Honesty is becoming rarer these days as everybody is just paid off! It may not be easy to be honest but it’s the reason you have more subscribers than any other model railway channel! Never change your honesty and integrity! ❤️❤️❤️
"Sam's Trains run of bad luck" is rapidly becoming an urban myth, so I'm so glad you called it out. You're one of the only reviewers I know who takes the time to look at the pros and cons of the mechanism in any detail, which I find really useful.
Haha thank you - it’s the favourite excuse of every brown nose... but it makes no sense and nobody takes it seriously 😂 Thanks so much for the support, Sam :)
I wish manufacturers would put brass gears back in their locos, they would bed in and the loco would run smoother. More running in is needed, but the end result is worth it.
That's interesting - I don't think I've ever seen plastic gears get worn away... only ever worm drives! As long as they're reasonably well lubricated, I don't think plastic gears are a problem. Worm drives are different - much more force involved there... and most quality locos do have brass worms, which I agree with! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I specialize in buying used, so I've managed to get locomotives that "run but don't move" fairly affordable. Particularly with the Chinese hornby locomotives, they have that plastic (nylon) idler gear that seems to skip a tooth and strip. I recently got a 2nd hand A1 that the worm gear on the motor had essentially ground off the teeth on one side of the idler like a Dremel.
I've been wanting you to do a video on this for quite a while as I'd been considered getting the LB&SCR H2 instead of the LBSC H1 hoping to get some of the premium features of the GNR C1 which are implied to be included by the exorbitant price tag. You have save me a great deal of money and disappointment, and for that I am grateful. The work you put into these productions is to be commended and you provide us in the hobby with a useful service. Thank you once again for a very useful and enjoyable video. Cheers.
Yeah sorry this one took so long... it's lovely though, no doubt about it... just not as feature-packed as the Atlantic, and not worth the latest asking price! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Been watching your videos for a while now, and thoroughly enjoying your reviews, and all the other videos that you make... I have learnt a lot about locos, model railways, and even 3D printing... The main comment I want to make is the music you use behind the videos... I love the choices you edit in, nice and relaxing and "fit for purpose" every time... Well done and "big up's" to you... Well done on your Silver CZcams award, and your other awards... Try not to let the haters get to you, hard as that may be... Keep it up Sam...🙂🙂👍👍
You're probably going to be surprised to hear this, but I payed 280 canadian dollars for my copy of the H2 atlantic, but honestly, I wanted the engine and I can tell you, I still run it and love it to this day. Glad you got one to finish the trio of the Atlantic class engines for your collection.
Thanks Sam another informative review .I haven’t run mine yet ,it is in black , wish I got in southern livery now , it does look & run superbly . Keep up the great work .
With most retailers round 170£ - Hattons at 175£ ( !! ) and Olivias at 200£ !!!! - must come with a "up and personal" kiss or something ?? Not my price tag for a mediocre product. Anyway interesting and as usual honest review. Thanks for sharing Sam. Cheers
I think I remember hearing somewhere that the reverend Wilbert Awdry had originally intended for Henry from Thomas & Friends to be an H2 Atlantic, but the illustrator for the Railway Series misrepresented him as an experimental LNER 4-6-0, and later an LMS 5mt 4-6-0.
With regards the cab..the opening flap is a heat/glare shield to protect the driver I think, as opposed to a fire hole door. The firehole door is a flap, North Eastern style one.
Lovely locos. I have had H2 'Beachy Head' in BR early livery for around a year now and it performs really well. I think I paid about £130 from Rails and I run it with a 'Birdcage' set. 'Beachy Head' was the last Atlantic to run in Britain and was scrapped in 1958. Plans are afoot to build a new one from scratch; an old boiler was found, and I believe the framing is built.
@@SamsTrains hey Sam this engine was wilberts idea for Henry he was going to be this loco but because all the illostrtors getting Henry wrong wilbert stuck with Henry being a black 5
@@miloseal25 What do you mean by "who"? I'm confused, I talked about who already. Unless you meant what? But I also mentioned that too. I don't understand. But anyway, I'll clarify with more detail, from the start: The original idea for Henry by Wilbert Awdry (the original author) was to have Henry by a GCR Atlantic - designed by John G Robinson. This is what Awdry wanted, not the LB&SCR H2 Atlantic. But because of illustrator errors once the books were in publication, Wilbert Awdry ended up with Henry in his first build, which has no real-life basis, but is allegedly based on (fictional) flawed prototype drawings for the GNR/LNER A1. These drawings would've been created during the early designing process for the A1 class (similar drawings did allegedly exist for such a design). After the illustrators kept illustrating getting Henry wrong, Wilbert Awdry wrote Henry's crash in "The Flying Kipper" to rewrite Henry into an LMS Black 5 (or depending on your source, an engine extremely similar to a Black 5). This is what Henry in his rebuilt form is. Most people accept Henry's rebuild as a regular Black 5. I personally believe Henry resembled an a Black 5 to begin with, and over time was slowly rebuilt into a regular Black 5.
So, I'm not a model railway enthusiast, I'm a scale modeler by trade. However your vids are so entertaining! So after watching a few vids of yours I'm now subbed and look forward to seeing more!!
Interesting review Sam, thanks for sharing ... Loved the 'finally have enough Atlantics for one on each set of rails' ... one reason I haven't purchased one yet, despite really wanting one! Unusual that the chassis' a bit 'sticky' - I generally find Bachmann chassis smoother-operating than Hornby - despite the bushes or not. Al.
That's very true Alan... definitely could do some running sessions with those soon! Yeah I've got lots of fantastic Bachmann runners too... but without much consistency! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The Atlantic looks amazing! I love the wheel configuration along with the livery and detail it has! It would’ve been cool if this also had an opening smoke box door like the C1 Atlantic you reviewed 2 years ago! And speaking of it, I do like the bright green livery on that Atlantic than this one, but it still looks good!
Enjoyed your review, and the full asking price is too much. The Budget Rolling Road you did three week ago I purchased and found it to be good as you said. Thank you for finding it, and the cost of it is still good.
Like the other atlantics it's like an Italian sports car again. Yes it's flawed and a bit shaky mechanically, but it's absolutely gorgeous and you can't help but love it.
Hi Sam. My H1 "Portland Bill" uses the same mechanism. It can be a bit hesitant and needs the occasionl prod at times. Just reset all the tender pick ups and job done. Don't think they were doing much. Thanks for the info.
Excellent review of the Bachmann H2 Atlantic Sam 👍👍 I personally like the two Southern versions, but I like to get the BR black version as I like to replicate what I will be seeing at the Bluebell Railway own new built H2 Atlantic. Fun fact the Great Northern Atlantic was going to be Henry in the Railway Series. And someone has done one with Henry face in the front of GNR Atlantic. I hope in a few years time that you will visit the Bluebell Railway yourself Sam as you will see the newly built replica H2 Atlantic will be in steam.
TWO HUNDRED QUID!! It better be live steam then haha 😄 😆 😂 BTW yes a lner p1 does exist as you were wondering on stream. Also you and your sister sketch was brilliant, was she also the person who cracked your neck in the railwaymanship April fools video ? Because that was hilarious as well 😃👍
out of curiosity, do you ever 'upgrade' models once you've uncovered flaws? i.e. changing out motors (and or motor mounts), pickup systems or wiring and such like.. If you do, would you consider doing post-upgrade reviews and if you don't, would you consider giving it a try? with your FDM little helper I can't imagine fabricating your own mounts/hardware mounting systems would be too far out of reach, but regardless great videos and thanks for getting me back into the hobby after a decade away
I certainly do David - where possible... and where it's worthwhile! I do have a video idea in mind on how to do this... namely replacing Bachmann motors with any motor you like (in theory)... already made designs for new motor mounts! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains this would be a fascinating video. Branchlines models offer (or used to- I haven't checked if they're still trading) replacement motors (mashima) and worm gears. I used this to repower my Bachmann standard 4 tank many years ago. It helped. Years ago, Bachmann themselves offered their A1 locos with updated mashima motors. These ran really well.
Yeah I totally agree far to overpriced. I was initially happy with all my atlantics but as my knowledge of model loco's has increase I feel I got horribly ripped off with these. the cheapest one I got was south Foreland for 135 from the Modal rail Scotland event back in 2020. Bachmann are on a different planet now if they think they are being reasonable with their latest prices, its a shame. Thanks for review as always Sam, keep up the good work :)
Lovely video Mr Warwell! Have you heard the new Christmas song? It goes 'On the third day of Christmas Sam's Trains Live gave to me Wires, Sam's real name and a Chav mobile!'
Hi Sami love your videos. I just came back to watching them after a long time and I’ve been binging videos. I was just wondering, what kind of fake grass would I use for a layout, and how would I go about purchasing it? Thank you.
In your community post I talked about the value of model trains is my favorite part of HO/OO scale and then now you upload a video about the value of a model train ha ha
I liked the green livery on the atlantic H2 too bad that bachmann has not done the home work on how to make a good and service frendliy loco. Keep up the good work Sam. 👍👍👍👍🇸🇪🇸🇪👍👍👍
Oh good one Sam a beautiful southern loco in green just a shame I’m at the end budget for a new loco all the funds gone on a iPhone 13 oops. All the best for Christmas Sam regards Fred
Sticking just to the quality and value for money aspects (I am not qualified to comment on anything else), I agree with you 100% Bachmann need to be told that this is not what you should expect for £200plus! Standards need to be far far higher. After the live stream on Friday (thanks for the shoutout / birthday song), I discussed the idea of Bachmann / Hornby actually responding to your videos with my wife. We both agreed the only way to get them to notice is to cost them money, so come on people, do what Sam’s suggests and vote with your wallets! Best.
haha me neither really Adam - but yes I agree - after Dapol's Prairie has just been released for around £80 less on RRP, I can't see any reason why Bachmann's latest H2 should be over £200... madness! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Just looking at this review again at the end of November 2022 as I've just managed to get one from TMC for £120.00 in their black Friday sale. Hopefully it'll be a good runner, but it's certainly a very good looking Edwardian loco. Did look to see if they had any other of the Atlantic's but they only had sound fitted dcc ones which I don't need, but they were down to £200.00, which is a sight better than the normal £340.00 ish they are normally.
Enjoyed watching your review of this lovely locomotive. I agree the recommended price is far too high. About £150 seems about right. I can see loads of people falling in love with it and buying it anyway. Thanks once again for a very good review. Regards Paul.
I got a Wrenn W2237 4-6-2 Southern West Country “Lyme Regis” Loco - in Original Box for £125 from eBay after watching your review of this loco. You might like to make a video comparing Lyme Regis to a modern SR loco like this Atlantic in terms of speed, pulling power. I am pleased with my Lyme Regis and I found your review decided things when I saw the price! Thanks for uploading.
Hi Sam, I tried getting hold of one of these Atlantics from the model shop, but these were a special apparently and no longer available at £120. So I'm gonna have to spend 200 for the weathered Beachy Head version ( I live a mile or so from Bluebell Railway were a reconstructions being made) against my better judgement. The point of this comment is to ask you to state what date you buy each Loco you review please. Cheers keep up the good reviews
To think this is what Henry was originally going to look like had Awdry's illustrators not made him into the Stanier Black 5 that we know today...awesome video, Sam!
I've always liked Atlantics: they have a similar profile to Pacifics, without looking quite so bulky. And this one is indeed beautiful... just a shame it's so expensive!
Great looking loco, in real life and in model form, its a shame this one has a few issues, still lovely though, also, there has been a H2 in the works on the Bluebell Railway, I believe, for quite some time, and it's getting near to completion last I heard, anyways great review Sam, can't wait for more! -TheImperialDiamondSpinosaurus
Hey Sam, now you have 3 different types of atlantics, do you think it might be possible to do a what’s the difference video? Like, as lovely as they are, it’s not easy to tell them apart… what sets apart a C1, a H1 and a H2?
i bought the GNR "CI" right when it was released from "locomotion"....and it was and still is a fantastic model loco......i was tempted to get one of the southern variants.....but am glad now that i didn't...:-)
I'm not really a OO person but I have watched a few of your vids (good by the way) and it seems to be a common theme that they don't run properly, and OO modellers seem to accept it! I work in O gauge and many RTR models, often by the same manufacturers, also have the same issues. I would have assumed that the first priority for a manufacturer is that the model loco actually works! Perhaps this reflects the (too) cheap cost of both OO and O RTR models, and the subsequent corner cutting?
Nice locomotive and a very fair review Sam...... I couldn't agree with you more about the price and value.. Your £120 makes more sense than £200 plus....so you got a good deal........ Prices are starting to creep up more and more.......and obtaing goof VFM is something we all have to watch...... Just as an aside.........Accurascale are to bring out a new GUV in a year or so, and whilst it looks good, (in the review I have seen of the prototype), I am not sure that it is worth the likely asking price of £58.........yep! £58........ James Hennighan Yorkshire, England
Absolutely stunningly beautiful loco, possibly the most beautiful model in OO I've ever seen. This livery is, as you say, just so rich. If it looks right, it is right, as they say, and this is so right. £150 would be OK to charge for this I reckon, £220 is a bit of a swizz, really... Sprung buffers are the biggest dead cat ever, however, why do any OO models even have them? As an industrial and graphic designer I'm trained to make an informed judgement on aesthetics and this ticks all the boxes. If we don't buy the models the companies will either go out of business or only the rich will get to buy them. I always haggle in the model shop and always get a tenner off the asking price, but then I'm just a bit tight in the wallet :) The mechanism seems very poor and cheap'n'nasty, a three pole motor is not good enough bearting in mind how cheaply one can buy a five pole example from China these days and electrical tape looks like a bodge of the lowest and most desperate order. I think you do take things as you find them, without an agenda, so I enjoy your reviews a great deal and find other folks moaning quite amusing! All in all, I'm love with this loco a bit and I'm now considering which of my children I can sell to get one... (probably the ginger child) PS - I wonder if reaction to a review could be a new genre of CZcams video?
That sounds like it could be really interesting to see a reaction to a review of this. I know that the concept is very similar to TheRussianBadger and everyone that reacts to him, since at it's core Badger plays games (most of the time with friends), makes reviews about them (albeit without a rating system) where he talks about the good and bad about games and his personal opinion on it or aspects of the game like almost all of his RS6 videos, and people do reacts to his videos all the time
200 quid? Ouff crickey me dear aunt, you wouldn't like modern Trix or Märklin then, LOL! The C1 and H2 are lovely, the shape and paintjob are very appealing on them. Harmoinous, balanced machines. I'd get one if they were availible in H0... Do try get your hands on a Trix version of the Bavarian B VI class 2-4-0s sometime, Sam. Lovely things, those! I own two of them by Märklin and they are solid runners with easy maintainance and built like right tanks. Seriously, get one. *_Get one!_*
That shorted out capacitor will blow a decoder if you fit one! Otherwise Beautiful looking loco....... I got one Christmas 2019. Have you seen the "birdcage coaching stock" in Southern livery
Hi Sam, great review and I hope it will help modelling fans to think seriously about buying one at the railroad robbery prices the manufacturers are asking. A point to note is that they all quote the higher Chinese wages and brexit , and tax hikes to imports. Nah it’s their investors and shareholders wanting the largest amount of return for the lowest investment. The amount of models produced ( we are not talking about a hundred of the same model ) but a hundred thousand at the minimum, and those are not at the same time shipment, they are over a minimum of 5 years, and the actual cost to the manufacturers ( Hornby, Bachman etc ) is apparently 1 tenth of the cost, tax is relevant only to the local government it is sold at ( uk is far from perfect, but is better than others ) shipping is less expensive than the companies claim, and brexit rules do not apply to China. Unless they are stupid enough to arrange for transportation through Europe by road, rail, sea, as they will pay because the goods touch the ground?? And by the state of some of the models, they fell . It’s the usual corporate excuse to make more profit, especially as you are well aware that some of the models have been around for 10 + years ( being generous, as a lot of them have been around 20+ years using the same design and tooling) . Don’t pay out large amounts of hard earned money for items which are far too expensive. With the current situation, they will suffer even worse in the future if more restrictions and lockdowns are the normal. Well done Sam, highly recommended channel.
Import VAT hasn't changed. It's still 20%. There is no duty on model railway products. They say they had to increase prices because shipping container charges have gone through the roof. Funny how they didn't reduce prices when shipping container charges crashed through the floor a (very) few years ago. The other thing that increases prices is the exchange rate between the $US and the Chinese Yuan. The companies pay with $US. Models are not produced in a hundreds thousand minimum. There really is only a few thousand of each model produced. The model rail industry is very small.
Ah, the LBSCR H2 (and it's earlier variant H1). Basically a C1 with bigger (and far more efficient!) cylinders. Yes, the GNR Atlantics were good engines, especially after fitting with superheaters, but they needed to be thrashed to get the best out of them. LBSCR's offering did not need thrashing.
Sam, there is somthing to say about model trains, if the paintwork is not always the best looking or splattered, it may be sometimes a detail because then real trains sometimes have splattered paintwork too, Right?
Honesty is becoming rarer these days as everybody is just paid off! It may not be easy to be honest but it’s the reason you have more subscribers than any other model railway channel! Never change your honesty and integrity! ❤️❤️❤️
"Sam's Trains run of bad luck" is rapidly becoming an urban myth, so I'm so glad you called it out. You're one of the only reviewers I know who takes the time to look at the pros and cons of the mechanism in any detail, which I find really useful.
Haha thank you - it’s the favourite excuse of every brown nose... but it makes no sense and nobody takes it seriously 😂
Thanks so much for the support,
Sam :)
I wish manufacturers would put brass gears back in their locos, they would bed in and the loco would run smoother. More running in is needed, but the end result is worth it.
I agree! Some of my (very) old locos with brass gears still go extremely well whereas I have a Jinty with a shredded large wheel...
And it's made worse by the fact that all parts suppliers are perpetually out of stock of the replacement plastic gears
That's interesting - I don't think I've ever seen plastic gears get worn away... only ever worm drives! As long as they're reasonably well lubricated, I don't think plastic gears are a problem. Worm drives are different - much more force involved there... and most quality locos do have brass worms, which I agree with!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I specialize in buying used, so I've managed to get locomotives that "run but don't move" fairly affordable. Particularly with the Chinese hornby locomotives, they have that plastic (nylon) idler gear that seems to skip a tooth and strip. I recently got a 2nd hand A1 that the worm gear on the motor had essentially ground off the teeth on one side of the idler like a Dremel.
I've been wanting you to do a video on this for quite a while as I'd been considered getting the LB&SCR H2 instead of the LBSC H1 hoping to get some of the premium features of the GNR C1 which are implied to be included by the exorbitant price tag. You have save me a great deal of money and disappointment, and for that I am grateful.
The work you put into these productions is to be commended and you provide us in the hobby with a useful service.
Thank you once again for a very useful and enjoyable video.
Cheers.
Yeah sorry this one took so long... it's lovely though, no doubt about it... just not as feature-packed as the Atlantic, and not worth the latest asking price!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yours are the only reviews worth my time.
Another great review as always Sam 👍
Been watching your videos for a while now, and thoroughly enjoying your reviews, and all the other videos that you make...
I have learnt a lot about locos, model railways, and even 3D printing...
The main comment I want to make is the music you use behind the videos...
I love the choices you edit in, nice and relaxing and "fit for purpose" every time...
Well done and "big up's" to you...
Well done on your Silver CZcams award, and your other awards...
Try not to let the haters get to you, hard as that may be...
Keep it up Sam...🙂🙂👍👍
You're probably going to be surprised to hear this, but I payed 280 canadian dollars for my copy of the H2 atlantic, but honestly, I wanted the engine and I can tell you, I still run it and love it to this day. Glad you got one to finish the trio of the Atlantic class engines for your collection.
Thanks Sam another informative review .I haven’t run mine yet ,it is in black , wish I got in southern livery now , it does look & run superbly . Keep up the great work .
With most retailers round 170£ - Hattons at 175£ ( !! ) and Olivias at 200£ !!!! - must come with a "up and personal" kiss or something ?? Not my price tag for a mediocre product. Anyway interesting and as usual honest review. Thanks for sharing Sam. Cheers
Thank you for making this happen Sam
I think I remember hearing somewhere that the reverend Wilbert Awdry had originally intended for Henry from Thomas & Friends to be an H2 Atlantic, but the illustrator for the Railway Series misrepresented him as an experimental LNER 4-6-0, and later an LMS 5mt 4-6-0.
You've heard right.
With regards the cab..the opening flap is a heat/glare shield to protect the driver I think, as opposed to a fire hole door. The firehole door is a flap, North Eastern style one.
Lovely locos. I have had H2 'Beachy Head' in BR early livery for around a year now and it performs really well. I think I paid about £130 from Rails and I run it with a 'Birdcage' set. 'Beachy Head' was the last Atlantic to run in Britain and was scrapped in 1958. Plans are afoot to build a new one from scratch; an old boiler was found, and I believe the framing is built.
Thanks for sharing Andrew - and can't say fairer than £130... definitely worth that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The replica of beachy head is coming along nicely...checkout bluebell railway Atlantic project :)
Great video Sam, thank you 👍
One of my favourites, the atlantic. I recently got beachy head and its the atlantic getting rebuilt at the bluebell railway.
Have a good weekend
You have great taste then! And yes indeed - super exciting project!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ah, an Atlantic, I adore these types of locos, they're just brilliant
I agree - just amazing aren't they? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains hey Sam this engine was wilberts idea for Henry he was going to be this loco but because all the illostrtors getting Henry wrong wilbert stuck with Henry being a black 5
@@miloseal25 It wasn't. Wilbert's idea for Henry was a GCR Robinson Atlantic, not an LB&SCR H2 Class Atlantic.
@@PGW85Productions then who was it
@@miloseal25 What do you mean by "who"? I'm confused, I talked about who already. Unless you meant what? But I also mentioned that too. I don't understand.
But anyway, I'll clarify with more detail, from the start:
The original idea for Henry by Wilbert Awdry (the original author) was to have Henry by a GCR Atlantic - designed by John G Robinson. This is what Awdry wanted, not the LB&SCR H2 Atlantic. But because of illustrator errors once the books were in publication, Wilbert Awdry ended up with Henry in his first build, which has no real-life basis, but is allegedly based on (fictional) flawed prototype drawings for the GNR/LNER A1. These drawings would've been created during the early designing process for the A1 class (similar drawings did allegedly exist for such a design).
After the illustrators kept illustrating getting Henry wrong, Wilbert Awdry wrote Henry's crash in "The Flying Kipper" to rewrite Henry into an LMS Black 5 (or depending on your source, an engine extremely similar to a Black 5). This is what Henry in his rebuilt form is. Most people accept Henry's rebuild as a regular Black 5. I personally believe Henry resembled an a Black 5 to begin with, and over time was slowly rebuilt into a regular Black 5.
So, I'm not a model railway enthusiast, I'm a scale modeler by trade. However your vids are so entertaining! So after watching a few vids of yours I'm now subbed and look forward to seeing more!!
Thank you so much for the kind words - welcome aboard, hope you enjoy what's to come! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Interesting review Sam, thanks for sharing ...
Loved the 'finally have enough Atlantics for one on each set of rails' ... one reason I haven't purchased one yet, despite really wanting one!
Unusual that the chassis' a bit 'sticky' - I generally find Bachmann chassis smoother-operating than Hornby - despite the bushes or not.
Al.
That's very true Alan... definitely could do some running sessions with those soon! Yeah I've got lots of fantastic Bachmann runners too... but without much consistency!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The Atlantic looks amazing! I love the wheel configuration along with the livery and detail it has! It would’ve been cool if this also had an opening smoke box door like the C1 Atlantic you reviewed 2 years ago! And speaking of it, I do like the bright green livery on that Atlantic than this one, but it still looks good!
I agree - one of my favourite wheel configs! Lovely livery for sure :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Another top notch video stay safe👍
I've got
Bachmann Branchline 31-921 Class H2 Atlantic 4-4-2 32424 Beachy Head.
a very well detailed loco. the cab is especially detailed
Such a. Great vid can’t wait for the next
Atlantics looks so chonky and interesting I should make one out of Papier
Thank you so much - I sure love Atlantics! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
JESUS THANK YOU SAM I WAS WAITING A FEW YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
haha no problem - folks have been asking for this one! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
great review. tell you what, would love to see all three atlantics in a triple header, that would just look extraordinary.
Thanks so much! And that would be amazing actually - might have to make that happen some time!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Enjoyed your review, and the full asking price is too much. The Budget Rolling Road you did three week ago I purchased and found it to be good as you said. Thank you for finding it, and the cost of it is still good.
Like the other atlantics it's like an Italian sports car again. Yes it's flawed and a bit shaky mechanically, but it's absolutely gorgeous and you can't help but love it.
haha I'd definitely agree with that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think that’s the best looking loco in your collection that. So well proportioned
fantastic review. does anybody else take them apart and forensically examine the motors like this?
Hi Sam. My H1 "Portland Bill" uses the same mechanism. It can be a bit hesitant and needs the occasionl prod at times. Just reset all the tender pick ups and job done. Don't think they were doing much. Thanks for the info.
Excellent review of the Bachmann H2 Atlantic Sam 👍👍
I personally like the two Southern versions, but I like to get the BR black version as I like to replicate what I will be seeing at the Bluebell Railway own new built H2 Atlantic.
Fun fact the Great Northern Atlantic was going to be Henry in the Railway Series. And someone has done one with Henry face in the front of GNR Atlantic.
I hope in a few years time that you will visit the Bluebell Railway yourself Sam as you will see the newly built replica H2 Atlantic will be in steam.
Thanks so much Joe - I really like the southern ones too! Definitely... the Bluebell is on my list!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam ,Can,t believe Bachmann sent this loco out from factory. I suspect someone has done a repair on this loco .ie rounded off screw and soldering .
TWO HUNDRED QUID!! It better be live steam then haha 😄 😆 😂
BTW yes a lner p1 does exist as you were wondering on stream. Also you and your sister sketch was brilliant, was she also the person who cracked your neck in the railwaymanship April fools video ? Because that was hilarious as well 😃👍
That is spectacular video sam
Thank you Justin - glad you liked it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
out of curiosity, do you ever 'upgrade' models once you've uncovered flaws? i.e. changing out motors (and or motor mounts), pickup systems or wiring and such like.. If you do, would you consider doing post-upgrade reviews and if you don't, would you consider giving it a try? with your FDM little helper I can't imagine fabricating your own mounts/hardware mounting systems would be too far out of reach, but regardless great videos and thanks for getting me back into the hobby after a decade away
I certainly do David - where possible... and where it's worthwhile! I do have a video idea in mind on how to do this... namely replacing Bachmann motors with any motor you like (in theory)... already made designs for new motor mounts! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains this would be a fascinating video. Branchlines models offer (or used to- I haven't checked if they're still trading) replacement motors (mashima) and worm gears. I used this to repower my Bachmann standard 4 tank many years ago. It helped. Years ago, Bachmann themselves offered their A1 locos with updated mashima motors. These ran really well.
Yeah I totally agree far to overpriced. I was initially happy with all my atlantics but as my knowledge of model loco's has increase I feel I got horribly ripped off with these. the cheapest one I got was south Foreland for 135 from the Modal rail Scotland event back in 2020.
Bachmann are on a different planet now if they think they are being reasonable with their latest prices, its a shame.
Thanks for review as always Sam, keep up the good work :)
Lovely video Mr Warwell!
Have you heard the new Christmas song?
It goes 'On the third day of Christmas Sam's Trains Live gave to me Wires, Sam's real name and a Chav mobile!'
Thank you!! haha that sounds just right, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sami love your videos. I just came back to watching them after a long time and I’ve been binging videos. I was just wondering, what kind of fake grass would I use for a layout, and how would I go about purchasing it? Thank you.
I love the Atlantics. Such beautiful locos
In your community post I talked about the value of model trains is my favorite part of HO/OO scale and then now you upload a video about the value of a model train ha ha
Thanks for that Robby - I remember reading your comment! This one was good value, but only at the sale price!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I liked the green livery on the atlantic H2 too bad that bachmann
has not done the home work on how to make a good and service frendliy loco.
Keep up the good work Sam.
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i really like the atlantics i may have to pick one up someday amazing video -John
Me too John- I can highly recommend picking one up... the C1 is the best if you ask me!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Oh good one Sam a beautiful southern loco in green just a shame I’m at the end budget for a new loco all the funds gone on a iPhone 13 oops. All the best for Christmas Sam regards Fred
Awesome video today Sam beautiful modle today
I think you were generous with the Quality. Bachmann could be forgiven for other quality issues, but not the soldering!
Indeed, what a mess !
Sticking just to the quality and value for money aspects (I am not qualified to comment on anything else), I agree with you 100%
Bachmann need to be told that this is not what you should expect for £200plus!
Standards need to be far far higher.
After the live stream on Friday (thanks for the shoutout / birthday song), I discussed the idea of Bachmann / Hornby actually responding to your videos with my wife.
We both agreed the only way to get them to notice is to cost them money, so come on people, do what Sam’s suggests and vote with your wallets!
Best.
haha me neither really Adam - but yes I agree - after Dapol's Prairie has just been released for around £80 less on RRP, I can't see any reason why Bachmann's latest H2 should be over £200... madness!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Agree totally, but the rich children will have to have one of each versions. Lol , give them a piece of coal ( model Z scale) instead. 😝
Some how i knew this was new and i am always happy to see a steam loco
Just looking at this review again at the end of November 2022 as I've just managed to get one from TMC for £120.00 in their black Friday sale.
Hopefully it'll be a good runner, but it's certainly a very good looking Edwardian loco. Did look to see if they had any other of the Atlantic's but they only had sound fitted dcc ones which I don't need, but they were down to £200.00, which is a sight better than the normal £340.00 ish they are normally.
I've just received the news that "Beachy Head" of this class has just been out of the Works and starting her new life on the Bluebell Railway.
Enjoyed watching your review of this lovely locomotive. I agree the recommended price is far too high. About £150 seems about right. I can see loads of people falling in love with it and buying it anyway. Thanks once again for a very good review. Regards Paul.
Thanks a lot Paul - £150 would hit the spot, I agree!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I got a Wrenn W2237 4-6-2 Southern West Country “Lyme Regis” Loco - in Original Box for £125 from eBay after watching your review of this loco. You might like to make a video comparing Lyme Regis to a modern SR loco like this Atlantic in terms of speed, pulling power. I am pleased with my Lyme Regis and I found your review decided things when I saw the price! Thanks for uploading.
Wow, not a bad price at all! And that sounds very interesting - nice idea! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thomas the Tank Engine and the Henry prototype (Railway Series) were both from the LB&SCR (E2 and H2)!
Hi Sam, I tried getting hold of one of these Atlantics from the model shop, but these were a special apparently and no longer available at £120. So I'm gonna have to spend 200 for the weathered Beachy Head version ( I live a mile or so from Bluebell Railway were a reconstructions being made) against my better judgement.
The point of this comment is to ask you to state what date you buy each Loco you review please. Cheers keep up the good reviews
good vid sam thanks lee
To think this is what Henry was originally going to look like had Awdry's illustrators not made him into the Stanier Black 5 that we know today...awesome video, Sam!
Yeah that's true actually... I'd prefer Henry as an Atlantic! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Awsum review 🚂❤️👍👍👍👍👍👍
I've always liked Atlantics: they have a similar profile to Pacifics, without looking quite so bulky. And this one is indeed beautiful... just a shame it's so expensive!
Great looking loco, in real life and in model form, its a shame this one has a few issues, still lovely though, also, there has been a H2 in the works on the Bluebell Railway, I believe, for quite some time, and it's getting near to completion last I heard, anyways great review Sam, can't wait for more! -TheImperialDiamondSpinosaurus
Yeah overall relatively minor complaints... great model, and well worth what I paid! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam, now you have 3 different types of atlantics, do you think it might be possible to do a what’s the difference video?
Like, as lovely as they are, it’s not easy to tell them apart… what sets apart a C1, a H1 and a H2?
i bought the GNR "CI" right when it was released from "locomotion"....and it was and still is a fantastic model loco......i was tempted to get one of the southern variants.....but am glad now that i didn't...:-)
Yes that's the one I have too... amazing locos for sure!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm not really a OO person but I have watched a few of your vids (good by the way) and it seems to be a common theme that they don't run properly, and OO modellers seem to accept it! I work in O gauge and many RTR models, often by the same manufacturers, also have the same issues. I would have assumed that the first priority for a manufacturer is that the model loco actually works! Perhaps this reflects the (too) cheap cost of both OO and O RTR models, and the subsequent corner cutting?
Fun fact: The new build H2 is almost finished. In fact, the engine itself is finished, it just needs the lining finished, and a boiler test!
I do love that southern liverery
Nice locomotive and a very fair review Sam......
I couldn't agree with you more about the price and value..
Your £120 makes more sense than £200 plus....so you got a good deal........
Prices are starting to creep up more and more.......and obtaing goof VFM is something we all have to watch......
Just as an aside.........Accurascale are to bring out a new GUV in a year or so, and whilst it looks good, (in the review I have seen of the prototype), I am not sure that it is worth the likely asking price of £58.........yep! £58........
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
Mr.Sam, I am still waiting for when you decide to get a BR class 28 from Heljan, and just a heads up, some fully work while others go slowly.
Yes, all scrapped. But! A brand new one has been built and is in steam on the Bluebell Railway!
Absolutely stunningly beautiful loco, possibly the most beautiful model in OO I've ever seen.
This livery is, as you say, just so rich. If it looks right, it is right, as they say, and this is so right. £150 would be OK to charge for this I reckon, £220 is a bit of a swizz, really...
Sprung buffers are the biggest dead cat ever, however, why do any OO models even have them?
As an industrial and graphic designer I'm trained to make an informed judgement on aesthetics and this ticks all the boxes.
If we don't buy the models the companies will either go out of business or only the rich will get to buy them. I always haggle in the model shop and always get a tenner off the asking price, but then I'm just a bit tight in the wallet :)
The mechanism seems very poor and cheap'n'nasty, a three pole motor is not good enough bearting in mind how cheaply one can buy a five pole example from China these days and electrical tape looks like a bodge of the lowest and most desperate order.
I think you do take things as you find them, without an agenda, so I enjoy your reviews a great deal and find other folks moaning quite amusing!
All in all, I'm love with this loco a bit and I'm now considering which of my children I can sell to get one... (probably the ginger child)
PS - I wonder if reaction to a review could be a new genre of CZcams video?
That sounds like it could be really interesting to see a reaction to a review of this. I know that the concept is very similar to TheRussianBadger and everyone that reacts to him, since at it's core Badger plays games (most of the time with friends), makes reviews about them (albeit without a rating system) where he talks about the good and bad about games and his personal opinion on it or aspects of the game like almost all of his RS6 videos, and people do reacts to his videos all the time
Hi Sam.. you do realise the bluebell railway has the Atlantic project n are currently building a replica of h2 beachhead 😊
Hey, here's a video idea:
Review the hornby freightmaster set
Sam! It is Worth the money (In my opinion)! Also, did you know Henry from Thomas and Friends was originally supposed to be the H2 Atlantic.
That is super cool isn't it? If only his character was an Atlantic... that'd be awesome!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
200 quid? Ouff crickey me dear aunt, you wouldn't like modern Trix or Märklin then, LOL! The C1 and H2 are lovely, the shape and paintjob are very appealing on them. Harmoinous, balanced machines. I'd get one if they were availible in H0...
Do try get your hands on a Trix version of the Bavarian B VI class 2-4-0s sometime, Sam. Lovely things, those! I own two of them by Märklin and they are solid runners with easy maintainance and built like right tanks.
Seriously, get one. *_Get one!_*
I'd love to get my hands on one, but the price is a bit too high for me
I hope Hornby does a railroad model, or another company for cheaper
I don't blame you - price a bit silly on these now sadly :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I got that loco version on first release of the H2,
That shorted out capacitor will blow a decoder if you fit one! Otherwise Beautiful looking loco....... I got one Christmas 2019. Have you seen the "birdcage coaching stock" in Southern livery
Sam please review the bachmann skarloey im getting it into my collection
Hi Sam, great review and I hope it will help modelling fans to think seriously about buying one at the railroad robbery prices the manufacturers are asking. A point to note is that they all quote the higher Chinese wages and brexit , and tax hikes to imports. Nah it’s their investors and shareholders wanting the largest amount of return for the lowest investment. The amount of models produced ( we are not talking about a hundred of the same model ) but a hundred thousand at the minimum, and those are not at the same time shipment, they are over a minimum of 5 years, and the actual cost to the manufacturers ( Hornby, Bachman etc ) is apparently 1 tenth of the cost, tax is relevant only to the local government it is sold at ( uk is far from perfect, but is better than others ) shipping is less expensive than the companies claim, and brexit rules do not apply to China. Unless they are stupid enough to arrange for transportation through Europe by road, rail, sea, as they will pay because the goods touch the ground?? And by the state of some of the models, they fell .
It’s the usual corporate excuse to make more profit, especially as you are well aware that some of the models have been around for 10 + years ( being generous, as a lot of them have been around 20+ years using the same design and tooling) . Don’t pay out large amounts of hard earned money for items which are far too expensive. With the current situation, they will suffer even worse in the future if more restrictions and lockdowns are the normal. Well done Sam, highly recommended channel.
Import VAT hasn't changed. It's still 20%. There is no duty on model railway products.
They say they had to increase prices because shipping container charges have gone through the roof. Funny how they didn't reduce prices when shipping container charges crashed through the floor a (very) few years ago. The other thing that increases prices is the exchange rate between the $US and the Chinese Yuan. The companies pay with $US.
Models are not produced in a hundreds thousand minimum. There really is only a few thousand of each model produced. The model rail industry is very small.
A very nice 4-4-2 Loco Sam 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Ah, the LBSCR H2 (and it's earlier variant H1). Basically a C1 with bigger (and far more efficient!) cylinders. Yes, the GNR Atlantics were good engines, especially after fitting with superheaters, but they needed to be thrashed to get the best out of them. LBSCR's offering did not need thrashing.
The Brighton Atlantics were very heavily based on the C1s to begin with so it would make sense tbh. They're just an upgraded version of the C1 IMO
@@18EStudios Agreed. Douglas Earle-Marsh was at the GNR before he became the LBSCR's CME, and was a personal friend of both Ivatt and Gresley.
Me: sees an Atlantic🧐
My Wallet: how foolish😂you know you can't afford it😂
Nice locomotive. I was wondering when you would review a Roco train set?
That sounds great - Roco is definitely one I'd like to try one day! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, there is somthing to say about model trains, if the paintwork is not always the best looking or splattered, it may be sometimes a detail because then real trains sometimes have splattered paintwork too, Right?
Some also appeared in Bulleid's Malachite green.
@ 24:09 Wow that’s feels like something that would happen off Thomas.
Looks good, I really like British steam engines.
Me too... this is definitely one of the nicest looking ones! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Atlantics a beautiful (tho I much prefer 4-8-2s and 4-8-4s) I gotta say nice model!
You know Sam, that type of loco made the first 100 mph speed run here in the states.
You've lost your slippers again, haha better than my mums which just got chewed up by the dog 🐕 haha 🤣 😄
l love the suthern green and l think is sutis
One question though. Did you check the price for the same type of locomotive in the states, because when I bought one it wasn't too expensive.
It's a heat shield in the cab, to protect the legs of the driver, and not a opening firebox door. Also where are the steam gauge and other gauges?
so sam, any idea why they don'tsqew wind the 3 poles like the getter 5 pole sqew version, it should minimize cogging, just an idea and easy to do
hey can you do The L&YR class 21 or pug with 10 plank wagons of your chosing and the queen mary brake van
I think it is worth the money it looks like a really nice locomotive, I do like Atlantic’s especially the LNER versions.
Thanks for sharing David - it's certainly worth what I paaid!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The family's nearly together! All we now is someone to do the Ivatt "Klondykes" and the family of the Ivatt/Marsh Atlantics would be complete.
Oh I'd love that - would be nice to have the set! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
hello! so i bought the hornby valley drifter for christmas as a complete starter set. is it ok?
Hola buenas tardes excelente video te mando un abrazo grande
It's beautiful sam 120 qiud is bang on 👍
There is a new build H2 Beachy Head nearly finished at the Bluebell Railway.
Yeah absolutely - I've seen a few videos of that... looks lovely!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
So, what’re you gonna use this loco for on your fleet?
The bluebell railway is building a new one of these, it will be a replica of Beachy Head and is quite far along.
They are indeed - cant' wait to see how it turns out! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)