I complete a starboard turn, port tie docking exercise using a "Docking Stick" and a Moitessier Stern Tie to hold the boat fast while I tie off the remaining dock lines.
A couple things to note: tide appears slack, no wind. Remove the knot in your line - it seems to get hung up on the cleat. You can achieve the same with a fixed loop and toss it over the cleat -- eliminating the need of the stick all together. Or at least use the stick to pass the line over the cleat and not have to waste time pulling it back to yourself. The motor appears to stay in fwd gear -- doesn't seem a reason for that given the calm conditions. Otherwise thanks for sharing -- respect!
Thanks for the note. Great suggestions. Thank you. You have a keen eye! It is a wooden cleat, and the line hung up on a small nail sticking out that I didn't see earlier (it's a new slip for me). I will try out your suggestions -- thank you! I left it in forward gear -- I was losing the bow, albeit very slowly in neutral -- I cut that out of the clip though! Viewers attention span is maybe 2 minutes on average!
You must not sail much or never leave the marina. Not all docks and wind conditions will be the same or perfect and neither will all approaches. The stick is a good idea.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP Gotta agree. Throwing a loop over the dock cleat is fine if you throw it perfectly AND there's not much consequence if you miss (like a long, empty side tie). Using a stick seems much more likely to work.
Nice video! I also dock like this but just use a bowline loop at the end of the rope. This way I can really make use off the winch and even use it as a brake when coming in too hard, letting the line slip a bit when coming under toad avoiding a dynamic pull on the line. You have to come closer to the dock though using a bowline. I should give your method a try!
In harsher conditions a bowline works better. Because you spend much less time manhandling the rope which is dangerous when docking in heavy weather. Just throw the loop over. Pull tight on your winch like you would pull the jib sheet (which you have removed of the winch of course).
Ah -- ok, do I understand correctly how you righ this: Have a bowline loop at the end of the rope (with you in the cockpit) Run it forward outslide the rail to the bow, then back to the cockpit winch? Loop it over a cleat once into the slip, and tighten it up? This sounds interesting -- I would love a bit more detail on your approach. Thank you.
@@respecttherisk2022 No it is virtually the same technique as you use but instead I just use a loop in the end of the rope (a knot called a bowline). This way the other end of the line is free and I can just put it around and pull tight on the winch the same way I would do with the jibsheet for example. It is just a single line with a loop in the end instead of "circling back" the line like you do. It is called a midship spring line. But because of the shape of the underwatership sailing vessels have, the line often is tied further aft instead of midships. I hope that helps!
@@respecttherisk2022 I have found a video that more or less shows what I mean. Instead he has the line more forward which isnt ideal. czcams.com/video/zDclP06Tsgk/video.html
Thanks. Definitely in that range of speed. I find I may need a bit more if I am battling current and/or wind to keep on track though it definitely a "feel" thing and see how the boat is doing. I find as slow as possible is best, while maintaining steerage.
Thanks mate. It did work out well. I had a mid-ship line ready in case I blew the entry -- to step off forward with the stern line and mid-ship line. That was a suggestion from a viewer. It's great when we call learn from each other. Especially as a singlehander, no one is there to coach me! lol.
I call it that as that is where I first read about it in one of Moitessier's books that he published in the 60's. In all my sailing courses, this was never taught. Some viewers have said that commercial boat captains have used it since the beginning of the last century. I still call it the "Moitessier Stern Tie." I think it got skipped over for recreational boaters -- just theory though!
I meant "new" as in I just moved into it from the berth at the other side of the finger. This is my second entry into it. It is my home berth so I installed the fenders. While this entry is much easier, I am still perfecting my craft. Love to hear if you have some suggestions :)
Thank you! I sail a Tartan 37 and this will be invaluable. Appreciate the lesson. Well done.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you!
A couple things to note: tide appears slack, no wind. Remove the knot in your line - it seems to get hung up on the cleat. You can achieve the same with a fixed loop and toss it over the cleat -- eliminating the need of the stick all together. Or at least use the stick to pass the line over the cleat and not have to waste time pulling it back to yourself. The motor appears to stay in fwd gear -- doesn't seem a reason for that given the calm conditions. Otherwise thanks for sharing -- respect!
Thanks for the note. Great suggestions. Thank you. You have a keen eye! It is a wooden cleat, and the line hung up on a small nail sticking out that I didn't see earlier (it's a new slip for me). I will try out your suggestions -- thank you! I left it in forward gear -- I was losing the bow, albeit very slowly in neutral -- I cut that out of the clip though! Viewers attention span is maybe 2 minutes on average!
You must not sail much or never leave the marina. Not all docks and wind conditions will be the same or perfect and neither will all approaches. The stick is a good idea.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP Gotta agree. Throwing a loop over the dock cleat is fine if you throw it perfectly AND there's not much consequence if you miss (like a long, empty side tie). Using a stick seems much more likely to work.
Nice video! I also dock like this but just use a bowline loop at the end of the rope. This way I can really make use off the winch and even use it as a brake when coming in too hard, letting the line slip a bit when coming under toad avoiding a dynamic pull on the line. You have to come closer to the dock though using a bowline. I should give your method a try!
In harsher conditions a bowline works better. Because you spend much less time manhandling the rope which is dangerous when docking in heavy weather. Just throw the loop over. Pull tight on your winch like you would pull the jib sheet (which you have removed of the winch of course).
Hey thanks for that tip. How do you rig that bow line? Is it from the bow then back to the winch?
Ah -- ok, do I understand correctly how you righ this: Have a bowline loop at the end of the rope (with you in the cockpit) Run it forward outslide the rail to the bow, then back to the cockpit winch? Loop it over a cleat once into the slip, and tighten it up? This sounds interesting -- I would love a bit more detail on your approach. Thank you.
@@respecttherisk2022 No it is virtually the same technique as you use but instead I just use a loop in the end of the rope (a knot called a bowline). This way the other end of the line is free and I can just put it around and pull tight on the winch the same way I would do with the jibsheet for example. It is just a single line with a loop in the end instead of "circling back" the line like you do. It is called a midship spring line. But because of the shape of the underwatership sailing vessels have, the line often is tied further aft instead of midships. I hope that helps!
@@respecttherisk2022 I have found a video that more or less shows what I mean. Instead he has the line more forward which isnt ideal. czcams.com/video/zDclP06Tsgk/video.html
Seems fine. I would have thought 0.7 knots was not enough way for steerage.
Fenders on the boat seem a more general solution.
Thanks. Definitely in that range of speed. I find I may need a bit more if I am battling current and/or wind to keep on track though it definitely a "feel" thing and see how the boat is doing. I find as slow as possible is best, while maintaining steerage.
I would have taken half a dozen takes to get it that good! Mind you, you did appear to have slack tide. That does take the pressure off!
Thanks mate. It did work out well. I had a mid-ship line ready in case I blew the entry -- to step off forward with the stern line and mid-ship line. That was a suggestion from a viewer. It's great when we call learn from each other. Especially as a singlehander, no one is there to coach me! lol.
Never knew it was called the Motesier stern tie.
I call it that as that is where I first read about it in one of Moitessier's books that he published in the 60's. In all my sailing courses, this was never taught. Some viewers have said that commercial boat captains have used it since the beginning of the last century. I still call it the "Moitessier Stern Tie." I think it got skipped over for recreational boaters -- just theory though!
How can it be a new location if you have fenders already on the dock, ?
I meant "new" as in I just moved into it from the berth at the other side of the finger. This is my second entry into it. It is my home berth so I installed the fenders. While this entry is much easier, I am still perfecting my craft. Love to hear if you have some suggestions :)
@@respecttherisk2022 so you know it , and had time to set fenders , Well done .