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Aquaponic & aquaculture radial flow filter cleaning, just playing around..
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- Just a bit of a clip showing how I intend to clean the larger radial flow filter in the recirculating aquaculture system once it's up & running..Think this will be a much easier way to clean it than the present suck & siphon method :/
Will be making another for the aquaponics as well in the coming days.. Also hope to incorporate a mineralisation unit in there to further process the solids waste that collect in the filter but that will be a clip for a few months time ;)
Hope this helps a bit..
Am still a bit of a newbie at all this so any constructive input is most welcome..
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I've seen people hand form a conical bottom from cement with a 2-3 drain in the bottom just using a pipe and bulkhead fitting. Thanks for another useful video.
Have seen the a few good ones made like thatafrohman.. The urban Farming guys did a great job on their swirl filter using that method..Vortex Filter DIY - Organic Fertilizer on Demand
Cheers & have a great one :)
Rob.
Always like the KISS system, works every time, nice one Rob Bob
Am hoping that's the case here too George.. Still going to play around with a few other vacuum ideas too to see how they go..
Cheers mate & have a great one..
Rob.
Since the fish waste is going to start moving around when you put the wand in maybe a small funnel on the end of the hose would direct the solids better to the hose. Great idea Rob!
Thanks Mark.. Have had a few mention that on here & FB so will be adding one once the barrels all plumbed into the system..
Cheers Mate & have a great one,/
Rob..
That's ingenious! Very nicely done sir.
Looks like it's going to do the job we want :)
Cheers & all the best,
Rob..
Rob, your aquaponics systems are quite amazing. I know you are humble about it but you really need to take a bow there... your stuff just looks superb. I hope to see some more soon! I love your episodes, and not to mention whenever I watch your growing, it helps me cope with my spring fever haha. cheers buddy!
Just sharing what we've tried & how it goes in case it saves others some grief.. Loads of good info out there on aquaponics/culture on YT as well as forums..
Cheers Luke & have a good one..
Great work Rob.
Looks pretty good to me and the best part is, it's simple.
The less moving parts the more reliable it will be.
That's what I was aiming for Brett.. Still looking at making an airlift vacuum just to see how they go.. Will mean having an air line running to the system but that's no big deal..
Cheers mate & have a great week..
Rob,
Rob Bob Was thinking about this the other night, what if you fitted a 90mm piece of pipe to the middle of the bottom of the drum? Then add a tap to the bottom of that? I'm thinking like a solids trap.
Brett.
Brett Cooper Rob Bob Thinking some more, wouldn't need to be that big as the water flowing out the bottom would drag the solids in.
Better get back to work now, (squirrel!!)
Brett
I love your videos, too complex for me this style of gardening. Nevertheless I think you doing an outstanding job. I'm going to stick to my wood chips I've just discovered a new and improved way of feeding my plants to produce faster and better tasting food I am going to introduce it soon. I've also discovered a few techniques on keeping the cost down to almost 0 dollars that is my goal. And wood chips are simply one part of that.
Keep up the great work
Nice one :) Will be interesting to see what you come up with.. Have a whole half rotten mango tree I need to break up here to use as mulch.. That's going to be a fun job :/
Cheers mate & have a great one..
Love the syphon tool mate. Great little idea. I'm still to add a radial flow filter to my setup.
Hope it works as well once it's all set up Andy.. Hope to have it all sorted out by next weekend..
Cheers sir & all the best,
Rob.
This rad filter gonna work better than the old one
Should do the job nicely I think..
Cheers,
Rob..
Hey Rob. Just want to recommend using vacuum attachment brush. I don't really know if it would fit on a 1 inch diameter PVC, but if it doesn't, you can take the piece of PVC pipe or coupler and heat it up in an oven or use a heat gun. Start from low temperature then heat it up for about 3-5 minutes. Make sure you put a piece of foil on the bottom just in case the PVC melts completely. Once the PVC is soft, wear some mittens and force the vacuum attachment brush to it.
Morning & thanks for that...
Am looking at adding some sort of small brush to the "wand".. Was thinking of one of the wire style ones that I can fasten to the end with a zip tie.. Shall see how I go..
Cheers sir & have a great one.
Rob.
Rob Bob No problem. I have one that I don't really use. It came with the vacuum we already have. Looks like it would be very handy with this project.
Thanks for the videos by the way. I'm planning to be like a gardener like you later on. I learned a lot of useful things in your channel. Here in the states, food is expensive and probably sprayed by chemicals I don't want in my body. I really love your life style.
It looks like a good workable system Rob. I have used syphon vacuums in fish tanks for years and they work well.
I think it will be the easiest way to go John.. Have thought about using an airlift pump before as well so might build one of them just to play with to see how it goes..
Cheers & have a great week,
Rob.
Perfect timing it's just what I was working on Thank you very much!
Hope it works for you.. Might need a bit of tweaking like a small funnel on the end of the hose.. Will probably speed up the clean out a bit..
Cheers & enjoy the build..
Rob.
I would recommend giving the water a bit of a swirling action to make all the waste collect in the center. you do it with a during the collection phase using a small tube coming off the main inlet pipe or you could just do it when your collecting by swirling the water with your hand and then let it collect
Hi Corey.. I tried using my hand on one of the first clean outs in the aquaponic filter.. Noticed the solids broke up & spread through the water.. Think it has to do with the inlet pipe disturbing the vortex if that makes sense.. Didn't think of adding another pipe to help it along though.. Might be something to play around with..
Thanks for that mate..
Rob..
Thanks Rob...great idea! Definately think a small stiff brush or maybe even a plastic scraper would be a good idea to get the goo off the bottom. You already have a bio filter on that system if I recall correctly so the raft system should be a great producer for ya :)
Buffalo_Chips
Haven't used it much this time round but think I'll install one similar in the parents to make the job easier..
Cheers mate..
Wotcha fish breath :] Necessity is the mother of invention. A very elegant solution.
:D Just needed some chips & I would of been set :D
Cheers Michael..
Rob.
Have you ever thought of using a jiggler siphon on a stick. You can get them in a pretty big diameter and you wouldn't have to put a hole in the side of your drum.
Keep up the great videos I really enjoy them.
Hi there... Thought I replied the other day but it didn't stick sorry :/
Never heard of a jiggler siphon until you mentioned it to tell you the truth..
Bought a 1/2" head to see how it goes :) Hope it will save me some greif in the small filter & if it works well will get a 1/2" for the large filter..
Thanks for the heads up & have a great one..
Rob..
Ever think about making a cone, or funnel that sits in the bottom of the barrel? It could collect everything to a center point for easier clean out with the hose.... or you may be able to attach the hose to the underside of the cone even. Maybe just a slope to 1 side of the barrel could make a cleanout more efficient.
Thanks for the suggestions bigtitantrucker.. I have considered doing a cone but decided to have a crack at the easiest build possible.. A slope coming in off the side would help to collect the bulk of the solid to one spot but after a while I think there would be a build up of smaller solids behind the false wall that could cause other issues.. Someone mentioned having a go at including something like that on the FB page..
Thanks again & have a great one,
Rob..
Looks like a good migiver (sp?) set up ! The only time I shypen is when I am making wine. It's not bad near the end but right at the start it is terrible. I can imagine fish waste is no treat !
Siphon **
:D Think I could handle a mishap with the wine Stephen :D
Cheers sir & have a great week..
Rob..
:) you as well my friend !
That works great mate. And what Dale said lol. Dave;-)
:D Can always supplement with worm castings so all is good thanks Dave ;)
Cheers mate & take it easy,
Rob..
And a sprinkle of bio char.-)
Southpaw Davey
:D
If you attach a funnel on to the "sucking end" of the pipe it may help remove larger quantities in the same space of time. I have no idea as to weather or not that will work, but it is just an idea that comes to mind.
It'll be drawing from a larger area, but will reduce the force at which it sucks. So that's great for lighter debris over a larger area, but not so good if the target is heavy.
Joe Howe
Cheers for the post below Joe.. YT won't let me reply down there :/
Have seen the air lift vac clip before & am still going to build something like that just to see how good they are.. Might need tweaking to be able to handle the waste from 60+ fish though..
Like the stocking one as well, might make something like that for the small tank we in the house that has the refugees from the old garden pond in it..
Thanks again & have a great one..
Cheers..
Have had a few folks suggest that so might have a go & see what I come up with.. Think the top of a soda/soft drink bottle should do the trick as it's about the same diameter as the hose..
Cheers & have a great week,
Rob..
working fine to me, your helper read me mind :) thanks for sharing even if it was for a certain person great info sir :)
:D Not the best taste I can tell you :/
Think it will come in handy for a few so worth sharing.. Still think there could be an easier way but this will do until then :)
Have a great week,
Rob..
Great idea my friend!!!! I am going to try to melt/weld a cone bottom of a barrel - I will video it if it works or failure for some laughs....
Either way your bound to learn something from it Tracy :)
Have fun playing around with it & would like to see how it goes regardless of the result..
Cheers,
Rob..
Hey Rob great video as always.
I was thinking about your siphon vacum cleaner which you use to clean the button of the radial flow. If you used an airlift (look them up on youtube, loads of people build them. Actually look up aquarium air driven vacuum cleaner and just build a bigger one of those as that is actually what I am describing here) instead of your water syphon you'd get better results and it would be more diverse. With an air vac could actually clean out your Radial flow and bottom of the fish tank without the need to turn off your flow or drain out loads of water. As the water in an air driven vac flows via a sock to capture the muck straight back into the water supply you are cleaning out. If you want a plan and parts list you to put one together, let me know and I'll knock something up for you.
Take care
Dunc
Hi there Dunc..
Have seen a few good clips on the air lift pumps & want to have a crack at one in the future.. The collection of the solids in a canister is the one issue I want to sort out.. Need to visit the local aquarium stores to see what sort of filter material is available as I'm expecting a lot of solids once the fish put some size on.. This is the clip I was going to use as a guide, #123: DIY Airlift Aquarium Vac Wand Version 2 - DIY Wednesday What do you think of that one ?
Thanks for the offer mate, really appreciate it..
Cheers..
Rob. that video is great. The issue with his design though in your application is the volume of solids you'll be dealing with. You'll notice in that example the collection chamber was near the bottom of the tube and has filter floss in it to prevent the exhaust water dragging muck back into the tank. If you deployed that design you'll be for ever checking it to see how full the chamber was getting. I'd use his airlift idea but bring the collection up near your top hand out of the water. use your 45/45 into a T with one side of the T being the air exhaust and the other pointing downward into a sock (yes a Sock, paint filter or mums stocking) that way you get instant feedback on how much muck you have collected and can easily remove the sock for cleaning.
With regards to filter medium. don't buy from an Aqurium shop its too expensive. You can get the same filters in larger sizes from Pool stores. Just order it online its cheap (heavy, medium and Fine as the three layers work as a team for complete filtration of solids). Watch 'Pond Gru' he has a few great videos on filters and mediums.
Between your radial flow and Bio medium I'd add another barrel/bucket, and fill that with filter sponges. The reason for that is the K1 bio medium will be more affective if you can keep as much solids away from it as possible. it will also mean you open the container less. That helps keep the bacteria in the dark and also clean. You'd then just have to interact with the radial flow and filter buckets for your cleaning routine.
I hope that helps. as previously mentioned if you struggle with a design I draw something up for you, on the back of a fag packet :-)
EastLondonKiwi Cheers for all the pointers Dunc.. Shall look for pool pads this time ;)
CCBear is looking to add a filter box between his RFF & bio for the finer solids as he noticed a few getting through to his bio.. Think I might be looking into it but not 100% sure I will add one yet.. If we do it will be a small 15L bucket jobbie as we're a bit pushed for room..
Thanks Again Sir :)
No worries Rob. Here are a couple of ebay links to two of the items I was talking about. there UK listed items so ignore the suppliers and prices. You should be able to source (for the filter pads) from a local supplier, and the vacuum is just to illustrated my points, as this particular model is far to small for your application.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171033986851?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-PIECE-FISH-POND-FOAM-FILTER-MEDIA-SET-PROFILED-17-x-11-/261055504095?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item3cc81ededf
EastLondonKiwi Cheers.. I had looked at prices on some of the aquarium foam & nearly fell off my chair here :D
Cheers for a look at the vacuum too..
Cleaning the RFF ( Radial Flow Filter ) Aquaponics
Well, here's a random thought....
Get a hot-air gun and work on the base of the drum. Get it nice and soft - pliable. Then when you're happy with it, up-end it over a fencepost, to stretch a cone shape into it. The fence post will also give you a flat spot, where you can attach a drain valve.
Never done it, but I haven't eaten fish shit either (that I know of).
Thanks for that Dave :D Wish I could say the same :/
Think I will be staying with the flat bottom for now but that will probably change in the future.. Have spoken to a few that have tried to make the base of these drums conical & most have said it is a lot harder than it sounds.. It was suggested below to install the cone on the inside of the drum & plumb directly onto that so think I might give that a crack at that in the future..
Cheers Dave & have a great one,
Rob.
Hello Rob,
Really enjoying your aquaponics videos as I'm preparing for my own. Just curious but why not make an outlet to the sump at a point that leaves about 5 gallons in the barrel and use the current method of drain and flush with hose?
Thanks for that :) That would work well in the aquaponic system here as the sump is lower a fair bit lower than the filter.. The sump in the RAS is at the same height as the other filters so would be harder to do but shall keep it in mind though..
Cheers & have a great one..
Rob :)
If you have a bigger gauge tap but smaller hose and increase the flow rate, will that increase sucking power?
I think that would help a bit suction wise.. My concern would be solids clogging the smaller gauge pipe/nozzle.. The waste is very light & breaks apart easy so it might be ok.. I am thinking that a funnel connection on the end will help clean the base a lot faster so use less water during the process in the end.. Shall see how it goes with the real stuff soon I hope..
Cheers Paul & have a great one,
Rob..
What were those barrels originally for? we get 200L (55 Gallon) drums here but the tops are plastic wleded on, they don't have that nice pop off top. There's a few things I can think of that they would be very handy for :-)
These ones had food stuffs in them I think & smelt like vinegar a bit.. See them in a few places but they do cost a bit more than the sealed barrels.. Feed stores out of town lare the best places for them I've found..
Cheers & take it easy,
Rob..
Thanks for the mention :-)
No problem Anthony :)
i had a thought as i was watching; seems like cleaning the siphon filter is a bit more work than it should be. have you considered using a grow tower before? you could look up bright agrotech for ideas on how to make one, but it should make having to clean out your swirl filters much much easier if not eliminate it altogether. just my opinion. either way, your system is quite amazing! i really enjoy the system updates :)
Hi there.. This filter is to go into a straight aquaculture set up that will have no plants or grow beds attached.. Plan on also making up a mineralising tank to help process the solids to run through the aquaponics to boost its productivity but that job is a fair way down the list at the moment..
Cheers & have a great one,
Rob.
Rob Bob
good luck with the system updates! sounds like theres a few good videos ahead. :)
Thanks rob, great video! by installing a clean out valve through a bulkhead or uni-seal in the bottom of the barrel, would you be able to eliminate the need for the hose?
Hi there...
We have one in the other radial flow filter on the side of the drum.. We need to stir up the solids to get it to flow out which is a bit of a problem as it mixes through all the water & we end up having to dump the lot.. If it was in the centre of the base it might work a bit better I think.. Will be playing around with that idea but for now I think I will stick for the hose on the big system.. Would like to get a plastic welder & install a cone in a drum but that will be a ways down the track at this point..
Cheers,
Rob.
IF YOU HAVE THE TIME CHECK OUT THE URBAN FARMING GUYS FROM KANSAS CITY THEY HAVE A CONE SHAPE THAT THEY USE AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GET IN THE BARREL AT ALL. IT IS PRETTY COOL !
Hi James...
Their vortex filters were some of the first I saw & think they look great, thanks..
Trying to make this build as simple as possible so others can see how it goes once set up.. Someone posted a great idea below about adding in a cone that I might try if I think it needs it at a later date.. Will get a chance to learn how to plastic weld too :)
Thanks for the heads up mate & have a great one,
Rob.
Wouldn't something like a SLO inlet work to clean out the solids from the bottom of your radial flow filter? That hose looks nice, why not just leave it in? If the mayerial it is mafe from is a problem, there are other materials used to make hoses. I like how big that filter is.
Hey Ron. A SLO would only work if there was water dragging the solids out which would waste a fair bit. Future clips show the small drain attachments that were made up for this jobbie. Here you go mate
czcams.com/video/fQEh4FSNMrE/video.html
Cheers
buen bideo para hacer una buena aspiradora gracias .
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Gracias Alberto.
Todo lo mejor.
Rob
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Hi mate - long time fan - first time asking question
Is there an update to this video for your radial flow filter?
Sorry for missing this mate. I showed it in operation a few times in different updates but that's about it. Am looking at doing another clip on them in the near future.
Cheers.
Wish I could offer constructive ideas. This is the kind of thing I have to personally play with to get ideas.
I know what you mean Jay, I'm a hands on person as well.. Trying to work out what needs to be ordered for the aquaculture system over the past few days.. Had to build it using props so I could work out what was needed :/ ;)
Cheers sir & have a great one..
Rob..
The second one we made for our tanks with not much access room. Bit of pipe, air line & some stocking with elastic band. Sucks the waste up really well & don't have to remove water with it. Just pushes it all into the stocking: youtube,com/watch?v=Vnngv3mSP3w
You'll have to fix those links as YT won't let me post links.
Hey Rob,
Instead of using a siphon, we've started using an air powered vac on our aquariums.
Same sorta deal would be applicable to the RAS.
This first one I don't have the room to use, but think it'd suit getting to the bottom really well on the drums: youtube,com/watch?v=R5yYY3l-tzQ
A thought - make a plastic cone to place in bottom of tank. The large end of cone (top) should be snug against side of drum. Narrow end of cone (bottom) needs to fit inside a 2-inch 90-degree PVC elbow (or whatever size pipe you use). With cone removed, plumb valve through side of drum towards center then 90 degree elbow vertical. Slide cone down inside drum; narrow end of cone slides inside elbow at bottom. Solids settle into narrow end of cone. Open valve to flush.
Cone calculator:
craig-russell.co.uk/demos/cone_calculator/
Regards.
Cheers for that, that calculator will come in handy.. Think I will be sticking with the flat bottom drum for now just to see how it goes..
Really like your idea of putting the plumbing inside the drum under the cone.. If I went down this path I think I would want the cone welded into place & an access port to play with the plumbing.. Thanks for getting me thinking :)
Cheers & have a great week..
Rob.
Sir,
how remove mosquito from aquaponics
We don't see them in our system here as the varieties we get only breed in still water. Are you sure they're not midge flies?
www.vertexwaterfeatures.com/midge-fly-fact-sheet
I use quikrete concrete mix to make a cone in the bottom of filter.
Hi James.. Did you set the pipe work in place before the mix?
Cheers,
Rob.
Yes. I installed a bulkhead through the bottom and then placed mix. It's very easy to clean. I watched "TheUrbanFarmingGuys Vortex filter"
James Martinez
The units they made up would have to be some of the best I've seen.. Do you find all the solids settle to the base easy enough ?
I have a swirl filter. I think that the radial flow may be the better filter, but I would think that the cone bottom can be used in both swirl or radial.