NAMM 2022 - The Big 3rd Wave Poly Synth Video
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- We made a b-line for the secret hotel suite with the Groove Synthesis 3rd Wave, the instrument inspired by the PPG Wave. In fact it actually contains the original Wavetables as well as plenty of high resolution tables, VA waves and a way to make your own.
With 24 voices and a Dave Rossum designed filter, plus an additional SEM filter. Theres a lot to like.
Price will be around $3795 and we should see it around August.
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I was smiling all through this video. So wonderful to see synth passion and engineering come together and become a musical instrument. 4 layers is deep as well as the synthesis and never ending thrill of user made waves.
Rock In Peace, Dave Smith. Lovely sounding machine.
20:45 is out of "Murder of love" by Propaganda, 23:23 "Love on a Real Train" by Tangerine Dream (Risky Business Soundtrack). Lovely and well done. This thing is amazing.
That wavetable making feature is killer 🙀🥲
1.the sound is WOW WOW WOW a true ppg on steroids, INSTANT BUY for me
2. the developer transmit true passion, knowledge and trustable
3. honest price
4. the most beautiful synth in the last 30 years
million thnx for ving brought the ppg back
"3. honest price"… Whatever do you mean? Genuine question.
But no buttons for changing patches? 😮 🥺 😦 😧 😱 😭
What a great synth! The sounds are fantastic, the utility is fantastic, and, it looks like the build is beautiful and robust. I did not know I needed this synth until they created it. Wow.
this is a masterpiece. a true advancement of synthesizer tech.
Well ...it's really good, not a masterpiece, sorry.
It's basically a 16 bit cpu capable of reproducing really good sound at 96kz.
I do like the design, and literal forest of knobs, but compared to these days ($4000), it's nothing more than a glorified Amiga from the 90's.
Mr Coover has an impressive pedigree, having done DSP work for Digidesign, Activision and Sequential for the past few decades. The ML-assisted waveform construction feature sounds very neat!
This! is a display! I like how big it is, easy to read
Man this guy has so much passion. I really felt it when he said he misses dave and he would get chocked up if he went there. Great video and nice insights of his work with Dave Smith / Sequentials DSP work including the great Prophet 12. One to watch for SURE!
Bob looks like an absolute legend - well done on this synth! I loved the sounds at 23:23 💙
Sounds very like Computer Incantations for World Peace by Jean-Luc Ponty 👍
This is what EXCEPTIONALISM looks and sounds like!
Cheers. Kudos. 10/10.
What a super nice gentleman. You can tell he just lives for this.
Unfortunately, I don't think I have anymore room to get any other instrument, neither physical or financial.
Bought too much stuff this year already.
It's a nice instrument, though
This synth seems incredibly flexible, having so many features, modulation, effects, and voices. It maybe wont cover a true analog sound but could probably do anything else your heart desires. Likewise, the user interface has nicely dedicated controls that arent skimping on size. Amazing!
Nice synth. Can't wait to hear more out of it. This one might end up in my studio.
I love this guy’s passion. When he says “Mr. …. “ he feels so authentic. ❤️
Thanks for this video ! It's great to see some passionate people. This synth is a beast, congratulations to all the designers !
What a gorgeous synth! Sounds fantastic
This really is pretty awesome if they manage to deliver it ultimately. 5 octave Fatar keybed, knobs that transmit midi, 24 voices with a SSM filter etc. Really great value for money. Would be nice to hear some more demos.
They Will Def Deliver It! I have one. Bob is no slouch, and he's worked on many other synths. Buy with Confidence. It's Fantastic.
Is this the best example of a true hybrid in synth history? Analog and wavetables giving a layered sound of warm analog and the presence of FM. Yet traditional subtractive architecture with massive modulation routing. Seems they also solved the harshness and aliasing in higher registers with digital oscillators.
This video has REALLY pissed me off.
A whole month. I've gone a whole month without wanting a new synth. A month ago I bought a MODEX and thought this is it. No more synths needed. I was happy and completely satisfied for that whole month.
Then I stumbled across this.
Now I want one of these.
wow :) thanks for the video :)
Got to play this at NAMM. It was the highlight of the show for me without question.
How'd it sound in person. Like the depth, complexity of the sound. Did it sound thin or lacking in the bass dept? You think you could make some gnarly sounding bass leads with this? And lastly what was the keybed like - semi-weighted or? Did it have any aftertouch functionality?
Thanks man. Bet NAMM was fun. What else there jumped out at you and made you check it out more?
@@patrickmichael2968 I bought one immediately. It is prophet VS level depth of sound. The most impressive sounding modern keyboard I've heard in years: I own a matrix 12, obxa, prophet vs, jupter6, mks80, voyetra 8, SX400, Alesis Andromeda, etc. Buy one.... Now
Keybed is fatar and definitely felt semi weighted. The built in keybed features channel aftertouch, but it supports poly AT via midi. Everything jumped out at me, foremost the SOUND. But it does so much more: 3 osc, 4 part multitimbral, add your own waves via analog input, 24 x SSI 2140 analog filters, wave surfer, masterpiece! Nothing else at the show compared.
Bob is such a nice and smart guy! In every video he is full of respect for Wolfgang Palm and Dave Smith, always has warm words for them! And he should be very proud on this 3rd Wave masterpiece they built. I‘m completely addicted. I have to buy this synth, even it‘s not really affordable to. Me, but I will find a way to buy it! Sry for ma crap english, I‘m a Kraut!
This is so cool. Really looking forward to it's release. Beautiful design and dreamy sounds
Bob is very impressive, from the way he explains information about this device to his career history. He's definitely had a very productive life so far.
The saw waves sound monstrous
I’ve been dreaming of these same features but in a rack/desktop module.
Awesome video from an inspiring creator -- just put in my pre-order. Very impressive instrument and really impressive price/performance ratio. Can't wait to get my hands on one!
20.51 when Murder of Love comes on by Propaganda, amazing!!!!
This synth is seriously exciting! I’ll be looking for one of these as soon as they’re available.
the ssl mixer alone tells me they aint foolin around
I just hope it's not also high priced product made in china
@@untml exactly
Knowing very little about wave table synthesis and only seeing Junky XL explanation of the PPG, I thought this was a beautiful demonstration. Nerdy, passionate, and humble….. just like i like it! Wonderful!
What a beautiful synth!
Nice to have the choice of keeping the aliasing or not. After all, aliasing can be a desirable part of a sound or instrument.
That Murder of Love arrangement was very cool!
It’s called Propaganda Split ;)
@@INHALTVIDEO Oh are sequences/songs stored with multi patches?
@@ArtFluids yep
I like how they moved away from the standard Prophet 5 black buttons w/ the red LED and all manufacturers should pay attention to that display you can actually read from a few feet away. Nice job
But no buttons for changing patches? 😮 🥺 😦 😧 😱 😭
Gorgeous design. I like that the presenter is left to talk without too many interruptions :)
Sounds amazing. I wonder if Michael Stein / Kyle Dixon have one of these. There are a few cues in the new season of Stranger Things that sound very PPG-esque.
They use a vintage PPG Wave. But I’m sure they’d be interested in this too.
Bloody Marvelous!!
Jeez, this thing is cool. Sounds amazing and the sequencer looks fun to use. Thanks for the vid.
Great stuff. After the other demos I'd heard, and especially J3POs, I'm pretty convinced I'm going to buy one of these as my flagship synth. Even more convinced now that I see this demo with the designer behind it. Actually, it's very on point using the modern computing know-how to make wavetable creation easy. It's really one thing that holds hardware wavetable synths back. Also, the specs I'd seen were so well thought out. And now I see somethings even better, looping envelopes, binaural splits. And that there can be four inputs into the synth engine, filters etc ... With this, a modular, and a sampler you could cover so much ground. I'm keen to hear how good the DSP effects area, especially the Hall Reverb. But, with outputs for each part, it wouldn't be a dealbreaker if they are more in the ballpark of DSIs effects, than Novation, Arturia, or Sinevibes say. But, I'm hoping they can compete with the latter three. Because, a PPG homage deserves a beautiful lush reverb. Another thing I'd like to see is super smoothly morphing wavetable scans and even clouds/swarms, like in Synthesis Technologies e352 cloud terrarium module.
👏👏👏 Amazing!! Looks like a true passion project. Wonderful to see
nice synth , nice name for it , sounds as it supposed to , people will buy it , looks quality build , good luck!!
Another classic poly synth clone, that Behringer couldn’t realize 🥳 and btw this „3. Wave“ sounds gorgeous 👏
That's just a silly comment. Like there's some finite time limit on these things. There isn't, nor have Behringer, to my knowledge, promised this particular clone by any date. Criticize them all you want but there's no need to make up random stuff up.
@@EnervatedSociety It's not made up. They didn't promise, but they definitely teased a 4 octave Wave clone, and they consulted with an expert, but I forget who it was. Supposedly it's in the pipeline, but the world situation has changed timelines and logistics, obviously. They never promised anything, or offered any timeline.
I was thinking something similar. This steals the delicate sound of thunder produced by Behringer’s clone tease and ups the PPG capabilities impressively. Still, Uli’s gizmo will fit more people’s budgets and be a happy addition for a lot of folks, eventually.
@@GizzyDillespee they never promise, because theses teases are just test balloons for them to see whether there is enough interest for a real product. They tease something and then monitor the forums and social media. If there is enough buzz, they continue the project. If not, it probably never sees the daylight….
@@GizzyDillespee "Another classic poly synth clone, that Behringer couldn’t realize" is the made up part I'm talking about. And the person you're referring to is likely Hermann Seib. I know that Behringer had a working prototype they shared pictures of back in 2020. In that same post they said they were nowhere near a product release.
What a great synth and presentation. Thank you!
Love it, I won't be able to afford one of those anytime soon but I can see that it's a very good synth made with passion.
something magical about the PPG.
Very impressive wavetable synth design!
The PPG was the bomb! I missed it and the company. Wow! This thing sounds awesome! Please come with a table top version! I love it!😌🎶❤️🎹👍🏾
12:54 If I have the money, I certainly gonna get one. Who doesn’t want to surf the waves? 😎
Very nice product!
Looks great. Sounds great. The one gentleman has an incredible mouth.
My jaw is massive
Modernized PPG synth ticks all the boxes for such a synth from my want-list. Definitely going high up on my shopping list, which was already getting long enough to give my missus a frowny emoji. What a time to be a keyboardist.
Edit: Bob Coover is very reminiscent of Amos Gaines from Moog when they rolled out the Sub 37. Get the guy who knows the tech guts to talk about it so you can better appreciate the sounds coming out of it later and what the gizmo is doing to make them.
A desktop version would be awesome!
Yes please
And next: A new 8bit sampler with analog filters. DejaVu. I guess we are caught in a Timeloop.
He had me at Spline Interpolated Analog.
Now this is impressive. I like the ability to load audio into it. Is there a way to see the waveforms morphing? I'm a big fan of that visual information.
Talk about hitting it out of the park. This is a hell of a synth.
Pretty much everything about it is awesome, but just one of the things that stands out is the filter section. Great choice in the state variable filter with the SEM-like functionality (continuously variable from LP--N--HP, or bandpass). This kind of functionality should be included more. So many times when someone even says their module/synth is/has a filter "based on the SEM," it doesn't have that functionality (I think the Division 6 Filtare SEIII seems awesome, for example - 4 pole filter with discrete design based on SSM 2040, but with those SEM-like features).
But are they analog? Or just the SSI LP filters? He mentioned 24 analog filters, but if both (per voice) are analog, that'd be 48, right?
And of course, having an OG Wave mode that keeps the aliasing and everything, and the new mode, plus the super easy custom wavetable creation that can even use audio going directly into the synth, and the great UI, and all the mod options - so good.
It's out of my price range, but that's to be expected; that kind of price just comes with the territory, and it seems like he's unsure if they'll even be able to keep it at that price, heh.
I will say, a "cut down" version in the future with maybe 6 voices and a smaller form factor and keyboard (or a desktop module, which I'd prefer - or both) would be pretty cool in the future.
Semi-long comment, but this is such a cool machine, it probably warrants it, heh. They did a great job, and I hope they sell tons of them (I'm sure they will)
If I understand correctly it’s 12 voice polyphony X 2 filters per voice (LPF + SVF) = 24 total analog filters.
@@scalebrain643 That was a good thought, but I checked the site, and it says 24 voices. Interestingly, it refers to the lowpass filters as analog multiple times, but not the state variable filters. So unfortunately, I think they may be digital (I'm not positive, though, of course). Still a cool synth if so, but yeah.
@@slipknotboy555 ah yeah after actually watching the video fully I believe you’re correct. The SVF are likely digital.
An amazing piece of kit.
awesome.......
Nailed it on every aspect.
Omg. We are in the greatest time in music ever. Evvvvvveeerrrrr
Fühlt sich ein bisschen an wie Weihnachten die Modelleisenbahn vor 30 Jahren... man überlegt zumindest was gehen könnte mit funkelnden Augen...
20:02 very classic, very modern . Perfect description of the sound of this synth.
THIS IS AMAZING. PLEASE BRING IT TO KNOBCON.
I think this is a good blueprint for re-issues: get as close as you can to the original and then built in controllable enhancement.
Amazing synth. It'll be a great success...
21:00 That sequence sounds like a nod to Propaganda, who I believe were PPG users.
Sounds excellent!
Very intrigued by this! I had the poor man’s wavetable with analog filters in the ESQ-1 and it could cover so much ground. If they load this up with great useable yet unique patches at launch - look out!
Not to be that guy, but the ESQ-1 wasn't really a wavetable synth. It used single cycle waveforms. I do have one, though, heh
@@slipknotboy555 Fair point - thank you. Even though often compared in the day that would be a distinction. Curious to see what this thing will do.
Amazing synth Bob! Truly a remarkable instrument.
Love the Tangerine Dream Risky Business patch.
only hudge drops this year.. this is crazy
Thats just "a thing of pure beauty".
I miss dave smith
Cold, Creamy and Lush!
I loved my PPG 2.2 but it became completely unreliable. This sounds dead on. I want one!
Want! Want! Want! Don't need.... WANT! 😁
Has same pitch and mod wheels as the new Prophet-5 and the Prophet-6.
Synth and sampler??I'm there to have a look. Sampling just opens up a synth to being almost limitless. Reminds me of my Polyend Tracker on steroids..
Just giving me GAS for the Behringer, which got the blessing from the original creator of the PPG
No, Wolfgang Palm is not involve in any way. If you talking about, Hermann Seib He was never involve with the original PPG, He built a software for it 20 years after the company closed and been hired by Berhinger.
First Berhinger publish he joined their development team, afterwords they publish he said "it sounds like a PPG"
like he is "non involved and objective". Pathetic.
@@untml ah, interesting! Thanks for clearing that up
This sounds glorious. Why not link up with Arturia and put this out as a vst? They are still missing a PPG model, so it would be the perfect step ahead addition.
Waldorf released PPG Wave 3.V
This is pretty sweet.
32:53 Price: 3795.- $ all included! shipment mid august 2022
Impressed!
20:45 - Wow. One of my favourite Propaganda track sequences, The Murder of Love from the album, Secret Wish - czcams.com/video/kzt2iSNyN8Q/video.html
The synth is almost as stunning as his hair
sweet
Awesome!
Well, I guess I'll need to check out the kidney resell market now.
Hopefully 1=$3795. This board is awesome. 😁🎶🎹🎶
the main question is: does it have multiple variable sample rate DACs like the original or is it DSP like all other modern wavetable synths?
Good question. I'm guessing the latter but imo that would still be quite a feat considering it's presumably got 24 of them!
Take my money!!!
I DONT NEED MORE SYNTHS!!! STOP MAKING COOL STUFF!!! Hard for me to justify needing this, but damn it seems so cool!!!
Wowwwwww!!! That sounds amazing!
DARKSONUS 4 LIFE
@@shane864 Hahahah! I'm still around.
Glad to hear! This is saw wave analog / reactor303… not sure which one I was using back then. Glad to see everyone is still in the synthgame 😂
@@shane864 I remember you as reactor303. I still talk to a number of people on FB that are still doing synth things. I just bought a Korg 700FS and Lexicon PCM 91, so my synth game remains strong! :)
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Wow, carrying around a PPG for demo purposes.
Cool! 😆❤️
Its beautiful but I'd never be able own one.....
I dig this…