Chess is used more as a metaphor in this anime than an actual game. If you notice, Lelouch refuses to take a free win and instead moves the king behind a pawn when in danger, revealing a bit about his character.
Smithoid I didn’t hear them telling any rules about the game if it was different then they should have specified who ever made this didn’t know how to play for sure😂
@@sailor7388 that's one way to rationalise it away I guess, but it's clearly a case of the writers not being bothered enough to research the actual game.
@@ashwinramaswamy4059 I mean I'm pretty sure that scheneizel was clearly provoking zero here to take a free win so he can know if he really is prideful or not
+Grimlock His move goes beyond the material chess match, and reveals in the complete chess match of life. He did that ''board-game illegal but fulllife-game legal'' because he wanted to know something more about Zero's personality (Sun Tzu's Art of War explains how much important is knowing your foe before the battle). I think that in this case Shneizel wanted to understand if Zero could accept a given victory, and he couldn't, and this is a sign of pride, an important and useful data about his enemy...
+Simon-peter Williamson actually the game is over after checkmate, unless the king is put in check which is just the king being attacked, checkmate is were the king can move nowhere because there's always a piece attacking it
Lelouch also manifest a pawn that he didn't have on the board previously- sneaking cards up your sleeves is clever, but true masters hide extra chess pieces.
The worst part is that Lelouch could've killed the king with his pawn and said something like "never underestimate the power of your pawns" or something like that
It was an intentional illegal move. Schneizel was testing Zero's character. What Zero does next says a lot about him. He had three choices: 1) Take Schneizel's king and win the game, but also giving in to his intention. Zero has too much pride for this. 2) Back down. This was the option Zero picked but it also suggests hesitation and a lack of willpower to win. 3) Call Schneizel out for the illegal move. Complaining could make Zero seem petty which also hurts his pride. It also carries all the downside of the backing down option.
Revan Sith'ari Zero would be giving into Schneizel's intent by taking his king, weakening the win and hurting his pride. Zero wants to crush his opponents and is insulted by the cheap win.
+Zero Yes, you can either play until you or your opponent can't make a move with the king and lose the game, you can't make stupid mistakes like giving your opponent the king. Another game is to play until the king actually gets taken out (eaten) and this could be done by a stupid mistake.
They mean that no one seems to know the rules of chess in this world. 3:51 is an illegal move, it puts your king in check. But that's not even the half of it. If the goal is to take out your opponent's king, black can just take out the white king with the pawn. So if it's not a 'trap to lure out the king', then Lelouch was already in check and he should have moved unless he already lost. On no level does it make sense to put yourself into a double check even if it was allowed.
*Runs into the room screaming and flailing arms* ILLEGAL MOOOOOOOVVVVVVVEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Throws chess board at wall, scattering pieces at the players.*
***** I highly doubt the creators of this show cared about chess that much. It doesn't seem like it's anything more than to show how intelligent the characters are. I mean, if you present a position with a mate in 3/4 and call it impossible to win, you obviously didn't do any research for you can just take a played game which is known for such a turn of tides. Furthermore, when you're using chess the way they did, so showing the positions so the viewer could analyse it, it's very likely you're going to use the best known chess rules, for those rules are the ones most of your viewers are going to be familiar with.
***** Putting your king in check is illegal because you may as well surrender. There is no point to putting your king in check. Do you know that chess is turn-based? Do you know that you can only make one move per turn? So what happens when you put your king in check? Well, that is the end of your turn. Now your opponent calls checkmate and wins. There is no strategy, there's no counter, you just lose. Are you starting to see the how illogical it is? Are you starting to see how stupid you and this scene are? If Lelouch won, then he gets to remove Suzaku from the room and geass everyone just as he apparently had planned. For some reason, he forgot about his objective. Code Geass has plenty of epic and brilliant scenes. This... this is not one of them.
Yikes. The funniest part is that in the position shown on the board, there are no legal king moves for black, yet it somehow makes a point of having Lelouch start with a king move.
"You know Zero, I used to play chess with my brother, Lelouch." "Really?" "Yes, I'd cheat all the time and he'd think it was a legitimate tactic. It always drove him nuts."
Maybe the other guy used up like 2 min per each move... xD Though I'm sort of wondering if they didn't ask someone for a situation that'd be hard to win, and then just got mixed up with who's in difficulty...
@@tuulikannel there is literally no way for white to escape forced mate if black notices it and plays it immediately, which he apparently did since lelouch moved his king first it's clear he opened the way to line a battery on the H file with the room and queen, this game is a bad example even if they switched colors, it's either impossible or mate in 4
Breaking the rules of chess. This is how I see it. Schneizel wanted to have some fun and learn more about Zero so he place the king into check. If Lelouch decided to take the king right there, Schneizel would think that Zero would take any means necessarily to win even if the match was purposefully thrown to gain an advantage. The fact that Zero took his king back meant that Zero wanted to win fairly and beat him when Schneizel gave it his all. Not some game that Schneizel threw on a whim.
Everyone complains about the Schneizel/Zero, but I think I get it. Schneizel can't abide losing. If he isn't sure he'll win, he won't fight or play. He sees that he isn't going to win, so Schneizel changes the rules--he stops playing a game of chess against Lelouch, and starts playing a game of reputation. The pieces are the audience now, not kings and rooks and bishops. If Lelouch takes Schneizel's king, Schneizel sits back and smirks, because he made Lelouch do what he wanted to do--and he makes sure everyone in the room knows it. If Lelouch retreats, Zero comes off as weaker and indecisive. If Lelouch points out that it's against the rules of chess to move a king into check, Schneizel gives him a condescending smile and wonders aloud at how he was surprised that Zero didn't notice that they had moved past a silly game and into metaphorical warfare--Zero comes off as simple and petty. It's a psychological trap that doesn't have any good openings for Lelouch to escape.
I have a pretty good escape: Zero: *stands up abruptly* "I didn't take the renowned prince of Britannia to be a person unable of following any rules. Perhaps the prince is more interested in playing mind games instead? I will have yet another proper chess match soon... once Prince Schneizel decides to take me more seriously as an opponent." *leaves* By saying Schneizel doesn't follow any rules, one can create ad hominem; forcing the audience to see your opponent the way you want them to see him/her. There are better ways Lelouch could have handled the situation to his advantage.
Khanh Nguyen I think that would’ve been the best option. Lelouch realizes the trap a wee bit too late, but he still has that pawn. If he takes the king with the pawn, Schneizel would have been portrayed as incompetent and careless. Schneizel would have to give Suzaku up and then Schneizel would have no reason to laugh. He just lost a chess match to a mind-numbingly simple move, had to give up the knight of seven to the most dangerous criminal in Britannia’s history, and all for a joke that completely backfired on him.
a name If any thing, he only make lelouch (zero) the most competent leader being able to use his environment and his soilder to the best of his ability.
What's really rather interesting is that in the original dub Lelouch wins in 8 minutes and 40 seconds. Supposing he uses the full 20 seconds for each move Lelouch takes 26 turns to win, the exact number of episodes in R1.
+Edo Nagori Yeah, I would have been like. "Oh, you're just handing me victory like that? Okay. What, you thought I wouldn't take it? Too bad, I win, give me Suzaku."
I feel like that had to be intentional. Some sort of foreshadowing maybe. The two kings duking it out, but in the end, a pawn is able to attain victory.
+Edo Nagori His move goes beyond the material chess match, and reveals in the complete chess match of life. He did that ''board-game illegal but fulllife-game legal'' because he wanted to know something more about Zero's personality (Sun Tzu's Art of War explains how much important is knowing your foe before the battle). I think that in this case Shneizel wanted to understand if Zero could accept a given victory, and he couldn't, and this is a sign of pride, an important and useful data about his enemy...
"You can't win this, it's imposible" 1. Move the King to the right 2. Move the Tower/Rook all the way to the left corner 3. Proceed with the Queen 4. ? 5. Profit I suppose our beloved Lulu overestimated the noble.
+Gods Don't Talk I thought the same, but in this scheme you don't think about what the NOBLE could do... Let's use A for Lelouch and B for the noble: 1A. Move the King to the right. 1B. Let's consider that the noble is not smart enough to suspect something, so he just for example take the pawn near the Tower/Rook. 2A. The Tower/Rook is in danger, and according to the plan, he moves it all the way to the left corner. 2B. Even an IDIOT would see the coming strike to the King from the Queen protected by the Tower/Rook at this point (Noble's thoughts: ''why he moved it all the way to the left corner instead of less? Because it protects the Queen now, and the precedent move of the King is now explained too.'' Also, in a situation like that, the obvious escape is capturing the enemy King so probably the Noble would MADLY watch over his King). So the noble moves his King one square to the left. BUT... the plan would still work :) it's too late, he should have done it before. That's why: Lelouch ignores the enemy's last move and proceeds with the Queen, the noble would just hope to move his King between his pawn and his Queen, but SURPRISE, Lelouch's pawn controls that square. Aaaaaaaaaand the noble is fucked.
It's simple, proceed with Knight first, no matter what, have him move his knight from that position or exchange it with your own, proceed to checkmate with queen protected by your own pawn. Hence mate in 4.
If you carefully analyze the game betwen lelouch and schnizel, you'll notice pieces warping in and out and game rules getting busted. Don't be surprised it's typical Britannian Chess
Actual chess: illegal moves are where your own king could be captured on the opponents next move. Code Geass: fuck it. It's not guaranteed they will notice they can capture your king which would end the game.
I don't get why people question the chess scenes in Code Geass when it could all be easily justified in-universe that the chess they developed had slightly different rules and extra nuances than the chess we grew up playing.
It might be possible to think that, if the rule in question wasn't ridiculous. Moving your king into check, if allowed, would always result in immediate loss.
The chess that nobility play in Code Geass is exactly the same as normal chess, except you have to actually capture the enemy king to win. No checking, just capture the king. Even if it had been an illegal move, you can still move however you want when you're forfeiting. Schneizel would have made an illegal move, and if Lelouch called him out on it then Schneizel would have lost, which is exactly what he was trying to do (and what Lelouch was trying to avoid). So Lelouch would have continued to play regardless.
They do,u know they adapted chess into shogi.Also the game stopped the moment shnizel moved the king near Zero's king.Thats why odisius said shnizel was forfeiting,just like everyone else did.
@@eggboyhero3176 k I guess that settles that, I still prefer the king cant be checked by pawns house rule cause it adds a little more challenge but thanks for informing me.
@meo verneuil No you dumb shit, the objective of chess is to trap the king in an unwinnable scenario. You can't "kill" it. If you put the enemy king in risk, you have to call 'check', and the oponent is forced to take the king out of check. Doing any other move ignoring the check is against the rules, and if he insist in doing so can only be taken as surrendering.
@@pokemasterx4244 True; however, if not so, you would risk betrayal. The king should in fact be an example for his subordinates, courageously participating in battle on the front lines, in order to motivate them to follow him and do their best, even by sacrificing themselves (which is what Julius Caesar believed). As Machiavelli wrote in his "De principatibus", no army is efficient, without loyalty to its leader.
1:27 One thing I don’t think enough people appreciate enough, probably because this is so early in the series that you don’t know the significance of it, is that Lelouch is letting a lot of his true self shine through to Rivalz here, and we can infer that this is normal before the plot starts happening. Lelouch ultimately is just a person, and even he could not close himself entirely. I believe that before he used these games he played with Rivalz as his outlet to be more like his self. It is specifically mentioned that he stopped playing these games after he started acting as Zero, “Playing another type of game.” After he was able to start working to his actual goal, he didn’t need this outlet anymore so he stopped. But he also started to mask his true self a lot more because of the extra secrecy he needed now that he was actually perusing his true goal. But anyway, just the fact that he was voicing his true opinions here shows that he trusted Rivalz, along with the rest of his friends at school, a lot more than shows on the surface
"Oh no! If I move my king then I'll get humiliated that I killed his king!" Pawn: "Am I a joke to you?" Reality: "This dude doesnt know how to play chess wahahaha"
Lol it's best not to analyze these anime chess games too much. It'd be better if you didn't know how to play chess at all and just listened to the dialogue to get a feeling for who's winning and what the storyteller's intentions are. Lol Zero goes from having 3 pieces at 3:20 to 7 pieces at 4:05. (It looks like 6 pieces but there's a pawn hidden behind the king based on 4:08). And most importantly, you can't put your own king in check so white's final move was illegal.
Actually... it's a completely legal move. Just not in the variant we play today. There are dozens of types of chess, with different rules. Every move made is completely legal, and makes sense in the context of the story, assuming it's just a different variant. As for the pieces, that's an animation error, and nothing more.
***** Yeah i believe they played an old variant. Not so popular though and to bad that it isn't like that today. Because in the old variant the queen could move only one space any direction too and it was legal to put your king in check i think.
KiraAMVS Oh definitely. At my chess club, we'll often look up random old variants of chess, and play them instead. In fact, we play bughouse chess almost more than standard ^^;;
I don't think you all really understand that king move. Schniezel wanted to understand the identity of Zero, remember he played Lelouch at chess as a kid - he may have already had suspicions as to whom Zero was. I think it was a test: If Lelouch had captured the king, he would have won but Schniezel could also indicate that it was Lelouch behind the mask (since they used to play as children - I imagine the child version of Lelouch would have made that move). This was more then just a 'chess' game, both of the players had more than just an intention to win - that's also why Lelouch was irritated at the end. He could have won but that means losing his identity (or atleast giving Schniezel a stronger indication as to whom it was - either way Schniezel won this since he still 'learned about Zero' although Lelouch gets him back with his 'checkmate' ;p)
No, it wasn't like that at all, because then Lelouch continued with the game. Nothing about chess in this anime makes sense. There's no reason to argue about it: we all understand the plot, and it doesn't ruin this wonderful anime for any of us. But the creators simply didn't understand chess, and certainly didn't understand chess strategy.
In Chess, the king cannot put himself in a checkmate position, so Prince Schneizel could not have made his last move. He put the white king in a checkmate position to the black king.
How Black win by moving his King. 0:43 1. Black King to B3. ; F3 White pawn eats black pawn to G2 (rushing for promotion) 2. Black Rook from H1 to A1.; White pawn promotes to 2nd White Queen G2 to G1 3. Black Queen from 6A to 8A. Checkmate.
+Clock Work You got the board flipped with your cell numbering. Also it's not mate in 3 but mate in 4 1 ...Kg6 2 Qd1 Rh8 3 Qxf3 exf3 4 g4 (random move) Qh1#
Zero: ''If I win, I'd like to *have* Sir Kururugi'' Me: ''Ohh myyyyyyy...'' Zero: ''I want to give him to you, lady Kaguya.'' Me: ''Oh. -_- Sorry, shippers, false alarm.''
I was probably 12 when i saw this, and even now I'm still wondering who the hell allowed this to happen? Are they seriously telling us that between the Manga Studio, Animation Studio and localisation teams for this anime, NONE of them knew how to play chess?
I'm still wondering how the hell a lot of people like you still exist. This isn't a chess game, it's a mind game and test of ideals and identity, atleast for one of them. It's really not hard to understand.
+realitywarper93 His move goes beyond the material chess match, and reveals in the complete chess match of life. He did that ''board-game illegal but fulllife-game legal'' because he wanted to know something more about Zero's personality (Sun Tzu's Art of War explains how much important is knowing your foe before the battle). I think that in this case Shneizel wanted to understand if Zero could accept a given victory, and he couldn't, and this is a sign of pride, an important and useful data about his enemy...
That would be believable if the rule he bent wasn't so absurd. Even if that illegal move was okay moving your king into check will always result in you losing So it's absurd to do even in Geass universe
actually in the first position moving the king first is indeed the best move,in order to get out of the knights's checks..and as i can see black has a mating net going on..The other positions are not clear
I see many people say Schneizel made an illegal move, only few of them got he actually made a symbolic move, not in chess' world rules but now In first place in life.
Which is still a dumb move. Because you know. That pawn is there. That pawn can be whatever Lelouch bs it to be. His friend, the black knight, his sisters, the Japanese people, etc.
Lelouch's pride is the kind that weight him down. If only he had just took Schneizel's king calmly at without losing his composure, it would have been more deceptive to Schneizel's expectation.
I think that Lelouch had to take extra caution when playing against Schneizel to prevent him from uncovering his true identity since Schneizel is familiar with Lelouch's playing style.
That starting position for the first game was ridiculous, but black actually had the clear advantage and had mate in four moves, meaning it shouldn't have taken even nine minutes, though Black was correct to first move the king, as it would provide the fastest checkmate. For the second game, I don't know what threefold repetition would be. White can take Black's rook by moving to Nd5+, forking the rook and king, making mating fairly easy at that point. The idea of having Zero "reveal" any aspect of himself by making an illegal move, (or a move that would allow Zero to capture the king), is asinine. The show's writing is on par with the writers' understanding of chess. Anybody who insists on reading something particularly deep in the absurdity of putting the king in check should keep in mind how ignorant the writers were of chess rules. Constructing a situation where one side either faces inevitable checkmate or forcing a draw isn't that difficult, (a Grandmaster could have provided such a scenario in minutes), but it shows how much contempt the writers had for consistency. Furthermore, there's a lack of continuity between scenes, with at 3:21, there being no pawn on Black's right side, and then there suddenly being one at 3:32, and the rook has suddenly disappeared at 3:36. And then, there's immediately in the next move, there's a pawn to the right of the king at 3:51 which appeared out of nowhere. Basically, the combination of the absurd chess moves, the illogical motives, and the lack of continuity between succeeding scenes can be summed up as the writers not caring making little attempt to hide it.
***** Yes you're right, I mistook the pawn for a bishop. However, because we are watching from black's point of view, the square we're talking about would be a1.
computo2000 I don't think that's correct. You determine the unique coordinate pair that identifies each square by looking from White's point of view. "The vertical columns of squares (called files) from White's left (the queenside) to his or her right (the kingside) are labeled a through h. The horizontal rows of squares (called ranks) are numbered 1 to 8 starting from White's side of the board. Thus each square has a unique identification of file letter followed by rank number. (For example, White's king starts the game on square e1; Black's knight on b8 can move to open squares a6 or c6.)"
Old thread is old but you have to remember: Chess is sued in this anime. This is not a chess anime. There is a difference. There is something deep here and it's nice to see when you're not bogged down by details (like that extra pawn coming out of nowhere)
That moment when I see my past comments. And that Pawn is still there. waiting... ever lingering... Waiting for the time to strike... *Nope, I'm just going to move my king back in fear, it's not like I'm the most Feared and Respected Terrorist in the fucking world or anything. Leave me alone, I'm a fucking Teenager.* XDD
Playing with the king on the second move is actually theory, many grandmasters like Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru Nakamura play it. It's actually called the 'Bongcloud'.
I feel like all the dead grandmasters are rolling in their graves. Even I'm going crazy over that stupid move, whether illegal or for the plot. Keep the game of chess how it is so people don't misinterpret how things work in it
To the people saying it's just a different game rules, why? why not just use the rules everyone uses? it is very likely, but it's stupid for them to do that. I do't really care about it, there was so much wrong with all the chess(pieces appearing, 1st game lelouch had easy win). It's more metaphorical and for effect, so whatever, still's a good show. on another note lelouch should have taken it. I get the pride thing, and not taking the hand off, but he would have geassed everyone had he won. fucking worth it.
GM Zephyr you don’t get to choose your in normal chess. also any army can beaten if with an army designed specific to beat it so there are no objectively good armies also I think I played you once before
"My brother's the only person I could never beat...because he doesn't know how to fucking play Chess."
great comment lol
but lelouch can summon pawns from nowhere 3:48
when i watched this years ago i don't think i noticed that watching this tonight the second i saw that i had to check the comments.
Chess is used more as a metaphor in this anime than an actual game. If you notice, Lelouch refuses to take a free win and instead moves the king behind a pawn when in danger, revealing a bit about his character.
sooooooo true
When your daddy is the emperor, you can play chess however the hell you want.
In their reality the war scene is dominated by mechs with wheels, It’s perfectly reasonable to assume that chess is played differently than In our own
Smithoid I didn’t hear them telling any rules about the game if it was different then they should have specified who ever made this didn’t know how to play for sure😂
@@sailor7388 that's one way to rationalise it away I guess, but it's clearly a case of the writers not being bothered enough to research the actual game.
Vidit Gujrathi would like a word with you.
@@ashwinramaswamy4059 I mean I'm pretty sure that scheneizel was clearly provoking zero here to take a free win so he can know if he really is prideful or not
They are so dramatic that I expect one of them to summon Exodia
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!! NOBODY'S EVERBEEN ABLE TO SUMMON HIM!
WITH THE POWER OF GEASS IT IS POSSIBLE! NOW EXODIA! ZERO COMMANDS YOU TO ATTACK THE KING! OBLIBERATE!
@@stalker-je2on Is that because it's so rare?
God fucking dammit I just read this and lost my shit
@@TheEnderLeader1 no it's because this is chess and not card game.😒
Lelouch: "My brother always was a master at this game"
Schneizel: "HERP-A-DERP, CHEKM8"
ROFL!
I laughed more than I should.
hahahahaha "Master" makes illegal moves. Ridiculous!.
King to g-potato
LMAOOO
In Code Geass chess you can place yourself in checkmate. Okay then.
+Grimlock His move goes beyond the material chess match, and reveals in the complete chess match of life. He did that ''board-game illegal but fulllife-game legal'' because he wanted to know something more about Zero's personality (Sun Tzu's Art of War explains how much important is knowing your foe before the battle). I think that in this case Shneizel wanted to understand if Zero could accept a given victory, and he couldn't, and this is a sign of pride, an important and useful data about his enemy...
Maximo Princeps I know that.... it was a joke.
not to mention the game can continue after checkmate
+Simon-peter Williamson actually the game is over after checkmate, unless the king is put in check which is just the king being attacked, checkmate is were the king can move nowhere because there's always a piece attacking it
I make the rules
Schneizel:- "Checkmate..."
Lelouch:- "But my king is safe."
Schneizel:- "...for me."
THANK YOU!
Schneizel be like: you can't checkmate me if I checkmate myself first😆😆
Call an ambulance! Call an ambulance! But not for you…
@@edwardwelsh3202😂
"Now who's the real fool? The one who checkmates or the one trying to checkmate someone checkmating himself?!"
Paralleling how Schneizel's "willingness to let himself be killed" resulted in his downfall in the final battle.
Also how lelouch backed off, Didn't kill him. Instead made him his own
Well at least someone here understands what the video is conveying instead of calling it an illegal move
Demonic Soul dude it came out like 4 years ago
Demonic Soul I was wrong it was 7 years
Demonic Soul besides the comment could barely be qualified as a hint
"if the king doesn't lead how can he expect his subordinates to follow" -king lelouch
Umm excuse me, that's " *Emperor* Lelouch Vi Britannia ". XD
UpturnTheUncool Emperor*
Alan Hajo Thanks, corrected ^_^
No problem :D
I Am so famous.
Lelouch: "My brother was and still is a master of this game."
Schneizel: Plays an illegal move
Chess Buffs: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Lelouch also manifest a pawn that he didn't have on the board previously- sneaking cards up your sleeves is clever, but true masters hide extra chess pieces.
Honestly I am kinda pissed that he would give in like that just to test his character but I haven’t watched Code Geass so I won’t say anything
The worst part is that Lelouch could've killed the king with his pawn and said something like "never underestimate the power of your pawns" or something like that
@@silentoccasion4359 nah fuck that, JUST TAKE THE DAMNED KING, ANY FUCKER WOULD TAKE THE KING
Kings have to stand one square away from each other.
Schneizel did an illegal move putting his king right infront of Zero's.
It was an intentional illegal move. Schneizel was testing Zero's character. What Zero does next says a lot about him. He had three choices:
1) Take Schneizel's king and win the game, but also giving in to his intention. Zero has too much pride for this.
2) Back down. This was the option Zero picked but it also suggests hesitation and a lack of willpower to win.
3) Call Schneizel out for the illegal move. Complaining could make Zero seem petty which also hurts his pride. It also carries all the downside of the backing down option.
what if zero moved the pawn to capture the king. what would it say about him then
if you look carefully that pawn appeared out of nowhere
Revan Sith'ari Zero would be giving into Schneizel's intent by taking his king, weakening the win and hurting his pride. Zero wants to crush his opponents and is insulted by the cheap win.
+Zero
Yes, you can either play until you or your opponent can't make a move with the king and lose the game, you can't make stupid mistakes like giving your opponent the king.
Another game is to play until the king actually gets taken out (eaten) and this could be done by a stupid mistake.
Let's hope they learned how to play by season 3
Noobface what do you mean?
Because starting with the king? Lol.
let's hope that they learned how to play chess by season 3 because The King(Lelouch) is returning.That's what he's saying.
They mean that no one seems to know the rules of chess in this world. 3:51 is an illegal move, it puts your king in check. But that's not even the half of it. If the goal is to take out your opponent's king, black can just take out the white king with the pawn. So if it's not a 'trap to lure out the king', then Lelouch was already in check and he should have moved unless he already lost.
On no level does it make sense to put yourself into a double check even if it was allowed.
I'm guessing that chess evolved into an entirely different game than in this timeline's chess, as Geass is alternate history.
*Runs into the room screaming and flailing arms*
ILLEGAL MOOOOOOOVVVVVVVEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Throws chess board at wall, scattering pieces at the players.*
Actually, it's a completely legal move.
Just not in the variant we play today.
There are dozens of types of chess, with different rules.
***** I highly doubt the creators of this show cared about chess that much. It doesn't seem like it's anything more than to show how intelligent the characters are. I mean, if you present a position with a mate in 3/4 and call it impossible to win, you obviously didn't do any research for you can just take a played game which is known for such a turn of tides. Furthermore, when you're using chess the way they did, so showing the positions so the viewer could analyse it, it's very likely you're going to use the best known chess rules, for those rules are the ones most of your viewers are going to be familiar with.
***** Now go post this to every comment in this theat. Oh wait...
Goat Kiddie funniest comment i've read!
***** Putting your king in check is illegal because you may as well surrender. There is no point to putting your king in check. Do you know that chess is turn-based? Do you know that you can only make one move per turn? So what happens when you put your king in check? Well, that is the end of your turn. Now your opponent calls checkmate and wins. There is no strategy, there's no counter, you just lose. Are you starting to see the how illogical it is?
Are you starting to see how stupid you and this scene are? If Lelouch won, then he gets to remove Suzaku from the room and geass everyone just as he apparently had planned. For some reason, he forgot about his objective.
Code Geass has plenty of epic and brilliant scenes. This... this is not one of them.
Zero: If I win, I want Kururugi
The Britannia Army: Zero seems really have a thing for this guy...
Top ship
Tbf, Suzaku's one of their best pilots, and has given Zero a ton of trouble in his past operations.
*white has 3 times the pieces
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"theyre evenly matched!"
...
*chess king sacrifice*
*pawn appears next to it
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"checkmate"
*black king moves away*
this is how chess was meant to be played
@@antoniogaravo9289
Indeed.
@@antoniogaravo9289 🤣🤣🤣
Still got nothing on Eraqus though.
Code Geass is actually way more stupid than people realize it is, not only in chess but in other matters.
I learnt chess after being motivated by this anime. Now I knew that they don't even knew what chess is. My whole life was a lie😭😭😭
Oof, that hurts
Sorry , but this is funny 🤣🤣
Reality can sometimes hurt...
Yikes. The funniest part is that in the position shown on the board, there are no legal king moves for black, yet it somehow makes a point of having Lelouch start with a king move.
Exactly!
3:07 ahh yes, the ferocious *Bong Cloud* of Nakamura
King e2
E5 Ke2 the legendary bongcloud
Nakamura vs Carlsen bong cloud
"You know Zero, I used to play chess with my brother, Lelouch."
"Really?"
"Yes, I'd cheat all the time and he'd think it was a legitimate tactic. It always drove him nuts."
Underrated comment why not more likes this is maybe even the best comments cus it p much calls out the important points about this
8 minutes 32 seconds...
In a position where Black checkmates in four moves.
._.
Misael 8 minutes 32 seconds remaining also they weren’t hurrying and rivel said it was a new record
Maybe the other guy used up like 2 min per each move... xD
Though I'm sort of wondering if they didn't ask someone for a situation that'd be hard to win, and then just got mixed up with who's in difficulty...
@@tuulikannel there is literally no way for white to escape forced mate if black notices it and plays it immediately, which he apparently did since lelouch moved his king first it's clear he opened the way to line a battery on the H file with the room and queen, this game is a bad example even if they switched colors, it's either impossible or mate in 4
Breaking the rules of chess. This is how I see it. Schneizel wanted to have some fun and learn more about Zero so he place the king into check. If Lelouch decided to take the king right there, Schneizel would think that Zero would take any means necessarily to win even if the match was purposefully thrown to gain an advantage. The fact that Zero took his king back meant that Zero wanted to win fairly and beat him when Schneizel gave it his all. Not some game that Schneizel threw on a whim.
at least somebody understood
very good
then again, because he hesitated, the white king is now free to take out another pawn.
Except he isn't breaking any rules.
+Centrist 922 You can't put your own king into check. Which is exactly what he did...
@@NighhtyNighht But then he'd put his king into check before, and if he did it again, Lelouch would win. He wouldn't draw back like the first time.
Everyone complains about the Schneizel/Zero, but I think I get it.
Schneizel can't abide losing. If he isn't sure he'll win, he won't fight or play. He sees that he isn't going to win, so Schneizel changes the rules--he stops playing a game of chess against Lelouch, and starts playing a game of reputation. The pieces are the audience now, not kings and rooks and bishops.
If Lelouch takes Schneizel's king, Schneizel sits back and smirks, because he made Lelouch do what he wanted to do--and he makes sure everyone in the room knows it. If Lelouch retreats, Zero comes off as weaker and indecisive. If Lelouch points out that it's against the rules of chess to move a king into check, Schneizel gives him a condescending smile and wonders aloud at how he was surprised that Zero didn't notice that they had moved past a silly game and into metaphorical warfare--Zero comes off as simple and petty.
It's a psychological trap that doesn't have any good openings for Lelouch to escape.
I have a pretty good escape:
Zero: *stands up abruptly* "I didn't take the renowned prince of Britannia to be a person unable of following any rules. Perhaps the prince is more interested in playing mind games instead? I will have yet another proper chess match soon... once Prince Schneizel decides to take me more seriously as an opponent." *leaves*
By saying Schneizel doesn't follow any rules, one can create ad hominem; forcing the audience to see your opponent the way you want them to see him/her. There are better ways Lelouch could have handled the situation to his advantage.
What about that pawn next to the king? What happen if he does that?
Khanh Nguyen I think that would’ve been the best option. Lelouch realizes the trap a wee bit too late, but he still has that pawn. If he takes the king with the pawn, Schneizel would have been portrayed as incompetent and careless. Schneizel would have to give Suzaku up and then Schneizel would have no reason to laugh. He just lost a chess match to a mind-numbingly simple move, had to give up the knight of seven to the most dangerous criminal in Britannia’s history, and all for a joke that completely backfired on him.
a name If any thing, he only make lelouch (zero) the most competent leader being able to use his environment and his soilder to the best of his ability.
Well, as for me i would get scheizels's king, get suzaku and use geass on everybody as lelouch planned before....
What's really rather interesting is that in the original dub Lelouch wins in 8 minutes and 40 seconds. Supposing he uses the full 20 seconds for each move Lelouch takes 26 turns to win, the exact number of episodes in R1.
I don't think it's 100% clear whether that 8 minutes and 40 seconds counts only LeLouch's turns or includes both.
I thought there were 25 episodes tho xD
He meant 8:32 remaining he only needed 3 moves to win
@@PsycoticGameAholics There are two half episodes, 8.5 and 17.5
The entire rest of the mach was 8 minutes 40 seconds, including the nobles moves. Which means it took him 13 turns to win.
You know, Zero STILL could have taken the king, rules aside. I mean he STILL Had his pawn that could take the king out.
+Edo Nagori Yeah, I would have been like. "Oh, you're just handing me victory like that? Okay. What, you thought I wouldn't take it? Too bad, I win, give me Suzaku."
I feel like that had to be intentional. Some sort of foreshadowing maybe. The two kings duking it out, but in the end, a pawn is able to attain victory.
+Edo Nagori His move goes beyond the material chess match, and reveals in the complete chess match of life. He did that ''board-game illegal but fulllife-game legal'' because he wanted to know something more about Zero's personality (Sun Tzu's Art of War explains how much important is knowing your foe before the battle). I think that in this case Shneizel wanted to understand if Zero could accept a given victory, and he couldn't, and this is a sign of pride, an important and useful data about his enemy...
(Schneizel will sacrifice the white king him self to capture the black king (zero
You cant "take" a king you have to checkmate, as someone who played chess quite a bit that scene was painful to watch.
"You can't win this, it's imposible"
1. Move the King to the right
2. Move the Tower/Rook all the way to the left corner
3. Proceed with the Queen
4. ?
5. Profit
I suppose our beloved Lulu overestimated the noble.
+Gods Don't Talk I thought the same, but in this scheme you don't think about what the NOBLE could do... Let's use A for Lelouch and B for the noble:
1A. Move the King to the right.
1B. Let's consider that the noble is not smart enough to suspect something, so he just for example take the pawn near the Tower/Rook.
2A. The Tower/Rook is in danger, and according to the plan, he moves it all the way to the left corner.
2B. Even an IDIOT would see the coming strike to the King from the Queen protected by the Tower/Rook at this point (Noble's thoughts: ''why he moved it all the way to the left corner instead of less? Because it protects the Queen now, and the precedent move of the King is now explained too.'' Also, in a situation like that, the obvious escape is capturing the enemy King so probably the Noble would MADLY watch over his King).
So the noble moves his King one square to the left. BUT... the plan would still work :) it's too late, he should have done it before.
That's why: Lelouch ignores the enemy's last move and proceeds with the Queen, the noble would just hope to move his King between his pawn and his Queen, but SURPRISE, Lelouch's pawn controls that square. Aaaaaaaaaand the noble is fucked.
In that situation the king is not leading the troops.
@@massimo3637 It is a "mate in 4", even if the noble plays the best moves
@@jonnyhirse5949 noble....hmmm it appears you have been shot
lelouch.what?? *gets shot*
noble .checkmate *walks off like a boss*
It's simple, proceed with Knight first, no matter what, have him move his knight from that position or exchange it with your own, proceed to checkmate with queen protected by your own pawn.
Hence mate in 4.
Lelouch: "My brother has always been a master of this game!"
Brother: *Calmly sacrifices his king*
2:48 Everybody talks about the King's move from Schneizel, but no one talk about how lelouch moved a pawn to the first line of the table
I assume that a bishop
isn't that a bishop?
Lelouch: "If the king doesn't lead, how can he expect his subordinates to follow?"
*proceeds to move his king behind a pawn*
SHEEEEEEEEEHHHHH!
If you carefully analyze the game betwen lelouch and schnizel, you'll notice pieces warping in and out and game rules getting busted. Don't be surprised it's typical Britannian Chess
We can assume that rules have changed.
Damn Brittanians and their multi-universe chess.
Because it isn't realtime playback, it's time skipping...
@@terezipyrope8356 Screw the rules I have royalty!
Imagine if Lelouch was just like
"Hahaha what a stupid blunder
The obvious response to this is"
_castles in the middle of the board_
XDDD u got me there
Actual chess: illegal moves are where your own king could be captured on the opponents next move.
Code Geass: fuck it. It's not guaranteed they will notice they can capture your king which would end the game.
Watching this for the first time before I got invested in chess, this was such an intense scene.
Now, I’m just laughing.
The pawn that could take the king: "Yeah, I'll pretend I didn't see that."
Code Geass... where chess rules go to die xD
" If you kill yourself , you cannot be killed . "
Code geass
hm? you start with the king?
EAHAHAHAHHAHAJAJAAHAHAHHA
I don't get why people question the chess scenes in Code Geass when it could all be easily justified in-universe that the chess they developed had slightly different rules and extra nuances than the chess we grew up playing.
It might be possible to think that, if the rule in question wasn't ridiculous. Moving your king into check, if allowed, would always result in immediate loss.
Relianc but I'm pretty sure such a move was allowed in older versions of chess though
The rule is the same... in original sub Schneizel intentionally forfeit his match just to see how Zero would react to his illegal move.
PandaJerk007 *whispers to you (animehh)
Should've just created a new game instead,or just explain the variation they are playing.
0:45, Rivalz, hold my beer
The chess that nobility play in Code Geass is exactly the same as normal chess, except you have to actually capture the enemy king to win. No checking, just capture the king.
Even if it had been an illegal move, you can still move however you want when you're forfeiting. Schneizel would have made an illegal move, and if Lelouch called him out on it then Schneizel would have lost, which is exactly what he was trying to do (and what Lelouch was trying to avoid). So Lelouch would have continued to play regardless.
Question. If that were to be true, why is the term "checkmate" in their vocabulary?
That fits pretty good.
Do the Japanese actually understand how chess works?
I don't think anyone does.
I bet machines understand it more than we do at this point.
They do,u know they adapted chess into shogi.Also the game stopped the moment shnizel moved the king near Zero's king.Thats why odisius said shnizel was forfeiting,just like everyone else did.
HisHolyMajesty they play chess there as well not just shogi
*Elevens
I love the memes about this scene but even then it still shows interesting symbolism between Lelouch and Schneizel.
There was a pawn that could of taken Schniezel's king at 3:52
I'm pretty sure pawns are unable to kill a king. Idk probably wrong but those were the rules I played by with my friends
Yeah I was wondering if I was trippin or not
@@Thelifeofbudder pawns can definetely take out any pieces including the king
@@eggboyhero3176 k I guess that settles that, I still prefer the king cant be checked by pawns house rule cause it adds a little more challenge but thanks for informing me.
@meo verneuil No you dumb shit, the objective of chess is to trap the king in an unwinnable scenario. You can't "kill" it. If you put the enemy king in risk, you have to call 'check', and the oponent is forced to take the king out of check. Doing any other move ignoring the check is against the rules, and if he insist in doing so can only be taken as surrendering.
lelouch really loves to play the bongcloud
"If the king doesn't lead,how can he expect his subordinates to follow?"
Damn
Kinda stupid ngl considering that you would probably die like that, potentially leaving a power vacuum or a bad leader in your place.
@@pokemasterx4244 True; however, if not so, you would risk betrayal. The king should in fact be an example for his subordinates, courageously participating in battle on the front lines, in order to motivate them to follow him and do their best, even by sacrificing themselves (which is what Julius Caesar believed).
As Machiavelli wrote in his "De principatibus", no army is efficient, without loyalty to its leader.
I just wondered. How can you actually start with the king? He's surrounded by other pieces lol.
nope. Not in normal chess. (don't know if you'll see this 6 years after you put this comment lol)
@@jamieh9466 Not only will I reply in 6 years, I'll do it within the hour!! *GASP*
@@DaBase333 Incredible. Absolutely unbelievable. We have found the messiah.
Let's see if you can reply within an hour also
@@cheunology4081 Not while I'm at work :(
1:27
One thing I don’t think enough people appreciate enough, probably because this is so early in the series that you don’t know the significance of it, is that Lelouch is letting a lot of his true self shine through to Rivalz here, and we can infer that this is normal before the plot starts happening. Lelouch ultimately is just a person, and even he could not close himself entirely. I believe that before he used these games he played with Rivalz as his outlet to be more like his self. It is specifically mentioned that he stopped playing these games after he started acting as Zero, “Playing another type of game.” After he was able to start working to his actual goal, he didn’t need this outlet anymore so he stopped. But he also started to mask his true self a lot more because of the extra secrecy he needed now that he was actually perusing his true goal. But anyway, just the fact that he was voicing his true opinions here shows that he trusted Rivalz, along with the rest of his friends at school, a lot more than shows on the surface
its something you only really notice on the rewatch and i absolutely agree
@@leobastian_ Thank you
I like how the noble was that confident he would win while he’s nearly checkmated
always nice seeing the bongcloud opening in action.
3:17 was just Hikaru and Magnus trolling on an official match
"Oh no! If I move my king then I'll get humiliated that I killed his king!"
Pawn: "Am I a joke to you?"
Reality: "This dude doesnt know how to play chess wahahaha"
Another underrated comment that p much sums up every logical flaws in this scene
Lol it's best not to analyze these anime chess games too much. It'd be better if you didn't know how to play chess at all and just listened to the dialogue to get a feeling for who's winning and what the storyteller's intentions are. Lol Zero goes from having 3 pieces at 3:20 to 7 pieces at 4:05. (It looks like 6 pieces but there's a pawn hidden behind the king based on 4:08). And most importantly, you can't put your own king in check so white's final move was illegal.
Actually... it's a completely legal move.
Just not in the variant we play today.
There are dozens of types of chess, with different rules.
Every move made is completely legal, and makes sense in the context of the story, assuming it's just a different variant.
As for the pieces, that's an animation error, and nothing more.
***** Yeah i believe they played an old variant. Not so popular though and to bad that it isn't like that today. Because in the old variant the queen could move only one space any direction too and it was legal to put your king in check i think.
KiraAMVS
Yep. That's right.
In fact, I said almost exactly that in another comment ^^;;
It's good that some people still know how chess was in the old days.
KiraAMVS
Oh definitely.
At my chess club, we'll often look up random old variants of chess, and play them instead.
In fact, we play bughouse chess almost more than standard ^^;;
I don't think you all really understand that king move.
Schniezel wanted to understand the identity of Zero, remember he played Lelouch at chess as a kid - he may have already had suspicions as to whom Zero was. I think it was a test: If Lelouch had captured the king, he would have won but Schniezel could also indicate that it was Lelouch behind the mask (since they used to play as children - I imagine the child version of Lelouch would have made that move).
This was more then just a 'chess' game, both of the players had more than just an intention to win - that's also why Lelouch was irritated at the end. He could have won but that means losing his identity (or atleast giving Schniezel a stronger indication as to whom it was - either way Schniezel won this since he still 'learned about Zero' although Lelouch gets him back with his 'checkmate' ;p)
You cannot legally ever capture a king or have your king captured in chess.
No, it wasn't like that at all, because then Lelouch continued with the game. Nothing about chess in this anime makes sense. There's no reason to argue about it: we all understand the plot, and it doesn't ruin this wonderful anime for any of us. But the creators simply didn't understand chess, and certainly didn't understand chess strategy.
I don't see how that would have confirmed his identity. ANYONE would have taken out the white king, not just Lelouch!
Evil Ryu i wouldn't take out the white king
Lyn Shadowfall even with this, the pawn was right next to the king, of which he could have used the pawn and captured the king
At a panel Johnny Yong Bosch was asked to voice a fight between Izaya and Lelouch, and it was over chess.
is there any video of that????
In Chess, the king cannot put himself in a checkmate position, so Prince Schneizel could not have made his last move. He put the white king in a checkmate position to the black king.
If Nina didn’t get it the way. Lelouch could have Geass everyone in the room, Suzaku and Anya wouldn’t be able to do much with Schnietzel on his side.
Absolute madlads playing double bongcloud
How Black win by moving his King. 0:43
1. Black King to B3. ; F3 White pawn eats black pawn to G2 (rushing for promotion)
2. Black Rook from H1 to A1.; White pawn promotes to 2nd White Queen G2 to G1
3. Black Queen from 6A to 8A. Checkmate.
+Clock Work You got the board flipped with your cell numbering. Also it's not mate in 3 but mate in 4
1 ...Kg6
2 Qd1 Rh8
3 Qxf3 exf3
4 g4 (random move) Qh1#
+Clock Work Thank you very much for you comment :P
0:07 Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Ah, what am I saying? Of course you don't.
Same voice actor 😂
"You start with the King?" Lelouch bongcloud before it was cool
3:22
Kaguya: they’re evenly matched
Lelouch: down 7 points of material
And if you see carefully, in 3:32 Lelouch just walk into a fork!
This is the only anime that has done chess justice and for that I love this anime.
I love code geass but 😭 It literally doesn't
"Screw the rules, my daddy is the emperor!"
Remember that it's a different timeline from ours. Maybe in their chess they have to kill the king not just checkmate it.
Zero: ''If I win, I'd like to *have* Sir Kururugi''
Me: ''Ohh myyyyyyy...''
Zero: ''I want to give him to you, lady Kaguya.''
Me: ''Oh. -_- Sorry, shippers, false alarm.''
Lelouch the real inventor of Bongcloud opening
YOU CANNOT MOVE INTO CHECK SCHNIEZEL. GET IT TOGETHER.
I was probably 12 when i saw this, and even now I'm still wondering who the hell allowed this to happen?
Are they seriously telling us that between the Manga Studio, Animation Studio and localisation teams for this anime, NONE of them knew how to play chess?
I'm still wondering how the hell a lot of people like you still exist. This isn't a chess game, it's a mind game and test of ideals and identity, atleast for one of them. It's really not hard to understand.
I see a lot of people saying Schneizel made an illegal move. But maybe the rules of chess are different in the _Code Geass_ universe.
If you have akito the exiled they reference there
+realitywarper93 Perhaps thats's why Lelouch uses the king in every match for shits and gigles, cuz it's a trap. XD
+realitywarper93 His move goes beyond the material chess match, and reveals in the complete chess match of life. He did that ''board-game illegal but fulllife-game legal'' because he wanted to know something more about Zero's personality (Sun Tzu's Art of War explains how much important is knowing your foe before the battle). I think that in this case Shneizel wanted to understand if Zero could accept a given victory, and he couldn't, and this is a sign of pride, an important and useful data about his enemy...
Still, Lelouch could have easily captured Schneizel's king with a pawn, thus winning the match.
That would be believable if the rule he bent wasn't so absurd. Even if that illegal move was okay moving your king into check will always result in you losing
So it's absurd to do even in Geass universe
1:08 Ah yes, 1. Ke2 , my favourite opening
3:46 He thought he looked so cool doing that move...😂😂😂
King’s Gambit Declined Zero Variation
actually in the first position moving the king first is indeed the best move,in order to get out of the knights's checks..and as i can see black has a mating net going on..The other positions are not clear
“Schnizel.. you can’t put your king into check”
“Shut up LELOUCH”
“WHAT DO YOU MEAN”
Imagine agadmator analysing this game 😂😂. Captures Captures and and you are a king up 😂
0:43 "you can't win in this position it's impossible!"
Black has an unavoidable mate in 3. Which ironically starts with moving the king first.
*"I never knew someone was this good at playing chess"*
Schneizel: You would do well not to underestimate the White King. Checkmate!
Everyone: Aw geeze he's forfeiting?
Schneizel: _ohshit!_
The writer Idea of a good player is using the king, hilarious
I see many people say Schneizel made an illegal move, only few of them got he actually made a symbolic move, not in chess' world rules but now In first place in life.
Which is still a dumb move. Because you know. That pawn is there. That pawn can be whatever Lelouch bs it to be. His friend, the black knight, his sisters, the Japanese people, etc.
Lelouch's pride is the kind that weight him down. If only he had just took Schneizel's king calmly at without losing his composure, it would have been more deceptive to Schneizel's expectation.
I think that Lelouch had to take extra caution when playing against Schneizel to prevent him from uncovering his true identity since Schneizel is familiar with Lelouch's playing style.
I don’t understand why not take with that piece that’s either a pawn or bishop rather than the king.
That starting position for the first game was ridiculous, but black actually had the clear advantage and had mate in four moves, meaning it shouldn't have taken even nine minutes, though Black was correct to first move the king, as it would provide the fastest checkmate.
For the second game, I don't know what threefold repetition would be. White can take Black's rook by moving to Nd5+, forking the rook and king, making mating fairly easy at that point.
The idea of having Zero "reveal" any aspect of himself by making an illegal move, (or a move that would allow Zero to capture the king), is asinine. The show's writing is on par with the writers' understanding of chess. Anybody who insists on reading something particularly deep in the absurdity of putting the king in check should keep in mind how ignorant the writers were of chess rules. Constructing a situation where one side either faces inevitable checkmate or forcing a draw isn't that difficult, (a Grandmaster could have provided such a scenario in minutes), but it shows how much contempt the writers had for consistency.
Furthermore, there's a lack of continuity between scenes, with at 3:21, there being no pawn on Black's right side, and then there suddenly being one at 3:32, and the rook has suddenly disappeared at 3:36. And then, there's immediately in the next move, there's a pawn to the right of the king at 3:51 which appeared out of nowhere. Basically, the combination of the absurd chess moves, the illogical motives, and the lack of continuity between succeeding scenes can be summed up as the writers not caring making little attempt to hide it.
On 0:43, isn't ...Qa1 an instant checkmate anyway?
computo2000 I assume you mean Qa8, and no, white moves Kxa8.
***** Yes you're right, I mistook the pawn for a bishop. However, because we are watching from black's point of view, the square we're talking about would be a1.
computo2000 I don't think that's correct. You determine the unique coordinate pair that identifies each square by looking from White's point of view.
"The vertical columns of squares (called files) from White's left (the queenside) to his or her right (the kingside) are labeled a through h. The horizontal rows of squares (called ranks) are numbered 1 to 8 starting from White's side of the board. Thus each square has a unique identification of file letter followed by rank number. (For example, White's king starts the game on square e1; Black's knight on b8 can move to open squares a6 or c6.)"
Old thread is old but you have to remember: Chess is sued in this anime. This is not a chess anime. There is a difference. There is something deep here and it's nice to see when you're not bogged down by details (like that extra pawn coming out of nowhere)
This makes zero sense until you realize that placing your own king in danger is allowed in shogi
hey guess what! FUCKING USE THE PAWN! THAT DAMN PAWN COULD HAVE WON THE FUCKING GAME AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! 4:07
That moment when I see my past comments. And that Pawn is still there.
waiting...
ever lingering...
Waiting for the time to strike...
*Nope, I'm just going to move my king back in fear, it's not like I'm the most Feared and Respected Terrorist in the fucking world or anything. Leave me alone, I'm a fucking Teenager.* XDD
i was fukn pissed when i saw that too
If the king doesn't die how can he expect his subordinates to die for him?
I think everyone knows it’s an illegal move, Schiezel is basically announcing he’s forfeiting, albeit in a clever way to bait Lelouch.
I imagine Lelouch was never able to beat Schneizel in chess because he kept on pulling rules out of his ass...
Playing with the king on the second move is actually theory, many grandmasters like Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru Nakamura play it. It's actually called the 'Bongcloud'.
Actually lelouch not play bongcloud i think he play sicilian and then move a king in the endgame that is pretty good strategy
"And with only 5 seconds left....Schneizel played an incredible move"
"He sacrifices....THE KING!!!!"
I feel like all the dead grandmasters are rolling in their graves. Even I'm going crazy over that stupid move, whether illegal or for the plot. Keep the game of chess how it is so people don't misinterpret how things work in it
Sometimes unexpected moves are what you need to throw someone away. Chess is as much as a psychological game as it is a strategic one
" Illegal move, try again "
At least this is something chess apps do right.
Lmao i plugged in the board position into a chess engine and he had guaranteed win in 4 moves. "9 minutes" "its impossible"
I wish Lelouch actually said that Schneizel is disqualified for breaking the rules of chess therefore the victory goes to Zero.
3:50 Lelouch (takes with the pawn) : many kings have fallen under the will of their people!
Lelouch: or in your case, my people. **smug about it** Now about that deal.
The pawn is literally next to the fucking king.
To the people saying it's just a different game rules, why? why not just use the rules everyone uses? it is very likely, but it's stupid for them to do that. I do't really care about it, there was so much wrong with all the chess(pieces appearing, 1st game lelouch had easy win). It's more metaphorical and for effect, so whatever, still's a good show.
on another note lelouch should have taken it. I get the pride thing, and not taking the hand off, but he would have geassed everyone had he won. fucking worth it.
Because the chess theme wouldn't work if they used Crazy Queen. So they made it the more traditional version.
“Wait this isn’t Chinese checkers this isn’t even normal checkers”
Ah... That second chess game never gets old 😂 especially the part where the three talked about capturing the king 😂
That was like the immortal game between GM vidit and GM hikaru
In Chess Evolved this is all legal, but those armies are pretty flimsy I would not recommend using them.
GM Zephyr you don’t get to choose your in normal chess. also any army can beaten if with an army designed specific to beat it so there are no objectively good armies also I think I played you once before
I love how they had to narrate that had LL moved his King forward, he'd have won. I know this narrating thing is a tradition in animes, but come on.
And now I sacrifice my pawn to summon "Ultimate Elemental Hero Ultimately Shining Queen's Pawn" Now! I am the Chess Prince!