350 Legend vs 450 Bushmaster - How Many Milk Jugs???
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- 350 Legend or 450 Bushmaster??? Which are YOU picking???
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That 350 doesn't expand much ... basically acts as a solid. It's no wonder it shot straight through. The 450 is a beast ... 450 all day, every day (unless you just want less recoil)
I had the .450 first, buying an upper after wanting one for years. Took a few deer with it. Then when the .350 came out, got one as well. Long story short, I sold the .450 and all the ammo I had for it, and continue to hunt with the .350. Mine likes to shoot the heavier bullets. It doesn't cycle well with the 145 gr or 150 gr loads. Perfect deer AR if your shots are under 150 yds.
Love the 350 legend. Drops deer quick and is very accurate at shorter ranges.
Absolutely, the 450 BM is more of a Hawg round, or a fk around round
I always love the milk jug tests. That said, the Federal loadings for the 350L has poor terminal performance. The Winchester PowerPoint 150 and 180 grain loads dump a lot more energy. That feller on Social regressive has a ton of videos on the 350L and he gel tested it at various ranges. The Federal loads were one of the worst performing loads, as far as expansion and dumping energy. The wound track wasn't impressive either. Now this might be a great load for larger animals, such as black bear, elk, maybe even moose, but not suitable for deer. The Hornady loads were so-so. Same with Browning loads. The PowerPoint loads dumped a ton of energy and left very good wound channels and did so even at 200 yards. I would snag a box of the PowerPoint loads and give those a try, I bet between the paper plate test and milk jug tests, the results will vary quite a bit.
Hey Adam, great video. "I" think the difference in the distance of penetration is due to the fact that you 350 Legend ammo is a lead soft point, whereas the 450BM was a hollow point bullets. The hollow point is going to expand more which slows the forward progress of the bullet. If you could find some 450BM lead soft point ammo, then redo the test, I think you would have significantly more penetration. I have both of those calibers, my 450BM (and 458 SOCOM) are on an AR-15 platform, and let me tell ya... you know when you've shot those rounds!! lol. Bill
Lack of expansion on the 350 = extreme penetration.
I would think (and this is just my opinion) that if the 450 BM round that was used wasn't a hollow point and was a solid soft point like the 350 legend. I believe that they would have done the same. Since the 450 was a hollow point it just expanded faster like it is designed to do. Federal does make a 300 grain in a solid soft point and I'm sure it would blow through all 7. Again just my opinion.
Absolutely with you on this
It’s the same when he did the comparison with 50Ae and 500 smith and Weston , the 50 Ae ammo was a large hollow point and close to 120 grains lighter than the 500 s&w round which was a heavier jacketed flat nose lead point
Compassion was even on the same page
Agreed!! My son took a blk bear in Canada using the Hornady blk box ammo that has a Ballistic tip. He shot it in the front shoulder and the round exited the rear hip on the opposite side.
I agree. 450 bm clearly has more power. I like that he used the same ammo brand and label though. Both of these would take care of a deer and the 450 hp would do more damage to a deer than a soft point 450 would. The 350 could have benefited from a hp bullet, but the soft point gives it reliable penetration for a large deer.
@@patrickliston9595sure it can go through a deer but, I think I'd rather have the more expandable round for deer so it would do a little more damage to the vitals.
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The results were what I expected. Both are great cartridges and each one does well in its suited application. The .350 Legend is a smaller diameter and lighter projectile and I would expect a higher velocity and ballistic coefficient allowing for greater range and penetration than the .450 Bushmaster. There is also the price point for ammo.
The .450 Bushmaster is a heavier projectile with possibly a lower ballistic coefficient and is useful for up to 150 yd. shots where one needs all the energy dumped into the target. Ammo cost for the 450 is higher for store bought, but very reasonable if one reloads.
Both are great cartridges and a Godsend for those who live in previously rifle restricted states that are now allowing rifles with straight walled cartridges.
The 350 legend reminds me of shooting fmj ammo, no expansion and just keeps on trucking
Exactly which could mean insufficient stopping power and losing wounded game.
@@PassivePortfoliosunless you go for high shoulder shots,some folks swear by it. I personally go for the vitals 🤷🏻♂️
The 450 Bushmaster did its job at expanded it's obvious that the 350 Legend Never expanded that's why it went all the way through the milk jugs I'd go with the 450 Bushmaster for deer
It's the load not the caliber.
The 350l bullets that I’ve seen videos of, haven’t opened up. Might as well be a fmj
Yea the 180 grain does that. 150 grain deer expands very well within a few inches
@@alivia4907 good to know
I have shot both, but i will keep my 450 bushmaster. Absolutely devastating on deer. If you are recoil sensitive go with the 350 legend. I live in southern Michigan and we are straight walled rifle cartridges down here or shotguns. My 450 hasn't let me down yet, I have shot over 20 deer with it and not had to track any of them.
It would be cool to see the expansion of the a 350 hollow point. Maybe the defender ammo or other brand
From what I've seen on the 350 legend it doesn't seem to expand. It seems to compare to full metal jacketed bullets.
You're right on that one I tend to think if you hit a deer with it that dear would run quite a ways before it would drop
That's just the ammo he's using. If he used the Winchester 150 grain plastic tip, they expand like crazy.
@@alivia4907 so it might have stopped in one of the milk jugs
@@mrhamburger6936 I shot a mature doe and a 10-point buck this past season with my AR and 350 legend I used the Winchester deer season XP and both expanded I recovered both bullets on the opposite shoulder just under the hide.
@@mrhamburger6936 probably 5 or 6 is my guess.
I like the 350 legend and this test shows what I've seen in ballistic gel , that 180 grain really penetrates deep without much expansion. I like the 150 grain much better....for deer anyways....great video hoss....
Much larger frontal area on the 450. Disperses it’s energy due that I’d guess.
i would be very surprised if the 350 expanded...looks like it acted like an FMJ
Those Federal loads aren't great at expanding. Better for large game but not smaller game like deer and such, the Winchester loadings will be the way to go.
It’s a soft point
Holy shit that 350 is violent
Always fun watching you splode stuff with large calibers. Thanks for another fun video!
I'd like to see you do some bullet testing with Winchester deer season XP in 450 bushmaster.
Same brand of ammo, but completely different bullet types
Dang, thank you!
Hmm, I wonder if it has to do with the construction of the bullet. There is a lot of jacket supporting the soft point, so I wonder if it only expands a little, then just drives through everything.
Great video, thanks!
Interesting video
I am building a upper for my AR in 450 Bushmaster , as I know how a 250 or 300 gr bullet will harvest deer
I have a TC Contender in 357 Max
It works well on deer also
In simple terms the 350 Legend is a 357 Max and the 450 Bushmaster is a 45/70
But made to work in a AR15
Don't know much about the 450 but I sure love the 350 legend on a black tail hunt in Oregon I hope I get to try it out only a day and a half left no luck yet.
Hello from Oklahoma! Good Video! Looks like Federal has a winner with that 350 legend round.
The new barnes vortex tsx 170 grain are the best all round bullett ive found. Amazing penetration and expansion in the water test. I captured both shots i fired. .605 inches expanded and 169 grains all in tact after fired at 50 yards water jug test. 24 inches of penetration
Both would be good for Hogs! but I like the 350.
350 legend is one nice round. Just out last night getting the nephew ready for this weekend youth hunt. He was shooting 1.5 moa at 100 yards.
Nice, let's see what kind of expansion these give ya. Thanks WTW.
I have a 450 bushmaster in a Bushmaster AR and shot a big doe at 210 yards dropping her in her tracks. I recently bought a 350 legend in a Savage 110 trail hunter but haven’t hunted with it yet . I’m in Southern Michigan we’re straight wall cartridges is required. Btw love your videos
I'll take the 450 Bushmaster any day love the Bushmaster
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If the 350 legend ammo went through 7 jugs it means it’s a crap hunting round. Hunting rounds you want to expand and release most or all of their energy inside the animal. That’s basically a fmj.
Hollow point vs soft point just saying
That 350 legend got some boogie! 😳👍
Very impressive. I have both calibers in the AR15 platform. Will have a AR15 458 Socom soon.
We love these old milk jug videos. Can u test out a cheapy-cheap ghetto slug(that a cheap target Shotshell that you empty out and drop a .69 lead roundball right into the shotcup and close it with wax or just fold the crimp back down.
We shoot and load these but never seen them tested)
Good ole water jug video
Adam That 350 Legend is a powerful round for it's size.. I hammered 2 Roosters today with the Sweet Sixteen O/U. Who tee who.
The 350 is the 243 of the straight wall world. Low recoil and gets the job done no problem.
After watching this video and the one with the 30-30, maybe your next stop should be Alaskan Brown Bear or a big moose. I would love to join you for that hunt with my trusty Willow Switch, but my grandson used it for toasting marshmallows on Labor Day and it turned to Ash, which is better for baseball bats than it is for Bear hunting. Anyway, I am really impressed with the 350 Legend.
in the past couple days Ive seen some 350 Legend comparisons and it has shown to be a very potent round, despite some haters out there that say its under powered and a useless round yada yada . seeing is believing and I believe the 350 Legend is a very good round, and I like the fact that there is a huge variety of bullet grain weights to dial in your gun with.
It might be a good round but the 180 grain bullet in the test failed to expand like it is supposed to. Could mean losing a wounded animal.
That was pretty dang cool 😎
Congratulations on your Speed Goat
I think the available 450bm black ammo is better hunting ammo. I’ve got both and I’d go 450 for anything other than small game
I think either one of these is a bit over kill for small game lol
@@Racecar367 I’ve never seen a coyote that was too dead:)
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@@jeffhuntley2921 😂 that is true
That Federal 350 legend load would not be a good round for deer or hog in my opinion, to much penetration and not near enough energy being dumped into the body of the animal which is what causes the animal to expire almost immediatley.
Now, for Buffalo, elk, moose, bear or maybe really huge hogs... yeah the particular bullet would probably be OK.
Personally, for deer or hog and Id say the reat I mentioned here also, I'd rather have that 450 Bushmaster since it delivered more energy on the target with the better expansion which controlled the penetration to a more suitable amount for most North American game.
If ai had the 350 Legend I would be working up a load using more fragible boolit for less penetration and better stopping power by way of more tapid expansion when hitting the target.
Great video as always.... keep up the excellent work sir.
350 Legend like the ol Max is lethal!! 450 bush is next level. And unless you have 300 yard shots as your regular hunting distance who freaking cares…. BOTH of these are lethal and you won’t be able to kill you deer deader!
The 350 needs to be redone in a core lokt tipped to create more expansion, and I would to see this test redone with 10-12 jugs !
Excellent penetration on the .350 Legend, enjoyed watching WTW!
Whether it's paper dish or water jar, 350 Legend always penetrates better than bigger bullets! Impressive!
I have been seriously thinking about the 350 Legend and even have bought ammo so I am commited been looking at a CVA Cascade
Ive taken 2 deer with the .350 both full pass through both shoulders. Its so accurate that ive decided im filling my doe tag with a neck shot this year.
That's why I will be loading xtps for my new 1 to hunt with
450 all day long.
I've never shot 350 legend, and had no idea it was that vicious.
I have a 350 and really like it. Have looked into getting a 450 buty ammo is alot more pricey. So I have held off since this video their is now a 400 legend tust jusy came out and it sounds like it could be a a very promising round at a 40 cal 10mm being right in tye middle these two! 👍🏻
Maybe you should consider taking your 350 Legend on your upcoming bison hunt. The hunting guide picks up your bison kill with a wrecker, that's used to pick up cars.
have you ever done the 35 whelen vs 7mm magnum be a good one thanks for posting
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Some 350 legend bullet sometimes doesn't expand do expansion test.
I haven't shot either of these rounds but I really want to get the 350 legend. From everything that I have seen and read about this round its absolutely amazing. The more that I see the more impressed that I am with it. That being said I would like to get the 450 bushmaster as well, the 450 is a shirt distance freight train and would make a great backup gun.
Can't go wrong with either load but the 350L is a real joy to shoot. I built my upper late last year and I enjoy shooting it. Ammo is not too pricey and it's easy on the shoulder. Great for beginners and the experienced.
How does the 450 Bushmaster stack up against the 45/70 ????
different bullet sizes, .450 uses .452" bullets, .45-70 uses .458" bullets, there are less bullets available for the .450 that work well with its velocity.
Also, the .450 is limited in velocity due to case capacity, as well as factory loadings being tailored to the ar15 action, a handloader with a bolt gun can squeeze a couple hundred more fps out of it..
I load a Hornady 225gr ftx bullet for the. 45 long colt at about 2450fps, for my bolt action, it smacks the crap out of a deer.
If the industry wants us to shoot more then they need to make an 250 and they can call it what they want but I would think a good name for it could be : infamous , notorious , incognito , etc . Although I think if they made a similar bullet for the BM as the Legend or even more rifle shaped it would probably go through a dozen of those jugs . Although we truly don't know how many jugs the Legend can go through as it went through all those jugs you had there . I think this test was a little about bullet shapes , piercing bullet vs wad cutter and soft point , which the 350 clearly didn't expand as much as it should have as I think it should have stopped in the 3rd or 4th jug vs whatever the BM'S bullet is ( maybe fmj flat nosed ) .
Love watching ur vids bc and they helped me on deciding to build my 350❤👍
i would like to see the hornady black 250gr FTX used in the 450, i feel it would go through all of the jugs and paper plates, but ither way the 450 has a lot more knock down power than the 350 !
Awesome video again !!! Thanks you're the best
The 350 failed to expand but the 450 expanded nicely.
How about an accuracy test on targets between the 3:50 and the 450 just to see which one of them groups better some place between 100 and 150 yd
Good time on the range!!!
Good testing. Thanks for the video.
Ya all better not use that 350 legend for home defense because it will go thru about 8 walls before it stops a block down! Good video idea lets see how many walls it will go thru!
Well it looks like we failed in this video. You didn’t catch the .350 legend in any of the 7 jugs. The .450 bushmaster however was a success as it was stopped in the number 5 jug. Good video, however just how many jugs will it take to stop the .350?
Soft point is not the same as a large hollow point. Bushmaster put 100% energy into the target.
Big fan but the same ammo is not the same. Need hollow point/ hollow point or soft tip/ soft tip
.350 Legend does have several bullet designs available for hunting. But I don't know of any one is making a hollow point. With its penetration power, a holly point would be devestating
Winchester makes a 160 grain hollow point I got a box for 350 legend
The difference of one that opens and one that doesn't
Have you dine a video on the 30 super Carry
Would you please do a gel test comparing 7.62x39 (soft point) to 30/30. I have a AR 7.62x39 and and love it. Thanks
It is with the waterjugs the same as with the ballistic gel:the .350 bullet does not open properly, it behaves like a FMJ!!
Hunting with it would be a bad idea!
Great video 👍👍
From what i have seen in other videos the 350 wont expand it act like a fmj and only way they could stop the bullet is they put a board in the back of the ballistic gel block to stop it and the bullet did not expand and the butllet looked like you could shoot it again
The loading, not the caliber. Federal for the 350 is a no go in my book. Winchester loads are the best of the commercial loadings for the 350 and they expand well.
The .450 will kill on one end and cripple on the other! It makes things real dead. That said, I have 2 bolt guns in .350 legend, Winchester XPR and a Savage 110. I live in southern Ohio. I shoot 165 Hornady hand loads at 2250 from both. I have taken multiple deer each year since the caliber came out. All dropped on the spot. No kick, no muzzle blast, makes things dead, what's not to love.
Thanks to you Who Tee Who for bringing us more fun from your bing bangs and milk jugs. Just the cost of milk nowadays makes this a expensive really fun video. 💪🏽🎥💯👍🙏🏻
Hey Joel! Appreciate you bigtime
@@WHOTEEWHO can we have a hard drive challenge? 556 vs 350 Legend etc?
The 450 is a tank but the 350 was the champ yesterday,🤔
Koo.... inserting cartridge closets into freedom flingers will get your trigger puller retainer blocks slapped. Ce bareful
Looks to me that the 450 kills deaderer than the 350.
Perfect! I was between the two rifles. Now I know which one I will get. Thank You WHO_THE_WHO!!!!!
I'm thinking the 350 is good round but .....dont .... Expand good? Bout 4/5 jugs stops a 06 .... Might need to make the 350 alittle softer?
If the 350 Legend made it through 7 jugs that tells me it didn't expand and the fact the bullets travel path remained relatively straight is further indication of a lack of bullet expansion
All things being equal a bullet with a smaller frontal area will almost always out penatrait a bullet with a larger frontal area
.358 vs .452 is a significant difference in frontal diameter
Now add in one bullet with much larger flat frontal area vs a much smaller conical front area and not only isn't this an apples to apples comparison but one will unquestionably out penatrait the other and no guessing which one
IMO it is essentially pointless to do a bullet penatration comparison test using two completely different bullet designs and significantly different weights.
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Question Hoot....the box of 450 Bush says 300 gr hollow point. The 350 Legend box says 180 soft point. Later in the video you mention they are the exact same bullet. Therefore, if the 450 was an HP we would expect what we saw of the round - mushroomed. So naturally the Soft Point is going to penetrate more than a HP, right?
Correct sir
Don't they make 350 Legend hollow points?
Yes, that's what I'm using for deer season this year
🔥 always love this matchup
Eh brother, you need to get some of my companies 160gr Cutting Edge Raptor rounds for the legend. Only at scheels at the moment but, man its a devastating round...
Edit: we also do the new 395gr subsonic SubX for the 450 bushmaster. Both 350 and 450 are excellent short range engery dumbpers...but 450 is king for 200yd or less
What's the company name?
@@scoyounger Choice Ammunition
We are located in the Bitterroot Valley in Montana. 100% handload Ammunition
@@koreyhayden1368 there should be some over here in the tri city area of Washington then. Keep an eye out!
@@garypollard9770 sounds good!
I'm torn on 350 or 450 for my SHTF rifle caliber .. 🤔. After using 5.56 in Afghanistan to each there own but that caliber isn't good enough 🤣
Better test would be both at 100 yards. Most people don’t have a chance to shot an animal at 15 yards.
Someone needs to make a 9mm civil defense 3k fps type of super light round for the 350...imagine the speed you could get if you dropped it down to 40-50grains. ....and the transfer of energy that size case an bullet would do on initial impact 🤣
could someone explain to me how to field dress and cook a milk jug?
Poor bullet performance for 350. Unless you want a solid. I had a 356 that did the opposite, bullets were blowing up before complete penitration on deer took 3 shots to put down a doe. None made it through 3 lung shots. 200 grain. At 75 yards. Many years ago.
I just saw that smith and wesson is msking a 350 legend revolver. I know you're not a rich man but that has to be amazing. 7 shot btw
The 450 would be my choice how ever i really like .50 bea wolf 👍
sectional density
Putting 3 telephone books duct taped together behind the water jugs will catch a bullet or freezing the last water jug.