Someone Had To Be Blamed
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- Star Trek The Next Generation s03e17 Sins of The Father
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I always love how K’mpec nods when Worf slaps Duras, he’s like “dude, you totally deserve that bro”
Also, Worf backhands him, which in Klingon culture is a challenge to a battle to the death.
He says so in DS9.
He was Like: "Hmmmmm...I approve of the bitchslap!"
I like how Duras lowers his head afterwards like he is admitting he is the son of a traitor.
Yeah i felt that slap from over here
He had the look of "Finally! Someone hit that entitled little shit. Must be a Klingon!"
Dax was right, an Empire so steeped in hypocrisy did not deserve to exist.
Exactly my thoughts.
"Worf, you are the most honorable man I know. If you accept to cover the misdeeds of the council, then what hope is there for the Empire?
Well that is ironically the story arc of the Empire. You'll have to wait for Martok for the reforms and return to meritocracy over corrupt aristocracy.
I'd like to think between Martok and the new Kahless (and Worf's influence as well) the Klingons would find their way again.
@@Darthvegeta8000 It kind of reminds me of the Kingdom of Korea during the late 1500's, which was suppose to be an enlightened meritocracy due to the Confucius ideals, but it was corrupt at the core.
Funny thing is, if we go by Star Trek Online's Pseudo-Canon (due to how Star Trek is, the online game technically has a sense of canon, filling in story and linking the series together one way or another while also picking up where they all left off) The Klingon Empire does eventually return to a similar state of mind where honor is above politics, especially when looking at individuals like Martok. During a point in game where time travel is involved to win a war, Martok (if I recall, might of been a different well known klingon) changes their plan due to the Iconians, the current enemy, being a peaceful group that acts much like Starfleet, not warlike in nature, their defenses are advanced but they seek peace rather than war while maintaining a form of prime directive. In the end instead of killing off the escaped Iconians he instead wishes to save them to attempt to prevent the war, and though ultimately it was in a way unsuccessful, it was a telltale sign of honor that even the TOS Klingons lacked, he did not want to fight a foe who was not outright looking for conflict.
“You are still fat, Kempec”. Love that
THAT was a clear example of Klingon Flirting!
One of my favorite exchanges from this episode.
@@sharkdentures3247 LOL nope. It's a clear example of good writing, where the character is summing up personally the contempt earned by K'mpec as a decadent and corrupt figure
@@Dorian-_-Gray agreed. "You're still fat" = back then you were fat. Now in our old age it's not even worth being polite to you.
She had bigger balls then most men....of any species to say that to the leader of most likely the second most powerful interplanetary nation in the Alpha/Beta Quadrants. Both the Klingons and Romulans are considered Alpha Quadrant powers but they also have considerable holdings in the Beta Quadrant too as well as their their homeworlds in the Beta Quadrant, Q'onos(Kronos) and Romulus respectively.
Worf has more honor than the entire Klingon Council.
That's usually how it works the guy on the lowest rung of the totem pole always has to hold shovel while the guys up-top they are the voice of reason and treason
Than the entire Klingon *empire* it seems.
@@Miss_Myth There are others who could match him, but they were sadly few and far between
Klingons like Worf are the only reason the empire works as it exists. The oppressed have to shine through the mud of the upper classes to bring glory to the whole race, and through the prowess of their species they succeed
Honestly, I attribute that to Worf not being as tested as the council. Day to day operations would likely require some flexibility.
This may be the moment Patrick Stewart goes full Shakespeare. Also, probably Michael Dorn's favorite episode because he gets to tell Stewart to shut up.
Worf now knows what Jean-luc feels when he tells Wesley to shut up.
Powerfull.
@@andrewwatts1997 We all feel for Picard's little brother Juan whose mother was the Picard's Spanish house maid. ;)
@@josephmassaro I;m a letter off, my bad ;)
@@andrewwatts1997 Don't apologize. Gave me a great opening.
@@josephmassaro I do have to admit, Juan might not know allot about spaceships and intergalactic interspecies negotiations. But he knows how to make tacos like no replicator could. I gotta give him respect for that.
"THE CHA'DICH WILL BE SILENT!!"
Back on the Enterprise: "Sorry sir..."
That’s OK, Worf. By the way, I need you to pick up my dry cleaning from now on.
@@BigNoseDog "I understand. Thank you, Sir."
"Dismissed, ensign."
This was Worf lashing back after years of put downs!
@@FEARSWTOR Not just ensign...but "acting ensign"...Wesley Crusher rank. LOL
Yep that’s Worf 😏
I love how Picard, despite being his commanding officer in the starfleet, is completely understanding of their customs, and knows he needs to stop talking in this situation when Warf yells at him.
He just displays this constant level head and cultural understanding, it's why he's my personal favorite captain.
Until KURTZMAN decided to destroy everything good abou him in that “show”. “Picard” season 1 and 2.
THIS is MY picard
@@emperorconstantine1.361 Picard isn't canon. They even changed the uniforms, Data's look and a bunch of other stuff because they don't hold the right to certain things and thus have to be sure things like costumes differ more than an established percentage to avoid potential legal issues.
That doesn't strike me as canon.
@@Shendue so it’s essentially big budget fanfiction from someone who I doubt is actually a fan?
@@Shendue Fairly sure that's not the case any longer.
"What does this say of an EMPIRE, who holds honor so dear?!"
yep. Very very Shakespearean.
*deAH
That the empires words of honor are just empty words. Not really a surprise
The chadeesh will be silent!
cf. Harakiri (1962)
I just wanted to see Picard go, "Oh, my communicator badge was going the entire time you've been plotting, and our Chief Engineer has broadcast it to the whole of the planet/Empire. If truth can kill a thing, then it deserves to die."
Truth would have killed several million innocent Klingons, as well as many, many people of surrounding worlds. I'd argue they wouldn't deserve to die.
@@nickmalachai2227 He presumes all of the other Klingons lack the honor he lacks. He presumes it would all fall apart. That the 'important family' wouldn't do the right thing when faced with the weight of truth behind it. It would only come to millions dying if they all clung to the lie. Which is not honorable, and therefore, not Klingon.
@@herbertadams8433 have powerful families embedded in corrupt systems ever acted in any way beyond self-preservation? Ideals are irrelevant to the workings of the highest levels of government. There, only the shape of the government and the ruthlessness of the leadership exist as factors that can change.
@@nickmalachai2227 Except that the obviously corrupt family started a civil war anyway by being obviously corrupt. This is a highly predictable outcome for corrupt leadership. Starting it here probably would have reduced the bloodshed.
@@nickmalachai2227 reminds me a lot of US politics these days....
The Duras family are powerful, and finding them guilty of this would tear the Empire apart. None of us are going to mention, or point out, the worrying fact that this 'powerful family' may be in the pocket of the Romulans though.
and that was the OTHER problem .... although we don't know if Duras himself would have allied with the Romulans, like his sisters did after Worf ended him.
It started a civil war over the matter
@@dhinton1 the bomb he uses to try to kill Gowron was a Romulan device. Watch the scene where Worf drops that nugget. Gowron wants to kill Duras right there. His glare is like so harsh it takes Duras to shudder. 'you're in bed with the Romulans?!'
@@davidlewis5312 Considering it's Duras, the thought was probably "you're inbred with the Romulans?!"
if they are curupt than the empire needs to be rebuilt. it is the same today with are buracrates republican and democrat's that are curupt our system of goverment needs to be rebuilt in the united states particularly republicans.
That approving nod after Worf slaps him. That was perfect.
My favorite part.
If you look at Duras, it kind of looks like he was expecting it like that's just how you politely end conversations with people you dislike in the Empire.
"Yep, here it comes." *SMACK*
@@Raguleader lol as much as I like that read, a backhand from a Klingon is a challenge for an honorable duel to the death, and if you don’t answer that, you are considered bottom Bitch for life.
The Fact he had to suffer this kinda humiliation in front of the supreme commander, who then NODDED approvingly at it, just makes the scene all the more delicious.
@@stingerjohnny9951 He wouldn't have the right to challenge a man about to die for the kingdom to cover his dishonor. He was that low in his honor that he deserved far, far worse than that. So challenging him as if they were equals would have gotten him beamed into space lol.
Quite hypnoddic.
there is only one slap stronger than that of worfs.. and that is the pimp hand of the sisco
Ever watched Guy Ritchie's movies?
Sisko's pimp hand is way strong. just ask anyone destroyed by the Defiant. lol
If Sisco used his Pimp hand Slap and Worf used his slap at the same time both hitting each other a new worm whole would open that lead to the other to two Star Trek universes.
HAHAHAHAHA THANKS
barrel.
Ironic that Duras' family started a civil war anyway. And turned to their old allies, the Romulans, for support.
Well Worf finally got to slay that petaQ Duras in the end. The slap was merely a precursor.
The sisters of Duras did that .......... We won't know if Duras HIMSELF would have done such a thing.
That is not what irony means. This is just a piece of shit family always acting like a piece of shit family. It would be irony if, after all of this and the subsequent Klingon civil war to preserve a secret, Worf's father actually was the traitor.
@@ered203 The KHC sought to avoid civil war by protecting Duras. His family later proceeded to start a civil war anyway. I call that Ironic. But that's just the opinion of some random Canadian on the internet.
@@imofage3947 That isn't irony. That is a failure of an intended purpose. Irony is when a result is deliberately and completely contrary to what is expected to happen. The civil war wasn't stopped, just postponed. Nobody expected the Duras family to stop trying to be power hungry assholes, suddenly develop a sense of real duty and honor, and become good leaders.That would have been irony. It would have been ironic had Duras really been a great and honest leader of the Empire despite the expectations of others.
Trying to seize power through violence AGAIN isn't ironic, nor is a weak council allowing such a thing to happen.
It's like Napoleon. It wasn't ironic that he raised another army after being exiled instead of executed or imprisoned. It was just stupid to have thought he WOULDN'T do such a thing.
"Your heart is Klingon." Well, that's one out of three.
Snap!
I was thinking that too.
More like two out of four.
@@tek512 Indeed, two honourable warriors, standing against two feckless cowards.
Worf's backhand is pretty Klingon too.
K'mpec is honestly one of my favorite characters even though he was only in two episodes. Charles Cooper played him masterfully.
Yeah, I felt he was really the only wise klingon
@@michaelscott5653Wise and world weary. Through his portrayal you could feel this wasn't the first such sacrifice of a good warrior he had made for the sake of the empire. The way he lights up when discommendation is mentioned was brilliant.
Still boils my blood to watch that happen to Worf. Every time I watch it I can't help feel so offended at the lies perpetuated in real governments and real powerful families to keep some larger lie intact.
"-and would you like to upgrade that to a large or medium sir?"
I watched this episode during its original airing - yes, I'm old - and my mother quite literally shouted, "This is wrong!"
Now imagine if you had that same anger in real life as our nation's "leaders' do the same and worse every single day.
Yea but as the video mentioned, he accepted it. In fact, openly embraced it really, all for the empire. Dax later poured cold water on his face at how Worf was really no better than the corrupt empire itself by supporting such actions.
Sad to say, similar is happening here in The 🇺🇸 as we speak. Trump, MAGA, ✝️ Nationalism, Far Right to name a few.
Through slow it seems to happen, the likes of Duras DO reap what they sow.
It IS Inevitable 👿😡.
"I speak now as the captain of the USS Enterprise and Worf's commanding officer! You will not execute a member of my crew!"
Such a bad ass scene. Stewart is fantastic and the look on Worf's face when he says it, "now y'all fucked up."
You just have to love this scene.
The truth revealed, the political treachery, and then, Picard going from cha'DIch to full blown Captain of the Enterprise once he realizes that the Council would not follow its own set of rules, Worf showing how much honor he has despite it all...
I have to say, this is amazing Trek.
I love the aspect when Picard decides to use his power as a Federation officer and ally to the Klingon Empire to say he won't turn over a fellow citizen over a fake accusation. He's throwing the gauntlet and is willing to go to great lengths for his friend and what he believes. Who could say anything against it ? He went by their rules, their system and they cheated, so he then uses his leverage. Great leadership !
From that throwing of the Gauntlet, Picard Proved that he and Worf were more Klingon than anyone else in that room.
@@stingerjohnny9951 use whatever weapons/means necessary to achieve victory .
Some points here: Worf learns that the Klingon ideal is just that, an ideal the council is corrupt and honorless.
Duras is protected to stop a civil war, but a few years later civil war erupts anyway.
might be important to mention that duras is also responsible for the civil war that erupts a few years later. Duras has brought nothing but shame to himself, to his allies, to the klingon race.
_Do not throw good honor after bad._
Well, that's mainly because Duras had killed K'heylar and didn't realize that she'd had a child fathered by Worf and Worf had Avenged her death by killing Duras
And a few years after this, the Federation and the Klingons go to war over something else. One suspects the alliance wasn't as strong during the TNG era as we liked to think.
@@Raguleader True, we can blame changelings but they merely nudged a few things
I'm sure the reason K'mpec later chose Picard as Arbitrator of Succession was in some way based on how Picard spoke to him here considering how he looks him straight in the eyes and unleashes his anger in full Shakespearean glory, not to mention how he stood by Worf as his protector and instantly went back to that role when Worf told him to be silent.
I LOVE K’mpec’s nod at 4:54. My man is all “you deserve that shit” after Worf slapped Duras.
And the fact that Duras took it and didn't immediately demand satisfaction proves how weak he is.
@@timmorris2048 I think was more that he didnt want Worf to change his mind.
@@timmorris2048 Duras knew he'd won, and that this slight to his honor would never be spoken of or even acknowledged. He was willing to accept the strike to achieve his goal, and possibly on some level knew he deserved it. Taking the hit without complaint was probably the single most honorable thing Duras ever did.
@@timmorris2048weakness runs in his family. That’s why his scummy dad was so easily tempted by the Romulans to betray his own people for personal gain.
@@timmorris2048Duras did the exact same thing to Worf in open council. Worf just returned the favor line for line and slap for slap.
Loved K'mpec's little nod there, like "Yeah, that's how I would have slapped Duras too."
K'mpec hated Duras and wanted to kill him or at least slap him but he wasn't allowed to do so as it would trigger a civil war so he liked seeing Worf slap Duras in the face hard.
The fact that Duras resorted to slowly poisoning K'mpec to death instead of challenging him head on shows how cowardly Duras was and how afraid he was of K'mpec.
That subtle change in Worf's stance and expression when Picard says he now speaks as the Captain. Basically says "aw shit, here we go."
"The alliance of the Federation is not based on lies" - how did the Klingons not learn this after nearly 200 years of contact and conflict with Starfleet?
Because they are so corrupt, and expect others to be the same
Ask a communist about the "crippling" US sanctions that destroyed the worker's paradise in Cuba. In actuality Cuba did 1.8 billion Euros of trade with the EU, 1 billion US dollars of trade with Canada, and 400 million US dollars with China in 2020. The US boycott is a minor nuisance to Cuba, not an existential threat. But people always interpret events according to their prejudices.
@@cygil1 umm... Okay? Did you respond to the wrong comment?
@@bobojo37 some people have weird obsessions... imo it's best just to remember their names so you know whose comments to ignore on these sorts of videos...
@@bobojo37 No, he has a point. Leaders in most societies must find a scapegoat to distract from their own corruption, lies, and failures. It may be another country, an ethnic group or ideology within their own country, or even a single individual.
Even in our society, Jeffrey Epstein "commits suicide" and all the inconvenient details of the rich and powerful people who visited pedo island with him are forgotten.
To think that our base nature would change just because we had spaceships is naive.
Dat pimp slap at the end. One of Worf's greatest moments.
K'mpec's little nod of approval is the icing on the cake.
And we find out later, in DS9, that a backhand slap in Klingon culture is a challenge for a fight to the death. But Duras just takes it like a punk.
Nah, his execution of Duras in 'Reunion' is right up there. Along with his fight against Gowron.
This is definitely top 5 ......
I'd also place him ending of Duras (TNG) ..... him ending Gowron (DS9) ..... and him mourning the deaths of K'Ehlyr (TNG) and Jadzia (DS9) in his top 5.
@@jhenes82 As well he should. He gets his down the road.
A shame we had to wait until Martok for the Empire to have good leadership 😟
Kenpek was in a bad spot though. It was that or civil war. By the time Martok came around the underlying issues that made that a problem had been taken care of, or at least lessoned to the point the Empire wouldn't fracture. And it wasn't even civil war that was the issue, but the possibility of a Klingon who would ally with the likes of the Romulans and use their techniques coming into power that was the problem. That would have destroyed the very heart of what the Klingons believed. So it was the best choice from a list of nothing but bad options.
I still think old crazy eyes, Gowron, was a good Klingon. The problem started to occur when they wrote his character to be more concerned over politics then the state of the Empire. That was poor writing, in my opinion. It could have been a golden age, with Gowron as the leader, and Martok as the General. Both had their roles, and Martok's was in battle and leading forces. Gowron was perfect as the politician who made the decisions overall, but Martok led the troops.
@@heartattackjack9349 DS9 did a lot of things right and really well, but they really did Gowron a huge disservice by turning him into what they did. I was very disappointed.
@@heartattackjack9349 the thing was Gowron was always a political animal governed by self interest. He tried bribing K'helar with a seat on the council even before he was selected to be the next chancellor so she would advise picard to rule in his favor. He recognized the truth of worf's family being innocent of treason, yet decided not to clear mogh's name until worf helped him. He also oversaw a massive rewriting of klingon history. Disregarding the risk his allies assumed for his sake because it was politically inconvenient for him. Granted DS9 amplified the worst of those traits, but in a lot of ways he wasn't much better than Duras or K'mpec.
Martok was the Chancellor that lauded in a renaissance of the Empire.
But Kem'pec or however it was spelled again was a brilliant statesman/politician. Keeping the corrupt upper stratus of the Empire together.
I really like him. A character with diplomatic / political talents that at least for a bit put Picard checkmate. And he's the Federation Captain that really maxed out his diplomatic/char skill ;)
worf pulled a "shut up, picard"
Seriously subtle writing in TNG... 'Fat' is associated with corruption, Those who eat but dont work to burn it off kind of thing! the reason the woman keeps calling him fat, is shes calling him corrupt... She is loyal to the house of Moag, and she is a perfect example of an Honourable Non-Warrior Klingon!
Even more brutal for he is also literally fat among his peers,
------- so not only is he corrupt but he also looks the part.
“You admit the truth but expect him to accept punishment!? What does this say of an Empire, that holds honor do dear!?”
Best line for the whole NG universe. I never understood why the Klingon High Counsel would cover for a clan/family’s disgrace. They knew it would only delay the inevitable civil war that was coming. The counsel just wanted someone else to deal with it; covering it up only disgraced themselves. Picard’s quote should have been a stab through both hearts of any Klingon who heard it.
The Klingons had gotten to a point where family name and power and influence had gotten all mixed up with honour. They were all on the inside and accepted it as reality. Worf, as an outsider, saw how bullshit that was.
"The Empire will not be destroyed for one family's honor."
If the Empire had honor, then upholding one family's legitimate honor would not destroy it. An Empire without justice is no Empire worth preserving.
Empires aren't just logos and councils. They are the elders and children and livelihoods that are held and protected by these things. This council is filthy, but Worf absolutely made the right choice in this moment.
@@keithklassen5320 No one is protected by a governing body that denies justice. Such a body is the source of danger.
@@keithklassen5320 I would actually agree with you. Despite everything, at this point, Worf doesn't know that Duras is an honorless cur who will 1) Poison k'mpec, 2) murder his mate, 3) attempt to sell out the alliance with the federation to the Romulans, 4) his survivors will start a civil war to install an unblooded child of questionable origin to the high council. As for questions of justice, based on what is known right now, killing Duras for the actions of his father could not be called justice by us or Picard either. While a Klingon might hold differently (and do) the term Justice here is definitely interesting. Worf made the most just decision. He saved his brother, he saved the empire, he saved himself, he made it where the Enterprise had a stake in this deal, and he let Duras save face. In that moment, it was the best deal. Not later, not by a long shot
The empire may have ice, but if it is not just, the empire will melt.
I love how Worf doesn't even dignify Duras with a decent punch--just a slap. And even that cows the traitor because he knows the only reason he's walking out of there is because of politics, not power.
Plus the fact that Worf would hand him his ass in a bucket.....
I’d be willing to bet that Worf back handing him like that felt better than 1000 glorious battles
Back handed that biiitch
To a Klingon, I doubt theres anything more insulting than something like that. Kind of an "you're not even worth the thrill of battle" kind of thing
@@roboninja565 Agreed since he knows he can't retaliate so its a double sting. Its like getting slapped in public by a woman you just insulted but only you and she heard. You can't do anything because you know you were out of line plus it wouldn't look good if you did.
It's at this moment that K'mpec realised that Picard might be useful if Duras got out of control.
What is so great about the Duras slap is that Duras has to take it. He cannot return the blow. So secretly he has to live his life knowing that he was disrespected by a man who is shunned by society and cannot do a think about it.
Worf was the one of the few Klingons who deserved to be called one.
Martok was another.
@@Whoami691 As is Worf's brother Kurn.
Also, if we count STO... K'valk.
Guy flew a shuttle into a Doomsday Machine singing the Song of Kahless because he wouldn't stand for what his warmongering nutcase of a Commanding officer wanted to do and assisted the Federation in destroying it.
Worf: "THE CHA'DICH WILL BE SILENT!!"
Picard: "I beg your pardon?"
Worf: "I said the Cha'dich will be silent, as in close your mouth and stop talking."
Mouths shut ears open
2:45 there's a great movement here, as soon as Picard says he speaks as Word's commanding officer, his entire stance changes, he steps back, less agressive, standing to attention. God damn Dorn is a great actor even just by moving
Director's call, although I've always been impressed by Dorn's acting.....
“The cha’Dlch will be silent!”
Literally the most powerful words Worf ever spoke. Mainly because Picard respected and accepted them.
I have a brother and would do the same for him.
Damn I forgot how badass Worf really is, this episode sure as hell reminded me. He has some of the most quotable moments in TNG too. I still say "a Warrior's drink" all the time.
That backhand was felt all the way on earth.
A subtle, nearly audible tone, rang through the ether. Almost like an old Earth SONAR ping. Nearly imperceptible, but something you still couldn't ignore. A sound telling you that something important had occurred, and changes were coming.
I like rewatching this knowing what happens near the end of the Dominion War. Worf becomes Chancellor for the briefest moment before giving the cloak over to Martok.
Son of Mogh played his cards right the whole time.
Picard's most Janeway moment. Risking all out conflict just to save 1 man, a Klingon.
Worf:The Cha'lich will be silent.
Word's thoughts:I get to deny Captain Picard for once. That felt good.
In TNG the sons of traitors tended to be without honor themselves. It would have been interesting to write a story where the son of a traitor was actually honorable, thereby exposing the problem with the Klingons' honor system. We have our own honor systems on earth that are just as problematic. No one should feel shame for someone else's actions, regardless of bloodlines. We should only feel pride or shame for our own actions and decisions.
And only accept responsibility for our own actions.
tell that to the Marxists in BLM
They already showed that, as while Worf was branded a traitor, he still showed more honor than those of the Empire
@@MisterW0lfe cry some more, Trumpist.
@@OptimusWombat awww, did I step on your precious, snowflake toes? Keep supporting Marxists, racists and people who hate America for no reason than they want to Identify as "victims" even as their leaders live in multi-million dollar homes, HOMES... PLURAL.
The truth doesn't care about your feelings, judge a person by their actions, not their family's past or the color of their skin. BLM is just replacing the Klan as the Left's racist org of the moment.
That backhand pimp slap, I just want to see Worf walking away breaking out a pair of shades and lighting a cigar with a torch LoL 😂
Duras is a byoch.
“This is the USS Backhand. Prepare to beam up.”
*smack!*
“Welcome aboard.”
Worf's growth arc throughout the show is so damn good. He molded the values of both the klingon and the federation into his own. By DS9 he's one of the wisest characters in the show from a hot headed buffoon in TNG season 1.
This episode begins the tradition of Worf and his family getting shafted "for the good of the Empire".
Probably one of the greatest moments in TNG in my opinion. Worf effectively gets to stand for what honor really means.
Worf: backhands Duras.
Kimpec: looks on approvingly.
Everything within that dialog was perfect.
Shame this quality stuff doesn't get made anymore
Every generation cries “they don’t make them like they used to”.
@@MichaelApproved Since comments are getting deleted again, i'll ask you again.
Can you name something of the current generation that is as/more pure in dialog and human insight that is here being portrait as different galactic races, each with their own philosophy, with humanity at the center to combine them?
A road we all strife for in our own lives.
@@jebclang9403 don’t you think the scene you’re asking me to find is a bit specific? You want great writing since TNG? The Wire, Breaking Bad, and whatever the kids are watching today. There are plenty of smart shows out there but they won’t feel the same as TNG because they don’t hit the same nostalgic buttons for you. Nostalgia is what makes people say “they don’t make ‘em like they used to”.
@@MichaelApproved Didn't ask for a scene 😄
@@jebclang9403 you got me there. I concede 😏
When I first watched Generations, I didn't know about this whole Duras arc. Man, watching Duras die in Reunion, the sisters defeated in Redemption, and that Bird of Prey exploding in Generations, and then Word killing Gowron on DS9 makes watching this so much more satisfying. Haters gonna hate, but give it time and you'll get to put them in their place
One thing I just noticed - in DS9, when Worf is trying to teach them how to behave like Klingons for the mission to find the Changeling on the High Council, he says something about striking someone with the back of your hand. Worf challenged Duras to a battle to the death then. I don't remember if that comes up later, but I just remembered it.
Yes worf did challenge him... when duras dropped his head and looked at the ground he backed down from the challenge. Which has me thinking maybe that's why kimpek nodded like he did. A battle to the death between the two could have solved everything.
@@TRGFBC Duras is a different animal altogether from Worf and K'mpec. He has little or no sense of honor, but he also knows that once's they've all agreed to it, he's already won. The only ones that know what happened are there in the room and they're all sworn to secrecy. He sees no reason to fight back and risk death to save face to people more honorable than him that won't talk about it anyway.
I just love how Picard is making the argument and he's finally had enough of K'mpec. "I SPEAK NOW AS THE CAPTAIN OF THE USS ENTERPRISE AND LIEUTENANT WORF'S COMMANDING OFFICER." He just exudes command presence and honor. This scene is probably why K'mpec later tricks Picard into being the Arbiter of Succession. He has trust in Picard that Picard is an honorable man and will work to find who killed K'mpec and will help the Klingon Empire get a new leader.
The Klingon are shown frequently to respect Picard even if they don’t like him.
"I have no reluctance to kill you human."
"No ability either."
Worf’s act here saved the empire a for a few more years. He was truly the best thing that happened to the Klingon empire.
I dunno, that gave the Duras family time to scheme and likely made the impending civil war even worse. Corrupt leadership starts wars of convenience, the truth should have come to light immediately, lives would have been saved and the Klingon empire could have had a headstart at cleaning itself up.
Tell the truth, then assume whatever happens was the best thing that could have happened given the situation.
@@Teth47 they did but Worf was instrumental in pushing back impending Civil War, even later getting rid of a bad Emperor for a better on to take his place. The empire didn’t deserve the loyalty he gave them.
@@NPCSingularity I'm saying that pushing it back was a mistake. Duras started the civil war with their betrayal at Khitomer, that just hadn't become apparent yet to anyone but them, so they had the element of surprise, and more time to plan before the first shot rang out.
@@Teth47 very true and great assessment.
@@Teth47 If the truth burns you, then you are bad for everyone. any government that must lie and coverup their failings needs to be stripped of their power without concession.
“THE CHADDICH WILL BE SILENT!” Is probably my favorite line in the entire series.
When you realize that corruption in politics is universal.
Its the very nature of it..
More, the corruption of concentrated power. Politics is in anything we do in a large interconnected society but only some wield political power. I dont have a solid ideology but I do find it best that the decentralization of power through the expansion of human rights and political agency to as many as possible is desirable. Also that there is no way to seperate politics from economics, they are bound together.
Borg don't have politics or corruption, the perfect system.
@@davidlewis5312 Nor free will, creativity or porn! There are trade offs!
Not not all-encompassing.
But whenever the word "empire" is involved, things unsurprisingly go unharmonious.
I'd like this kind of Star Trek to make a return at some point, but hope continues to wane with every passing year.
Aww c'mon. You know you love the lens flares and gender fluid characters
You're going to need several things to coincide at once...
... and you'll have to suffer through two seasons of shit, some of it worse than the alcohol you used to dim the memories.
Picard: goes in for the kill with his words before drawing a line in the sand neither side wants to test.
Archer: starts some boring and confusing story to distract everyone from Reed sneaking up behind to capture them both.
Janeway: makes a brief speech before beaming her and Worf away and running like hell, phasers blasting.
Kirk: same as Archer, only Spock is doing the talking and Kirk is the one sneaking up behind to capture the chancellor/Kurn
Sisko: staring at Kim'pec "So you have chosen... death..."
Sisko would
- take out the recorder from his pockets
- mention the dead man's switch mechanism that would broadcast everything said there across Qonos
- demand Worf's honor to be restored
- NOT ENOUGH
- a seat on the council for Kurn
- STILL NOT ENOUGH
- Duras' head on a plate
- Now we are starting to understand each other
Great character descriptions, I agree with most.. except with Janeway, she might give an impressoin of running away, but always has a backup plan to come back with some power play or forcing a stalemate situation.
One of my favorite episodes as it explores klingon politics. And Worf shows why he is the most honorable there is
He is the truest of Klingons. No wonder Martok and the clone of Kahless himself liked him so much. Picard must have been dying inside to see Worf willingly throw himself on the chopping block.
You could tell k'mpec loved it when worf slapped duras
When I first saw this episode broadcast in it's original airing, they had neglected to add the "slap" sound effect, so when Worf hit Duras it was silent. Very weird...
I love the way Picard pronounced "Kem-puck" when he got upset!!!!
This Klingon Empire is not worth even a hill of beans.
if I was Picard, my communicator is recording the entire conversation and video so if the council ever reneges on the treaty, the entire empire is destroyed without firing one phaser
Yeah let me stop you right there for a minute. As your admiral of the federation you will not be recording it or making that public no matter what. We just came back from the war with the cards and we're dealing with the Borg. You will let the Klingons fight their own battles because we're not going to interfere because this is a clear violation of the Prime directives
@@attiepollard7847 OP mentioned "in case the council reneged on the treaty", so they probably mean the treaty of peace between the Federation and the Klingon empire. Prime directive would have nothing to do in that situation since it would be a war between two warp-capable species.
@@abletodoit3051 did you not see an episodes of when it came to the Klingon civil war and also the episode on DS9 when admiral jakote told sisko that he cannot interfere in the affairs of bajor because they had a civil conflict. The prime directive does cover civil matters in a culture that the federation cannot interfere in.
@@attiepollard7847 With fresh eyes, I can totally see your point on how this is actually a civil matter. My bad, ahahaha
Won't ever be spoken of again, funny how that works when Worf tells Gowron lol.
Duras was already dead, so the dishonor would be known to the victor and new leader of the Empire.
@@Zoras88 not so, Gowron refused to change Worf's status, telling him he had already accepted discommendation. When Worf told him that it was Duras family that was the traitor, Gowron had no idea and was surprised the Klingon High Council was part of the cover up.
@@jeffburnham6611 That's because Duras's family still had it's roots int eh empire even after his death. What I meant was that Worf told Gowron because the only two people who were there to hear it were already dead so he told the new head of the Empire of why to try to alleviate the burden of the sentence.
He didn't tell Gowron he didn't have the right to know.
@@davidlewis5312 What are you talking about? Of course Worf told Gowron. It was right after he got vengeance on Duras for killing his mate. Gowron was going to be beamed back to his ship when he told the big-eyed warrior the truth about the Kitomer attack.
It would have been hilarious if they had recorded that conversation and played it for the world to hear.
I think any other captain but Picard would have at least threatened it. Definitely Janeway and Sisko. Kirk might have gone straight from threat to play.
@@davidlewis5312 Kirk would've probably asked to let himself and Durass fight for Worf's honor!
@@LSOK38 And we all know who would lose.
@@RuralTowner It would depend on how strong Kirk's plot armor was!🤔🤔🤔‼️‼️
@@LSOK38 He'd be fighting Duras. No plot armor needed.
The acting in this scene is so good. Especially K’mpec. What a character
"Now I am ready", words to live by.
Out of all Star Trek characters, Worf had the most flushed out story and arch. And I thnk it really started here, and opened the door for so many stories involving the Klingon Empire.
This is one of the best 5 Minute sequences in TNG! Just brilliant!
It’s moments like this that make it soooooo hard to say whether Star Wars or Star Trek is more favored in my heart. The amount of love and passion put in these two series in so many different ways by the writers, actors, and fans is so gratifying and life changing in so many ways for so many people.
You must have a big heart if you can fit so many Stars within ;)
Worf was a TRUE man of HONOR!!!
The legendary birth of Worf as a Kingmaker. His actions would preserve K’Mpec’s government, destroy the most powerful Klingon house, seat two Chancellors of the High Council, and an Emperor… and save the Klingon Empire on numerous occasions. The son of Mogh and adopted son of Helena and Sergey Rozhenko was THE most powerful Klingon of the era.
Worf: "I may not live amongst Klingon society, but I know the importance of honor!"
K’mpec: "Worf, the whole 'honor' thing is just the PR mission statement. The reality is just backstabbing politics! Even living amongst humans should have taught you *that* much!"
Worf didn't half get dealt a crap tonne of bad hands in both shows.
First the loss of Tasha.
K'ehlar refuses his hand in marriage then hid a son from him. Then left Worf too look after him alone when she very selfishly got herself murdered.
Accepts Disscommendation for another Klingons crime, falsely admitting to the worst possible thing for a true Klingon, Dishonor.
Gets the chance to restore his honor when Gowron comes to power and has to fight a civil war (The same war Worfs discommendation was supposed to prevent).
Quickly loses all said honor, power and lands after siding with the Federation when The Klingons invade Cardassia based on little evidence.
Has a romance with Deanna teased in Season 7 of TNG only for it to be abandoned in the movies.
Learns his father may still be alive, only for that to be wrong.
Dax's Death.
Seeing a grown up Alexander after so many years who seemingly hated him.
Kurn had his memory erased after trying to kill himself.
Fortunately things improve for him once he meets General Martok. But it has been a long road, getting from there to here.
Duras: “But we’re cool now, right? After that slap we're even?”
Worf: “Nah, I think we’ll pick this up again some other time.”
I just realized that Worf kit Duras with the back of his hand. This is actually a challenge to fight to the death. It shows how low Duras has sunk in the Klingon code of honor for Worf to able to do that to him and then just grin in his face.
Worf: *makes with the pimp hand of honor on Duras's face*
Worf: Now, I am ready.
Absolutely hilarious yet bad ass moment. Worf realized he may not get another chance and made sure his disrespect was shown.
Kimpec was like "I like this guy"
An episode so rich in shakespearian intrigue! This is Star Trek at its best.
Love that nod of approval at 4:52
Yes! That face is perfect :)
@@tjwparso It's like he's saying "Yessss, excellent technique!"
@@tjwparso Quite hypnoddic.
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"Now, I am ready."
"Wait, no I'm not. One more slap for good measure." (WHACK)
"On further reflection perhaps a third slap." (WHACK)
"Oh, hey. Is there something on your face?" (WHACK)
Pay close attention to Worf's slap. He uses the back of his hand. Later, in DS9 "Apocalypse Rising," he explains to Sisko that this gesture invokes a challenge to the death in Klingon culture. He basically told Duras in this moment "one day, I *will* kill you." And that then comes to pass in "Reunion."
Worf gets his ass kicked more than any other TNG character but that slap is the most badass of them all.
Later in DS9 we learn that the back handed strike used by Worf in this scene is actually a challenge to a fight to the death, it was a bold move when he'd just made himself more valuable alive than dead.
Worf also personally beats up and kills more people than any other ST character, outside of the Original Series.
@@victorpradha9946 Yes he does. One time later in the series when an alien telepath who mind raped Troi was attacking her and he tried to flee, Worf took him out with a single strike and you could tell that Worf was angry and wanted to kill the offender for his crimes.
Picard may be my favorite captain, but I’m wondering how Sisko would have handled this.
With phasers probably. Not that I disapprove
At least some blackmail, worked on the Trill
You mean like the time he made the Cardassian court back down real fast without saying a word?
@@kereminde yep, worked there too. I think O'Brian had the first not guilty verdict on Cardassia in centuries
I think he would have done it a little differently, but would have impressed K'Mpec as much as Picard did.
As always, Worf behaving like a damn BOSS!
Excellent form on that backhand Mr Worf
One of my favorite scenes in all of Trek.
yep. one of mine too.
1:29 - 1:39 I love how Kempec spoke about how the High Council was more concerned with civil war than upholding honor. Personally, I think that the civil war should have started here instead of when Gowron was to be installed as the new chancellor. True Klingons that hold honor above all should have never tolerated the cancer that was the family of Duras to flourish. I understand Worf's desire to preserve the Empire but I don't agree with him accepting discommendation because it allowed Duras to continue his plans to maneuver himself to become Kempec's successor. Duras probably would have succeeded if he hadn't been stupid enough to kill Kaylar.
Exactly. If the majority of Klingon's value honour above anything - they should all have been chomping to rip the Duras family apart for their treachery. Just because the family is powerful, who would side with them or serve under them when you know their power is in part based on the hidden hand of support that reaches out from the Romulan Empire?
If their family grabs the Chancellorship then surely they are just puppet rulers, who would more often than not do the bidding of their Romulan supporters - no rational honour bound Klingon would ever accept that!!
Charles Cooper (K'Mpec) was 62 when he played this part and is the father of well known actor Chris Cooper. He had played in many westerns on TV during their heyday in the 1950's. He was not in good health when they brought him back a few years later to play K'Mpec again in Reunion. Reports were that he was very sick when he last played K'Mpec but didn't want to miss the role. That is why his eyes look so wet and teary in Reunion. He passed away 6 years later. As I always say, good actors can act even with facial appliances on. His reaction to being told he was still fat was clear to anyone watching the scene. This little sub-plot in an intense scene is a good dramatic writing insert.
he looked weakand in Reunion. I can actualy see him breathing taking a nap while his final death ceremony :)
He passed away in 2013, 10 years ago.
My other favorite scene was when Picard told Duras you may test that assumption at your own convenience
Seeing this Clip, I wonder how much info was leaked to the Empire once Worf returned as an Ambassador. Martok could use this, Worf's time as a POW, and the fight with Gowron to make Worf a national hero
Not sure, the most powerful houses that have a seat on the council would likely still have been there and would not be thrilled to see their name have dirt thrown on it if they were part of the conspiracy. Would open up old wounds and reduce the effect they were trying to see.
One question about the discommodation: Do the Klingons board the Enterprise and remove the commode from Worf's quarters themselves or do they trust Picard to have it done?
The Enterprise D doesn't have toilets. You never see one.
@@unclenurgle8281 They use the transporter to beam poop out of people's bowels and into a septic tank. Much better than our primitive "toilets" and "plumbing".
@@tbotalpha8133 Plus it eliminates the need to "wipe". What a glorious age they must live in.
@@unclenurgle8281 Actually there is a toilet or should I say "Head." on the Bridge, you can see it in the technical drawings.
@@DarkLordDiablos nerd
That backhand hit so hard that every ancestor of Duras felt it. Worf's hand hit Warp 10 for a second there.
Picard uses diplomacy until diplomacy is done, then he picks up a sword.
0:34 - *"You are still Fat K'mpec."* - DAYUM! Grandma Klingon does NOT hold back. No mercy. I feel sorry for K'mpec. He is STILL getting rejected by her 25 years later. She must have be smokin' hot back in her prime. The most powerful Klingon in the entire Klingon Empire hits on her, and she still rejects him. Women are all the same!
She cared about honour and strength, and she knew in his heart he truly held neither. Just because he was not evil to the core like Duras and his father, doesn't mean he was worthy of his position and power. She could never stand next to such a weakling. K'mpec died a pathetic fool who could not stop what he saw coming - he worked so hard to protect Duras only to be slayed by him, with poison no less - the weapon of cowards, and the peaceful unity he so coveted was shattered anyways. In the end, Worf had to stand up and fix all the problems of the Empire, one after another. Out of the three Klingons in that room, he was the only one deserving of the title Leader of the Empire.
To me, he might well be the true second coming of Kahless.
I love that Worf hit him, with the left hand. In biblical times a left handed slap was worse than a punch. This is partly due to there being no toilet paper and you used the left hand, to clean yourself. Hence why the dominant hand throughout the world is right handed, the left hand is often called the "dirty hand", "unclean hand" or "devils hand". Nobody wanted to be slapped with the dirty hand, this is actually where "Turn the other cheek" actually comes from. You turn to face your accuser, so they can properly slap or punch you with a right or clean hand. I like to think the Klingons had a similar way, though i might be overthinking it
"Turn the other cheek" meant buttcheek and is actually pr0n.
Actually it does come up a bit in a DS9 episode where Worf is training the crew to pretend to be Klingons. A punch is just the start of a friendly brawl. A backhand is a challenge to a fight to the death.
You know, that idea is still prevalent in Arab and Middle Eastern culture today, even with the advent of antibacterial soap. Never shake with the left hand!
4:52
K'mpec's like; "Yeah...yeah I like that shit...now do it again."
LOL
"THE CHADICH WILL BE SILENT" is a funny thing to yell at a sibling