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The Spyderco Smock vs. the SK23: A Custom vs. Production Smockdown
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- Today, we'll take a look at a custom knife, the Smock Knives SK23, and the production knife that it inspired, the Spyderco Smock.
Before anybody asks, this was filmed about 8 months ago, and I no longer have either the custom or production Smocks, both were sold to Patreon patrons.
What take you so long to upload it? Sorry I'm kind of a new subscriber here
If it makes ya feel better the guy from Effenberk Knives took $100 down for a Sigma over a year ago. Finally tracked him down, real estate agent in Florida. Won't respond to any contact. The way I see it $100 is pretty cheap to find out someone's a piece of shit. I know you can't call people out using such disgusting vulgaritys. Thats why I'm here.
It took him 2 years to get it after paying full price. I wouldn't want it anymore either.
Nick Shabazz I hate that smock never replied to any of your videos or dropped in the comment section. I feel like a simple “I’m sorry I made some bad choices as a new business and got in over my head” would have went a long way with a lot of people.
Wellp
That's why i don't let strangers play with my money (insert shrug emoji here)
I wouldn't of waited 2 years over $600. I'd of found the guys home after 6 months. I give you props on the patience.
Right? If I'm paying such a high price for a knife, it should not take more than 2 months
@@steveman751 must be new to customs. Most of the big names take months. Guthrie's books were open in July, and people started getting their order in December.
@@steveman751 there are knives out there with 5 year waiting peroids
Anything custom is going to take time, especially if it's any good. Two years is excessive but definitely not unheard of or really even uncommon, I think most custom knife makers are just regular joes making knives in their garage after work and on weekends.
With the kind of mindset displayed in your comment, please save yourself the trouble and just buy products off the shelf and never custom order anything.
@@barrylinkiewich9688 I have several custom knives. Never waited more than a year. And even the one I waited a year for the guy called me weekly with updates so I knew I wasnt getting screwed.
These came into stock at my local knife shop and I enjoy it very much. I’d have to imagine that the custom quality suffered during the period he was trying to catch up on orders which is so unfortunate.
The Spyderco is everything you’d expect, a well executed production version of a nice custom more readily available to the masses.
I feel your pain with some custom makers. A while back I ordered a custom knife from a maker that also did some designs for Spyderco. It took 3 years to get. He originally told me 9 months, then twice more, he promised the knife but kept getting delayed. All I wanted was an honest estimate. If 3 years was how long it was going to take, then be honest and tell me that. I can then make a decision whether I want the knife or not. Just stop promising things that you can’t deliver. When I finally got the knife, I was so frustrated with the process that I sold it. Good news is that I made $700 profit.
I have the Spyderco Smock and I truly love the Spyderco version - would’ve never paid $600 for the custom version. Spyderco’s quality control is better than the custom version. Nick, I give you props for being patient and giving Smock time on your channel after having you wait 2 years for making good on your purchase. Keep up the good work.
How do you know that exactly?
What makes Nick great is that he is very transparent with his opinions and mostly leaves it up to his viewers to make their own conclusions based on his findings.
I have 3 SK23s. You are wrong.
I am so glad that Smock finally made good on their prior commitment to you. That’s is a good indication that they want to stay in business. But to actually come back after so long can only express good intention. They could have just sort of blown it off as difficult time their history and moved on without another word...but they did not. Also I get that it is easy for me to say such things as I was not stiffed for what is to me a huge amount of money. I wonder if you were at all surprised to get that one in the mail???
After seeing the previous Spyderco Smock video, I fully expected a dead horse beating today once I saw the title.
After two years I wouldn't have given the knife any views, you're better than most of us.
The SK23 was a highly rated GEM when you reviewed it before. One of the best knives ever made at the time it sounded like and drove Kevin's orders through the roof.
Nick i must say that the Spyderco Smock is so nice i would love to have one in my collection, stay in the UK dont know where that might be in UK in the LAW. Great review
Good video , very different knives for sure. Thanks for sharing !👍😊
I just wish the Spyderco smock would make the choil more like the original.
Nick, I have the Spyderco version of this and it is a great knife. I like the compression lock button release more than the standard compression lock and the compression lock is my favorite lock option for knives and the button is just great. The hollow grind is a great thing too. I'm not sure if I like it enough to get the custom version and I surely would not have been happy to pay 600 bucks in full and get the knife 2 years later. That is a perfect example of bad business practices and just a bad thing. Keep up the good work.
Saw a video of someone that did the second detent removal, the blade would indeed fall open when the button was pressed and the closing action was much improved. Problem was that the single detent was weaker than desired for good flipping. Standard Taichung too soft.
Matthew Grulke Mine flips every time without second detent. No extra wrist or movement required.
I had to wait a year wait for my pre ordered spyderco smock too :(
Is that you, Joe Biden?
On the plus side, the custom doesn’t have a stupid lanyard hole.
...or the cheeseball CF laminate.
Good to see he did make things right after all
Thanks for another great review. I'd be very interested in a knife with the best features of each model.
I wonder if you would still be waiting for your custom Smock knife if you hadn't told of the waiting time involved, during your first review of the Spyderco Smock? It makes one wonder.
I ordered an SK23 before I got in on the first run of the Grimsmo Rask. Still haven’t gotten the SK23. But Kevin did say on IG that he is back on track with production... so maybe soon?
Idk if I made the right choice in opting for the 20cv smock plus micarta scales at a total of 255 dollars when I could have gotten the zt056ti for 280dollars. My only reasoning I didn’t get the zt is because I purchased the full ti zt0095bw 3 months ago. I don’t own any micarta scales knives so that’s how I tell my self I made the right choice but I really don’t know. The smock does have a short length in sharpened blade because of the choir that has to be on it for the button lock.
I really enjoy your choice of words there nick. Always fun videos.
For my knife buying and ‘what do I carry today’ metrics, fidget factor weighs high. With a small mod, my Spydy Smock is the most fidget friendly knife I own. Use wise though, that massive choil is a major barrier to ‘favorite knife’ distinction. I know it is there for the button on the compression lock, but I have enough faith in engineering prowess to believe it could be overcome.
If I were president of Knifutopia, I’d have Spyderco license the Deadbolt, put it on the Smock II and live happily ever after. Then again, if I was president, I’d tell CRKT to start using enthusiast grade build materials. And then...
What mod did you do to the Smock? Did you remove the second detent?
Hi -- really like your review, I also like nice knives. I recently bought and received a Ontario Rat 2 two months ago per your recommendation (cheapest knife I have ever purchased). What a great choice, glad I didn't pay the big bucks for the benchmade bugout--that butterfly is really expensive.
I absolutely love the way the custom knife looks but I’m not really a fan of the spyderco version.
This was one of the best, clearest demos on the differences between custom & production knives I've seen.
i've heard longer wait times for custom knives
You’re better than me. I would have reacted much worse if someone took my $600 and took 2.5 years to send me the knife.
IMO I like the look of the custom better. Wish they kept that look and improved on it with the production lighter, thinner stock etc
The Spyderco version always looked like a 'mismatched parts from other knives thrown together' type arrangement. After seeing this, I have to say that I like it more. If only they went full wharnie, and didn't mill the carbon fibre.
Matthew H many folks are adding their own custom scales (for this and many other knives).
I put a deep carry Ti pocket clip on it the second I opened the box. Still not sure if I want to keep the knife or not. The blade falls freely pushing the button like the custom out of the box on mine🤔
If anyone cares to know. If you remove the secondary detent ball and spring on the Smock, it behaves just like the SK23. A lot smoother and closes like a dream. I only wish they would have designed the choil on the Smock like the on on the SK23.
That "choil" for the button is horrid. BWL has a push button PM2 and they did it without the "choil".
Agree 100%. Fidget factor and deployment and closing satisfaction rank high. I don’t carry it much though, because the choil gets caught on the giant paper airbags we use at work. I can think of a few solutions.
I really like the look of the custom.... but $600 for a 2 year wait???? Nope.
I think I'd spydieflick that maker off and smock right out with my money.
Good review. Hard to believe it took that long to get your custom. Sypderco should have gone with the custom finger choil. It would make it much more ergonomic. My production action is great.
You should compare it to the SK23, the handle looks very similar to the Spyderco!
I would have demanded a refund after just 3 months but that's just me, my feelings are if you can't deliver do the right thing and refund the money and just another reason I have come to hate Drop in spite of some of their desirable collaborations. I do not like when my money is in the wind and without any communication from Drop on the status of delays they are now in my rear view mirror, that and they insist on still slathering their
MASSDROP on the makers blade, I digress.
My Feldspars I ordered from Drop 2 months ago came in, defective. They said there are no extras bought for exchanges I have to wait until the next drop. I asked for a refund. Still waiting to hear from them.
Jesse Russell ...that really sucks. I have had a couple similar experiences with them. They do come you with some very unique collabs but you pay for them one way or the other.
@@jessruss40 There should be no reason to wait for a refund other than you still have the knife in your possession. Call them and get a RMD # with a pre-paid label or just send it back without one because they will probably never respond to you and then file a complaint with your bank or if you used PayPal file with them, in spite of not being a fan of their policies they recovered almost $400 for 2 different sellers that tried to shaft me last year. They do require a filing within the first 30 days of receipt but still I tend to use them due to their recovery of my monies. Like I said, Drop is in my rear view mirror and I hope they stay that way. Good Luck
I would think the gravity-knife reg. came after too many people showed up to the hospital with stab-wounds from their own knives opening in their pockets.
2 years delay? That's smockin' crazy!
I pre-ordered the Spyderco and waited over a year. Not good.
@@hondasaki900 Whoa! That's nuts.
Thank you for continuing the Smock saga. I have the Spyderco version, which I like. I won’t hold my breath for a custom, though.
Wow. Paying $600 for a knife, then receiving it more than 2 years after purchase. I think that is only somewhere in crazy land. How about paying $84 for a Spyderco Delica, and getting it a few days later. In the real world, where people actually need to use tools every day, a 2 year delay for a purchased item would not be acceptable.
$600 knife = man jewelry
@@edrader nope. That's someone paying for their hobby.
that's what i'm saying. these are not "work" knives unless you consider quartering an apple in the lunchroom work. you're not going to see electrician's using a $600 knife on the job
@@edrader you don't know that, bruh. Pal. Buddy.
I've been an electrician for 35 years. I know the difference between a tool knife and and man jewelry
Im afraid to preorder anything. I give you money, you give me product. I'll sign up for a wait list but I'm not giving up any money until product is ready.
If you hold up a 940 osborne next to the smock , it’s kind of similar ... the handle shape and the blade shape. The choil is the biggest difference. I can’t NOT see the osborne but it’s attractive as hell. Spyderco needs to stop raising prices btw.
You no where I can purchase a custom smok
Interesting note: $600 invested in the S&P 500 btwn 2018 and 2020 grew to $712. It’s actually a $712 knife. Painful.
Yo Nick.... missed u on ur other channel MixedMolly Whoppery...
I wonder what the wait time is now, and is Smock up front about it. I wonder why Nick waited so long to post. I feel some conflict here, pissed at Smock but wanted to post the Spydie?
Not sure if he's still at 2 years for customs, but I paid for spyderco smock scales from him in February 2019 that were supposedly going to be finished within 4-6 months that I've still heard nothing about.
i ordered one he said 18 months waiting time.
The production does list a hollow grind, and took a hell of a long time to show up at market.
I prefer the look of Spyderco version.
Thanks for telling it like it is....
10:12 I'm very disappointed in you Nick, you missed your opportunity at "and I hope you have an absolutely *smocking* wonderful, rest of your day.".
I own the Spydie version and love it. Like you alluded to in the video, the second detent ball can be easily removed and the action ends up nearly identical to the custom. That being said, I like the size/shape/blade shape of the custom better and would love it if Spyderco was allowed to make a production version of the SK23 with thinner/lighter scales and much thinner blade stock.
I wonder what the most expensive knife is, and how many of those are sold.
I'm about to watch the vid but wanted to make this comment before I saw the Nick GBU treatment.
I bought the Spydie and liked it so much that I sourced an original. The original is too heavy and thick (imo) but it's built like a tank and I absolutely love the blade shape, how it deploys, and the locking mech. Sypderco already has a home run with the Smock design but they could have a grand slam with a 3x higher price point with better handles and steel. Starting the vid now...let's go!
Can you smell.....what the Smock.....is cookin'?
Just felt we needed more Smockdown references.
I'd hate to be this guy's accountant. Collect full price and deliver 2 years later?! Yeesh.
Spyderco for the win.
Non committal warncliffe? It's clearly a sheeps foot that has actual slicing performance vs a straight edge warncliffe that is literally the least useful blade shape
I wish spydercos blade geometry was more like the original
Gravity knives are legal in NY now.
Six hundred bucks!
So you got your knife right after you talked about it on the Spyderco Smock video. That’s an interesting coincidence. Dude probably searches his name every day and found out you’re more famous than him and decided to send it out. Hahahahahaha, nice on waiting so long to tell everyone. I would’ve done the same thing.
I’m the 1000th viewer on your video!
That's smocking crazy
If I ever run for office, "Lawmakers stirring fear in the populace, to try to gain control over them", will become my main talking point.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
help me smock
he's dead jim
👍
@7:49 can someone hear bird or a child scream mom?
The Syderco is a Frankensmock. Ugh... The Smock is a rather elegant design, IMO.
Remind me never to piss you off, I would never want to be the object of your ire 😱
It clearly clouded this review. Watch the earlier one where he loves the SK23.
Well I think he’s addressed in an older vid the downright impossibility of objectivity so I don’t particularly blame him for the tone of this review.
Great review, I've been looking at the spyderco. I enjoy your honest opinion but it seems like you're really trying hard to justify having spent $600 on the custom.
Hey Nick, looks like you caught the Californiatitis, your north eastern accent has dissipated, I referenced an early video of yours with this, you definitely caught the bug, does it hurt, LOLHMS
very disjointed and at warp speed. not ur best
Well, both are ugly as sin, and both are from brands/makers that need to have their business models re-evaluated