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  • čas přidán 18. 08. 2023
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    Long ball football is back. But it's being used less so by teams unable to build up from the back, but by elite teams like Pep Guardiola's Manchester City side.
    So why are bigger clubs with solid technical players happy to hit the ball long? Jon Mackenzie takes a look at why Premier League sides are bringing back long balls.
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Komentáře • 276

  • @iamjimb
    @iamjimb Před 8 měsíci +336

    My grandad will be thrilled. "Play the long ball! " and "you can't beat the long ball" are some of his favourite phrases while watching football, along with "wing it!" and "why do they keep running backwards?!"

    • @mohammed.badri_
      @mohammed.badri_ Před 8 měsíci +59

      proper football boot it down the pitch 4-4-2 big 9 small 9

    • @commentarytalk1446
      @commentarytalk1446 Před 8 měsíci +18

      And defenders? " 'OOF IT !! OOF IT !"

    • @lalos9782
      @lalos9782 Před 8 měsíci

      @@mohammed.badri_alpha football

    • @thierryhenry674
      @thierryhenry674 Před 8 měsíci +25

      The majority of the English fans, people who knows nothing about football, who are risk averse and have boring football in their DNA, would love it.

    • @Aldo-fj7ep
      @Aldo-fj7ep Před 8 měsíci +1

      Play the LONG BALL? 😏😏

  • @Rolopoloyolo
    @Rolopoloyolo Před 8 měsíci +754

    You know you’ve stayed up too late when you’re awake for a Tifo upload

    • @sthompson12132
      @sthompson12132 Před 8 měsíci +21

      tifo throwing my sleep issues back in my face with every post

    • @ashnereden2688
      @ashnereden2688 Před 8 měsíci +12

      Real. It’s 1:30 am rn for me

    • @mismisimognomo101
      @mismisimognomo101 Před 8 měsíci +8

      Literally same, 3 AM here but i don't mind waking up a lil bit later !

    • @papajoeman23
      @papajoeman23 Před 8 měsíci +7

      5pm in Sydney perfect system

    • @Emman3
      @Emman3 Před 8 měsíci +10

      3:40 am in the states 😂

  • @ImBarryScottCSS
    @ImBarryScottCSS Před 8 měsíci +47

    The modern game has been crying out for it for a long time, teams are leaving themselves hopelessly exposed to the long ball and the irony of Man City being the team that effectively ended long ball culture being the first to bring it back is not lost on me.

    • @karabomasibi2331
      @karabomasibi2331 Před 8 měsíci +15

      The thing about Pep is that he's a student of the game and is always willing to apply a tactical change if it wins. Because he has guided footbal so far way from the long ball, now he gets to revitalize it and keep using it until others get hip. His advantage is constantly being ahead of the curve and not being stuck to one way of playing.

    • @ImBarryScottCSS
      @ImBarryScottCSS Před 8 měsíci +6

      @@karabomasibi2331 100% sometimes I think he sets the meta just so he can wait till all the other teams adopt it and exploit them 🤷‍♂️

    • @andresmartinezramos7513
      @andresmartinezramos7513 Před 8 měsíci +2

      ​@@ImBarryScottCSS arguably, the master of a style is in the best position to play against it

    • @jacoblunn29
      @jacoblunn29 Před 8 měsíci

      @@andresmartinezramos7513 not even arguably you said a fact

  • @shojinrc8
    @shojinrc8 Před 8 měsíci +242

    Really love the way how jon explains. He explains everything in detail even if it is small known things to football fans and the pace he does is easy to follow even for any non-native english speaker.

    • @TheCruijffTurn
      @TheCruijffTurn Před 8 měsíci +3

      Agreed. Incredible written English for a non-native speaker by the way.

  • @Sach6251
    @Sach6251 Před 8 měsíci +119

    Man I am addicted to your channel, I never thought there was so much more to learn about systems.

    • @skullxishim
      @skullxishim Před 8 měsíci +2

      Me too fr

    • @liamjones9115
      @liamjones9115 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@skullxishimthis is where failed journalists with a level 2 football development coaching badge live.

  • @false9590
    @false9590 Před 8 měsíci +12

    Looks like a big reason for Pep's successful career is constant innovation.

  • @Acastan7
    @Acastan7 Před 8 měsíci +62

    That howling intro is one of the best I've seen! It had me cracking up and instantly hooked on the video, great as always

  • @MarksUkuleleTips
    @MarksUkuleleTips Před 8 měsíci +24

    I loved the subtle little animation where Ederson kicks the ball off Jon's head.

  • @milktea2422
    @milktea2422 Před 8 měsíci +43

    I’m pretty sure like all things, football is a cycle. -when a team figures out a very effective way of play, all the other teams try to implement it with what they have, and usually there’s an exploit that happens as many teams start doing those same brand new tactics. And then the person or team who spots this uses it against everyone, and now the top managers who have implemented the new style of play must figure out how to stop that exploit, and it become a cycle

    • @karabomasibi2331
      @karabomasibi2331 Před 8 měsíci +2

      And the reason for Man City's dominance is that pep is always willing to learn new systems and apply them so City are always among, if not the first, teams willing to attempt the new thing. Never being too far behind the new tactical innovation and then once everyone goes to the new way, he can quickly revert to the old

  • @JiTiAr35
    @JiTiAr35 Před 8 měsíci +29

    the problem is, Man City is also good at short football.
    Long football is another option especially with Ederson.
    So, yes. Man City is still a scary team.

  • @damianstarr1696
    @damianstarr1696 Před 8 měsíci +11

    When I played with a CFG coach a couple of years his advice to me as a GK when we implemented pressing was to read the pitch, if the 6 knocked the ball back to me from a goalkick it probably means they are pressing very high so there's gonna be space for the attackers to run into if I can hit a long ball to them. Pressing is a wonderful tool that many misinterpret

  • @les_crow
    @les_crow Před 8 měsíci +49

    The "when people think of long ball football what they think of" in the first 20 seconds of the video is the correct description of Manchester United. I don't think there's any one of Europe's top 50 team quite so bad and playing through the phases.

    • @ritchierich2793
      @ritchierich2793 Před 8 měsíci +2

      🤣 damn ...

    • @moufdidjouadi
      @moufdidjouadi Před 8 měsíci

      Do you watch football?

    • @adenihunadewale9214
      @adenihunadewale9214 Před 8 měsíci +2

      When you have rash-bruno-mount,
      What do you expect

    • @UjuChima-fq2jw
      @UjuChima-fq2jw Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@adenihunadewale9214he means last season Man Utd which had to because de gea is not comfortable on the ball

    • @adenihunadewale9214
      @adenihunadewale9214 Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@UjuChima-fq2jw and it looks like it would continue this season

  • @tiagoruas8105
    @tiagoruas8105 Před 8 měsíci +17

    Tifo have Jon working hard, these IRL videos, narrating Tifo vids and the podcast. All for it, guy is great.

  • @M4NA5
    @M4NA5 Před 8 měsíci +75

    Somewhere in Europe, van Gaal is sat smiling.

  • @valkenbach
    @valkenbach Před 8 měsíci +6

    Ittihad Tanger 🔥

  • @damiennaidoo7401
    @damiennaidoo7401 Před 8 měsíci +24

    I think we haven’t seen an elite mid/low block team for some time. Mourinho’s Inter or Simeone’s Atleti are good examples - mid block with excellent pressing traps. Spanish teams are the best examples of low blocks and they have the ability to control the tempo hence why they’re good in Europe. It’s nice to see a striker like Haaland after all the false 9s we’ve seen. Proper penetrative player who can ruin a team with a high line.

    • @renickjeune8761
      @renickjeune8761 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Yea Sevilla Outplayed City in Super Cup Final.

  • @GioNecromancer
    @GioNecromancer Před 8 měsíci +2

    I read it elsewhere, but it also fits this video.
    It seems that the current pressing meta of football has pushed the playmaker even further back than the deep lying midfielder and now with the likes of ederson, onana and others, it is the goalkeeper who has stepped into that role.

  • @Initials_
    @Initials_ Před 8 měsíci +19

    At point every manager is competing for second place. Guardiola is miles ahead.

  • @skikoooooo17
    @skikoooooo17 Před 8 měsíci +4

    That IR Tanger kit looks great on Jon

  • @harshabc5562
    @harshabc5562 Před 8 měsíci +2

    The last season metrics was for the entire season, right? The sample sizes don't match for comparison. We can't compare one game against a whole season. It's possible the average numbers over this season will remain the same as last.

  • @mangalaa10
    @mangalaa10 Před 8 měsíci

    What a beautiful illustration. Really loved this. Greaet work jon!

  • @TikiMakala
    @TikiMakala Před 8 měsíci +12

    This video is still in the intro ad but this is the most anticipated todo video I’ve ever wanted hahaha. Thank you guys. I’m a tifo fan almost 5+ years!

  • @ajw9533
    @ajw9533 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Graham Taylor used to say it was a long pass, not a long ball.

  • @StevenSmith-mv4ge
    @StevenSmith-mv4ge Před 8 měsíci

    Very in depth. Good job.

  • @el_rooneyo
    @el_rooneyo Před 8 měsíci

    Amazing video - really enjoyed it!

  • @leavingthematrix1261
    @leavingthematrix1261 Před 8 měsíci +11

    This is why Arsenal signed Rice Havertz and Raya. So interesting to learn all this.

  • @YTCvideos
    @YTCvideos Před 8 měsíci +2

    Nothing here just jon rocking IR TANGER kit 😊

  • @adamhopkins2976
    @adamhopkins2976 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Always top videos from Tifo, but this in particular is a really great analysis. Top work team.

  • @marvyjoe413
    @marvyjoe413 Před 8 měsíci +2

    This is such good analysis

  • @cjscerpes
    @cjscerpes Před 8 měsíci +1

    That intro is everything. The enthusiastic delivery of that title line followed by the howl, I was on the floor 😂

  • @wailehattar8166
    @wailehattar8166 Před 8 měsíci +5

    nice shirt bro🇲🇦😁🤝

  • @kennethm.4998
    @kennethm.4998 Před 8 měsíci

    Top notch analysis right there. Superb.

  • @user-tr8se4lk4n
    @user-tr8se4lk4n Před 8 měsíci +2

    So proud that you are wearing my home-town's FC t-shirt 🇲🇦 🇲🇦 🇲🇦

  • @adilx0
    @adilx0 Před 8 měsíci +3

    nice shirt JON Tanger 💙

  • @emmanuelonyono4517
    @emmanuelonyono4517 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Great analysis of football

  • @RyanPatrickOwens
    @RyanPatrickOwens Před 8 měsíci

    WE LOVE TO SEE IT!!!

  • @mismisimognomo101
    @mismisimognomo101 Před 8 měsíci +2

    AYYYYY, Tifo IRL Gang, we early !
    I didn't even watch the full video yet but i know it's going to be 🔥anyways

  • @MikiLund
    @MikiLund Před 8 měsíci

    Yes, started in small 3 years ago, 2 years ago it became a safety valve, last year it was in the tactics.

  • @GrahamPlays
    @GrahamPlays Před 8 měsíci +1

    Fantastic job Jon 🤝

  • @gaurav_koirala
    @gaurav_koirala Před 8 měsíci +2

    If only Xavi had this kind of fast adaptability of tactics within the game.

  • @liamjones9115
    @liamjones9115 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Wait until Eintracht Frankfurt start having a big lump up front to challenge for percentage balls.
    Tifo: the combative area genius Samuel Alle'dyce's revolutionary take on football.

  • @berndmeno9771
    @berndmeno9771 Před 8 měsíci

    Great videos!

  • @fredkaboom
    @fredkaboom Před 8 měsíci +1

    Long balls have always been an option for Ederson. He once assisted Aguero, and that tells you he's been kicking it long for a quite a while now.

  • @billymfboi8939
    @billymfboi8939 Před 8 měsíci

    That kit tho 💙👑🔥🔥

  • @patriotbd5735
    @patriotbd5735 Před 8 měsíci +1

    So, Todd Boehly was right about the 4-4-3 formation all along

  • @RichMitch
    @RichMitch Před 8 měsíci +2

    You killed the podcast!

  • @conors4430
    @conors4430 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I love a good 40 yard plus pass. There is an absolute skill to it. Remind me of Beckham, Stevie G, Lampard and scholes

    • @josuebarboza9809
      @josuebarboza9809 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Sure thing mate. Everyone loves a pirlo.
      It becomes shite when every ball is sent in 40 yards into the striker to try to wrestle something out with the cbs every single time over and over again like most English teams have played forever

  • @jamesmichaels4979
    @jamesmichaels4979 Před 8 měsíci +2

    People who hate on long ball:
    • Top 5 team fans who loose points to it.
    • Football hipsters
    • Football spectators

    • @garyanderton
      @garyanderton Před 8 měsíci

      Nope, appreciate technical football. When you've witnessed teams that can perform with the ball rather than smash and grab, it's hard to go back, at least for me.

  • @omarwalhasan
    @omarwalhasan Před 8 měsíci

    Any idea what software/screens they use on the vids?

  • @randojay
    @randojay Před 8 měsíci +2

    i dont agree with comparing one game's stats against a season. You're taking a single point of measurement against an averaged (de-noised) dataset. So a change on one stat (especially so when its a smaller difference) could mean something, or could not. You wouldnt know for sure

  • @sahilm2002
    @sahilm2002 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Comparing a whole season’s stats vs one single game against Burnley

  • @bishalbhattacharjee8183
    @bishalbhattacharjee8183 Před 8 měsíci +1

    ❤ love your Contents gyus❤

  • @commentarytalk1446
    @commentarytalk1446 Před 8 měsíci +1

    One of your best tactical videos yet - Viewers need to order the Tifo team more Coffee !
    Shame City don't have Sane still. Feel he'd be lethal with Haarland up front...

  • @ZendegiLeonard
    @ZendegiLeonard Před 8 měsíci +1

    Matilda's were great at using these transitions in the World Cup.

  • @filipnielsen1000
    @filipnielsen1000 Před 8 měsíci +9

    I think the game vs Burnley gives a skewed picture. It was very obvious that City did it cause Burnley was so easy to play through. If Burnley had been moving and marking properly, then City wouldn’t have been able to do it, and they would have build up differently

    • @dannyblue5555
      @dannyblue5555 Před 8 měsíci +14

      Arsenal just bought a goalie that plays more accurate long passes and they also bought havertz and they're banking on him helping bypass man to man by the goalkeeper hitting it long to him. Manchester united just burnt every bridge with de gea in order to get a goalkeeper that plays long passes too and they also bought a centre forward that will fit that kind of game. Long balls are back in fashion.

    • @dianabialaskahansen2972
      @dianabialaskahansen2972 Před 8 měsíci +1

      I think what the game really showed is Guardiola's tactical mind, switching through multiple systems, rotating around players, until he finally finds the weakness in the opposition side. This match the weakness was long balls.

  • @duyanhng8430
    @duyanhng8430 Před 8 měsíci +1

    basically the alisson to salah pass

  • @ervinmiracle
    @ervinmiracle Před 8 měsíci +4

    "Long ball" used to mean just launching the ball forward and hoping. Now, "long ball" just means extraordinarily accurate long passes. Ederson's ability to make a "long pass" is another tool in the tool box that will stretch defenses.

  • @Groundsey
    @Groundsey Před 8 měsíci

    The circle is complete.

  • @RedK11
    @RedK11 Před 8 měsíci

    "I love talking about pressing" got a laugh from me even before i read the text

  • @starofmadness8307
    @starofmadness8307 Před 8 měsíci

    I'd like you guys to do a post match analysis show.

  • @mandel94
    @mandel94 Před 8 měsíci +6

    That wolf call was elite. Joe Devine would be proud.

  • @ksw6513
    @ksw6513 Před 8 měsíci

    The team is sweeping forward 💪

  • @prometheanewnation6384
    @prometheanewnation6384 Před 8 měsíci

    Kick and rush yes

  • @ksw6513
    @ksw6513 Před 8 měsíci

    Pressure to score 💪🎼 352

  • @phoenixfire6559
    @phoenixfire6559 Před 8 měsíci +1

    The best example of this is Newcastle. We will play out from the back but if any team presses us aggressively, we go long - partly because we can't play out from the back but also because we have fast wingers. Even though Pope is awful at long balls, Schar, Trippier and Bruno are good at them that it results in a lot of chances for us. This is why even teams like Arsenal are selective when they press us.

    • @mohamedabdi8713
      @mohamedabdi8713 Před 8 měsíci

      In other words📎
      This is how Man utd beat Newcastle in the League Cup Finals last season by out maneuvering Newcastle's pressings easily with long balls.

  • @ahmedbinrobiaa5043
    @ahmedbinrobiaa5043 Před 8 měsíci +1

    When you see Pep uses long balls a lot that means he's not a strong wiled, but it means he has a flexibility of tactic.

  • @devavratnimbalkar8265
    @devavratnimbalkar8265 Před 8 měsíci

    I read the title of this video in Coach Beard's voice! It's kind of funny considering the last season of Ted Lasso was about total football.

  • @rupeoverlay3153
    @rupeoverlay3153 Před 8 měsíci

    Stick it in the mixer!

  • @truegunner7223
    @truegunner7223 Před 8 měsíci +2

    No team in EPL used man-to-man marking more than Yoonited last season.... that's why they would find it hard to switch their approach this season.

  • @fillipe4700
    @fillipe4700 Před 8 měsíci

    you folk are underrated

  • @EliaFlowers
    @EliaFlowers Před 8 měsíci +1

    Based IRT rep in TIFO, lovely video as always

  • @BenjaminKeller
    @BenjaminKeller Před 8 měsíci

    Just know that when you say "40 yards" in my head I have the image of 40 houses with backyards because I have absolutely to reference what a yard that means.

  • @azoic
    @azoic Před 8 měsíci

    its all come full circle..

  • @SAMAKUS
    @SAMAKUS Před 8 měsíci

    What’s the standard deviation for Ederson’s launched pass completion from last season though? You can’t take the data from one game and compare it to all of last season.

  • @LukeGJPotter
    @LukeGJPotter Před 8 měsíci

    The team names 🤣

  • @wolfhaize
    @wolfhaize Před 8 měsíci +9

    Manchester united's play style for years lol

  • @evilestmanlp
    @evilestmanlp Před 8 měsíci +2

    Are you wearing an Ittihad of Tangier kit ? 😅 that’s my city.
    Looks good on you

    • @user-tr8se4lk4n
      @user-tr8se4lk4n Před 8 měsíci +1

      Shocked to see Jon wearing an IRT's t-shirt :O

  • @hilmiansari
    @hilmiansari Před 8 měsíci

    You look great Ittihad Tanger Kit.

  • @damianesene8486
    @damianesene8486 Před 8 měsíci

    Brentford has been doing this in the PL for the last 2 seasons

  • @abiolaolayinka2023
    @abiolaolayinka2023 Před 8 měsíci

    The Reign of the Goblin king

  • @caseyimiller
    @caseyimiller Před 8 měsíci

    Ederson had to so many great balls to the opposite corner against Newcastle

  • @benpeters-brown5317
    @benpeters-brown5317 Před 8 měsíci

    Can't wait for the glorious return of bexitball

  • @ParallaxRS
    @ParallaxRS Před 8 měsíci

    Ladies and Gentlement, we're playing four four fooking two.
    Big man up top, hoof it up there. Love it

  • @madmaf6011
    @madmaf6011 Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks, so are you saying that Ederson has had a light bulb moment?

  • @honestarsenalfan7038
    @honestarsenalfan7038 Před 8 měsíci

    nice howl bro

  • @lifeinlife24
    @lifeinlife24 Před 8 měsíci +1

    This season? It's only been one game!😅

  • @scotthamilton9515
    @scotthamilton9515 Před 8 měsíci

    "They just yeet the ball long" - get thumbs up just for that

  • @mermanfiasco
    @mermanfiasco Před 8 měsíci

    I love how Yeet is a commonly used verb now 😅

  • @TheDarkKnightRacist
    @TheDarkKnightRacist Před 8 měsíci +1

    Pep evolve Tiki Taka to counter team that sitting deep, playing shorter pass and control the game from back to front, but now, many young managers plays modern or positive football, applying high press, it would be a problem for old Pep, but the new Pep is different, he's willing to change his tactics to be fluid and ready to counter any other teams tactics, and the counter of high press is long ball, but you need right players to do so, and Man City got Haaland.

  • @super_organist
    @super_organist Před 8 měsíci +2

    I wonder if Premier league footballers or coaches watch Tifo?

  • @Laid_Back_17
    @Laid_Back_17 Před 8 měsíci

    Eh yoo!!!! IR Tanger kit, what are the odds.
    Much love from Morocco 🇲🇦 🫡

  • @ethanpenaranda5518
    @ethanpenaranda5518 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Is there any platform where these guys cover La Liga teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid?

    • @liamjones9115
      @liamjones9115 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Yeah it's called piping off anything Guardiola does.

    • @mayowa2921
      @mayowa2921 Před 8 měsíci

      @@liamjones9115treble winner

    • @Jur1_00
      @Jur1_00 Před 8 měsíci

      Probably on the athletic but I will have to check.

  • @daviesaruwon7212
    @daviesaruwon7212 Před 8 měsíci

    Do you play fpl?... you'd be so good in it?

  • @Yarison
    @Yarison Před 8 měsíci +3

    This sound like a new thing, but it is not. It is just that people close their eyes (including analysts) when they’ve bought into a narrative in vogue. Both Liverpool and Manchester City have always used long balls. It never went away.
    Do you remember Sam Allardyce saying this five or six years ago? People ignored or laughed at him, but he was right.
    But of course it is a good narrative to pursue now and pass off as something new. It is not!

  • @JR44444
    @JR44444 Před 8 měsíci

    Great video. Though i wouldn't mind a slower talking pace, even if the video becomes a little longer.

  • @nuttavutudsatid4442
    @nuttavutudsatid4442 Před 8 měsíci +3

    So that’s why Arsenal signed Raya

  • @nickgrant2625
    @nickgrant2625 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I like Tifo but how do you base what's happening this season off one games data? Pep might have absolutely ripped them for playing wrong for all we know

  • @jamessivalingam336
    @jamessivalingam336 Před 8 měsíci

    Sure, when Moyes and Dyche does it, they're dinosaurs. When Pep does it, he's a genius.

  • @andrewthornton6192
    @andrewthornton6192 Před 8 měsíci

    John Beck and Joe Kinnear looking for a return to the big time!

  • @wassim9763
    @wassim9763 Před 8 měsíci

    He had a close call against Inter and is incorporating their game now