SLIP TEST - Subaru Outback III S-AWD vs Alfa Romeo156 Crosswagon Q4 - @4x4.tests.on.rollers
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Subaru Outback 2.5 AT (4EAT) VTD S-AWD (2006)
vs
Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon 1.9 JTD MT Q4 (2005)
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And 3 roller test would be pretty simple;
Subaru has drum style handbrake. You can engage it just a little, to vector the torque forward (and simulate rear LSD / help it work).
Also, you could just hit the brake a little with your left foot a little to lock the spinning tire and vector a bit of torque to the left
These are the things which VDC should do and that's the point of the test. Besides - many drivers tried the footbrake and handbrake tricks, never worked.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers lol it saved me a lot of times ;)
So I had to do something wrong if it worked
@@wiciuwiciu2783 Come for the test and we'll see 👍 In a meantime, here are Impreza and Justy, both trying the brake trick:
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@@4x4.tests.on.rollers well, I would gladly come :)
I'm currently looking for second and the same AWD car so it might be fun.
Oh and with that brake trick. I used to gently kick it. Holding it for too long will only make the brake fade.
But anyway, it was real life situations, not rollers
@@wiciuwiciu2783 Then come, maybe you'll be the first who makes the brake trick work 🙂
What I am really missing is:
- introduction on awd systems thst are tested;
- some scoing base for exampe on passed tests and time it took and at the end webpage with car ranking;
- points at the end who had won.
Install Line lockers and lock the spinning wheel, just a proportionate lock. Would like to see that spinning rear locked on the 3 rollers.
Alfa Romeo, if i correctly remember, uses also in 156 crosswagon Q4 Torsen autolocking differentials
Center diff is torsen.
Два года жду xc70 p3 платформы
Still no volunteers...
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@@mihai8166Героям Слава ! 🎉
Napisać, że to widziałem, to nic nie napisać.
Ja tam byłem i piwo z rolersami piłem.
:)
Potwierdzamy! 😁 Trzeba też doprecyzować, że osobiście je dostarczyłeś 😉
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersi bezalkoholowe oczywiście. Clausthaler.
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@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Należy się Wam za te filmiki. Dodatkowo, te żółte naklejki na opony to strzał w 10.
@@krzysztoftkacz Dzięki!
What is the cost of, from factory, putting 2 clutch/friction plates inside a diff.. ? that can be pushed gradually against each other..
All of these struggles and problems gone in an instant.
Honestly, how often the customers facing with an absolute zero friction? The result is between zero and the statistik error. Plus the zero friction in real life is pure ice (quite rare), on ice a smart person using studded tire, which have plenty of grip. Without proper tires isn't any magic, you won't have traction.
From manufacturing side plates would cost around 20-30 euro/diff for nothing in their perpective, so they will save it as profit.
@@bencemuller7919 Doesnt matter if its not 0 friction. Its enought that its low. Which happens all the time in countries that have any kind of real winter.
The "zero" friction is very common at many red light intersections. Which sometimes annoyingly happens to be on a slight incline also. Where cars then polishes the packed snow to far less friction than on an ice skating ring.
But sure, most traction control systems can handle most of those situations today when one wheel still has some traction. But the early ones were often pretty bad when there was a big difference in friction between the wheels, especially if there was some kind of resistance added. Like some deeper snow in front of the other wheels.
Exactly.. $20-$30 is nothing. Coffee money as we say in Sweden. I would gladly pay that extra fee. And far more.
Where it probably will be the most beneficial though is in any parking space that hasnt been plowed yet.
@@martinsvensson6884 in Sweden you are allowed to use studded tires, which can solved basically every situation if you are driving your car not only be a passenger in it.
20-30 euro/diff sounds like coffee money, but think about it as you are producing 100000 or even millions of them, they're always calculating like this.
I can tell you, every car manufacture have a department full with engineers with only one purpose, save money, they're employing 10 engineers for save 1 eurocent on an intake design. In that perpective the 20 euro is like an eurojackpot.
@@bencemuller7919 Yes I've always used studded tires in winter. Never tried anything else.
Have you ever driven on packed snow that has been polished over and over in an intersection? No you havent or your wouldnt try to claim that just adding studded tires will solve that problem :)
Traction control will solve most cases if one wheel still has some traction. But I've already explained the cases where its not enough. Most benefit in real world use would be in unplowed parking spaces.
I would gladly pay more than coffee money to solve it.
Exactly, there are a lot of cars made... and I would pay far more than $30.. so the earnings potential for any car company offering the solution is very large. Its very stupid not taking advantage of that AND solving a problem at the same time.
Cost cutting is something completely different. Its irrelevant to this discussion. I'm talking about adding equipment/features. That's where car companies EARN money. Not lose. So its a win/win.
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@@mihai8166 да слава
@@mihai8166в составе России
3.0 H6 poradziłby sobie lepiej, chociażby dzięki "szperze" w tylnym dyfrze, skrzynia też jest inna i rozdział napędów przód/tył mogą się różnić w zależności od skrzyni/wersji/pochodzenia (USA\Japonia)
Fakt napędy w subaru są różne, lepsze i gorsze. Ja miałem USA 2.5 AT ze szperą z tyłu i napedem ATC i był to staszny pedał. Napęd przedni ze wspomaganiem tyłu. W porównaniu do quattro torsen to subaru było porażką.
Tu napęd (centralny) jest ten sam, co w 3.0 H6.
@@tomektom2350 Tu bardzo wiele zależy od generacji, ten typ napędu bardo się zmienił na przestrzeni lat.
Cóż, ja mam 2,5 z manualną skrzynią i też mam szperę.
Generalnie chyba 90% Outbacków w Europie ma LSD. Wersje USA już różnie.
Sam rozkład napędu diametralnie różni się w 4AT i 5AT. Jeżeli byłoby SI (polift) to wtedy jest jeszcze inaczej.
O manualnej skrzyni nie wspominając...
@@wiciuwiciu2783 Z tym rozkładem napędu to nie tak do końca, 4EAT i 5EAT mogą mieć ten sam VTD.
I think, if car couldn't move forward, you should try reverse gear.
What difference would it do?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Actually, that is the point I’m wondering, what if something changes :)
@@serkan_kucuk Usually it makes things only worse 🙂
co macie zrobione ze słychać tak zawór upustowy w alfie ?
Trzeba pytać właściciela...
Something's wrong with the Outback. With the VTD it should easly pass the 3 roller tests.
Nothing is wrong, Legacy of that era got almost the same result.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Don't think so. The vtd was very good at redistributing the torque
@@Eugen-E VTD is responsible for front/rear torque distribution and there are no problems with that. Left/right is based on VDC.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers VTD is the name of the entire AWD system, not just the center diff.
You have a video with a Forester with VTD and a Grand Vitara. Forester passed both 3 roller tests.
@@Eugen-E There were Subaru cars with VTD but no VDC. And there obviously are cars with VDC but no VTD. Forester with VTD passed the test on 1st gear, which was locking the center diff. I have also video with Legacy with VTD and it behaves just like this Outback with VTD. 1st gear doesn't lock the diff in these models.
Alfa has way better driver
Why?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers seems to better understand the throttle.
Subaru driver goes too small or too big.
At least that's how it looks
@@wiciuwiciu2783 It only looks like that cause VDC takes control over throttle.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers oh, that's why...
So Alfa has way better VCD :)
@@wiciuwiciu2783 Actually Alfa has only ASR. When it's off then brake intervention is still active but throttle cut is not that intrusive.