be a monster 🤷🏾
finals choker brown clears .
"What did I doooo?!" - Derozan 😂😂😂
Honestly u could replace Tatum and Brown with any other duo and I truly they would have won with even less difficulty. Tatum got bailed out like crazy im just thankful he didnt get that FMVP. It sad cuz I truly believed he was a superstar 😔.
This is completely unhinged. You need to talk to someone about your problem.
Did you just talk about Brown and Tatum "underperforming" for 14 minutes straight without even mentioning defence?
And then said: " - You don't care about facts" ?
Did you watch the video ? He quite literally gave both of them props
Tatum took a big leap this year when it comes to play making, i think his focus and leadership on the floor was a huge reason this team finally made it over the hump
he's no longer a scorer an should be moved to pg
I think it was Game 2 when Mavs was getting blown out and both sides empty the bench but Tatum has stayed in all the way till the middle of the 4th and I just thought that he was that padding he was putting up a lot of shots he even did that in game 5 trying to keep the stats close and he did
an still failed to win fmvp facts.
Glad you telling the truth LOW i thought the same thing. Everyone's arguing over who is better they both played below average on a stacked roster which is concerning
Brown was great and Tatum was good , stop lying
How is that concerning? If they were better players they wouldn't have needed the stacked roster. You guys say they aren't good so their gm gives them the help they need to win like superstar players
Booohooooo the front office does their job welll😢😢😢 how ever will we Celtics fans recover
@@Intr0vertical brown was the best player in that finals as a #2 option against golden state yet played like a true #1 option and was the reason why they even won two games to began with , Tatum is on fraud watch .
@CoryJones-mj9on that's just cap lol. We won those games cuz of the bench. JT had a shoulder and wrist injury in those finals. There's a reason he gets the most defensive attention. Some days I wish you guys would see JB as a number 1 for a full season to see how shit is
Jrue Holiday was the mvp. His defense and how versatile he was on each game was crazy. He had a game of scoring, another game of top tier defense, a game of great facilitating, great passing game. And he was well rounded on the last game. His performance was crazy.
Real FMVP is Jrue Holiday but Jaylen deserved it as well 🤷♂️
Celtics front office deserves a lot of credit. They made a complete upgrade with Jrue. Smart, Grant Williams, and Brodgan were worth the sacrifice.
I feel you are being a bit biased. Tatum playing off of Luka on defense, allows him to do more on offense, just like Brown picking up Luka 90 feet justifies him being put in the corner on offense. On a good team if you do more on offense or defense, you can do less on the other side.
The reason I think Brown got the MVP: You can say he was 2nd on overall, impact-wise, on both defense and offense. Tatum would be 1st on offense, even with it being not very efficient and maybe 4th on defense or fighting for 3rd.
Also, not gonna ho back to rewatch this finals, but it feels like Brown had more moments. (Media ass thing to say, but hey, MVP is a media vote).
Low basically called the Celtics a rich man’s 14-15 Atlanta Hawks
I don’t think the media members that vote on it are smart enough to see that, they should have people that know the game inside and out, like you, to vote.
ok we are gassing jt's "playmaking" a little too much.
Nah he gotta get credit for that he collapsed the defense and consistently made the right decision that’s the ONLY thing he should get credit for shooting was ass and you 6’8 you should be getting rebounds
Even if he didn’t get the assist the Mavs were running to close out on the player he passed to and often times that player made another pass to another wide open shooter
No we not. You're just not watching the games if you think jt wasn't creating free looks at the rim and from three because the whole defence collapsed on him
Snitching on yourself
Box score watcher
jb deserved it, he guarded luka well, hit clutch shots in the 2nd half and he was more consistent
Damn you strong and wrong had to make a whole vid cause you don’t know talent 😂
It's an incredible video of him being wrong. He's up there posting a Kendrick Perkins post where Perk says he didn't think the Celtics could win with Brown and Tatum and then disagreeing with Perk saying he was wrong. Bro, he's demonstratively wrong. Unlike Low, he's smart enough to admit it.
Tatum winning has no effect on how im gonna rank him he’s same player with or without the championship. Same with Brown. They literally beat Luka in the finals and I’m still going to tell you that Luka is a better player.
KP was given up on by 3 different teams. The bucks willingly gave Jrue away. D White was on the bench in San Antonio. How did this past season go for Grant Williams and Marcus Smart ??? Seems alot more to me like guys are benefiting from playing with the J's more than the other way around.
Your argument isnt enough to hand Tatum mvp over Brown.
Tatums play making can be cancelled by Browns defensive task, stops and blocks. Now lets match the points scored and crucial points scored, which Brown edges Tatum to it. When bucket was really needed, #7 was answering the call. Even Tatum knew Brown was ahead of him in that race and you could see him pushing for it in game 5. Brown deserved it hands down.
when the series was in the balance, games 1-3 jaylen brown was the best player and the reason they went up 3-0 therefore to me as long as they closed it out in 4 or 5 it was jaylen browns fmvp
To be fair when they ran the half court offense through brown like tatum, they packed the paint also and he made plays also. One game he had 32/8/8. In my opinion Tatum and brown are the same player but slightly reversed lol. Tatum is the better shooter and ball handler, brown the better finisher and defender. Everything else relatively even lol.
I’m surprised/happy Tatum didn’t win finals mvp. He got a taste of what happened to Steph.
dwainfrett5385 true about tabum , but curry was that team best shooter .
Real MVP was the front office
I’m a Celtics fan and….. you couldn’t have said it better. I love those guys but idk how you could WATCH THE GAMES and not see what’s going on.
Edit: when I say “you” I’m referring to delusional Celtics fans not LOW
Tatum over brown fmvp is crazy. Especially after having a whole tatum slander video after game 2 🤣
SAS level of switch up
Your right but for you to discredit Tatum and Brown is crazy. Yeah they were inefficient but they still got it done, they showed up and did well when they needed to, also they’re team stepped up when they needed.
You are factually correct, AND IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU WIN. 🏆
1:17 no it isn’t. It proven you can win with those guys as your 1a and 1b.
This “oh the front office did their job” BS has to stop.
Literally every player in the top 10 (Unless Hakeem is in your top 10) had a great team around them.
Expecting Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown to have a subpar team and win is stupid.
The craziest thing about all this is we are talking about a 26 and 27 year old too. What players have done what they have done at this age?
My brother in Christ say you swear to god that the 2016 Cavs had a great team😭
@@mattgreen2258 so we aren’t gonna act like LeBron didn’t play with the heatles for his first two rings?
@@mattgreen2258the cavs from 15 to 17 were all time great in their own right stop the caping
@@Intr0vertical “in their own right” lmao fuck you mean stop the cap just look up the roster at the time shit was ass the 3rd best player was Kevin love. We had fucking James jones coming off the bench for solid role minutes tf are you even saying the team was garbage it was kyrie and bron vs the warriors. With delly holding it down on defense
@@Nick-sr4febrain dead boy I said the 2016 Cavs team who tf mentioned the heat?????😭 now swear on your life that the 2016 cavs had a competent roster compared to the warriors.
W LOW
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It's a total L. If you listen to half of it, he's contradicting himself on numerous points. He's wrong on Jaylon Brown, he contradicts himself when he has to admit Brown improved his shot but says he's basically the same player as last year 30 seconds later. Low talks a lot and is wrong loud. It's sad we live in an era where people value that.
@@rexsmith9074 nah lil bro, I just like his content cuz it’s entertaining and I don’t even play or watch ball
@@firestick4731exactly the point. He caters to non-ball players or knowers. He keeps believing it has to be one person leading the charge like a luka cause that just seems more appealing to people
Nobody tell him basketball is a team sport
It seems to be a deeply rooted American idea that it is, in fact NOT a team sport and it HAS to be one player doing it all. Maybe that is why Europeans are considered "soft". They are usually tought the game as a TEAM sport.
low knows its a team sport his man point was the 2 big stars in jb and jt are getting more credit for the win when in reality it was cause of how good the team was build around them
@oscarkouevi1900 porzingis who barely played? Derrick White who shot like shit outside of 3s, Pritchard was ass outside 2 half court heaves. If it wasn't tatum and brown you're saying Jrue, Horford and Hauser carried?
First throughtout this play of jt has been avg or bad with bad shotting split jb been good without a good team they would be stuck 2nd round loss or finals choker and tingus pingus came back and became a beast for the 2 playoff games not saying without them they would win but because of them they have a better odds of winning.
Now let me ask you if jt and jb didn't haave those player you name would they be winner today not likely
Tatum and brown are about to be paid like top tier players. Everyone knows the Celtics were the best team this year. They will not do this without elite talent around them 1-8.
Nothing "mid" about Tatum whatsoever. You probably look at shooting %s when judging Zeke destroying Terry Porter in the finals as well.
Yep. Those Piston teams who won the chip was mid AF. Along with those Spurs teams as well :)
At the end of the day, nothing has changed. Jayson Tatum aint this top 5, best player in the league people have been trying to make him out to be. Him and JB are good at basketball but in comparison to a lot of other players they are mid. They're too inconsistent even in the regular season.
That duo didn’t do any new from the last couple years sup till now. The rest of the team just got better.
He called Jaylen “the weakest 3point shooter on the floor.” - it’s ALWAYS the NON-hoopers doing all this rapping. NOBODY in Dallas’ locker room said “leave Jaylen open, he’s trash.” Just stroll down the comments… if your comments section is hating with you, you should know that you’re creating the landing strip for them to come say the same isht you’re saying. You built a little hate clan in here.
Honestly if im a Celtics fan I wouldn't give any energy to outside noise trying to diminish what your team accomplished. Winning an NBA title is ver very hard. Enjoy it man.
Your wrong lil bro yes the additions helped but saying Tatum didn’t play better and brown didn’t as well is absolutely corny
Honestly the first three games kinda sealed it for me. He was just consistently great shooting at or above 50% those first three games while hitting the dagger shot in game 2. As well as guarding Luka and limiting his efficiency.
The league is tired of Tatum’s failures, therefore Brawn won it and the team will blow up because they aren’t mature enough
JB & JT ARE BROTHERS..CELTICS HAVE 18 TITLES… ALL THE HATE IN THE WORLD CANT TAKE THAT AWAY… GO CELTICS.. WE RUN THE NBA☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆
😂😂😂
And LOW, the fact that Brad built the team around his best player’s weaknesses is what you’re supposed to do.
Ngl. I cannot give you a like, but neither a dislike. Tatum and Brown played well and they did find a way to win. Even if they both had short comings
Low bring back Peer to Peer pretty please
or at least play back😭
Both are never coming back sadly
@@randommoments5894what happened to playback bro...
Lets talk about that man Jrue Holiday's legacy 2 Chips in 3 years with 2 different teams Joel was right the Bucks did hand Boston the Chip by trading Jrue SMH
😂 so this went from a why Tatum deserves fmvp to criticizing both their flaws and saying the Celtics front office is the true mvp cause they made a roster that cld still win with two mid players
Low is a lakers fan 😂😂💯 it’s crazy how u didn’t say nothing positive of Jayson Tatum only the negatives 🤦🏾♂️ but Yu never bought up that jt led his team in Pts , assists and rebounds in a postseason .. jt has the most points made in the nba playoffs before turning the age of 27 ..
its cool. Weird how tatum 'haters' actually seem to think more highly of him than you fanboys. We expect excellence and rightfully point out lacking aspects in tatums performance just like we do with any superstar player. if you really think tatum is a superstar level player than hold him to that standard because excusing some of his performances makes it seem like you guys don't think he deserves that standard
@@er7776no I hold him to high standards he shot horribly this post season and his attitude towards the refs sometimes was making me mad but I can acknowledge that he improved in areas people criticized him for
Coming into the league he wasn’t looked as a defender now he is one of the best defenders in the league
Two years ago he lead the post season in turnovers and was a bad passer. He is now making behind the back passes and reading defenses
Beating big for boards.
What I can stand is that we slander Jayson Tatum but allow Joel Embiid, Luka, Anthony edwards etc to get passes.
Luka is awful defensively and has been his whole career the finals but people let that slide because he is in a heliocentric offense that is made to put up stats for him.
Joel Embiid has been worse than Jayson Tatum in a lot of post seasons
Shooting wise, defensively and passing. But we still allow him to comfortably sit at the top 5 because he puts up stats in the regular season.
Shoot ant had a bad game 7 in Denver and still won but people didn’t say Ant got carried. He performed bad in WCF worse than Tatum actually. Jaden McDaniel, Naz Reid and Conerly made those games close enough for a win so all the talk about Tatum “getting carried” he played good enough and well enough that he didn’t hurt his team.
Should’ve won finals mvp *next 10 minutes saying he sucks*
ive never seen some1 sound soo bitter and annoyed in a youtube video. All because a team he hates (Celtics) won a chip against a player he loves so much (Luka)
Everytime a player lead a team in every stat it was a locked mvp
Bron jokic td etc
Media hate so much tatum that he is the only one that didnt win the mvp
Everybody that knows ball knows that fmvp was JT
At the end of the day they won it all, that’s the goal, call how you want, they played good enough to get the job done and complete the ultimate goal. The expectations were win a ring, not win a ring and shot 50-40-90
W segment. It crazy how people on Players Choice were trying to gaslight LOW for speaking facts on this situation.
On that same show Low admitted he hates on Tatum
Get off Bubble Bass' meat
LOW, nothing you said matters when you win.
Stats do not mean a thing when you win, and the fact that the team was well built enough isn’t a bad thing.
tatum hurt his legacy more by winning a ring apparently ... nba fans are so weird
I appreciate your content so much bc I thought JB was mvp clearly but u definitely put things into perspective and now I’m on the side that JT is the REAL MVP
If JT was listed as and played as PG he would’ve won the FMVP with his stats.
jt a bum an wasn't getting shit done on both sides , he stat pad in game 5 and it was already too late especially when the game was decided in the first few minutes of the first quarter by jrue , tabum just did extra shit for himself , brown been cleared that overrated bum on both sides the first three games of that series , you and low know it and I know it .
12:35 Who is putting JT in kobe lebron convos nobody is doing that im a celtics fan and a jt fan we dont put him in those convos just say you're heavily biased against him bruh this tatum hate agenda is getting lame
According to low it’s better to be great for a team that loses than good for a team that wins like the point of playing isn’t to WIN
No I feel like Tatum was to inefficient to win yeah he playmaked well but he did the pass brown did when they collapsed Tatum the held the ball longer so when he passed they shot it while brown made a quick move and pass so it will be pass pass shot so no assist in the stat sheet and brown was more impactful offensively and defensively in the fist 3 games and I felt like it solidified it because when you up 3-0 the series is most likely over in 4 or 5 and Tatum was left open to they both had shot bad from 3 so he deserved it and the defense he played on Luka in game 5 he literally took him out of the game mentality
JT led the team in its, rbds ast, on 38/26/92 compared to JB 44/23/73. Jt also led in advanced metrics like box +/-, PER, and Vorp
Jt was 1 rbd aways from a 31pt triple double in the championship game. He also is the only reason the team was up in game 3 which was the 2nd most important game (he led for the first 3qts)
If you removed names, left just a silhouette there showed the stats and asked which player is better, NO ONE in their right mind would choose brown's stats
Sure let's ignore the efficiency and defense from games 1-3 and give it to him because of game 5.... And atleast use the truth... He had the worst TS% of their starters lol
@@reimixotatum was more valuable defensively and the far better playmaker, neither of them were great scorers therefore tatum=fmvp
@@lbp6233 bro was outplayed 1-3.... Face it... Tatum has not reached his potential yet... Face it.... And he was getting more assists making no shots and turning the ball Over..... And better defender? 😂😂😂 Tatum glazers are going crazy... Must have been c@ bricks....... Dude played bad for 3 games, had 1 good game... The other was the other way around.... You can argue ECF MVP, not finals MVP.... He built another brick house..... Coaching staff needs to help him fix his shot iq so he can be a top 5 player in the league
@reimixo he played great defense of you on about lmao. Tatum and brown are decimals apart in stls/blks. Also yes Brown did have the better TS%. 53% to tatums 50
But if you wanna go that route brown still had less defensive coverage then jayson and jayson stats are still better including the advanced statistics. Unless you wanna argue that JBs defense was THAT impactful. In that case give FMVP to JRue
@@lucidstudious750 i didn't say he didn't, but he did not play better on either end..... You wanna give Tatum the award for 1 game lol brown outplayed him 1-3.... The series was Over..... In the loss both played bad... If your team is up 3-0 with you shooting under 37% and your teammate is putting same or better Numbers on 55% while playing better defense then you? It's Over.....
But if you want to make a case for him, do not lie...... That way you don't have to edit your comments.... Please tell me where you Saw those advanced stats please cause I did not find them so can't say anything about them, but +- is a Trash stat.... Guys going 0-5 and 0-7 had better than brown in game 2 and another game....
But whatever, brown won and rightfully so, don't agree, your problem, the award is his.... Enjoy basketball
The front office desever that fmvp 1:51
if not brown? then brad.
No glazing...but every word of this video is 1000000% FACTS!!
Your take on this is trash 🗑️ Jaylon deserved that FMVP. And you need to value. You focus to much on stats. You think that Tatum deserved it because of passing? If the Celtics won 2010 finals, would you have the same energy for Rondo?
I hope he said this same thing about giannis cuz nothing about giannis game changed from 2020 to 2021 the only thing that changed was that his team got better but we all know he didn’t
Good video LOW you been on some crazy bs lately but i see whar youre saying here. I dont agree but you had some good points
Didn't you say JTs play making was not that special on Playback???
The best team wins the nba finals we know this. You said all that about Tatum but it doesn’t take away from the fact that he had one of the best seasons in NBA history plus playoffs only losing 3 games. Just give them their credit. Fuck the advanced stats they hooped n got it done. SIMPLE
Like you said, his team had the best season. HIS TEAM not Tatum or Brown. He literally said in the video people should talk about the team not just them 2. This ain’t no Curry and Klay situation where the rest of the team did Okay
@@DeeJayVon as the leader of his team he deserves the credit. Every great team has a head of the ship. Curry for the warriors, Jokic for the Nuggets, LeBron for his teams, etc. So to my point. Tatum is the head of the Celtics ship. The team runs through him and he gets everyone else involved making the team better. It’s been that way all season so for anyone to discredit their run because there’s no I in team, you look and sound like idiots.
@@DeeJayVon and to say it ain no Curry and Klay situation just tells me how much ball you watch. The 2022 warriors had the best defense in the NBA. Check the stats. They were just “okay” they were ELITE.
Stat man stat man yeah that’s me
Those issues reared their ugly head cus Porziņģis was injured all through the playoffs. Al doesn't space the floor the same way Porziņģis does and that's the part you are overlooking
Your Celtics hate is ridiculous 😂. Just say “congrats, the team and guy I slobber on so much lost to you guys and I didn’t want him to”.
No need to make a full “they still ain’t that good….” Vid. You definitely just sound like you’re hating my guy
@thelowpost Look at Joe interview, he said that he asks his players to keep shooting the threes to stretch the floor and keep the opposing defense guessing. I feel like you’re taking away a lot from them especially mentioning porzingis when he only played 4 games this postseason. If Tatum played like SGA or Ant and only shot based on drives he would average 30 but his team would have less options but the Celtics game plan was always for him to shoot 3’s for some reason. When you lead your Championship team in points rebound and assist while drawing the whole defense.
Luka shot a similar percentage as him from the field but since his team is weaker it doesn’t count ? Then Luka is probably the second worst volume shooter in the past 25 years and Steph is a close 3rd because Steph is shooting 45% for Tatum 44%, Kobe shot 44.8% from the field. Now Tatum doesn’t look as bad anymore.
In the end the Overall and average production of Tatum is still Elite, and it might not have been spread the way you’d want but it was done, every championship got bailed out by role players but somehow when it’s Tatum and Brown the situation is « Unique »
If Tatum didn't shoot bad we wouldn't be having this convo. Brown deserves it but overall Tatum was better
Bread Steven's the real finals MVP.
To be fair KP wasn’t there to pick up the slack for most of the playoffs
Everyone knew he was injury prone. The team made plans for that already, it wasn't like something that was unexpected and the team was scrambling.
@@DoremonUCR my point is JB and JT new "help" ended up being unable to help, so they actually did pull it off by themselves. L.O.W. is acting like KP was there all the way.
& No offense to Jrue. They definitely needed him
Brown got the FMVP because of Tatum, yes he shot poor but he drew the double team every time he put the ball on the floor. Whenever brown gets the ball, it’s always single coverage,
Lu dort was by far the best luka defender I fw luka but dort had luka crying the way he was committed to getting over screens and bumping luka off his spot
For everyone saying “but jaylen brown guarded Luka”. I would just like to acknowledge the importance of tatums versatility being able to be a primary matchup on the screener neutralizing lob threats and switch hunting , which one could argue was just important
Dude is shaped like a basketball 😂😂😂😂
Jayson Tatum is the Pete Wenz of the Celtics while Jaylen Brown is the Patrick Stump
I don't get it ?