Piper Cherokee 180 - Cost to Own
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- What does it actually cost to purchase and own a Piper Cherokee 180. In this short video we break down the costs and let you know exactly what your get for your money. And how much of your money it will take.
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Costs of airplane ownership vary widely from owner to owner. This video takes an average of the various expenses from existing owners and boils them down to simple to digest numbers. Your ownership experiences will be unique.
I've got a 180 and love it. Easy to fly, cheap to insure and a clean example gets plenty of ramp attention. No body hates a Cherokee!
Hi, what's it like to live out my dream?
Years ago when first starting my ppl I logged quite a few hours in a 180. Dream of a plane to fly.
Just curious, how does the cost of a used one today compair to historical? Something along the lines of a 180/181 averages 75 to 100k on trade a plane. Just wondering what prices might look like if things come back down in a few years.
@@iowafarmboy - TBH, bought mine a few years ago before the prices really spiked. Not sure I would pay today's prices as some deals might come around if the economy flips. Their prices are more like real estate than cars however since they don't make a lot of new airplanes and those they do make are very expensive. Given that, not sure if the prices will drop or not but I would expect at least for a little while, you'll find some deals as people look to offload extras.
currently training in a 1954 cherokee it is fun to fly have a blast everytime i get in it
Covered the title information like the morning dew in 2.5 minutes flat with zero rambling!!!
Very well done Sir, thank you!!
That's fantastic :) Thanks for watching
I owned one for several years. Took the family from Colorado to Oshkosh several times. Filled the seats and hauled camping gear for the week. Didn’t break any speed records but it was definitely a great and reasonably affordable plane. Best flying years of my life.
Thanks for sharing. Sounds awesome.
I owned a ‘65 cherokee 180 for 15 years. Just sold it last year. Insurance was less than $800 a year, and ran about $2500 per annual. In 15 years I replaced the starter twice, alternator once, battery two or three times. A few ELT batteries, and IFR Certs, and one overhaul of an HSI, and a voluntary but not required transponder update. Sold it for $25K less than I paid for it, so that’s reasonable depreciation in my opinion.
I bought one in June (73 "Challenger") and am learning to fly in it. Gas has certainly gone up. Hangar fees increasing by $7.50 next month. Market for the plane has increased significantly if I change my mind and need to sell I'll be in the black.
No scheduling with other people, no wondering what someone else did or didn't do to/with/in the plane: priceless.
Learning all the ins & outs of ownership (stuff like preheating, washing, maintenance) along with learning to fly...a welcome Challenger.
Sounds great. Thanks for sharing and good luck with the plane
I am 1/3 owner of a 1967 Cherokee 180. Your numbers are pretty accurate. It’s a great little airplane. Full fuel, it still has 700lbs useful load. 10 gallons per hour, 120 knots, a 300 nm trip is about 2 hours. Splitting costs (fixed) three ways is awesome. I figure $80 per hour, fuel plus engine reserve. My mind would love a 160 knot airplane. My wallet tells me we are good with the 180. We could easily spend $50k on avionics upgrades, but my iPad takes
me easily into the glass cockpit world.
Hello!
How does one go to partnering with other people to buy a plane? I've read that sometimes an LLC is created.
@@TrollerzTV Hi Edgard. I have heard about LLC partnerships also. Mine is not that complicated or formal. Just three friends that decided to buy an airplane and split the expenses. I highly recommend it. I might own my own airplane someday, but it’s nice splitting the costs. I would look at your local airport for people posting they want a partnership, or you can post your own notice.. Or, join a club that has 10 or so members on one airplane. That’s a good way to go because you can fly something you wouldn’t be able to afford.
@@danasampson818 hello!
When you say "me and my friends decided to buy a plane" you mean like all three names are on the loan/title?
Or is it one person that has their name on all the documentation and y'all just split the costs?
We are all three on the title. There was no common loan. We each came up with the money for purchase.
His numbers are close. We have 320 hours on our 180 in 2 years. Insurance $900, hanger $185/MO. Great "economical" airplane with "low" input/operating cost that allows you to fly the hours it takes to follow the Mooney we all want!
I love this channel already and this is my first video! Straight to the point, no rambling, and easy to understand formats.
We have one and this is spot on..wow!
Insurance $1600
Tie down $70/month
Annual: $1900 (just completed last week)
Great video. With the Overhaul reserves, it is good to remember to add R&R costs which can be about $5-$10k. Great to have a new engine, but it has to be installed.
Your presentation is excellent. Numbers? Pretty good no real complaints. A few things to add but in no way critical of your fine presentation is:
1) You fly little renting is the way to go;
2) there can be unexpected or extraordinary cost like transponder goes TU;
3) Regulations allow pilots to do basic maintenance, oil change, check/clean/replace spark plugs, airlifter, tires, brakes;
4) You bought this plane EX 2011, keep it nice, sell it 2021 you made money selling it lowering total cost of ownership.
5) Partnerships can be the way to go. Sharing cost, the fun of maintaining it with friends, pride of ownership... LOWER cost.
NO WAY THE TAIL NUMBER OF YHE CHEROKEE IN THE VID IS THE ONE I SOLOED IN!!!!!!
Would love to see a follow up with the PA32
Agreed - the Cherokee is the Camry of general aviation.
Good video. Numbers are pretty accurate. I’ve had my Cherokee 180 for 18 months and already flown over 300 hours in it. Luckily I have an A&P which keeps costs much lower and also my best friend is an IA. So just paying on parts. Getting your A&P if owning an aircraft is the best way to reduce those costs. Also an instrument rating will bring that insurance cost down. The aircraft all in all has been an amazing investment. Both me and my friend used it to get our private in. Now working on instrument and commercial. I added 2 aspens, a WAAS GPS and aerocruze 2 axis autopilot. So counts towards my commercial. The aircraft is probably worth double what I paid for it, along with what I would have to paid for renting a plane to get licenses. All in all it is a perfect plane to get your licenses in. Only downside is it’s a little slow. But for building hours not necessarily a bad thing. I don’t think I’ve ever had a day where I felt it was mistaking buying this aircraft.
What’s A&P? Newbie asking here
@@gijskummeling it’s the Airframe and power plant license. It allows you to sign off maintenance tasks on an aircraft.
Hey that's neat, I've flow that one in the thumbnail N6348J, wonderful little motor
Jeez, why havent i seen this absolutely awesome channel before????
It's brand new! Thanks for watching
All these prices have radically inflated this last year.
Would love to have one , Cherokees are awesome little airplanes , learned in the 140 , 48 years ago , just retired out of the Gulfstreams last year. Even found the old PA28 140 I soled in back in 1973 wanted to buy it but now says the N number is unregistered. Ugh.
Nice video sparked the wanting to buy one again
After flying Gulfstreams you are willing to fly low and slow?
@@reyesben yep for sure, after flying all over the world for over 30 years , yeah low and slow will be fun 😀
@@garyderipaska675 I would love to hear your thoughts on how rewarding and or costly your career was. My 17 y.o. son is pursuing commercial aviation and I am at a loss for how to guide him, airline vs. corporate, education vs building time and slowly accomplishing college
@@reyesben Hi Benny, as to the first question about being rewarding compared to being costly. It most definitely is rewarding, in traveling the world , I did see and spend time in places I never ever would have paid a healthy airline ticket to go see. My wife was even able to accompany me on some of those trips back in the late 70’s early 80’s however that’s not the case with many corporate operations these days. I only found those far and few between that allowed wife’s to be on the corporate jet. However there’s always a cost, not monetary but the cost of not being there for your family. I missed my daughters birth because I was in recurrent training , however she was 3 months premature so that was an unforeseen cost so to speak , I’ve missed graduations , countless birthdays , Christmas, Thanksgiving etc. However most of those holidays missed I was either In Caribbean on company credit card , ( word of advice don’t call home with the ocean waves crashing in the background, jusss sayynnn) or at some ski resort skiing. One of many reasons I chose corporate instead of Airlines. Depending on many factors Typically Airline pilots make more than corporate pilots, however when they arrive into a city for an overnight it’s to the hotel for crew rest then out the next day to start the process over again .
Education: There are a number of Aviation colleges out there as in EMBRY RIDDLE UNIVERSITY they will not only teach him how to fly but they have numerous programs that will get him all his licenses and ratings plus come out with a college degree in Professional Aeronautics. I attended EMBRY RIDDLE after a company I went to work for said I needed a college degree to be assigned as Captain on the airplane I was already flying a Gulfstream II , company paid for my degree , lots of online but 4 years later I had a Bachelors of science in Professional Aeronautics.
Building time: Those avenues are a little bit harder these days as compared to when I did it How ever there still out there ie towing banners with small single engine airplanes , Flight Instructing etc , if he can obtain a Flight instructor certificate and teach flying that would probably be the fastest way to build time. Also EMBRY Riddle may have avenues to build time I’m not aware of , I know they do try and help graduate’s find a
@@reyesben sorry , it sent it before I was finished , EMBRY Riddle. , once he graduates with his degree and all his license they’ll help him with job placement , I’m sure there are other universities out there that will do the same .
Can you do one of these videos on the NA Piper Arrow III? Please!!
Hey I’ve flown N6348J haha! Awesome video.
I remember a time when you could have bought one for under twenty thousand if my memory serves me correctly & that was in the 60s !! 🤔
My Mom told me, she used to go pay ten cents to see a movie ;)
@@MrJimgillnm Their sounds to be a little sarcasm to your comment ? 🤔
@@jeffhess7130 yup ;)
@@MrJimgillnmYour a narcissist with a big attitude problem !! 🤔
please consider a vid on a few PA32 variants. Thank you.
These are awesome-Could you make one of this for the Bellanaca Super Vicking?
Great video. I Like the perspectives it gives the newb, uh, I mean perspective pilot. Cheers!
Great aircraft the Cherokee PA180. Good aircraft for spin training and flight tests for CPL. The aero plane is a good work horse with minimum maintenance.
You should do a dc-3
an ex-friend, who is so because of the way he flew his Archer, once asked, "are we keep up with the cars?" Along the I-10 westbound, some cars we did not keep up with. Me thinks the Dakota is the ultimate simple Cherokee.
Me thinks you should stick to driving cars
I wondered if 160hp versions would cost lower.
Would like to see you do a video on Twin Comanche, as they are pretty much one of the cheapest twin in the market
Keep em comin! Can't wait to see the spec on the Cherokee 6!
I already subbed. Love your content, you should do more reviews like you did with the 172
I love your vkdeos
If I’m taking a friend for $100 hamburger and he offers to pay 50%, the regulations allow this. However, do I have him contribute 50% of the variable or 50% of the total cost to own? I’m referring to your table 2 minutes and 15 seconds into the video with the total cost to own at 50 hours per year.
Good info but what are the cost for landing at different airports? Now it shows how far it can fly but is that fully loaded or empty? I have other questions but I can't think of them right now.
Hi,
Thanks for the questions!
Landing fees fall into the category I call Pilot Fees. Pilot Fees also include subscriptions, charts, medicals, etc. These fees are all the same if you're flying a 180 something else. I only cover the airplane costs that vary from plane to plane.
Range is a full tank at economy cruise speed and fuel burn.
Thanks again and thanks for watching.
Draw a 100 mile circle around your house. In a plane like this you can reach any destination within 100 miles in less than an hour. For me in the northeast, that’s a lot of places. Cherokee 180 1/2 owner
Please do a super cub
Why no inspection costs, or costs for replacing/upgrading avionics? Those things don't take care of themselves!
Your "Overhaul" cost is Way Low.
One might be able to do the top end for the cost you posted - As we know that is Not an Overhaul - Just more maintenance . . .
The Piper is a good airplane, but I prefer CESSNA. (they even have 2 doors :)
Hi Jim, Thanks for commenting. If you don't mind, please feel free to share your experience with this engine/overhaul. I am always looking to improve my numbers and it will benefit others reading the comments, Thanks!
@@CompleteWalkaround You can cheap out on overhaul and gamble but if you go with a Lycoming approved shop that has a good reputation... you can say about 30k (after returning the core) for an overhauled engine then you add labor to (remove and) install. Keep in mind, there will be things to replace here and there along the way, not just the engine in the process. Parts aren't cheap. I think $12 will get you the engine given the engine lasts 2500 hrs (12*2500=30000) but that's just an engine.
@@biglee13m Even if you had to spend 30K for an overhaul, how often are you going to have to do that? Who goes through 2K hours that fast? It still seems worth the price.
@@biglee13m I have owned my archer for 19 yrs. Replaced the engine 2 yrs ago after my old engine had 3550 hrs and still strong . Total cost to get an overhauled engine was 28k which included all new baffles , oil Cooler , hoses , scat tubing etc. my IA and I picked it up on a Friday and I was flying that Sunday afternoon . Owner assists are the way to go imo . I own my hangar so there is a cost there but I have a heated office and keep my boat there as well. My insurance is 900 yr for 80k hull value. I budget 5k a yr for fuel but with Covid my flying was curtailed as rental cars at the other end were not easy. My annuals run about 600 yr not counting parts like tires, tubes etc, Pitot static every 24 months cost me 340 or so. My panel over the yrs has probably got 30k or more upgrades in it. I know people who spend more on a boat here in Mn than I do my plane. It’s a passion and I thankfully can afford it. And as to Cessna vs Piper both are great planes BUT at 73 I don’t have to climb a ladder to fuel it , I just bend over 👍 My prop overhaul cost me 600.00 but can’t be overhauled again which at some point will cost me about 6k based on prices at that time which is a crapshoot
@@ohcliff1030 flight school
Costs will vary by region.
Good Job man 👍
Awesome videos!!!
I've seen "hangar" misspelt on FAA charts, so why not here...
Just subscribed. You have good content. Can you do a video on the differences between the Arrow, Cherokee, and Warrior? Cost, size and performance?
Which Cherokee and which arrow are you looking at?
@@CompleteWalkaround Any and all. I don't yet understand the differences.
@@mattkitchen3119 there are over 20 planes in the Cherokee family. Maybe a Cherokee family tree video is a good idea
@@mattkitchen3119 there are over 20 planes in the Cherokee family. Maybe a Cherokee family tree video is a good idea
Can you do a video on the Cherokee 6?
Yup
Flying is an expensive proposition. Would not the experimental side of it be cheaper?
Generally speaking yes. Check my video on Sling TSi. I will be posting some videos on other experimental aircraft soon as well.
Could you do one on the Comanche 250?
How About Owning A 737 ?
Good info thank you
What about the 235 Cherokee?
This makes me wonder how the 140/150 stacks up.
Stay tuned !
Seems pretty conservative.
A hangEr is something on which you hang clothing. A hangAr is where you store an aircraft.
But what is maintance? 🤓
@@CompleteWalkaround oops, that one sneaked by me.
How much would it cost to put a bigger engine in it?
With buying a stc and engine it would be a lot. Best would to be find a Cherokee 235 that has the bigger engine to begin with. But the Cherokee 180 really doesn’t need a bigger engine. I was getting out of a 1,100 foot grass strip with trees on both ends all day with 2 people and 1/2 fuel on a hot Texas day
Lets see some bush planes
Kitfox video just posted!
Let’s see Paul Allen’s bush plane
Isn't this the thing that the Kennedy guy crashed in while flying drunk?
JFK Jr was flying this plane's larger cousin, the PA-32 Piper Saratoga.
@@CompleteWalkaround What a prompt reply. Liked and subscribed.
Planes go in hangars, not hangers
I hate to be that guy, but "hangers" and "hangars" are different things.
Who cares if you can afford it, go with a Cessna. The cub was the last decent line piper built
"Maintance" ????
"Hanger" ???? 😛
This was my second video. A little haphazardly done
"Can I afford to own a Cherokee 180?" Lol, , no...
Wrong. No insurance for planes. Biggest cost is where you keep it
Funny, my insurance was 3 time the cost to tie down my 180 at my flying club.
@@svenstock2963 how much u pay? For both?
@@OnlyUknow2$ 750 a year for tie down. It's grass and not electric. Insurance $2100. So not exactly but close