My viewers redid the TREATY OF VERSAILLES LIVE
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- čas přidán 10. 11. 2023
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Today is the 105th anniversary of the armistice signed between Germany and the Entente, ending first World War, so happy Armistice, Veterans, or Remembrance Day and lets hope the diplomats dream of peace can one day actually come. The armistice eventually resulted in the Paris Peace Conference, which saw the creation of many new European states, and the end of the German and Austrian empires. Many today look back and say the Treaties of Versailles and Trianon wer far too harsh, so I decided to get 50 people from my discord, linked in description, assigned as diplomats for every nation involved, including all the independence movements to see how we would have reshaped Europe.
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I agree -- they definitely secured peace in Europe for at least the next three months.
It also Europe to create a some what more proper balance in Europe and creation of multiple more nations to help maintain that balance.
@@eidoneverchoosen1171
‘Cause of course since the introduction of nation-states Europe has been more peaceful 🙄
@@francescoparisi1081 Clearly more peacefull than at the time of small lords ruling morbillions of little counties constantly at war with each other
No it will probably will start insurgents wars in Greece and if ww2 happens it would be a 3 front war for greece
Well you never know there could be some actual dialogue before people fight over territory now that Germany is out of the picture
"What about the Bulgarian minority in Macedonia? What about that?"
"You lost the war!"
Average Balkans debate
yeah bulgaria was wrecked here, they got no support
Bulgaria should join either sebia or Rome
funny that this ideea wasnt implied to an austroungarian empire than still wished for Transivlanya fully- im Romanian
@@petrupiscoi921before 1914 Bulgarian wanted Romanian king to be theirs, and in 1919 the Hungarians wanted Ferdinand Hohenzollern as their king
Greece: 5k losses, fucking triples in size
Italy: 1 million losses, doesn't even gain lands that were promised to her 3 years prior
Ya but Greece probably lost some extra people taking the land with the British
Plus Greece qill become like 50% turk like that
@@andreamarino6010Not that much probably 20-40% at this time these lands still had Greeks in them
@@PizzaEXP if you took only coastal cities it would ptobably be only 10%, but if yoy take the entire regions... Check on wikipedia the census of 1914, you will see that muslims were the majority in the region, except for Smyrne maybe
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I loved the part where a 1918 Italian diplomat walked in the discussion room and requested permission to “let me cook”. Truly ahead of his time
Time stamp please 😭
@@cuh5018 37:58
It’s what the Italians do best after all. Their food is legendary.
Im italian. That is a huge relate
I came to the comments for this
“This is not peace, this is an armistice of 20 days” 😂
Try 10. I am sure their are plenty of unhappy civilians among the these nations lol.
@@eidoneverchoosen1171 lol it was really just a play on the actual quote “this is not peace, this is an armistice of 20 years.”
@@TheMasonKyep
47:50 "we have definitely secured peace in Europe for at least the next 3 months"
Seems about right
more like 2 weeks
@@Polskie573 nah the ppl need time to process how ingenuous this is. It's like the stages of greif. First month is denial, second is acceptance, third is war
@@theshoe1391 makes sense :L
Nah Europa would have so many insurgents in their claimed lands so much that they will get in a civil war 💀
Ferdinand Foch would've still said his "This is only a 20 year armistice" thing, but now all I can imagine is Karl the 1st saying this quote now.
It's so impressive how unstable this result looks
nah its looks so stable, the most stable europe ever lol
@@Videntis.HistoryAs a greek, I approve.
Austria just sipping Beer whilst the world around them burns, can see them just waiting for everyone around them to weaken and then have Germany join them for a german superstate
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Greece straight up being a majority muslim country in this reality 😂
Turkey won't even need to invade, separatism will do it's work as soon as British start going home.
@@starhalv2427 yeah lmao
Luxemburg wanting a Catholic crusader state in Israel is great 😂
As a Luxembourger I apprrove of these visions.
@@darkii4978 You're not a luxembourger, you're a luxury burger.
As a luxembourger too i also approve@@darkii4978
Based Luxembourg
@@darkii4978 as an israeli I invite you to invade (I'm not catholic)
Assyrian player here, Turkey got robbed but I'm very satisfied with what we were able to accomplish and this is a grand video
actually impressed you got accurate borders ngl
She achieved her natural borders! 😂
yea other than greek part its pretty good
Imo Turkey will most likely join what ever alliance promises them land in the next war considering their heavy loss of territory and thus makes them a major issue for more wars.
@@Khajiidaro well, i think turkey can just only fund rebelious turks organizations in anatolia, it's just greece, they can try to defend itself, and i think they can even maintain thrace and constantinople, but any holding in anatolia is just asking to be robbed
Germany in the next five minutes: "So when are we uniting with Austria?"
Turkey was DEFINITELY the nation that got the worst deal compared to our timeline. They lost practically every important city expect Ankara as well as over half their land. Turkey is defiantly going to go fascist or ultra nationalist in the future.
Maybe they go communist
What about Bulgaria?
This is the main reason of Why you's shouldn't make overly harsh treaties.
@@ricardogomes3820the difference is how much weaker Bulgaria would be, they just wouldn’t pose a threat to any of their neighbours in a one on one battle
HOLY SHIT, ALEXANDER, THERE'S A METAL GEAR RISING FROM THE WATER. Wait, why is it shaped like a kebab? OH, SHIT ITS RUNNING TOWARDS US, FUCK... (they were never heard from again)
I was both the Luxembourg & Hungarian player. It’s a shame the new Kingdom of Jerusalem didn’t come into fruition, but the Habsburg’s came out on top in the end! Peace for at least 3 months indeed!
Oooga booga
you definetly made this video 10x funnier than it already was haha
Glory to the Kingdom of Jerusalem of Luxembourg
Legend
"Poland demands some small concessions from the Germans"
*Asks for 1/3 of their remaining land
We'll discuss. Let's go back 123 years, then Poland also had the entire Greater Poland and Pomerania with an undeniable majority. In 1918, the majority of Poles still ruled these lands, especially Greater Poland
This number of the Polish population decreased due to Germanization. Galicia was also Polish for 600 years
@@Amicable29 What do you mean "123 years"? Greater Poland, even as far back as 1450, was germanized in the upper prussian lands (With no exception for the polish corridor). Silesia was slavic, but not polish. 123 years ago, however, would be 1901, and by that time the ethnic composition was already pretty much the same as the time the treaty is being done, even if less german.
@@Amicable29 Regarding the claim that galicia was polish for 600 years, it was only the western parts, not the eastern ones.
@@Yanxve He means 123 years ago from 1918 perspective, so that would be 1795, not 1901
Austria didn't even really lose that much in the treaty! It was still fun to be apart even if I was a nervous wreck.
I’m proud that the catholic Habsburgs will continue their rule over the Danube under a more democratic and autonomous rule. You guys did great and I hope the Habsburg realms and Germany will stabilize Central Europe under constitutional monarchism for the far future.
I think they even got out stronger then they were somehow.
@@ricardogomes3820 austria losing the world war and expanding🧠
@@Videntis.History they pitied the bad performance of Austria lmao
@@theunspokenwarsoffiction2235austria was so bad everyone decided they needed more germans for stability and still gave them all of central europe while reviving the roman empire🤣
Most realistic senario are the peace talks between Israel and the Arabs
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I guess the Faisal-Weizmann agreement succeeded here
They were so simple with it too 😂 imagine if thats how it was in real life
@@Idontlikethebritish Israel player here: Turns out all you need to do is talk to them 🤷
@@fakeskyler2305 thats what they do irl tho lol
Germany and Austria Hungary definitely got off easy, and Greeces foreign policy bordered on the insane 😂
Not even a Greek Otto von Bismarck would have achieved such a diplomatic feat 😅
They did have the unconditional support of the British though, so it is reasonable with that taken into consideration
Greece be literally like: I like land
@@wilsonriley1856 Considering Greece couldn't even hold on to Western Thrace or Ionia given to it in the real life Treaty of Sèvres, I think the British were beyond bordering insanity handing the territory to Greece, her military, and very notably incompetent officers who were described as delusional by most military scholars during the embarrassing Greco-Turkish war where they lost to an opponent of equal number fighting using a lot of donated privately owned rifles and a uniform half made up of sandals and underclothes requisitioned from random Turkish households across Anatolia and a couple Soviet loans. If the real life Entente's major powers couldn't hold on to a divided Turkey irl it just wasn't going to happen at all.
Hungary deserves to get off easy, even in our timeline they were against war but still got punished the harshest out of all the Axis. The monarchy is a questionable move in this alternate universe but at least Hunagry got its rightful lands
As the China player, I can confirm that this is a decisive Chinese victory
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Austria and Italy being Real friends for the first time
🎵for the first time forever 🎵
@@Videntis.History we will Get continuation Yes?
"Gentlemen we have achieved peace in Europe for at least 3 months!" They would get home from the war and have to turn around and go back at it again. Seriously though that Map would make a good HOI4 Mod
that would be cool, i would love to see it
@@Videntis.Historyhi, man, i’m new here. I signed up to the game like 4 days ago… What do I do? Do I wait for a personal message in Discord? And from who? How will I know if I apply and how will I join? Will there be some link? Thanks bro
this treaty is WORSE
Way worse for my glorious Romania 😭
Guaranteed to explode into conflict in a year, also not demilitarizing the losers of the war and letting them get bigger definitely means a few governments are about to get overthrown for the "victors"
Yeah the dalmatian debate was pretty heated. What I think would be a fond compromise is Istria goes to Italy with a dalmatian republic going from Zara south to Dubrovnik(ragusa) as those lands were historically ruled by the Italians of Venice and ragusa
Hopefully we’re getting a part
@@theunspokenwarsoffiction2235 you think it looks bad for you ? I am Bulgarian ...can you imagine the amount of war crimes we do commit the next time we are given the chance ?
Never let discord mods into office 💀💀
Austria honestly only really made net bonuses, gaining the southern German states, strengthened their core and more importantly losing the instability of having to deal with the Balkans. This almost looks like they fought on the side of the Allies and won.
Least effective Austrian diplomat:
I love how it immediately got more uncivilized when they got to the Balkans. Very realistic
Luxembourg had some GOALS for Jerusalem 😂😂😂😂
Dat ass gutt!
Wish it happened in real life.
"We've definitely secured peace in europe for at least the next 3 months" sums up the entire video well
As the Arabian player, this was tons of fun to do. Looking forward to whats next.
Glad you liked it
I think you and the other actually did better than the actual treaty
@@roiwelboren9302I agree
Poland betted it all and lost it all RIP
Go big or go home, they want home 😂
Homie should have been more humble
Poland wasn't even trying to go big
As the greece player this was hella fun. Byzantine restored 💪
Greeces ‘wet’ dreams
You made us proud 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷
Constantine XI o7
Byzantium straight up being a majority muslim country in that reality 😂😂😂
@@starhalv2427 And Greece gets this for barely participating in the war and even had many who didn’t want to join the war.
“Um what about the Bulgarian minority in makedonia🤓
“You lost the war🗿”
"Peace in Europe is secured for at least the next three months"
Couldn't say it better myself
I was playing as Estonia and I must say that Poland trying to be ultra expansionist was dumb and actually never planned nor recognized by the other Intermarium players
Ayup ukraine from 2023 here I think I had a bad time
No it wasn't. Uk and france are at fault for not being historically accurate and supporting polish claims
The German Austrian Alliance essentially got off scott free, even if they internally redistributed some land some land.
Realistically, nobody would accept these terms without some of their land being ceded to the allies, or to some neutral country.
france got more land here and the austrians lost croatia
@amliko8381the fact that Czechoslovakia wasn’t given all of historical Bohemia was annoying.
Gotta love how Austria comes out with more ethnically homogeneous land than they started with
Bro this treaty is fucking wild XD, I love the Eastern Roman Empire! Roma Est Invicta! Long live the Baselios!
This treaty us more fair and it maintain and restores the balance of Europe as has been done for centuries.
@@eidoneverchoosen1171 real
@@eidoneverchoosen1171Restoring that balance and peace to Europe as it had been during the war
Hell yeah!!
Amazing idea for a video, and what high quality it is at the same time. You basically recreated the PH streams with way more members, and made it actually a lot more easy to follow, Kudos!
Glad you enjoyed it! I hope this video does well so I can do more of these in the future
@@Videntis.HistoryCan't wait for part 2! Also I'd love to see a ww2 peace deal like this with the treaty of paris.
I was the Armenian player. The treaty was really fun, even though I think Greece got away with too much. I like that I was able to achieve all my major strategic goals. Can’t wait for the medieval rp to start!
🇬🇷 on top of
@@thebalkanhistorian.3205 yes Greece is on top of
wow that's ironic for the one who got completely decimated by the Turks lmao, but yeah I definitely agree too
@@thebalkanhistorian.3205Amen
You were really dumb for not being historically accurate and not supporting the state of czechia as well as not supporting the separation of the catholic countries.
This is legitamately one of the best "(blank) treaty redone" videos I've seen. A WWII would be aces
i loved the italian player "let me cook" or "well never say never because the roman empire once owned the suez", incredibly based
Germany and Austria the whole video: “THERES ALSO GERMANS THERE”
We we absolutely need of the part 2!!! I want to see the newly reunited Roman Empire between Italy and Greece
"we've secured peace for at least 3 months" 💀💀💀
I actually really like the premise of getting with a few people and rewriting a historical treaty. I saw the collab you did with Possible History and a few others a while back and that's when I started looking out for your channel, glad I did!
"Let me cook" -Italian diplomat, 1919
I’d join the medieval one but I don’t have the time and don’t really wanna hold anyone back on their things
all good
Croatia player here, i got myself a bit of state but damn we lost our slovenia
That divided Bosnia hurts my Bosnian ass
@@bosanski_Cevap sorry bro, you're now part of two states
@@amir_icekingas an Italian who’s ancestors used to inhabit dalmatia, u didn’t deserve an inch of land
@@Boretheory cope and seethe :trollface:
Italy player here! The peace treaty was a lot of fun! 😃
Greetings as Portugal
@@warcriminalgaming2359 cool
Glory to us Brazil says
Dalmatia moment
@@GustavoHenrique-ml1xf opa um br aí ó
WE RETAKING CONSTANTINOPLE WITH THIS ONE BOYS!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️
As a Greek I approve. Greece definitely got way too good a deal.
Thanks so much Videntis for letting me speak as the United Kingdom now listening to the audio it is a little obvious that I wasn’t with the others 😅 again thanks so much for allowing me to fill in
For sure
I loved your role as the UK! You did great
You played perfectly accurate UK of that time
bro I was saying so much stuff during the proposals but none of it recorded. Most of the stuff you said though did cover what I was thinking so it worked out in the end (I was the original UK diplomat)
@@solo_leo4454 How would you consider Bulgaria's situation
I would love to see a sequel to this with the Paris Peace Treaties, which would include Italy, Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, and Poland, even possibly Russia, as the Axis Powers, trying to gain the lands which they consider are rightfully theirs. I just think it would be cool.
This was fantastic! Love to see more like this.
As a Greek I approve of this
Portugal here, this was fun (even if I missed some of it 💀)
At least we got it friend (Brazil)
I am the Lithuania player and it's been a pleasure
How do you feel with being betrayed and annexed by White Ruthenia (Belarus) tho?
@@Pigraider268it's sad but hey Poland made that decision
peace has truly been accomplished
Yep I can't see in anyway this could end in war in a couple of days 😅
I don’t think Germany or Austria will be as aggressive as they where in our timeline, fascism won’t rise in those countries.
But just like in our timeline, you have gifted Italy to fascism, and possibly Spain later.
Exactly, Italy got even less land of irl, Mussolini will have an easy time gaining support from the veterans
@@guderianunderlsd here’s another question, was Japan included in this?
Because if it was and there was a player, and he didn’t get a say, then japan also falls to fascism.
@@Tonybob12 well It wasn't technicaly fascism but you have a point
Turkey probably too
Having Ukraine and Russia in the same room wasn’t the best idea
where did you get that map from? i kinda wanna use it
« Never ask the British to draw borders » has never been as true as with Greece 😂
hey i didnt want this lol
Greece, Belarus, Serbia and India are probably the biggest winners. Britain gets honorable mention for acquiring so many new important port cities, but the loss of India outweighed all of their gains by a wide margin. Not to mention how India successfully defeating the Empire might have triggered other nationalist uprisings down the line. That move alone probably shaved 10-15 years off of the life-span of the British Empire.
Aside from the territorial losses, it sounds like Germany got off with basically a slap on the wrist. No armament restrictions, no reparations, just the cession of land to France and Austria and the loss of their rather meager colonial possessions in Africa. I'd bet the Hohenzollerns wouldn't have too much trouble holding onto power in this scenario, since they probably wouldn't have the same kind of extreme economic depression that the Weimar Republic had to contend with in the '20s. The Kaiserreich has lost the majority of its navy, but has maintained the majority of its population and industry and hasn't been disarmed at all. I think it was an interesting play by Britain to lean so hard into more lenient terms for Germany, probably with the goal of being able to counter the French on the Continent in anticipation of conflict with them in the future. Interestingly, I also heard no mention of Tsingtao, Kaiser-Wilhelmsland or Germany's other Pacific holdings. Did everyone just forget about them, or was Germany allowed to keep it's Asiatic colonies?
And as an aside, I find it hilarious and completely justified how basically everyone said "Yeah, screw the Bolsheviks" and just started stripping land away from them 😂
UK player here, the odds were super stacked against the Indians but the mechanic allowed them to win the war somehow they got super lucky. Also, the British empire in this scenario would likely live longer I believe, or maintain a strong maritime presence, as I secured every choke point of the Mediterranean, and off screen I was intending to form some imperial federation kind of thing. I also co owned Cyprus with Greece in exchange for the Gallipoli treaty port. Persia will be good for resources, and I don’t have to worry about middle eastern colonies as much. Although you are probably right, it would inspire other rebellions, India itself tho will be unstable with the Muslim minorities and other ethnicities. Also we didn’t really do armaments and reparations just land exchange
@@solo_leo4454 Ah, interesting. Yeah, if the Empire transitioned into a more federated structure, that would probably buy it quite a bit more life.
What about the German East Asian colonies? Did those get parceled out as well off-screen, or were they left in tact?
@@rmartinson19 yea we dealt with them off screen
So, who got which pacific colonies@@solo_leo4454
Interesting and better than many I've seen, though I think the Poland delegate went a bit off the rails instead of being willing to counter propose something more reasonable from their primary demand, when they did have sea access through Lithuania being united into Poland. Also I don't get how Germany giving Austria lands is a concession worth not losing other stuff, when Austria was on the German side.
Love your content man! thanks for all your hardwork! Suggestion: What if Henry the Young King (Son and heir of Henry II of england) survived and he managed to maintain the Angevin Empire?
He may have won the hundred years war much earlier and annex france into England.
I laughed out loud when you included the F1 radio sound effect 🤣🤣
5 sec penalty for ocon
PLEASE REDO THIS WITH ANOTHER HISTORIC TREATY PLEASE! THIS WAS SOOO ENTERTAINING
Germany player here, this was a lot fun hope to do it again :D
Hi
As a French with Polish heritage I find this thumbnail quite appealing
I would love to see this continue, we all can tell that this outcome will definitely lead to so many wars breaking out in the future.
This is something I would actually love to participate in, either as Czechia or Armenia. Great idea to make such an event!
Dam, you made Versailles treaty look like heaven...
If there is a WWII in this timeline, I can see the Turks being more involved with the Axis. Also, there was no mention of Japan, therefore the Empire of Japan still rises. Also, what about the Irish? Do they still get the Irish Free State or will Indian Independence mean full independence for the entirety of Ireland?
The people who were roleplaying this really did a good job at this!
“This is not a peace, this is a 20 seconds armistice”
This timline is cursed and i love it lol.
the russia part is crazy, that would never happen
Yeah the Russians would never and I mean never agree to that
The fact that you manage to make the Versailles treaty look good, has got to be some sort of achievement
Turkey and Bulgaria got unreasonably harsh peace treaties as it will turn out that almost half of their populations lives outside than inside of their respective countries.
Also Italians were around 5% of dalamtian population at highest and not higher than 20% in cities, and in Istra Italians were never over 50% of population, and in 1900. were just ⅓ of total Istrian population. And on theme about Zadar (Zara), Rijeka (Fiume), Pula (Pola) and Trst (Trieste) Italians there made up maybe a little above 50% but never were absolute majority expecially cities like Trst and Rijeka who were multicultural and never had any majority.
This is wild but an interesting retake on history. As an Italian, knowing the events of history will likely mostly repeat itself for us, It's very likely that Mussolini will still rise to power and raise the flag of a Third Rome that will upset the balance as history taught me enough that the two roman empires will largely fight for influence over the balkan states. The stalemate will still mean the annexation of Ethiopia, as the League of Cesar will inevitably try to control Suez as England will be salty asf and likely try to embargo India from direct connection to Europe, actually making the Italian colonies and the Arab League the most direct communication with the central continent.
In my personal opinion, World War 2 is unavoidable but will be very different. Not to call this a failure, actually I appreciate the accuracy of the mess it made, although definitely not created the basis for German to go down a certain road as most of the lands they want are actually in Austrian hands and their good standings could bring up very different standards.
5:45 (If I were the Croatian representative): Yes, Italians do live on the Istrian and Dalmatian coasts. Venice did at one time control these territories, but ethnically, the two are drastically different. According to the Austro-Hungarian census of 1910, Italians are a relative majority of 356,000, or 40%, of the population of the Austrian Littoral, most of whom live along the Adriatic coast. In Dalmatia, however, of its 635,000 people, only 18,000 identify as Italian. Zadar, the capital of the Dalmatian kingdom and the city with the most ethnic Italians, were only shown to represent about 18.6% of its population. If we, the representatives here today, were to give the Dalmatian coast to Italy, it would only heighten ethnic tensions in the region and possibly bring about another ethnic conflict in the Balkans. Let this meeting remind ourselves that the Habsburg Empire, under its domain over numerous ethnic and linguistically separate territories, became both one of the main contributing factors to its downfall and what ultimately started the Great War. What we believe would be in the best interest of the Croatian and Italian peoples would be to draw Istria under ethnic lines and give their respective territory to the nations of their proper tongue, ceding the Italian-majority city of Fiume to Italy and giving the territory once belonging to the Kingdom of Dalmatia to the Croatian state.
damn
@@Videntis.History I have a problem
Aint reading allat
this looks like fun, might join and check it out
This is totally interrsting, i would love more videos like this.
I'm gonna subscribe now
Thanks
I am Caflic and usual when I watch videos about history almost no one even touches on the Caflic religion so you have no idea how happy I am just to hear them talking about it
cool
Do you mean, Catholic?
@@joeboah6040bruh
@@joeboah6040 Yes
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Pity I wasnt able to join in as the brazilian player, since I couldnt use my Discord at the time, though I think my compatriot did a good job
Awesome vid and looking forward to see if there will be a sequel to this scenario
This was beautiful! Amazing video!
I’d love to be apart of the next one, this sounds like so much fun.
nobody: germany im getting that damn railway
i'd love to the see a simulation of the future based on this exact map. including ww2, cold war plus whatever conflict this alternate scenario brings
So the idea of this project is really really good and i love it. The only issue for me is cleary those players just love alternate history but have 0 geopolitical knowledge, like the british just act as the all powerfull mediator in every theatre with 0 opposition of other great power.
And it's a bit sad that the political situation of the state does nothing for the negotiations. Like austria Hungary was a crumbling state way before 1918 and i really think not a single political figure in any old hasburgian land would say that they are good at multi ethnic empire. And the Kayser just couldnt stay in power with spartakyst uprising in Germany.
And finaly i dont understant how the wars during négociations would happend that easily and end up in thoses results. Like IRL Turkey fought and won against a fairer treaty against Greece, Britain and France. And you want me to belive they got crush instant against just Britain and greece ? Wile Britain would also be involved in the russian civil War ?
As a Greek, this is beyond any ethnic fever dream ever dreamed 😂
Hey I love your content I have a scenario For you what if Johnathan Swift Declared Independence for Ireland And Ireland becomes the United States Version in Europe
That was wild I hope the medieval game is as fun
Gonna be like EU IV and CK lll but on crack lmao
@@amlking On more crack, let's be honest here
Greece with 5k casualties becoming the Roman Empire while Italy with 1 million loses gets only South Tyrol, Istria and half of Albania, that is wild, fair play to Britain
"Poland, this is bonkers."
(c) Lloyd George, Treaty of Versailles, 1919.
Now I loved this Austria but how did they got out stronger then before the war. Since they lost the war
diplomatic masterstroke lol
This is so cursed, and I love it
An important thing about the end of WW1 for Poland, was that with the exception of Danzig being semi-independent and Pomerania going to them, the rest of territorial changes happened not because of Versailles, but because of one of the following:
a) Wars with Ukraine, Lithuania and Soviets in the east
b) A number of small scale military conflicts between Polish freedom fighters and Germany
c) The Polish people of Russia and Austro-Hungary self-organising into a country (Polish people of Germany are under the "b" cathegory)
Treaty of Versailles only served to legitimise and set in stone changes that happened mostly on their own.
P.S: Man, Greek viewer was just a greedy larper. Historically accurate I guess.
Alright, here's what'd most likely happen if that version of Versailles was executed:
- The Polish uprising in Greater Poland, Silesia, and since in this version of events Poland wasn't given it peacefully Galicia and Pomerania as well. These areas were already full of military conflict at the end of our war, but here with Polish army not tied up fighting the Soviets and Germans being the ones supported by Versailles, I predict a full scale Polish-German war by 1920.
- There is no way, absolutely 0 chance Greece can hold the territories they got in this deal. In this reality they've pretty much become a muslim majority population, and I predict they'll implode due to Turkish separatist movement even without Turkish military invasion. They're also likely to be invaded by Bulgaria. Also, if they feel too confident in their national might due to such great territorial gains, they might start a war with Serbia over Northern Macedonia.
- Small thing, but I'm 95% sure there's gonna be an Albanian uprising against Italy by 1925. Since the year 1900 they had over 3 uprisings against Ottomans despite being majority muslims, ain't no way they'll accept Italian rule without a fight.
- Romania is definitely gonna be dissatisfied and continue the war against Austria-Hungary, much like in history they fought against Hungary over Transylvania. The crucial difference is that this time they hold Bulgarian and Ukrainian territories, so I predict that Austro-Hungary, Ukraine and Bulgaria will join together in a war against them.
- Speaking of Austria-Hungary, Czechs and Slovaks are very unlikely to accept to stay in this country, as they were already rising up as a nation by the time Versailles was made. Considering that, maybe with Romanian and Czechs and Slovaks and Polish working together they'll lead to Austro-Hungarian collapse.
- Israel will fall. Straight up.
- Lithuania/Belarus/Whatever monstrocity was created here controls territories with huge minority populations, especially Polish minority- who'd actually be the second or third biggest ethnicity in that country. Historically there was a conflict between Poland and Lithuania over the city of Vilno itself. Not to mention Estonian and Latvian minority also unlikely to accept that kinda deal. My prediction is that both Poland and Soviets will refuse to recognise that state's very existence, and with high popularity that Soviets had in these territories, especially in Latvia and Belarus, I don't see them surviving.
- Israel will not survive a year of existing, unless it renames itself to "Palestine" and adopts Islam as official religion. Until late 1920's AT LEAST there weren't nearly enought Jews in the area compared to how many Arabs there were to constitute a realistic formation of their country.
There are tons of examples like those above, but I focused on areas I have enough knowledge about to give an informed opinion.
can I download this map somewhere? I wanna do some funny alternative world wars mapping stuff with this lol
The rest of Asia was added to the Medieval Game. So sign up if you want to play in Europe or Asia.
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Youre awesome man! Always look forward to your content!
Will there be another one of these
This might actually secure future peace for France and Britain. Looks like the main points of future wars will be Eastern Europe (Soviet Russia will aggressively fight to reclaim lands), the Balkans (Croatia will possibly join Serbia or not, Bulgaria will likely be fully partitioned, many Bulgarian rebellions against the Byzantines will occur, wait, that sounds familiar), and Anatolia (the Turks outnumber the Greeks so badly, that they will be sure to rebel many times, especially with support from the still independent Turkey). Byzantium will unquestionably be dismantled again by Turkey, but may retain Constantinople.
Russia will be the next major aggressor in Europe.
I really love this format! Great job! However, I do think that neither Russia nor Turkey should have been punished this hard
Look forward to partake in one of this