We bolt a wheel to the crankshaft - will the car spin?
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I thought after the tire broke loose the first time they were going to remove the engine and transmission and 180°/turn the engine and transmission around so the transmission yoke was sticking out in front of the car to somehow mount a tire to, that way they would have a clutch and gears. Always another great episode! Merry Christmas everybody
That was scary how that wheel shot out like that, good thing nobody was in it's path though they WERE before!
Yea I love when the top comment ruins the episode
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I thought the same but it boils down to traction and gear ratio
It took me reading @andrasszabo7386 comment to understand yours. Cant wait to see a backward engine circle making machine.
Gives new meaning to the term "flywheel" 😅
Thank you, I'll see myself out!
Especially the Fist one 😂
Thanks again to BMI Russia for the voice over and translation!
Another awesome experiment video guys, theres are no failures here just more hard earned knowledge!
Lol:):)
Some are just basic physics things....
@@joe125ful could say that about anything but what are you actualy saying though? 🤔
I would like your comment but it has a "nice" number and don't wont to ruin it :)
@@damirkvajo you made the right choice. Id have done the same!
Even with the reduction gear, it's still like trying to set off in 5th gear, I can't see this ever working unless you stick a big Diesel motor with loads of torque in there.
With very low idle
Reduction did nothing , in fact made it worst !
Not only setting off in 5th gear. It’s like dropping the clutch in 5th
@@Akotski-ys9rr even worse. 4th or 5th is usually 1:1 but then the diff is usually around 3:1 again. So it's like 10th gear lol
I was wondering if a 4 cyl dragster motor was used and supercharged nitrus fed if it would have the power it would be terrifying if it did get spinning for the driver and the guy dropping the jack
Another awesome upload from Garage 54.
And thank you BMI Russian for the voice over and translation.
A tire on the back of the car via the reduction of the transmission with a legtened propshaft would have maybe worked. Loose the back axle and straight trough the back of the car with the propshaft. If it is still spinning too fast you can use an extra chain ratio like you did in the front.
Oh, that is smart. Much easier than my idea of adding a clutch to the front, since you now already have it included anyway
That's a great idea............ Will have a clutch and gear ratios to play with. Give it a try Garage 54 !
This is a good idea - we can see that the current engine - or for that matter, probably almost any engine, would not have the "umph" to turn the wheel in a 1 to 1 ratio. Putting the wheel through some sort of transmission makes sense - and having it come out the back, taking advantage of the existing clutch and transmission makes sense - with a wheel at the back of the car instead of the front. Might make it less stressful for the driver once it gets spinning as well as then the driver will be closer to the center of spinning rather than at the outside.
Or only the rim?
I think they've done the experiment before
There were experimental cars made in the 40's with a similar wheel rigged to the rear differential to allow for easy parallel parking. But in those cars, there was gear reduction from the transmission so they didn't stall, and controls to raise and lower the wheel.
Turn the engine 180 degrees and mount the tire to the transmission instead. That way you can use the gears to increase torque and reduce RPM.
They already did that in "We fit a wheel straight to the propshaft"
@@shaneeslick I must have missed it or it did not get translated to English
This is the second time that someone has mentioned this method, I agree that it could work.
Your lads are getting very skilled in machining and fabrication!
maybe rig your back wheels to be like castor wheels so they can follow the circle direction.
Maybe just a big plate with castor wheels, set back of car on the 'dolly plate' so your rear wheels are held off ground. Bet you'll be spinning it round and round like a mad rodeo! Great fun you guys!
It will never work
in 4 gear that is almost always 1:1 there a thing called a differential and it's probably 4:1 they got what look like a 2:1 ratio with the chain system
First gear is ~ 3:1 with a 4:1 diff that make a 12:1 ratio in first gear ie the engine make 12 turn for one turn of the wheel
What they doing is equivalent to put your car in 4 gear and dump the clutch it will never work with a 75hp engine
Absolutely hilarious. I'd really like to see another attempt to make this work!!!
I think a smaller diameter wheel will help, but it'll still be quite the load. The horsepower is made at somewhere around 5 or 6k rpm, not at lower rpm at which you need the power and torque. Maybe try a small tire and a 4:1 ratio, or incorporate a heavy flywheel rated for high rpm to help store some of that energy you need to initially get the car going
its torque thats really needed down low, not power
Look first gear on most car is 3:1 and the diff is 4:1 for a total of 12:1
In 5 gear the ratio is ~0.85:1 + the 4:1 of the diff = 3.2:1
4 gear is generally 1:1 + the 4:1 diff ratio = 4:1
so no a 4:1 ratio would be like dumping the clutch in 4 gear
@@ct1762see my above post torque is not the problem that what a transmission is for
I think that could work. very smart thinking on the heavy flywheel, that's an excellent idea!
@@R3nier it won't work the engine still have the flywheel on the back it's required to start the engine
Secondly a 4;1 ration would.be the equivalent of dumping the clutch in 4 gear at full throttle
Most 4 cylinder engine have a 4:1 differential and 4 gear is also always 1:1 forma total of 4:1
First gear is normally 3:1+4:1 from the diff equals 12:1
Here's another engine-related experiment #suggestion for you guys:
How about rearranging the pins on a stock Lada crankshaft and making it a crossplane 4 cyl engine? Will it sound like a tiny V8?
Based on the 6 cyl Lada experiement you are already comfy with hacking the hell out of cranks (and cams)!
You should have used a donut tire, it has a smaller diameter and smaller rolling surface, possibly enabling the anemic motor to do it.
Good idea. Plus figure a way to make it really slick. Maybe duct tape would be a little stronger.
Uhm no.
Bald for the win. The torque and horsepower are "hiding" in the transmission and rear end, both of which are "missing"... only way to make up for that if there's any hope at all is with lots of slip until things are moving enough that it isn't needed anymore (bring a spew bucket for the driver) 🤣
In addition to using reduced tire size, you can block the right rear wheel and engage reverse. Car will spin in the same direction. Another good try is to install a clutch in the front wheel to aliviante the start.
You need a v8 with torque and another gear reduction
Good for parallel parking 😂
Literal definition of "Power at the crank" 😅
Full honesty, from the title what I thought they were going to do was mount an axle lengthwise though the car and make it spin rotisserie style!
Try weld the rear left wheel. it will then work like a compass. you can use a smaller wheel diameter on the engine or remove the tire and use only the rim
Not enough ground clearance for a smaller diameter wheel. Wont be enough gearing reduction anyway as for a normal car's total reduction from second gear will be about 5-1 ratio.
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Should have added lots of weight in the trunk. Might help lessen the forward weight. Cool video!
This , and add mass (flywheel) to the front wheel to increase rotational torque.
Would be fun to try that out the rear with a drive shaft and tire. With the gearbox in line, you know you could do some REALLY FAST spins
This time, the hilarious thing is reading the helpful comments to solve how to make this happen😂 great ideas and insight everyone! Bit odd, but feels right here!
Russian engineering at its finest
Try a cycle tyre, a bald one! You guys never cease to amaze (and amuse) me!
Just imagine how fast that car would be spinning if it worked. lol The thing I love about this channel is even when they fail, it's just as entertaining as when they succeed.
I get the feeling you come up with these ideas over Friday afternoon drinks!
😂 that was hilarious, I think I was laughing just as much as you did driving it or attempting too!
Bystander Butch loves the crazy experiments this shop performs. Bystander Butch finds many of them funny!
I'd love to see you guys build some drift ladas with diy upgrades and run tandems! Maybe another one of those custom 6 cylinders too 😁
Next time, remove the rear axle, and mount the tire to the BACK end of the car, using the driveshaft to spin it. With less weight on the wheel, a working clutch, and first gear (or reverse!), it should spin nicely! And you can countersteer the front wheels for more style!
They already did that in "We fit a wheel straight to the propshaft"
@@shaneeslick Oh! Thanks.
Heroic effort!!!
Thanks one of the craziest and interesting channels on CZcams
These guys just never stop comming up with mad shit 😂😂😂
😂 Just by the title I’m already pissing my pants laughing. Stay Frosted!
if you would put rear axle further back it would be easier for engine to spin the car because the path of the front wheel would be larger circle so it would make more revolutions per car turn, that means better gear ratio without actually changing 1:1 engine to wheel gear ratio.
A wheel right on the crank, that would be like a transmission and rear end all 1:1, equivalent to a pretty high gear and the reason it kept stalling. Loved this one!
They have added a reduction gear, however i think that it would have to be reduced much more than that for it to work.
Suggestion. Weld the front wheels straight ahead then remove the back axel and put your one wheel adapter in the back from the driveshaft so you can shift gears for more torque. If you keep the front brakes you can then use them to help stop in case you get sick to your stomach.
Or just lock the steering wheel
They already did that in "We fit a wheel straight to the propshaft"
The Lada Ballet… 😂
this is so great loved when it chunked off haha
A smaller diameter, skinnier trailer tire may work.
Also, a pinnacle under the diff to stop the widening circle.
No ground clearance for a smaller diameter wheel
@@rossbrumby1957 could be
@@rossbrumby1957 Extend the c-channel and chain.
Does look like lots of fun!!!
Great channel, fun, thanks.
9:06 That tire exploded at crank speed.. Glad nobody got hit when the crank mount went lol... Try putting weight in the very back of the trunk and put a skinny slick tire on the front.. one that wont explode before 5k rpms..
Be safe guys and have a wonderful holiday..👍👍
One of the funniest things these guys did😂
"were you on the brakes?" "Oh right it doesn't have any" 😂
Now you need to connect the differential directly to the crank
Add an electric motor and you have a low budget Koenigsegg.
That's already done by g54.
The reduction with ice and a slick wheel (smooth textured ductape) would work for at least one 360. Maybe a bit more reduction. Or just throw in a clutch and burn it for that extra smoke screen effect.And lower the back of the car to move the center of gravity! In fact, you could perhaps put some heavy weights on a pole that you can move front/back within the car to shift the center of gravity to give it more or less grip. While you're spinning around like mad. I'd watch that.
You built a car that smiles like a donut. I'm actually a little concerned.
Merry Christmas to y’all despite the political conflicts and all the hardships you guys are an amazing channel keep it up
I can't believe no one was hurt when that wheel came off!
I love this channel it's comedy gold ideas made reality 😂😂😂
That was brilliant, you've got way too much time on your hands 😂.
I was waiting for the moment the wheel went and did its' own thing, wasn't disappointed... :P
Keep that tire rolling! LOL
14:00 That blue cloth give good grip, would be interesting to see how driving around in that cover is like. lol
What creativity!
centrifugal clutch, much better control of power to the wheel in this set up😂
Interesting video as always, add a continuously variable clutch system.
These guys are great. "We're gonna do some weird shit and see what happens"
Mad stuff
Bahahahaha awesome!! Y'all must have fun with this stuff I'm sure 😀
Awesome video. Maybe try doing this at the rear of the car. Remove the differential and hook something upto the drive shaft, that way you have the use of the gears and clutch.
They already did that in "We fit a wheel straight to the propshaft"
Nice place you have sr.. look that’s so many ship container you have, this is amazing i can’t imagine me having only 10 of those and you have so many hundred of that
I vote for the rear wheel mounting and extending the drive shaft maybe incorporating the rear differential into the mix some way. I'm sure you guys can get it done! Only way the front wheel would work is if you had a very powerful modified engine maybe with nitrous. That would be a real interesting, but dangerous option!
They already did that in "We fit a wheel straight to the propshaft"
Sounded good. Will need to lower the gears to increase the torque a bit more than you did..
Cookie Sheets under the rear tires would let it slide! One tire is digging in, try turning a single axle trailer by itself.. it binds up naturally. Cool experiment, great channel!
Hi guys good content and funny too. but may be in this case make the shell of the car as light as possible 😂
You need to bolt the transmission onto the front too
A new meaning for "Take the car for a spin".
Put a lot of counterweights in the trunk (or add a counterweight frame several feet back with less weight) so that the car is nearly balanced on the rear wheels, that would remove most of the weight on the front tire. Less weight on the front tire, less traction, easier to spin the tire and keep it spinning. The counterweight will also at least partially solve the issue with the car moving forward and plowing ahead instead of pivoting around its rear axle, it'll make it more stable in that regard. The alternative would be to add a second tire in the front that isn't powered but is inline with the driven tire, and use it to take most of the weight off the crankshaft tire instead. Perhaps some kind of jack or some kind of lever that you could use to raise or lower the tire to find the right height to allow the tire to spin and still be able to propel the car in circles. Maybe it could be installed in the passenger seat so the driver could adjust it himself as needed.
Keep in mind that if the engine is spinning the tire at idle, say 850RPM, wheel speed is going to be around 60mph. A more realistic 10mph wheel speed would mean your engine is only turning at 142RPM, and I don't know of very many car engines even capable of no load idling at that RPM, so spinning the tire is an absolute necessity in order to keep the engine running. If the engine doesn't start making usable power until 2,500RPM and that's where you're revving it up to and dropping it, that means you're trying to keep the tire spinning at 180MPH. Not particularly feasible with 60HP and passenger car tires, even on the ice with tape around the tire. There's no way that little engine has the capability for that. However, a 2:1 gear reduction brings it down to a more feasible 90mph. I think 60HP could probably keep it spinning at 90MPH with very little weight on the tire, and the tire itself is less likely to self destruct at speeds it was never meant to be spinning at. Alternatively, if the engine made enough usable power at 1,700RPM, then your wheel speed is a very leisurely 60MPH...and if you pin the throttle and somehow manage to get it spinning to 4,000RPM, your tire speed would be 140MPH. You'd need a well balanced tire for that so you're not destroying your engine with vibrations, and that's probably why the first tire ripped itself off the crankshaft.
Lol,you do some pretty interesting stuff on here
NITROUS! That's here the HP and torque is! :D
I bet the last version would work on smooth dry pavement!
Weight on the crank is the reason why it isn’t working
Other than (not 😂) more reduction, caster wheels on the rear to reduce drag when the wheels are pushed side ways would help heaps i think, and if it does get going it gonna be one hellava ride 😮🎉
I feel the need for a centrifugal clutch 😎
I suggest making a full Lada restoration video
I’m not gona lie I like this channel
I wanted to see this work so bad!!😁
Why on Earth am I watching this while I was a busy day in front to tackle 😂???
Beautiful snow ❄ 😍
wtf dude? that's my first thought everytime i see this channel popping up in my feed
The weight of the car on the crankshaft tells how well bolt those old Lada engines were.
Couple of ideas: try a wheel with no tyre, that'll have bags less grip. And/or, hang loads of weight way at the back of the car, using the rear axle as a pivot point to reduce weight on the front. You could probably do some beer mat maths calculations for tractive effort.
send IT!!!!!
This is like trying to start in 4th gear
Hang a counterweight out the back of the car to take weight off of the front.
You're in essence doing 4rth gear clutch dumps. Lmmfao!!!
An interesting modification would be using the "fifth" wheel as a flywheel, using a one-way clutch to improve fuel's efficiency.
Clutch guys a clutch
Try putting something really heavy into the trunk to get some weight of the front tire, and maybe put your seat further to the back too
Add an adjustable trailer jockey wheel to it. Use it to raise the front and slowly lower it once the cars momentum is achieved, then wind the jockey wheel all the way up
Looking at the orientation of the engine, is this a rear wheel drive?
Because if the diff is still connected then that might be where you are losing the forces.
Can you transplant the rear axle from a FWD onto it?
Great experiment and workmanship lads. The engine doesn’t make enough torque at that low speed to sustain itself, even at idle around 1000rpm that tyre would be doing around 100kph. It would be like a centrifuge! Brilliant.
I finally found this channel again. I only remembered it as crazy Russian dude and a Lada.
Add weight to the back of the car (might need to extend the back to do it), so that less weight in on the crank wheel.
the center of mass is too far forward. the smaller driver helped, but perhaps some weights in the trunk to get the thing to balance out on the back wheels.
Wow........ everyone ok........ that was awsome........
In 1000 years someone is going to dig all these cars up and have the ultimate WTF moment
G'day Garage54,
🤔So today we learned when your drive tyre is Cranky your car won't go
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You could try block the rear right wheel and engage reverse. Another try is installing a clutch between engine and wheel.
It looks like it’s screaming for help 😂