BOMB THREAT on British Aircraft & Terminal Building | Stuck for 1 HOUR!
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That one hour must have been long for those pilots, cabin crew and passengers...
I'm not sure the Captain would have said "hey, we're just hanging out over here for an hour because there's a suspected Bomb on board" ... I wonder if he just said there was a technical issue with the aircraft and they need to wait for some stairs. Or at least, stick with that story until the stairs arrive, then tell them "get off quickly, there is a threat to this aircraft" .. just to stop some people (and you know there would be some!) who would be tempted to grab their luggage from the overheard "bins" 🙂
One could argue that if they honestly believed that the aircraft would explode at any moment, a crew directed passenger evacuation may have been the best course of action.
…can you imagine the investigation findings, had it actually exploded? Everyone would be asking why they didn’t evacuate.
and ATC...
@@zedzeduk People would probably have popped the slides themselves if he said that... Slides are armed for takeoff...
The Captain wasn't taking any chances. He said that they waited for Almost an Hour and if the Stairs didn't show up, he would have to Initiate an Emergency Evacuation of the Aircraft Using the Slides and Assembling all Passengers under the Royal Air Force C-17. ATC was overwhelmed by this and So was Speedbird 18B. Unfortunately, the Terminal had High priority but the Speedbird 18B Aircraft was the first one to receive the message. That could've been bad and this would've been Reported to the AAIB and British Airways Headquarters in London.
Man could have ordered stairs from Amazon faster…
...and that's with it being built and shipped from China!
And with out Prime shipping.
SERIOUSLY
Not with arrivals stopped. Legend has it the stairs were indeed ordered from China and are aboard a plane currently looking at them from above, from the nearest holding point.
@@milankowww 🤣
Captain: MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY, request takeoff clearance and radar vector to the nearest airport, we're gonna evacuate there, since it's FASTER
Not going to work. They are in the middle of the ocean, with no nearby airports.
IKR
They're in Bermuda... nearest airport is North Carolina 1000km West.
@@sailortristan Would be faster to do a river landing in the Hudson
After the mayday call they don't even have to ask for takeoff clearance, but just say that they will be taking off and flying to the nearest alternate airport. Though it might be a bit ways off starting from Bermuda.
They lost 3 passengers and 1 crew to natural causes due to old age.
Damn man 😂😂😂
3 injured due to boredem
@@walkingpineapple4563 @walkingpineapple4563 Oh stop this bull/fake news spread!
speedbird 18b, it looks like you've exploded, the stairs will arrive in 20 minutes.
Yeah sorry about the delay😂
Bomb ”I will stand by for further information as well. ”
😂
You can really hear him livid mad and trying to stay calm.
And then the voice changes.... Uhoh.
@@intorainbowzOG Yeah, not a good sign when the captain himself gets on the mic
So British.
Sounds like an airport desperately needs to re-evaluate their emergency procedures. The amount of time that airplane had to sit was borderline incompetence
borderline? I'd say they crossed the border 40 minutes ago
Not borderline, the definition of incompetence.
Yeah, after she said that they were on their way, and that she did not have a metric of time, just silly qualifier statements like soon. Then, she says that they're on standby. That's the moment for me, we cross that line into incompetence, when you told me that they were on their way, and standing by, at some other place, that is not where I need them to be.
@@ivanbliminsevideolocker9958 Maybe there was an issue with the braveness level of some people when they learned 'on their way' why they were going to the plane.
@@martinbrink6711This is well past the line of malice in my opinion. If it's taking this long, they should have told the pilot that he can evacuate using the slides.
“Where are they coming from, out of interest?” is a classic 😂
And here's the kicker: every point on the island is less than an hour's drive from the airport.
Had to fly one in, but there was a bomb threat, apparently
On the ferry, it'll depart noon tomorrow and be with us about 5pm
"Heathrow - do you want to meet them halfway to save time?"
What a fucking joke. Airlines should reconsider flying to this airport if this is what their emergency response looks like.
I agree. What if there was a repeat of the BA 777 at Las Vegas? How long would the Fire Service take??
what airport was this?
@@aftondill2837 L.F. Wade International Airport in Bermuda
I agree with all... as I commented above: "how does one remain respectful when [it's so < >'d up]? oh my goodness
@@oldmanc2 Japan Airlines in Tokyo Haneda. Going up in flames and evacuating without any human losses. Bermuda: "Do you have a booking for the emergency services ?"
Unacceptable that it took that long to get emergency services to the jet.
As a rule ground services are not obliged to take steps out unless they are manned by volunteers…found this out when I had to orginisr an evacuation on a bomb threat in the 80’s in uk..
As someone who was at Pentagon on September 11, I guess I am used to emergency personnel who charge towards the danger zone.
It can take time to scramble the Bomb squad from their Lifeguard duties. The Stairs crew were also down at the beach, using the Stairs as Shark spotter ramps
@@alanholck7995 Yeah... As a general rule, ARFF should be able to respond to an emergency on any part of the airport within 5 minutes. At least that's the rule in the U.S., though I was under the impression that it was an ICAO standard for all passenger service airports.
Bermuda is a very small airport in the Caribbean. They aren’t manned like other major airports.
Although ATC has no control over the availability of ramp equipment, how the airport authority took so long to dispatch stairs, irrespective of the situation at the terminal, is mind boggling.
Not easy situation and decisions I have to understand. But yes, took very long.
@@VASAviationBA is typically the last flight out of BDA and the airport staff usually leave immediately after the aircraft is out of their hands, it’s pretty crazy
@@elbobo3251That's what I was thinking. It was after midnight.
the pilot basically had to orchestrate everything. she never thought about getting the passengers off it was his idea
@@pomerau It was after midnight UTC. It was 21.10 local time.
Excellent decision by the Captain to call May Day when he wasn't getting the support required. Forced them to assist instead of continuing to delay. Very professionally handled by the BA crew
I agree. I think the controller is placed on high alert when the word, “Mayday” is used.
You can *hear* the professional British eye-rolling in the captain and FO's voices :D
Legend has it the passengers are still waiting to disembark
Nonsense. They got off. We know this as it said they were evacuated. Legend has it they're still under the wing of a C17 having eaten their way through the slowest passengers. The stairs are still 20 minutes away.
@@ts757arse I love that. :)
@@ts757arse "But did he ever return, no he never returned
And his fate is still unlearned
He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston
He's the man who never returned..."
No, they are still waiting for the lemon scented napkins to arrive.
That's unacceptable from the airport. Any airlines flying there should be seriously considering pausing their routes into that airport until they have a full explanation of what happened and assurances that future emergency responses will be handled more professionally. If the threat had been real, that could have been catastrophic.
That would serve Bermuda right, as it is heavily dependent on tourism.
you know that they can't access runway before Police clears the area right?
@@beastlysunsuper cool. And it's also super cool that they had absolutely no knowledge of how long it takes on average for the police to get there /s. I'm not being cute, they should be doing safety drills so they know how long it is, they should be on the phone with the police going 'where are the responding cars right now'. They should be saying in their second breath 'you're on your own now, we're not going to help you' If they know the cars haven't even left the station yet and it takes them 20 minutes to get there on a good day, they can say 'it'll be at least half an hour, use the slides'. Tbh, I'm kind of shocked they didn't use the slides automatically. Like, okay some people could get hurt on them- or they could get blown up. Like wtf
Well, we all learned something about "island time" in an emergency today..
This was painful to watch. The airport was like "You, too, have a bomb over there? Well that fckn SUCKS"... wow
"That's crazy, bro..."
Pilot was seriously considering deploying slides and evacuating . He was facing command decision. What a cluster-flip this was.
Even under a bomb threat, they still operate on Caribbean time!
Which is weird since Bermuda isn't in the Caribbean.
@@vbscript2 Mid-Atlantic seems to be just as bad. Same island mentality
Island Time
57 minutes. Un-fucking-believable. Absolutely spot on from the pilot for keeping the pressure on ATC to assist.
Unfortunately there's not much ATC can do in this situation. We call emergency services and relay all the pertinent information of the situation to them and then they are supposed to respond. If I call them with an emergency aircraft and they are slow or delayed in response all I can do is call them again. This is on airport operations and their emergency services.
@@jangledereknow we are a very qualified cross trained bunch, our threat is “don’t make me come down there and drive it myself”. I’ll commandeer my own dang stairs, and run back for the fire engine. And the ambulance, and the shuttle bus if necessary. It’s Bermuda, probably a lovely evening for a jog.
@@jaysmith1408if it’s a 20 minute drive for them, I doubt you’d get there before morning
Oh come on our sheltered housing fire alarms went off early hours of Thursday morning alarm flash in housing associations community alarm centre fire brigade comes immediately were here in a few minutes assessment made false alarm alarm reset and an less than one hour lated well infact 40 minutes later thed all gone and we could nod off if our place can respond that quick as there fifty odd people inbuilding why a well equipped airport cant do better than the airport did is beyond me
@@bunglejoy3645first of all, that’s barely decipherable…
Second, a fire false alarm and a fake bomb threat are entirely different things…
Thirdly, it’s harder to handle an emergency in a larger place with more people, not easier, so the size of the airport compared to your community whatever actually works against your point.
I have to say, I'm amazed the captain didn't deploy chutes much earlier (unless this sort of things happens regularly, and they are always false alarms). He was repeatedly told "on their way" with the stairs when they were clearly not on their way - and in that situation this is totally unforgivable. I think especially with it being a UK plane (or if it had been a US one) the threats need to be treated very, very seriously due to the history of terror attacks against those nations .. so yeah, unforgivable to be giving out "on our way" messages when that wasn't the case. Not blaming Tower here if they were just passing on messages, but still, someone, somewhere needs to change job - if the captain had been told initially "it'll take 45 minutes to get you some stairs" I'm sure he would have evaculated immediately.
I seem to recall an aircraft with a bomb threat called in, they told the captain to hold and when told there would be a delay for stairs, ordered the crew to pop the slides and evacuated onto the runway
Capt has to make the decision as he is commander of the a/c.. steps are only provided by apron services if they get volunteers to do so.. would have thought that BA operating manual would have told him that.. appreciate they don’t like using the chutes as the a/c would be AOG till they were repacked and checked
@@We-re.doomed123 There are almost invariably injuries from a chute evacuation. So the captain has to balance that against seriousness of the threat. Given that there was a threat against the terminal as well, and that there were no ground staff and ambulances, the passengers might have been safer where they were.
You’d have to fly in new ones for this plane to depart
@@johnbrickel6446 Not so
There was a BA plane that had inflated slides a few months ago... They were removed and the aircraft ferried to the Mx base and repaired
That poor controller. You could hear in her voice how frustrated she was that she had to keep telling the pilot “they’re on their way “. Heartbreaking.
"Cancel takeoff, you might be sitting on a bomb... standby one (hour)" 😮
The British Airways crew handled that so incredibly well. Remained calm at all times and also looking ahead. Wow!
They were incredibly patient. Perhaps too patient? If the treat is credible, I would not want to sit around waiting for close to an hour on a jet loaded with fuel and the cabin full of passengers…
@AndreSomers I agree. At which point is it justifiable to wait for "another few minutes".
Im just sitting in my room listening to the Audio so who am I to judge, but I feel like they should've evacuated via slides instantly after the "I hope so"- atc call
@@MarcelB787 100% a bomb threat is not something you just calmly wait around to see if you go boom.
The pilots were absolutely incompetent. Should have immediately dropped the slides and got everybody a long way away from that aircraft.
@@MarcelB787 problem is: slides are risky (and expensive)
@@AndreSomersYep, that'll be why he ordered ambulances as knowing some people may break their legs
In Island = "They are on their way" = "They haven't picked up the phone / They have other tasks before you"
In Island = "10 minutes" = "35 minutes"
Pssst… Great Britain is also an island…
It's like the Seinfeld episode in the Chinese restaurant , "Should be 5...10 minutes..."
Any tropical or sub-tropical locale I swear has this mentality. Come to Miami and ask to meet a local up in half an hour - see how long you'll wait.
What a sh!tshow. If this was an genuine threat people woule be dead by now. Very professional pilots and atc though
@@horvath83 which makes sense - let's just say that this sounded like a typical phone call to majority of UK call centres - minus the potential threat scenario, obviously.
Missed the chance to use "one eternity later" from SpongeBob
Good idea! 😂 Maybe it was a copyright issue.
@@kevindavis8175 Nah, every toddler streaming on Twitch or Discord uses it
Notice how the BA pilot told ATC the passengers would be convening under the port wing of the C-17. This is presumably due to the port side being sheltered from the 777 by the C-17 fuselage itself, and under the wing to prevent debris raining down should there be an explosion. Great thinking by the crew!
He was probably hoping there would be some sensible RAF chaps there to help instead of the clueless jackasses working at the airport.
Using slides (I see this being asked a lot) is inherently a high risk option. You’ll note the captain requesting ambulances for this eventuality. Friction burns, broken bones, and head injuries are common. Also the risk of crush injuries or someone pushed off the slide. It’s very much a last resort.
But up until which point is it justifiable to wait for "another few minutes"?
Thanks, i was wondering why they didn't use those!
Do you believe it would've been a viable option if they knew from the start that the stairs would take an hour to arrive?
I just find it hard to understand how they weigh this apparently credible threat to their lives against possible injuries.
@@SVD_NL the issue here is not knowing the credibility of the threat. Threats such as this are made all the time against aircraft. They rarely rise to the level seen here, as there’s an index for defining how credible the threat is. The pilots, not having this index or credibility told to them, are in a very difficult position trying to balance outcomes.
If we think about it, had they been told ‘it’ll be an hour’ then yes, that might be a good idea. But then they keep being told 10-20 minutes, which tempts them to hold off.
The information the terminal is also unsafe means stranding the passengers in a dangerous no-mans-land in potentially hot/cold conditions for several hours. Which could result in more issues.
I do think their mental model would’ve been different had they heard an hour from the very start, but I also think they could’ve asked more questions about the intel and maybe called their security duty manager for an update.
Sometimes Ryanair built-in stairs are the way to go 😂
It’s also possible to perform a rapid disembarkation instead of an all out evacuation, using the slides. This has been proven to be far safer than an evacuation because it is far more orderly. As an aside, the Boeing manual gives 30 minutes to divert, land and evacuate with a bomb threat in the air. I’d apply that 30 minutes to the ground scenario as well, assuming no other credible information comes from tower of BA-HQ. After that it’s the slides for me.
Utterly shambolic from both ATC and BA pilots.
"Urgent need for you to stop your take off due to a bomb threat, now go over there and sit in the corner like a good lad for an hour, while we wait for the bomb to go off."
That Captain was awesome. He realizes that if he orders an evacuation via the slides that there WILL be injuries. He pre-orders that ambulances accordingly. He wasn't far from ordering the slide evacuation.
"Speedbird 18B, Bermuda Tower, you are on your own, over. Good luck!"
well, if they had actually said that, it would have been useful as the captain would have deployed the slides immediately. The fact that atc kept saying it was on its way made it much worse.
There’s one destination to avoid if their emergency response to a bomb threat is so amateurish. Non-compliant with ICAO requirements and just a circus act.
Disgraceful.
Bermuda going straight downhill.
sadly the isolation-stand is just for that...
Both BA and ATC deserve kudos. ATC was extremely limitied in what information they could provide since the terminal was amidst an evacuation themselves. The system was stressed and for a resource-thin island like Bermuda, many lessons to be learned here.
Always on top of every event, great job VASAviation!
Of course, thanks!
Wow... that was crazy. An hour... good thing there wasn't a bomb, or it was a very patient one. ATC can't control services so I felt sorry for the controller having to give the pilots no good information as that's all she was getting. I'm surprised the pilot didn't pop the slides much earlier, but he was definitely cool but annoyed.
what an absolute cluster. Seems the airport authority has just been collecting a paycheck for years without doing any real contingency planning/drilling.
If I was BA, I'd be asking some pretty serious questions to the airport management and strongly considering the safety factors of flying into that airport right about now.
"have you got stairs in sight" :)
"Looking for traffic."
*30 minutes later*
"Still looking for traffic."
I think they must have been flying the stairs in from RDU or something.
@@vbscript2 or a cruise ship just arrived and they need the stairs to unload it..
Ok I get that you’re evacuating the terminal, likely on a skeleton shift.
I get that the emergency crews have to stay back until the aircraft is cleared by bomb squad if that’s their procedure.
I get that the tower is dealing with a lot.
But is it really that hard a request to get someone to drive a set of steps to the aircraft in less than half an hour?
could be wrong but my impression is people are being held back by some authority (or maybe didn't want to go). It's not a trivial thing to approach a plane with a potential bomb on it
Not if they have a free person, which they apparently did not.
@@653j521 The crash/fire rescue people were sitting on their thumbs. One of them could have driven stairs over in bunker gear.
I imagine that the ground crew were evacuating the same time the terminal was, so you would have to find, organize, and coordinate the ground crew to get those stairs.
Pilot: can we get emergency services?
Bugs Bunny ATC: No.
Bugs Bunny ATC: "Well, not todaaay!!!"
IMO the controller handled this well given the circumstances beyond her control - clear communication, didn’t become overwhelmed, good job 🫡
Honestly, I feel for both ATC and the pilots in this one. From what I could tell, at first it looked like one bomb threat, and then it emerged there were two and procedures probably weren't made for that event. ATC (or at least that particular worker) isn't being evacuated but terminal is and probably a lot of the contacts she would regularly need to coordinate with in a situation like that, so she's calling and getting redirected to wherever the secondary contact is set up, while each part of the whole is gradually coming to the realization that there are two threats and that one has to take priority, and I'm guessing the terminal got it. She's doing what she can with what resources she can actually rally in the confusion, with what calm she's able to maintain while she isn't being evacuated when many other departments are.
Then the pilots are stuck with what little information trickles their way. They don't know the exact nature of the threat. Are they currently hostages? Is someone negotiating for them? If they start the evacuation, will that inspire the bomber to act and detonate? They have to continue making decisions based on what they know and how much calm they're able to maintain with the passengers. If they evacuate, people are going to get injured, so they would rather wait for the stairs if at all possible, but if panic sets in before that happens, the result will be even worse. If negotiations go on too long (if they're happening), the bomber could also lose patience and detonate just to teach a lesson. The tightrope of "how long should we wait" is razor thin and there's no right answer. The only thing they have to work with is that stairs are coming, so they're probably clear to get the passengers off the plane (otherwise, they wouldn't be sending stairs), and they want that to happen as swiftly and safely as possible. It's terrifying and frustrating and they've got to keep it together because losing their cool just isn't an option.
Terrible situation all around, but I don't think ATC holds the blame for it so much as whoever submitted the threats in the first place and the actual airport for not having robust enough procedures and resources to handle it effectively.
The pilots are probably nervous which is understandable due to the bomb threat inside their aircraft, so they want to get out of the plane ASAP. The ATC on the other hand is just a messenger which is why I agree that nobody can blame the ATC for this, she's just relaying information to the pilots because that's all she can do at that time.
@@ro-86alkonost78 i understand what you are saying but the way i read it was ATC would give pilots update then another 10 minutes would go by and the pilots would have to ask ATC for an update then 10 minutes would go by and the pilots would have to ask for another update..so ATC was giving them updates ONLY when the pilots asked for them...
@@MickeyMousePark Probably because every time they asked for an update, she would have to call the relevant department to get an update. It does appear she did issue updates on her own when she had some information to give.
I was cabin crew back in the late ‘70s on 747s, several times after departure from Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne or Perth if England had just beaten Australia at cricket, rugby or tiddlywinks some muppet would call in a bomb scare on our flight number. Procedure was always a discrete but thorough cabin check, toilets, galley bins and then carry on as normal to our destination, usually Singapore or Columbo if out of Perth. It was routine if a big sport event was on.
Let's just talk about the gaslighting! Constantly lying that they were on their way and then saying ARFF was below the tower, and then, only after pushing further, did she clarify they hadn't even left yet.
Maybe its not all on the tower, but people need to start giving exact answers.
If she said, stairs are 1hr away, that plane would have been rapid evac'd within 10 minutes.
Shocking lack of urgency, the whole "Island time" thing really should be nowhere near airport ops
Man what an incredible delay! I understand that a threat against the terminal building diverted a lot of resources, but they didn’t need marshalers and airsteps to evacuate the terminal. Sounds like a lot of confusion over priorities, and attempts to secure the safety of ground personnel at the expense of passengers and flight crew. I do hope BA will be polling every airport they use for their procedures for this kind of thing, that was wholly unacceptable!
I like the part where the controller explains that the firebrigade is not allowed to approach the aircraft as there is a bomb threat. So many brave people at this airport...
The fire fighters probably don't have training in bomb threat evaluation and ordnance disposal. That's why they were required to remain clear until the police dealt with the threat. It doesn't have anything to do with lack of bravery. Sending in folks without proper training will only make things worse.
They don't do things that they are not trained for wether they are there or not. And I sure hope they are trained to help evacuate planes. How does the controller send stairs and marshaller when they are on their own knowing the fireservice will not come? It's like looking for volunteers stepping forward and everybody takes a step back.
but ATC did not volunteer that info until the pilots asked for an update..
I'm really surprised that captain didn't order emergency evac via slides. You can hear his growing concern for everyone on the plane.
It’s always a risk of multiple injuries and the chance of this being a real bomb relatively small. Very tough decision for the captain.
@@horvath83 - the alternate is a relatively slow disembarkation using the slides, not a full blown panic evacuation. This is an option in the bomb on board checklist.
@@EdOeuna There is always a risk of panic when slides are involved, telling passengers to stay calm because it is just a bomb threat probably won’t work either…
@@horvath83 - I’ll let Boeing know. Maybe they’ll change their checklists for you.
@@EdOeuna As you said “it’s an option” so it is captain’s decision after all, isn’t it? Are you accusing BAW captain of wrong doing here?
Fair play she really did her best, she was just stuck in an awkward situation but great job from her. It was the airport that let her down there really
An email bomb threat is just lazy. What's this world come to.
What if that email went to the spam box? 🤣
People don't use emails much anymore, must have been an old fart doing this.
@@bardo0007 at least they didn’t fax it
I think Bermuda needs to have their routines and airport services looked at. UK needs to ship out some professionals to overhaul the operation at their island.
That must’ve been a long hour for those pilots, knowing that if the threat was credible it could have happened at anytime. Kudos to them for staying so calm
That is a tough call for the crew. Wait for stairs and avoid injuries but risk mass casualties if it is a real threat (often these seem to be not) - or evacuate now via slides with injuries, aircraft disabled but avoid mass casualties.
And all they did was make life miserable for this captain, whose job would be on the line if he messed something up, or made the wrong decision.
I highly commend the pilot for being insistent, taking control , and showing concern for his passengers.
Emergency procedures have to be evaluated at this location. Also training.
You can have the best evacuation plan on paper and training, but it's hard to convince people to approach an aircraft with a possible bomb inside of it in the real world...they were probably playing rock paper scissors to decide who would be the brave souls to approach the aircraft
The British Airways crew must of been sitting there thinking what a complete mess the airport is making of this indecent.
Funnily enough, I've had a nightmare dealing with our Bermuda office at work for being so slow and unresponsive. Looks like it's a common theme over there. 😂
Imagine being an airstairs driver: "We need you to drive the stairs up to the aircraft with a bomb threat. Bob won't do it, and ARFF's safety procedures don't allow them to approach."
Was BAW18B on their own from the start?
In a recent sim session with an inflight bomb scare we were briefed that US unions refuse to let their members approach aircraft if there is a bomb scare, so the general rule is that you’re on your own and have to decide how real the risk is. Big airlines have security departments that assess this sort of stuff all the time. Maybe the pilots already knew it was a hoax which is why they were so laid back by the scenario.
@@EdOeunathey were not by any means laid back. The captain asking for updates every few minutes and growing increasingly agitated was the pilot equivalent of pacing the floors.
Wow! Talk about running on island time! What a cluster...
"Speedbird 18B, while your waiting we are showing a documentary on TWA800 on the Airport Wifi if you and the passengers are interested ..."
The Bomb squad were working Part-time as Lifeguards. Sadly, the Stairs team were using the Stairs as Shark Lookout
ramp
First time I've heard a Captain actually sounding nervous on the radio
Apparently in Bermuda they do everything chill, including bomb threats.
Great opportunity for review of procedures for both airport (especially) and airline. What should the crew do in a situation where emergency services are unavailable? Can't fly obviously, if the bomb threat is real. So they need concrete procedures for timing for taking matters into their own hands. As for the airport, one can't expect much from a banana republic like the Bahamas, but you'd still hope they'd be able to get some stairs out to an emergency aircraft. BA flies to a lot of Third World airports, so this should be an indication they need to review procedures.
While there may be lapses in handling this emergency, the controller has no fault for this because at that point, she's just a messenger who can only relay information to the pilots, she can't do anything else maybe except tell the marshallers, stairs and firemen that the pilots want them to hurry up but if they don't, then the controller can't do anything.
I wonder what would authorities say to the newspapers if the plane actually exploded after 50 minutes of waiting
"Oops"?
Gob Bluth has the stairs at the casino, he’s heading back now.
Things never change. Very similar happened in Budapest, aircraft diverted there, informed them half an hour before. They eventually evacuated after the hopeless waiting.
Looks like the aircraft invoked is G-VIIN. B772 with 235 pax seats.
Did initially wonder why the C-17 was shown on the video.
Invoked?
You know you've watched/listened to a lot of VASA when you start to recognize pilots by their voices instantly.
That's one way to ruin everybody's day.
But apparently this was the last aircraft out - so about that terminal evacuation - Question, how log does it take to evacuate Cleaners and Light bulb changers from the airport when they want to go home already!
1:36 - pilot said what i (a total noob regarding aviation) was thinking. a B could explode at any moment and you're just gonna let the plane hang out and chill on the runway?
Think about it another way. Plane could explode at any minute so they are going to put other people in danger too?
@@ChrisCooper312
What other people? Neither the pilot nor I said anything about other people. In fact, judging from this recording, the plane ended up being directed to an isolated area precisely so that no "other people" would be affected.
The focus is on evacuating passengers.
That pilot has discretion to pop the emergency slides.
Bermuda - a great place to holiday, whether you're a tourist or airport worker!
This is a very serious situation, but I find it funny and I like that the pilot pretty much said "hurry up or we're evacuating using the slides"
ATC: "I called the fire department and mentioned there might be a bomb on board the aircraft, and they said f#@k that and went home"
EMS didn't want to be rushed finishing their rum punch pitcher before heading over
That's absolutely mind boggling!!
BAW18B "I hope it isn't a time bomb"
I don't want to comment on airport operations given how stretched they would have been with the terminal threat as well. But my real question is what on earth were the pilots supposed to say to the passengers during that hour?
I once landed during a bomb threat in the terminal. It's not 100% the same situation, as there was no threat against the plane itself. While we were still in the plane, we were told that there is a bomb threat in the terminal and we will stay in the plane for indefinite time. After around 10 minutes they gave us stars and grouped us outside the terminal. Then we had to stay outside for 1 more hour until everything was clear. There was no panic or any vocal reaction by the passengers. They were mostly annoyed that they got delayed ~90 minutes for an internal flight that lasts 45 minutes.
I am guessing anything but "There is a bomb threat on this plane". Or people will be pulling those slides themselves.
"sorry folks we've had a threat of a bomb on board and instead of evacuating we're just gonna have you all sit here"
Also, incredible, they couldn't spare one single person to drive stairs to the aircraft.
@@JoshuaCasey but you are welcome to a small package of peanuts while you wait...
This is just a logistic nightmare. As the time stamp given was 0000Z, or 2100 local (UTC-3 for summer), this was likely one of the last flights-if not the last-for the day. At first, I thought they should've at least had the air stairs out relatively quick, but I forgot about the time and realized there was probably no one at the airport to drive the air stairs. The simultaneous threat to the terminal didn't do any favors as employees would still have to evacuate until the all clear is given. It makes a little more sense why it took forever and a day to assist BAW18B. Not to mention, the airport is also serviced by a single 2 lane causeway. A nice bottleneck to slow down anyone trying to access the terminal. If this happened in the afternoon, I could see room to blame 'Island time'.
Agree, but no excuse to not have a stair driver available on the tarmac any time there's a plane on the ground, as its the primary method of evacuation
so did ATC call down and say we need stairs..and was told ok...10 minutes later called down again and were told they are on their way (stair people knowing full well no stairs were on their way) then called down again and was told they are on their way (again stair people had no stairs enroute)..then 10 minutes later called down and told the stairs would take 20 minutes (my guess they found someone that will drive the stairs after they arrive from home)
Everyone keeps saying it is a small airport which would mean when stairs were dispatched it should not take 30+ minutes to get to any point on the airfield (maybe 10 minutes worst case) all you would need is 1 person to drive them..i would understand if the stairs were driving from one side of JFK to the other..
@@DrPepper22222 I agree with having someone available, but it doesn't seem likely there's an employee facility on field apart from the terminal other than ATC and ARFF (and flight schools). If terminal was evacuated due to bomb scare, locating the employee to summon the air stairs is a chore in itself, not to mention if keys were in the terminal when evacuated. When ordered to evacuate, ideally you drop whatever you were doing and get to the nearest available exit and wait for all clear before re-entering. Since the terminal has jet bridges, no one was likely manning the air stairs at the time of bomb threat.
@@MickeyMousePark It would be fair to assume since it IS a small airfield, the airport facilities are located IN the main terminal. Since the terminal does have jetways, it's fair to not man the air stairs 24/7. If the building was evacuated before someone was able to grab the keys for the air stairs, then those keys remain in the terminal until the all clear is given. It's likely the facilities group had the phones forwarded to cell phones and they were giving estimates based off what security was giving. Not saying tower was giving good/bad info, just saying there's a lot more at play than what we hear on the radios. We don't know what tower is saying off air.
I think people are being a bit unfair to the ATC controller and the Bermuda Airport fire service. Bermuda is a small island and the airport has two terminals. Their are 5 fire truck and 20 police officers. The nearest fire station is about a 30 min drive away so it about approximately 50 people to evacuate a large terminal with thousands of passengers in it. Plus that include ground crew and staff. Now you have to bring some of those ground crew back and have them drive the stair to the plane. Which is about a 10 min drive from the airport. I am not saying a 57 minute wait is responsible but it not like it was cause the emergency crews were sitting idly by or being lazy.
Speedbird 18b traffic on highway , stairs in 20 min gusts 30, chutes at your discretion cleared to bang
What does IACO specify for airline operations? I know the USA's FAA has very specific requirements for ARFF and response times. 1 hour to respond to a bomb threat is absolutely ridiculous.
I'm surprised he didn't deploy slides much sooner and I'd love to know what his company policy is on that issue.
Please don't comment and tell me that slides are dangerous when the other option is deplaining via bomb blast...
Aircraft I noticed Landed in LHR this morning between 5-7am
No.... we are not evacuating the pax and having them huddle under our wing which is full of fuel, in case the plane blows up. We are huddling under the wing of the OTHER plane over there!
Wow that’s ridiculous and I’ve been in that position at YVR.
Took 35 mins to “rapid deplane” even though the bridge was docked the whole time. Took that long to get a Wheelchair pax off… fuel leak, cabin had a nearly flammable atmosphere.
Well done the pilots. I imagine they'd already discussed setting the 60 minute mark as the evacuate threshold. Using slides is something to avoid if you can but when the alternative is you and your passengers explode then the risk/reward calculation levels out somewhat.
I can imagine some very angry calls coming from BA to the airport. Regarding those who use the terminal threat as a mitigating factor. I'd say it's irrelevant. The AARF etc should've been at the plane and it fully evacuated before the terminal threat even became a factor. Yes an entire terminal is a higher priority than a single plane but that plane should've become a neutralised concern.
Ultimate professionalism from the BA pilots as ever. Have the Bermuda airport team considered a job at the council? Seems they would be well suited.
What a cluster! Thank goodness those turned out to be a test run for this airport. They need to get it together.
In law enforcement we call this a Fuster Cluck.
Interesting predicament, a plane and a terminal. Both together at the same time.
I wonder how many airports of that size have that sort of contingent in place. And what staff are available.
Knowing some places they wouldn’t have enough staff on a normal day.
Anyone know what category TXF is for Fire crews?
What is obviously not understood here, is that the air stairs are the responsibility of a guy actually named Marshal. He’s also responsible for custodial service in the public washrooms, so talk of bombs or explosions can be taken in different ways. Although, he probably thought he was really in for it as he was driving the stairs to the toilets.
looks like airport staff was NEVER trained for such situations. And probably ATC was alone in TWR, making all coordinations by herself.
Speedbird 18b, for safety reasons, the fire station has confirmed that they will arrive with stairs immediately after the bomb has exploded.
We can't blame that lady, but c'mon: 1 HOUR for stairs?! UNACCEPTABLE! If I were the Captain, I would have evacuated everyone as quickly as possible!
The Captain is trying so hard to remain calm, but you can hear the rising panic in his voice.