RIP the Supertuck | Volta a Catalunya Stage 5 2021
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- A messy breakaway day once again for INEOS at Volta a Catalunya Stage 5, with a split causing a 40+ man group to go up the road without any INEOS riders in it. There were supertucks galore on the long highway descents as well as a fan favourite breakaway winner.
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I bought my ticket to the Lennard hype train last year - 10 outta 10 would recommend!
I've been on the hype train since TdF 2019
Supertuck can never die
spicy
Yes Decent Disciples forever
Gonna need a Mohoric close up shot on April 1st, full supertuck descent, mouthing "Pray for Speed" to the camera.
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For those who are about to tuck, I salute you. This is Safa!
100k congrats man. Fully deserved the grind has been unreal!
The thing that will be most painful is listening to Carlton Kirby try and describe why it's been banned.
I love his enthusiasm but I have to say he's starting to really grate on me. I can't imagine how Sean Kelly/Brian Smith feel
@@whatwelearned I'm sure he is top notch bloke and would be great to have a pint with. But 8 or 9 years of his same torturous metaphors and off colour remarks really grate. Rob Hatch and Blythe were great on E3, a little history, knowledge of the climbs and Adams pin sharp calling of the race is a treat.
@@abedfo88 Agree Blythe was great yesterday, speechless sometimes with the audacious attacks the riders were making all through the day, Quinn going up the Kwaermount with reverse lights on was a highlight.
Have to say I love Charlton Kirby, on a long day in the saddle with nothing much going on he always has something to say, a little anecdote or something to tickle your ribs.
There's space for lots of commentators. One of my personal favourites is Maggie Backstadt who is forming a good partnership with Jos Been.
@@abedfo88 Agree entirely. I think Hatch and Blythe or Lloyd is my favourite pairing right now.
@@abedfo88 adam ‘thats bike racing’ blythe
"we don't know if it's an April Fools joke" XD
It's so bad of a joke, that it even came too early.
The lone rider in a super tuck is one of the most exciting things you can watch in a race. The danger lies elsewhere.
yeah, the danger is the lone amateur cyclist who tries out the technique on a public road and falls off a cliff or is hit by a car....
the UCI can't prevent people from making those decisions, but they can dissuade them.
Also crashes are a lot more frequent with absurd illogical route selection towards the finish on sprint stages! Like 90deg turns!
Not really. 90 degree turns slow down and line out the bunch opposed to straight run in where speeds are over 60kmh and riders are taking the full width of road so there's no space left.
Road furniture too. The organisers just drag the finish into the centre of whatever town just for the money rather than the riders safety.
As we're now getting a direct back-to-back comparison, I can categorically say that LR's highlights are so much better than Eurosport's!
On the subject of the supertuck (!), I don't think the ban is related to danger within pro cyclng but rather to stop amateur wannabes from copying it on public roads and hurting themselves (and maybe others in the process).
Ban all racing altogether then. Not just bike racing. Any racing in public places is potentially dangerous. How dumb that would be. 🤦♂️
Yes. Surprised LR didn't mention this.
I agree about amateurs - however, personally I don’t drive my car like an F1 driver just because I enjoy the racing. I know the difference between safe and not safe - just like I know what roads around me a I can super tuck without causing myself danger.
Oh well!! I’m not a pro so I can super tucking still ;)
@@joebearman620 indeed you can, although unfortunately it seems not everyone has the requisite skill level to pull it off, judging by the 'fails' you can see on yt
@@JDPhader true although I would say that doing the supertuck is actually trickier than some people realise and when it goes wrong, it can go wrong very spectacularly
Need another Kemna interview ASAP
tickles me pink to see that old fossil Valverde in 4th. Here's hoping one of the ineos guys has a mechanical and he can podium, that would rock!
Alaphilipe should wait until he is across the finish line to raise his hands in the air. If i understood that right your hands have to be on the handlebars. Once across the line the race has finished.
lol, will never get old
Doing the supertuck while pedaling is tricky but just resting on the tube is very stable in my opinion. Just be smart about it and use it on a straight line.
Congrats on 100k subs!
Kamna and Chaves, best part of the race
New rule: Puffy jackets & chain mail to prevent injury during bunch sprints.
Exactly right concerning the supertuck. Every time someone does it the commentators always warn that casual riders not attempt it as it’s too dangerous. However, I haven’t seen nor heard of any crashes specifically caused by that position. Most crashes are clearly during the sprints, with road furniture coming in second. Heck, the most dangerous stuff has been the obstacles that race organizers themselves provide. Barriers and those overhead things that they construct at sprint points and last kilometer have caused plenty of crashes.
I personally think the super tuck and forearm bans are both ways for the UCI to punish cyclist for complaining about race safety last year. What the UCI claims is that the bans are because they're listening to the complaints of the riders. To me that seems a bit ridiculous because I don't really remember either of these things cause crashes or anyone complaining about them. What the riders where complaining about was dangerous routes that cause crashes every year and barrier type, these are things that would cost the UCI and race organizers money and admitting to these problems might leave them vulnerable to lawsuits. The super tuck and aerobar forearm position are both ways cyclist can go faster while conserving energy. So both these bans take away tools cyclist use to win races, punishing them for speaking out and laying the blame on the riders for doing something "dangerous"
I agree, feels like victim blaming to me
Much appreciate your work and videos
100K! Congratulations, on and upwards. ↗️
Congrats on 100k mate!
Congarats on 100k 🥳
Congrats on 100K LR 🔥
Sprinting in a group is many times more dangerous. I think it's about time Caleb returns to climbing and flat stages are removed completely.
I hope this is sarcasm
@@Robmex10 That's the beauty of UCI regulations. You can't tell what's real and what is a joke.
yeah, except this isn't about the pros. it's about dissuading amateurs. they don't normally have a leadout train, and even if they do, they're probably not able to hit 80km/h on the flat, and even if they do, they're almost definitely not doing this in a bunch sprint, are they? and you'd never be able to set up a bunch sprint like that on public roads anyways.
but one person sitting on the top tube going down a hill at 80km/h? hell yes that's doable for an amateur. and let's not forget, *they're doing that on public roads, which is not something the pros have to deal with.* the pros also have a doctor following in a car, multiple video cameras that can see them fall and radio for help, and sometimes even a helicopter on standby ready to take them to hospital if it's really serious. amateurs don't have that, do they?
if you want to go sit on the top tube at 90km/h, there's no one stopping you. but banning it makes more people think twice before trying. and that will save lives.
Congrats on 100K
The supertuck ban is just idiotic. I use the supertuck since 20 years. It existet far longer than the time Froome used ist. And i will use it in the future. Just because i want to be fast. The ban will change nothing out in the roads
Totaly agree...if UCI intention was to demotivate amateur riders for not using the supertuck, they failed big time...otherwise, Matej Mohorič was the first rider who used it in peloton...Froomy was just a non aesthetic copy of him 😁
@@alesipavec6587 it doesn't really matter but Robbie McEwen used it way before Matej, you can find a 2007 photo of Robbie in "supertuck" on his Ridley bike and I don't think 13-years-old Matej knew it at the time.
Congratulations Mr Rouge 100k
Love all the content, great video. Where did all the old race analysis videos go?
Super tuck ban is another inexplicable move by the UCI. We can be certain any future penalties imposed for riding in the position will be inconsistent and inexplicable.
It isn't inexpicable. They did it because pro riders are role models for recreational riders, who are copying the supertuck on roads open for normal traffic. Also, we are observing a UCI TRYING to be more consistent regarding the penalties, just look at the relegations of overaggressive sprinters last season.
The whole “role model” explanation is absurd. The UCI also rules over downhill MTB racing as well as BMX and freestyle. So, in order to prevent young amateurs from emulating their pro heroes, let’s ban drops, jumps, tabletops, backflips, 720’s, and everything else that could be considered “dangerous”.
By the same token, let’s make F1 racers drive at the speed limit. We wouldn’t want any 16 y/o that just got a driver’s license emulating Lewis Hamilton....
The UCI should be more concerned about making sure barriers are safer, finishes are done on secured a safe stretches of roads, controlling spectators and motorbikes. You know, things that actually cause crashes.
@@bensepulveda71 You can race a road bike without using supertuck and "puppy paws", but you cannot perform downhill MTBing without endangering yourself (same with BMX and freestyle). So you can't implement strict safety rules without killing the sport. I hope you can see the difference. Also, road cycling is performed on open roads and road cyclists are role models for people who aren't even riding a roadbike. Look at the effect the mandatory use of helmets in the pro peleton had. I don't use a helmet, when I was a kid, the roadies weren't wearing them... Btw. I also like the socks length rule. Cyclists shouldn't look like footballers/soccer players. I will miss watching the pros supertucking, but I support the UCI's decision.
The F1 "comparison" is ludicrous, because a) same reason as for downhill MTB
b) racing cars/extreme speeding on public roads is criminal behaviour anyway, no need to ban something on private ground that is a crime anywhere else already.
I remember when downhill races were much more “safe” than today. There were no huge jumps, no 20 foot drops, etc. I was also racing bikes at the time when the pros where not forced to use helmets, but I always did. Why? Because I knew that riding with a helmet was safer. Point is, people should know better. I don’t get paid to ride a bike anymore, but pros do. Every sport, from cycling to surfing to skydiving to Motocross, etc., will present some level of danger. But the UCI is ruling on something that isn’t really an issue, which in turn affects the riders in the peloton. What’s next? Limiting the speed at which the peloton travels?
@@chrisko6439 Then maybe ban supertuck on open roads? Banning it in races really won't affect road safety very much since not many people do it anyway.
Yeah! Ban the Sprints! 😅😉
In the saddle sprints FTW. Track guys win every time!
Drafting behind team cars is banned too.. so is getting pushed or pulled by the team car and yet the sticky bottle still exists. So I think you probably nailed it with riders hovering above the top tube when they are tucked
I noticed the other day this is really easy so I'm sure we will see it soon:)
Great! Thanks again!
Congrats LR, great content, immensely addictive. What's Ineos's plan for Adam Yates this year then? Is he more able than Porte/Thomas with his climbing accelerations to fight Pogacar and Roglic in the Tour, with the aforementioned teammates as super-doms to help him survive the three weeks without cracking?
Your lawyer's mind is valuable to us. Sprinting out of the saddle, and the supertuck possibly not touching the top tube. Ah, that would be excellent in court. I am so glad that a lawyer moved to cycling commentary. You will be valued for decades.
what was happening at @1:25 ? BTW, big congratulations on reaching 100k subscribers 😃
Why the outro music has disappeared? It was quite climatic tbh. Congrats on 100k subs!
Well said! Please bring back the epic outro music 🎶!!
Supertuck ban is just ridiculous
I'm really happy to see that you've reached 100k subscribers, but I'm even happier that we continue to receive this fantastic race analysis from you, so thank you Lanterne Rouge, and congratulations!
Regarding the new supertuck rules, I can't help but think that the UCI has gone a little overboard on the 'virtue signalling' front. I've watched and followed a lot of bicycle racing over the years, and I've seem little if any evidence of riders crashing while using the supertuck position, but the UCI doesn't seem to be basing their decision on that anyhow. They seem to be basing it on the fact that casual or recreational cyclists 'might' try to emulate their cycling heroes and the UCI doesn't want to set a bad example, which is completely ridiculous, just as the recent ban on post race hugging is. I still see a lot of hugging going on in football, basketball, and hockey, which are invariably much higher profile sports, and those leagues aren't banning players from hugging each other. Like you say, mass bunch sprints are FAR more dangerous and more likely to cause serious accidents or injuries, yet we still see riders participate in them, with some of them taking place on extremely sketchy or inappropriate roadways. Most of the time the UCI gets things right, but sometimes they get things completely wrong.
You're an Aussie? Good job and thanks from Qld
Some people just don't get tbe new trends.
TikTok, CZcams shorts, ...
But ...
it's an improvement over the 50 + minutes videos.
100k, let's go!!!
Kämna was amazing again
“What did I do to deserve the last two days’ LOL
Where is Hirshi tho?
Karma
LRCP interviewee Kamna clearly got paid in watts. Supernice guy. 🎊🎉🎊🎉 Youve got to love it when yesterdays unlucky loser goes again and wins today.
Yup Yup, Keep it up!
In all the bicycle racing I’ve watched over the last 20 years, I cannot remember a single incident of a rider crashing because they were in the “super tuck” position. As you said, definitely more crashes from bunch sprints and traffic furniture.
I've been doing the "aero tuck" since 1984 and yes you have to know what you're doing but these pro's are much more talented than I am so banning the "super tuck" is purely political control by the UCI....what a waste.
100k Special with Lenny!! 😍
As a native of Catalunya, I'm amazed at your good pronunciation of these towns 👍 Good point on being out of the saddle. The UCI is being overzealous; banning the supertuck is just smoke and mirrors to cover their inefficiency when it comes to ensuring riders safety. What's next: the distance between cyclists?
Thanks Josep much appreciated. I’m moving to Andorra soon so I have had to start learning Catalan!
Thanks for your commentary on supertuck. The Lance bandwagon about supertuck safety seems to have ignored the lack of data to support its banning.
Elsewhere there has been an argument about preventing non-pros from emulating pros, so that your mate Dave doesn't try a supertuck on a public road with cars, other cyclists etc around. I agree with that point albeit but then also agree with the counterpoint being why should something be removed from the pro ranks just cos some of us will be idiots.
At 4:19 is that a Yamaha Niken Moto in the background? I’ve seen them in recent videos and assume that they are well suited for that kind of work.
100k let's go 💪
So according to the new UCI rules which come into play April 1....technically speaking: all sprint finishes will now be done in the seated position only (yes that means you Caleb Ewan), climbing up hills must be done in the seated position only, the Sagan bike throw is banned along with the super tuck. Yes cycling will now be much safer (boring) now. Thank you UCI.
Lennard the legend 💪🔥
Luke Rowe looking somewhere between Frozone and Robcop with those sunnies 🥸 @ 1:47
I think one of the problems of the supertuck is that the top tube isn't designed to support so much weight in that direction: basically the carbon could be damaged. Rumor goes that some riders had to change bikes because they damaged the previous one doing that position.
Could you do a video on what ineos does right as a team and what moviestar does wrong
Ineos has better team docs.......🤔🚴
Have more money
@@domestique3954 Tour De Pharmacy 🤣🤣
Did you notice that both Chaves and Dennis both were in the points jersey?
A work around for the super tuck rule could be to use a dropper post. Teams be adding weight to the bikes to get them up to 6.8 kg anyway. Why not a dropper post for aero postion on the descents.
just for a hoot i tried a super tuck position on a gentle slope and NOT BUSY road. omg it was awkward. my shorts got caught trying to remount the saddle, it was freaking hilarious. glad it is not on video
Why don't they make the rule that a rider's ass must always be at or above the height of the saddle.
They would then put MTB dropper posts on their road bikes or some other loophole.
They can ban supertuck as a position. But as an ideology, as a symbol it lives for ever in the minds of a cyclist and can never be broken
Us "fun riders" will keep it alive
What riders may end up going back to is the Madio Chippolini tuck. I think that is more dangerous. But I think the new rule is unfounded in there have been no documented crashes from using the Supertuck. Now the new rule about PUPPY PAWS. Should be banned for sure. If u hit a bump while in this position (no hands on the bars) u can crash. Those are my thoughts and only opinions. 😊
Today's stage down to Mataró is way harder than it looks, I think.
The prohibition on the super tuck is just plain stoopid!
Super-tuck. An amazing and beautiful position. No documented accidents. Allows the rider to maintain downhill speed while resting (HR-reserve). Again, super-tuck not an issue i.e., safety. Issue (read between the lines) may be from bike manufacturers who have have had increased warranty issues with cracked top tubes. UCI making rules to satisfy manufacturers? I am saddened to see such a wonderful position removed, making the sport even more boring to watch for the uninitiated.
Thanks for non spoiler titles! - Supertuck: The Riders will use a as similar as possible position on the bike, but this will be less stable (sitting on toptube = stabilze a lot in compare to not seating) and more dangerous. I can only see good arguments in role model for inexperienced and younger cyclist
Will teams start using 'Dropper posts' in order to get in a tuck position and remain seated on the saddle.
Ironically, the new rules might cause more crashes because they will make breakaway wins harder and cause more chaotic bunch sprints.
I don't recall ever even someone crash while supertucking.
Also, are they also banning the arms of handlebars position?
For any golfers out there, super tuck can be avoided just like broom stick putters.
Can't sit (s-tuck) - can't anchor (broomstick)
Golfers simply have the putter a centimetre away from there body, and it's legal, same can be done with super tucking
How do the 'supertuck ban rules' apply to riding uphill out of the saddle? Is that banned as well, the rider isn't in contact with the saddle?
my understanding is that you don't ALWAYS have to use all 3 points of contact(bars, seat, pedals), you just cant use any other points of contact. So in other words no ass on the top tube
Is climbing out of the saddle banned too?
my understanding is that you don't ALWAYS have to use all 3 points of contact(bars, seat, pedals), you just cant use any other points of contact. So in other words no ass on the top tube
I don't care about supertuck, but your comment about mass sprints being much more dangerous makes a lot of sense. The 3km rule certainly did not help enough to adress that issue.
They should just design ergonomic "extra padded" certer piece on the handle bars...can lay your chest on or use it for the elbows in the pseudo aero position
What will they call the supertuck when it's done on dropper posts? Droppertuck?
I predict ‘dropper-posts’ will become common on the road.
ban idiot drivers is the best safety tip. notably in races when the TdF cars cut riders off, bang against them throwing them into barbed wire, etc etc etc... far too many incidents of this nature
Let me know if I'm wrong but I haven't seen any rider falling because of that technique.
I wonder if anyone will use a dropper post to get round the supertuck rule
Can you do a segment on Froome and whether he’s making any improvements
He isn’t making any improvements
@@LanterneRougeCycling Some analysis of his recent data vs the past to see what’s going on?
@@pz0lfs probably wants to respect Froome and not make a video because he isn’t going to win a grand tour
His trademark 1000rpm is not there. I don't see it coming back
@@LanterneRougeCycling you could do it as a vine instead then
Unfortunately leaving interpretation in the rules seems to be a bit of a habit among sports lawyers (think also VAR, swimsuits, engines in formula 1 etc)
Supertuck is going nowhere. I can't wait for the workarounds the pro's will have to adopt. Meanwhile I, an amateur, will continue to supertuck at MY discretion.
Moviestar recruiting Chaves early
As significant as the supertuck ban is the second part of the new rule - forearms cannot be used as a support point on the handlebars - meaning no TT position for solo escapees! So lame. The two bans together will have a measurable affect on the viability and success of long range moves.
I like your lawyer's hat. Perhaps you can give Mr Porter some help?
I will even supertuck more from now on.
where is your old vids?
Wait, who is "Supertuck"? How did he pass?
Anyone know how ineos let a massive break go?
Oh yeah, that standard position rule is very clear:
At 5:34 Mohoric uses his shoulders as point of support --> banned
At 3:17 Verona does not use his shoulders --> totally fine
It would be a matter of time before the "supertuck" position would've caused a fatality in pro cycling. Imagine crashing at 50mph in the supertuck!
Don't think they should ban sprinting or the tuc=== faster is usually better
wait is the supertuck back? im confused
It hasnt been banned yet
I don't agree with banning the super-tuck, but in the end it will prevent some big crashes in the future. Before the super-tuck was invented the races weren't less exciting than they're now, so I don't really care.
Although I think that it should be the riders decision if they want to risk their own well being on a descent.
So what about the Jens Voigt type of riders? They are prohibited from putting their elbows down when leading the pack? Seems rather petty
I think that a full peloton of riders should just supertuck on a stupidly shallow descent to take the piss. The UCI can't fine or ban them all, right? And it seems that the majority of pros support the supertuck.
Either that or a mass dropper post transition.
The problem with not respecting whats written in the UCI rules is that at some point, someone will win a race and a competitor will try to discredit the win for breaking that rule.
I think the main thing with the supertuck is that seeing it on TV encourages amateur riders to try it, and in that situation it is dangerous. So they aren't nessecarily changing the rules to protect the pro riders, but to discourage the general public from using it. If it's banned in pro racing, it's much more likely to be frowned upon in amateur group rides etc.
so they should definitely ban the x games, oh and the winter olympics, just ban sport it's way too dangerous
Get at me with more legal advice/analysis. Found that interesting.
Regarding sprints or climbing out of the saddle or celebrating with no hands on the bars, all appear lawful when you read the wording. It doesn't state that contact MUST be with those three points at all times but that ONLY those three areas are considered acceptable. That would then lead, in a plain text reading, to allow standing up on the pedals and cycling without hands. What is interesting is that you could - if not expressly outlawed elsewhere - adopt the superman position with hands on bars, stomach/groin on saddle and legs out straight behind. The rider would not be sitting on the top tube, the seat would not be supported (similar to standing up) and the feet would not be supported (which is fine as they can only be supported on the pedals). If you've ever seen that gif/vid clip of the racer on a single speed you will know what that is!
In the future, as others have said elsewhere, I wouldn't be surprised to see full stroke droppers being designed for road use (including aero shaped posts) to allow for use when descending or other occasions.
0:36....just stop and behold
Freaking beautiful😍