The Early Years and Disjointed History of Sabretooth - X-Men Origins
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- History of the Marvel Universe No. 268
The Origin of Victor Creed, Sabretooth
Sources:
Opening Artwork
- Sabretooth 001 (2004)
- Wolverine 050 (2007)
The Lupine
- Wolvering 053 (2007)
- Wolverine 312 (2012)
Early Victims
- Uncanny X-Men 326 (1995)
Chained Up in the Cellar
- Sabretooth 001-002 (1993)
- X-Men Unlimited 003 (1993)
- X-Men Origins: Sabretooth (2009)
- Deadpool 009 (2016)
Victoria's Survival
- Wolverine 011 (2011)
Rail Work
- X-Men 033 (1994)
Clara and Saul Creed
- Origin II 001-005 (2014)
Meeting Logan in Ravencroft
- Ruins of Ravencroft: Sabretooth (2020)
Creed fights Logan in Japan
- Wolverine 052-053 (2007)
The Murder of Silver Fox
- Wolverine 010 (1989)
- Wolverine Origins 005 (2006)
- Wolverine 050 (2007)
- X-Men Origins: Sabretooth (2009)
Iowa, 1912
- Wolverine Origins 012-015 (2007)
Chicago, 1929
- Savage Wolverine 020 (2014)
Nanking, 1938
- Death of Wolverine: The Weapon X Program 003 (2015)
Avengers 1959
- New Avengers 010-013 (2011)
- Avengers 1959 001-005 (2011-2012)
Red Skulls Artwork
- Amazing Spider-Man 366 (1992)
Team X
- Wolverine 049-050 (1991)
- X-Men 005-007 (1992)
- Wolverine 064 (1992)
- Wolverine Origins 007-008 (2006)
- X-Men Origins: Sabretooth (2009)
- Wolverine 011 (2011)
Epsilon Red
- Wolverine 068 (1993)
- Maverick 001 (1997)
Leni Zauber
- Sabretooth 003-004 (1993)
The Birth of Nightcrawler
- X-Men Unlimited 004 (1994)
- Uncanny Origins 008 (1997)
- Uncanny X-Men 428 (2003)
- X-Men Blue: Origins 001 (2023)
Vietnam, 1968
- Weapon X 026-027 (2004)
The Foreigner
- Spectacular Spider-Man 116 (1986)
Encounters with Logan After Team X
- First X-Men 001-005 (2012-2013)
- Logan: Shadow Society (1997)
- Wolverine 054 (2007)
- Wolverine Minus 1 (1997)
Sabretooth versus Gambit
- X-Men 033 (1994)
Catalyst and Destiny
- Sabretooth and Mystique 001-003 (1996-1997)
The Death of Seraph
- Wolverine 126 (1998)
- Wolverine Origins Annual 001 (2007)
Sabretooth in the Marvel Age
- Iron Fist 014 (1977)
- Marvel Super-Heroes 010 (1992)
- Power Man and Iron Fist 066 (1980)
- Power Man and Iron Fist 078 (1982)
- Power Man and Iron Fist 084 (1982)
- Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man 116 (1986)
- Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man 119 (1986)
Mutant Massacre
- X-Factor 010 (1986)
- Uncanny X-Men 212-213 (1986-1987)
- Uncanny X-Men 350 (1997)
- X-Men Origins: Gambit (2009)
Additional information from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
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These guys have so much memory loss you'd think they'd just ask the people who were there what happened to them. And its surprising they retain such consistent personalities & morals with all that memory loss
Go pro cameras would have done a world of good. Lol JK
Romulus is a bad idea. He needs to be retconned to be non-canon
Yeah, didn’t Percy bring him back?
agree
EXCELLENT history of Sabretooth!
I agree 💯 that his history being retconned MULTIPLE times makes his linear timeline CONFUSING A F.. but hopefully Marvel Comics will someday publish a Sabretooth Orgins.. similar to the Wolverine Orgins that revealed that he was at LEAST 200 years old.
Btw THAT story implied that Sabretooth was Wolverine's HALF BROTHER.. adding even MORE confusion to his history!
Btw it's a GREAT coincidence that this video was released right after Marvel Legends has just released the DEFINITIVE Sabretooth figure!
Anyways keep up the great work brother,.. always looking forward to your Marvel Comics origin stories 👑
Bro, more like 135-140 tops.
And having the new figure in hand you realize Hasbro has a long way to for definitive version of Creed. To start it needs the Diamond Selects height and body shape, but with the ML articulation on a new pinless body. Can't shake the feeling that a new one will be released for the X-Men 97 line that will be more accurate.
Edit
Oh if you have the old Creed, his head make the new figure look way better.
@@YakBat Yea I have the O.G. Sabretooth & I did the head swap but IMO the head sculpts on the new Sabretooth look better.
Btw I agree 💯 that they'll release an animated version soon.. possibly on the Caliban BAF body... because in the O.G. X Men animated series Creed was HUGE.👑
And to think, all this happened before his first appearance in Iron Fist. Another contender for the most retconed Marvel character.
My suggestion for a future video is the Alpha Flight member SASQUATCH.
As always, MAKE MINE THE MERRY MARVELITE !!!!
I hate that they nerfed him into a mindless brute. I loved him as a cunning serial killer who Wolverine could never beat
Always wanted to learn more about Sabretooth Wolverine's rival so this well worth the wait thank you 😄👏🏻
His first appearance was against Luke cage
Iron fist@@johnlawful2272
Sabertooth is one of my favorite Marvel villains. You did a great job on his history!
Sabertooth is my favorite foe of Wolverine. I think part of the reason Victor hates Logan so much is due to the fact that Logan has friends, and something of a family. He can control his beastial side, to an extent. Victor has no friends, no family. He has embraced his beastial side wholeheartedly.
All that hell that was inflected on everyone just because of Jealousy ? Dude's petty as can be
@@seeleunit2000 well, yeah, sociopaths ARE petty
Sabretooth was given several chance to have friends and become a part of a team but he throws it all away everytime because he likes being alone
THIS CHANNEL IS 'EXCELSIOR' 👍 ..
Sabertooth killed his brother on his birthday for pie?
How did they not have cake?
Nope. Probably no cake in the old west at all. Old north. Whatever.
I would argue that Sabretooth NEVER got a birthday or xmas presents or anything. Abused kids don't get presents, I know too well.
No cake for me either and I was a very angry and savage creature til about 30. My daughter was born in 2000, my 29th year, and SHE is the reason I put down my fists.
Sabretooth is Wolverine number one enemies of all time.
But a Daredevil villain until Chris Claremont found the right place for him in the X-Men as him and Logan has never been connected in ANY way on page...epic writing over the decades,further growing the mythos
Iron Fist villain, you mean .
I was waiting for this one! Would love to see a part 2. Excelsior!
Thanks for the amazing video ❤
Also…The Lupine? WHY DO WRITERS KEEP TRYING TO ASSOCIATE LOGAN WITH WOLVES? A WOLVERINE IS A WEASEL, NOT A DOG!
Actually, wait a second…why does Victor even go by Sabertooth? He doesn’t have saber teeth, he’s got claws.
Diluted lore.
This was excellent work and research! Thanks for this video; it cleared up a lot of misinformation surrounding Sabertooth
This was very interesting. I never knew all of this about Victor Creed's background & origins! Nice job!
Just what I needed to see after work🔥🤝🏽
Love your stuff!
New to channel but lovin it!! Well done!
Out of the villains Logan has faced Sabertooth takes the cake he literally made the man’s life a living a nightmare for all his life in history and present. No wonder Logan can’t catch a break without Sabertooth causing trouble. But I always wonder can Wolverine really beat Sabertooth in a one on fight with using their claws? I know people say he’s stronger than Wolverine but I still wonder is that really true? Love the vids and thanks for telling us the history of this villain. ❤🖤
I hope Victor gets a Part 2 in the future.
I love this channel man
I've always been a fan of Victor. He's the bad guy that Wolverine looks over both of his shoulders in the hopes of avoiding...
Wolverine should BEEN killed Vic a LOOONNNGG ago!! Because fans likes him so much, he's kept around!! Kinda like Joker over in DC
@@EddieParker-lb3vi
He's one of the funnest psychos to watch operate. Viciousness personified...
And funny thing is until the Morlock genocide with the mauraders, sabertooth has been primarily a Daredevil 3rd tier villain and then they put him and wolverine and hunted to a past... EVERY BIT before that is a complete Retcon Masters ❤❤❤
Best marvel history on CZcams!
Would love a part two.
Nice
thumbs up for this epic on the one true beast. El Tigre!
The nikolodian character El Tigre
Can you do history of the characters mentioned in this video?
If you did the history of Madelyn Pryor in honor of the release of X-Men 97 show, Are you going to do history of Lilandra, Changeling and Bishop next?
Sabertooth's dad believing his sadistic nature was "satanic" in nature sounds like everyone you hear on the internet all day claiming everything they don't like is _demonic._ I'm not sure how these people are able to leave their houses and function in society without stuffing crippling panic attacks every 5 minutes, thinking everything is "demonic"🤣🤣🤣
Love this crazy guy my boy
Please do part 2🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
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Love the villains ill always support Sabertooth the OG bully 💪👍💪
You left out the part where Professor X was gonna recruit Sabretooth into the X-Men before he was gonna recruit Wolverine.
Woo it’s always good to see these two go at it lol 😝
Huh. I thought Sabretooth was Dog from Wolverine’s backstory.
😂😂😂😂
That's hilarious to imagine
I think it started off as allusions as the Rose character resembles Jean Grey and that's where it ends.
There was a rumor after that they did plan on making him Dog as an implanted memory @@quentinfogger5755
Not at all. It was implied in the movie Wolverine : Origins
This was sweet.
The jumbled memories of Sabretooth and Wolverine are the writers throughout the years, changing their backstories. At least their not brothers like in the damn shit show film, X-Men origins: Wolverine.
Can you please do a part two of the amazing Spider-Man origin?
I don’t think the movies ever got sabertooth right I always wanted him to be the psycho unhinged killer that wolverine always had the battle. His backstory is completely tragic and it’s no wonder he has become vicious animalistic psychopath and I also want to see him in mystique get together in the movie sometime because they had a son that turned out to be, a mutating racist
Xmen origin wolverine came close
Xmen origin wolverine came close
The X-men origins Sabertooth was on point, we just needed more of him
@@johnlawful2272 close but yet no cigar
@@simonbellmont I disagree that movie was flawed with plot holes and mismanagement of characters. It should’ve been just wolverine and sabertooth with a few background sprinkled characters.
Yeah, that Lupine thing was , um. Well, yeah!
I’ll be honest, the best addition the movies ever made was making him Wolverines brother. It feels so much more personal in each fight, makes their rivalry like that of two animals fighting to be top dog, it also explains why they seem to be willing to work together after everything. Personally think next time around the ole reboot event they should go with it. Movie it came from was bad, but that was the diamond in all the rough.
He’s confirmed by Chris Claremont to be superior to Wolverine in every way
I’m gonna need a source for that one
I found in an interview that he said "Logan has never defeated Sabretooth in a knock-down, drag-out, kill-or-be-killed berserker fight."
@BradyBunch0525 Sincere thanks
Superior that explains why Wolverine when they both were banging mystique born the better son while Creed here came in second place but he's Superior please
@@ImnotMattMurdock cheers man. That’s the quote I was looking for
So, after doing a little research, it turns out that the Smilodon was first discovered in 1869.
People don't realize that when I was young Wolverine left the X-Men when he lost his adamantium. In his place Jean Grey then humbled Sabertooth.
The X-Men made the choice to attempt a rehabilitation. To help Sabertooth overcome his blood lust.
Wisely the X-Men decided to keep him the Mansions "danger basement". This brought Creed into conflict with Gambit who shared a shadowy past with the Savage Grayson Creed. He even acquired a friend in X-Forces Meltdown. Inevitably Creed came face to face with his arch nemesis Logan aka Wolverine. Sabertooth was lobotomized by The Mystery Mutant from Weapon X. This left Sabertooth in a simple child like state from his injury. Yet the X-Men s Psylock remained suspicious of the crafty Sabertooths true state of mind. Her fears proved fruitful as Sabertooth savagely attacked Psylock leaving her near death. These events led to Creeds escape from the Mansion and into an inevitable war with Xavier's elite team the First 5 ,X-Factor, on the very streets of Manhattan. As it unfolded Sabertooth was able to cripple the Avenging Arch Angel also known as Warren Worthington the third, the lover of Psylock. Eventually Sabertooth was recaptured. Only to be shipped off to join the latest incarnation of X-Factor. Which saw Creed working along side X Men legends like Mystique,Forge, WildChild and the valuptuous Polaris.
Cool,can u do Calisto?
Speaking of Wolverine, can you do a video on Cyber? He was supposed to be a classic Wolverine villain (Like Creed and Deathstrike.), but for some reason just didn’t quite hit it as big . Also , one on Donald Pierce ( Same .).
Can you do one on Baron Von Strucker? Sebastian Shaw is a good one, too.
Can you do history of the Elementals(Hellfire, Magnum, Hydron and Zephyr), Bastion, Master Mold, Nimrod, Inferno, Zora_Vukovic Victorious, Night Nurse, Lilandra, Death bird, Lady-Lotus, Sundragon and Phyla_Vell along with the Supreme Intelligence, Puppet_Master, Diablo, Mole_Man and Angel Salvador/Tempest along with Exodus and Ex-Nhilo?
So when are you going to do history of Zora_Vukovic Victorious since you did the history of Dr_Doom?
Are you going to do history of Ironheart, M'Baku, Namora, Attuma and Shuri as the Black Panther since they played a major role in the Black Panther Wakanda Forever movie?
Can you do history of Ironheart, Amatsu-Mikaboshi, Arno_Stark Iron Man, Squirrel_Girl, Constrictor, Deathlok, Amadeus_Cho, the Griever, Pepper Potts AKA Rescue and the Agents of Atlas along with Crescent, Morgan_Le_Fey, White Fox and Luna Snow?
Oh my God I can't believe he's covering the deadliest mutant sadist Victor Creed
Can you do history of the Living_Brain, the Elementals, Cyclone, Hydro Man, Molten Man, Puck, Ahab, Rom_the_Spaceknight, Stingray, Noh-Varr Marvel_Boy, Starbrand, Nightmask, Ava Ayala the White Tiger, Crossfire, Living Laser, Century, Lore and Technovore?
Victor Creed Sabretooth is a top 10 SuperVillain in the Marvel Universe
I would like to see more of these characters too in MCU.
Is the Sabretooth who appeared in the first live action X-Men movie the same one who appeared in the X-Men Origins Wolverine movie?
Different actors same character
Part 2 when?
Can you do history of S'ym, Shroud, Master Pandemonium, Sleepwalker, D'Spayre, Lilith, Chthon, Mephisto, Black heart, Dormammu, Doyle Dormammu, Clea, Nightmare and Pkzkrfmknna along with Crystal, Magma and Vance_Astrovik AKA Justice?
Yeah, this origin is all over the place. This is what happens when writers don't research what the ones before them had written.
It not contradicting too much. Just not consistent. It's like a lot of these writers thought they were the first person to give Creed a backstory.
Are you going to do history of lesser known characters like Rom_the_Spaceknight, Stingray, Ultimo, Inferno, Zora_Vukovic Victorious, Flerken, Blacklash, Deathlok, Elematrix, Vertigo, Ahab, Orb, Speed freak, Masked Raider, Red_Wolf, Tarantula, Forge, Bishop, Lilandra, Death bird, Titanium_Man, Crimson Dynamo, Dreadknight, Deathcry, Kobik AKA the Cosmic Cube, Blizzard, Avril Kincaid Quasar, Starbrand, Nightmask, Bastion, Master Mold, Nimrod, Starhawk, Fixer, Whirlwind, Chemistro, Whiplash, the Controller, Madam_Masque, Count_Nefaria, Ava Ayala the White Tiger, Crossfire, Living Laser, Century, Lore and Technovore?
If theirs one thing creed hates it’s his enemies birthdays
I always took Clairmont's comment to mean that due to Wolverine's healing factor, being constantly in use to surpess the Adamantium in his system from poisoning him made Logan weaker, that doesn't mean Sabertooth is the superior combatant, as many have said here Logan has beaten Creed many times.
Is there any one mystique hasn't had a kid with?
I’m sure you’d have a lot too if you could shapeshift into anyone
In all the years I've been reading Marvel Comics, I never knew the kind of genuine, pedigree, thoroughbred, Scum that Savertooth was !
Think if wolverine ever wants to look how bad his life could have been he can just look up at sabertooth’s life
Janice Hollenbeck....Hollow....Holly Bright.... interesting....
i love Sabretooth
What do you think is the best thing about Sabretooth in the comics? Which one of his power and abilities do you think is the best?
his savagery
Which movie or TV Show do you think did a great job in portraying Sabretooth? Do you think Sabretooth from X-Men origins Wolverine should come back in the Deadpool and Wolverine movie?
Hey heroes is crazy
Sabertooth vs Colossus= a defeated Sabertooth low difficulty.
What's up with so much changes in the origin of Sabretooth which sounds confusing? How many things are canon in the main continuity?
What would happen if Sabretooth became a Horsemen of Apocalypse?
The strange inconsistencies in these characters origins over time are what make modern day mainstream books so unappealing.
Retcon used to be a writing tool and now its a plot device.
What about tribunal sabertooth limited edition
Brah, I had to put the subtitles on just to make sure I wasn't tripping on what he said.. 🤣
Mr.Dillon🫡
What do you think Sabretooth would be like if he fought against cat like characters like Tigra and any other animal like characters?
How come the child Sabretooth had with Mystique didn't have the X-Gene but Raze who's the child of Wolverine and Mystique had powers?
"Your savagery is from the devil" "but also I'll encourage you needing to hunt to survive.
Victor is sadistic And Evil he needs to be locked up in The Raft
Then how did Wolverine get the the Admantiun Skeleton?
Wait wait wait wait wait... wait... how did his dad manage to chain him up?
I can see Vic's dad losing his mind over his animalistic tendencies. I can also see Vic losing his mind from the abuse. Either way, he is an animal and a monster.
i always thought graydon creed was a cousin of sabertooth
What's up with the endless hatred Sabretooth has for Wolverine? What would they be like if they were best friends?
Of all the muties i dont want to have an origin, Wolvie and Sabertooth are at the top but making one is ok i guess.
These origins are to convoluted
What do you think Sabretooth would be like if had an Adamantium in his body like Wolverine?
Great foe. Always thought it would be a great arc for him to discover empathy for all the pain he caused and to become more of an anti-hero. Also, his son has the same name as me. Graydon Creed sucks.
So his dad made him who he is , wow
"Murrvel"
If John Byrne had stayed on Uncanny, he said they would have revealed Sabretooth as Wolverine’s father and had him kill Mariko on Logan’s birthday.
Wow, really????
No. John Byrne didn't write the Uncanny X-Men. Chris Claremont could have done anything he chose w/ the character. Mariko also wasn't introduced into the series until years after Byrne had left. She first appeared in the Frank Miller / Chris Claremont Wolverine miniseries in 1984. Sabertooth, for that matter, didn't appear as a character in the X-Men series before 1986. Byrne's last issue of Uncanny X-Men was 143 & first published in 1982.
Byrne was co-plotter.Mariko first appeared in issue 118. Sabretooth first appeared in Iron Fist in the 70s., created by Claremont and Byrne.Get your facts straight
Ironfist#14
And he is correct about mariko.s first app in x men #118
Sabertooth has the worst history because everything just gets changed or erased when a writer doesn’t know how write the character without wolverine involved. Remember when sabertooth was inclonable Pepperidge farms remembers
A "Sabretooth" movie would be great!😁 They made "Venom"!🤔
Damn, Mystique sucks lmao, so she's Nightcrawler, Sen. Creed, and Rogue's (i think) mom so three kids three differant daddies and didnt raise any of them. Deadbeat mom😂😂😂😂
Lol knickerbocker knifer
Finaly🥲
16:40 The art is so bad. Yeesh.