Saving A Locomotive: Coaster 2103
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- Welcome back to our series looking at Coaster F40 locomotive number 2103 at the Pacific Southwest Railway Museum! In this second part of the series, we will talk with museum president Stephen Hager about all the work it took to bring this locomotive to the museum. From start to finish, the entire journey is included. The video concludes with a discussion about what the museum has planned for the 2103 as well as other items in their collection.
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It’s so awesome that they saved a Coaster F40. Can’t wait to see 2105 in action at its new home. ❤
It is indeed! Thanks for watching!
@@CoasterFan2105 Your welcome! Also I sent a invite on Instagram if you haven’t seen it? My Instagram account is the same name as my CZcams channels name.
@@CoasterFan2105 What if it fueled by bio-diesel, or natural gas!
2105 is still in storage
Wait They Preserved 2105? Where Is It?
This is awesome how a CZcamsr is able to make such big history in preservation. You struck gold. Really brings relief to me that these Coaster locomotives will live on.
Hoping that someone will come along and also acquire one of the old SCAX Metrolink F59PH’s if they still have any stored around somewhere
Totally agree.
Campo deserves all the credit on this one. They put in all the work to negotiate with both NCTD and the California Air Resources Board to secure the locomotives and prevent them all from being scrapped. My role was mostly with the 2105, but I'll go into much more detail on that when the locomotive is moved to the museum and I put together a video on that project, hopefully next year.
@@CoasterFan2105 awesome!
I will never forget that cab ride and looking and seeing you standing there. Thank you to Stephen for his tireless work and successfully acquiring and saving these engines.
Great video Mike! It’s really great to see all of our friends going up in the railroading world! Stephen is the person who will save and grow the PSRM.
Thank you, Chris! It's pretty neat to see how things have progressed with everyone over the years.
I am so happy that all the Coaster F40s were saved. Scrapping them would've taken away so much history like they were just toys to throw away and erase from history.
I am aware they'd still be remembered but it hits way differently when all examples are gone from in-person viewing.
I hope 2101, 2102, 2103, and 2105 stay preserved and will be in museums. Scattered around but at least saved from scrap.
The Coaster F40PH will forever live on and so will their legacies
Awesome video with Coaster F40ph 2103.
I remember San Diego to Oceanside long time ago about Coaster F40ph 2103 northbound. 🙂
Thank you!
I remember seeing the first toy trains galore when I first watched this guy. The memories I have made by watching these videos. Thank you, Mike.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the videos.
Can't wait to see 2105 when it's ready!
Thanks, Austin!
Well done for saving 2103 and 2105
Happy Friday, Mister Mike Armstrong ! !
Love this video Mike!! It's great they were able to obtain the locomotive!!
Thank you, Sam! Yes, it is!
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I am so glad 2103 and 2105 got preserved. Also the video was very informative and detailed. Thank you Mike for the awesome coverage on 2103! I hope one day to see 2103 in operation for myself.
I think in the next 20 years, they will get a lawyer and the lawyer can volunteer some time to the museum and find a way to make 2103 legal to operate in museum service. Then they will be able to get a waiver from CARB.
@@colinsplaymobilchannel5032 we can only pray
F40ph spirit still lives
Indeed!
It was great seeing 2103 when it was on the Will Ayers memorial train
Hearing about the hopes from the beginning, it’s very fulfilling to see videos coming out about the Coaster F40s in preservation. Good stuff Mike!
Many thanks, Alex! Glad you enjoyed it.
Happy Friday ! !
Keep 'Em Coming, Mister Mike Armstrong
Wow! Great catch, thank you.
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Amazing video on 2103! This is some historic locomotive well preserved!
Indeed! Thank you!
Beautiful locomotive
That is is!
Mister Mike Armstrong, HAPPY "EARLY" Christmas, By The Way
NICE
Thanks!
@@CoasterFan2105 VERY GOOD COASTERFAN2105
Fantastic video❤❤❤😍😊
Thank you!
No problem😊😊❤
An interesting video about the F40 Coaster 2103 and the museum. A great museum route and lots of locomotives and railway carriages. Thanks for sharing and have a nice weekend. Best regards
Thank you, Wolfgang. Have a great weekend.
Ah, the classic F40PH
It's nice to see a video about 2103s journey to Campo and you documenting it very well Mike! I liked the interview with the president you did of the museum! Again another GREAT video by you! Enjoyed every min of it! woohoo! :)
Many thanks, Dean!
Keep Up The Awesome Work, Mr. Armstrong
Many thanks, Kev! Will do!
For the first time, I wanted to ride on a cab ride on 2103. 😍 🥹
Cab ride video should be here next month and you can get your own cab ride in 2103 next time they run it at the museum!
Glad only a few of the locomotives are being saved!
Very interesting information about the 2103 and the museum. Thanks, Mike!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for explaining about coaster 2103 and thank you for a another good video
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video!
The president of the museum forgot to mention that is where a segment from there goes a train was filmed when they went down there to talk about the museum and had to say the day and stop engine 2104 from hitting a car on the tracks
Hahaha, that would be my error for not asking about that.
The Amtrak P40DC from There Goes A Train numbered 801 is owned by the Keewatin Railway Company in Manitoba Canada and has been renumbered 2507. P40s 802 803 and 839 are also going to the Keewatin Railway Company as well.
I still saw the 3001 and 3002 engines until 2023 and I just recently published a video of one at Encinitas last year.
Fantastic work!!
Thank you!
I am still very thankful to see two ex-Coaster F40s saved, especially considering your effort to get 2105 saved! While 2103 is no longer operable at this time, it still knows how to put on a fantastic show. I hope the same will go to 2105 once it goes to its new home.
The coaster F 40 is my favorite locomotive train with the best horn and best bell and the coaches to
I can't say it enough another absolutely fantastic video once again and thank you for sharing. Enjoyed watching all the cool catches and scenery. Have a wonderful rest of your Friday and upcoming weekend.(Steve)
Thank you very much, Steve! Have a great weekend.
Your welcome and thank you also.@@CoasterFan2105
And also Mike I’m your biggest fan
Thanks so much!
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Was wondering what happened to the other 3 f40s. And ngl I wasn't surprised they'd end up not being preserved like 2103 & 2105. I'm hoping to return to the Orange County Railway Museum in the future so I can see 2105 and 5704 and possibly VC 2 once it's back from its rebuild. Still, I wish the PSRM good luck in getting 2103 running under its own power again in the coming future. It'll be a big and costly project, but I'm sure they can get it done, alongside other projects including finishing the restoration of 2-8-2t Coos Bay 11.
The other 3 units are still sitting at the scrap yard. At this time, I'm not sure what will happen to them but there's a good chance they will eventually be parted out. Only time will tell.
@@CoasterFan2105 My mistake, but thx.
Personally I think the locomotive was fine the way it was but when the other 4 were stored maybe the museum should go back and pick up some of those older bn and atsf locomotives those deserve to be in a museum too
Fantastic video
Thank you, Evan!
@@CoasterFan2105 You are welcome, Mike!
It's Colin's birthday tomorrow, I cannot help but wonder if this was intentional, Mike. Thank you so much, we absolutely love you!
You're very welcome! Hope Colin had a very happy birthday!
Great video, 2103 is save F40's Locomotives on preserved.
Thank you!
Thanks a lot for the show!😇
No problem! Thanks for watching!
@@CoasterFan2105 You're welcome
My friend named SDNX 2103 do ride Coaster F40PHM-2C 2103 too!
You'd think the state could grant an exception to the museum to operate the engine with a 645 heart in it. What a freakin waste to see that block cut up for no other reason than to satisfy some silly letter of a really unfair/silly law. Maybe a lawyer could volunteer some time to the museum and find a way to make 2103 legal to operate in museum service.
No, they need a waiver from the California Air Resources Board (CARB).
It really is silly.... you know the F40 has to be greener than the ancient SP loco they were pushing it around with. LOL
It would be nice to see a Coaster F40 running again at some point. Hopefully, some sort of agreement can be reached between the museum and CARB at some point in the future.
Interesting video film 🎥
Thank you!
I'm first plus you should own that Locomotive like 2103 and 2105 as your own locos ❤
As fun as that would be, I think both museums are much better equipped for caring for a locomotive than I am!
I can't wait to go to campo now!
Wow that's so cool mike! Hopefully you'll donate Coaster F40PH 2105!
Thanks! Coaster 2105 has already been donated to the Southern California Railway Museum!
@@CoasterFan2105 no problem! And that's awesome!
I know Stephen Hager said that they want to make 2103 run under its own power, but they a waiver from the California Air Resources Board (CARB).
Hopefully!
Nice Video!
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Thanks!
awesome
Thanks!
I'm here early I guess
Thanks for stopping by!
This is nice!
Thank you!
Great video Mike!
2105? its preserved too
Yes, 2105 is in safe storage awaiting transport to the SoCal Railway Museum, which they are currently anticipating to be some time next year.
@@CoasterFan2105 Cool!
I actually enjoyed that 🤩🇺🇦❤️
Thanks for watching!
2103 :)
Nice man wonder if the rest will be saved I would love 2104 to be saved one of my favorite F40PHs
Thank you! My guess is probably not unfortunately, but you never know.
Paint the F40 in the war bonnet Santa Fe scheme. It’s not prototypical, but why not?
Will miss 2101
What about coaster 2105 is it safe at a museum?
2105 is in safe storage right now. If all goes as planned, the permanent track connection construction should begin first part of next year and it should move to the museum when the connection is finished.
If the museum wants to have more people visit, they need to have an operating steam locomotive, SP 2353 was their operating locomotive until it needed work. Now they probably dont have a shop facility to maintain a steam locomotive and i get that. Maybe the museum could reach out to FMW Solutions to see what needs to be done on 2353. And in the future, maybe build a shop complex capable of maintaining a steam locomotive. Besides that though, Coaster 2103 will greatly benefit the museum even though not operating on its own power.
The issue with the 2353 is that there is a hairline crack that runs the entire length of the boiler. They have more info on their website about it but to make a long story short, they examined it 15-20 years ago now and even then, the estimates for a new boiler were approaching half a million dollars. They want to get the locomotive running at some point, but the issue is raising enough funds to be able to do the work. Unfortunately, steam is a very expensive business.
@@CoasterFan2105 understandable, I'm excited for steam trains galore 11!
As a donation to a museum it should be left as it was without destroying the power unit to preserve history. The government is heartless
Hopefully, there will be a path forward to an operational restoration in the future. I am at least happy that CARB was willing to work with the museum to remove the scrap requirement from the grant.
Mike where were you? And where dose that train come from?
Cmon California. It can’t run without tier 4 standards but it’s fine to be pushed by a Gp-9??? Regardless great work to get it to the museum
You know when 2105 going to SCRM? Is it still at that yard in Anaheim?
Since this unit was built by MPI (Motive Power Incorporated, aka.........the former MK: Morrison Knudsen of Boise, Idaho) wouldn't that make this the first MPI/MK locomotive saved and in preservation?
It may very well be. The only other examples might be MK rebuilds, but I don't even think any of those are in museums.
good video mike, i have a question, do you have the clip of the horn intro amtrak 822?
Thank you! Yes, that video clip is in a few different videos on the channel.
oh well, what name of some video? :)@@CoasterFan2105
I'm pretty sure there's a clip of it at the end of Passenger Trains Galore@@FERNANDO.____.
ty so much@@CoasterFan2105
I watched the video, Saving a locomotive: Coaster 2103. You got me laughing at the "olfactory" part, they got their own smells ... It's not because it's unbelievable, it's because while I don't go smelling them where I live very near to two live tracks, something clicked fast in my past experience as an airplane engineer. Those airplanes also have their own smells, sounds and shapes. And when down to one or two elbows or armpits in engine work, after a while it occured to me, that which was in the air and sometimes right under my nose, they have their own scents. Someone said he wanted to bottle that leather, oil, and gas from an old warbird's engine. When those smells, sounds and shapes can't be maintained, it irritates, especially people closely involved in them and those who've come to live it again in a museum.
I only ever smelled exhaust lingering from the tracks into my home two times since moving by them over a year ago. Or maybe I just thought there was that. So, pollution wise, that's saying something for what happened to me living as close to a busy road. If those rails outside my place were to be paved over for a major trucking route for all that's moved now, I'd be relocating, the noise would be too consistent and it would likely be grey here. However, the sounds, yep, there are plenty of those coming from these locos, which have their obvious differences in shapes. I can sometimes know what lead is approaching by engine, bell and compressor sounds though sometimes there's more than one up front to make it hard to tell. And I'm no expert, I just see and hear them and various rail cars around eight or more times through day and night.
Here's what I can say about serious modifications from my years as engineer. One day, I was doing a repair on a Cessna Caravan. It has one PT6 - Pratt and Whitney engine - turboprop mounted on the nose. Those airplanes are fine. Those have their own this and that. It's the way they are, as I've known them to be. I had previously worked in another company with DH Beavers and Otters. Those have a round or radial engine - I think I recall also Pratt and Whitney - for sure piston mounted on the nose. And someone called to me, "Quick, come see, quick, you'll miss this!" I got off the Cessna and ran to the door of the hangar. And I saw an Otter belonging to another nearby company, with a sore look to it. It had been modified to mount a PT6 engine. My heart sunk. It wasn't right. I said, 'Oh, I'll just go back to the Cessna now.' I'm retired these days, not current in matters of that industry, but I look at things on the Internet. I recently saw a Douglas DC-3 on Internet with two of these PT6s or something of that sort in the place of its two round Pratt and Whitney engines mounted on the wings. I had also worked with DC-3s in the earliest years of my career and seeing that, nope. If the old bird can still fly, so should it's old engines. However, I once saw something on Internet about shortage of parts including exhaust parts for those engines. That may explain some companies' need to change, but some people want to revive supplies for some things, maybe someone is or will be doing this for these DC-3 airplanes because many have useful working life still in them. There are a few kinds of old Douglas piston airplanes still flying up north and some fly in other countries, they have two to four round engines.
I think some enforced and strongly encouraged changes are hitting some of the wrong people and industries. I heard that Avgas will also become short supply because it's less used for all the turboprop and jet engines being used with jet fuel. Well, that Avgas smells cleaner than auto gas, I'm not sure there's much of a dent in pollution. It also doesn't make me sneeze, itch and become less aware of my surroundings as auto gas does. I chose this more intense and more demanding mechanical career because of my allergies and the jet fuel proved also safe for me while the odd time I encountered diesel for ground carts it didn't seem to harm me. Why can't we keep using the good old dependable and simpler piston airplanes and make some more of them in place of making these more complex jets and keep their gas flowing? And just clean up the various fuels we use in everything including both these two gasses, jet fuel and diesel?
Oh, ships, especially those big cities on water. Huge cargo ships with big crews and cruise liners with big crews and bigger passenger counts. I heard some ships can be using the dirtiest fuel, someone said fuel oil. It's also diesel. And when they dock, especially those cruise liners, they can be running all the time to keep systems such as electricity and water on. Maybe all ships can use cleaner fuels in cases of some using something harsher and maybe they all can plug in and pay for electricity when they dock for hours or days, helping the economy where they stay a while. I'm not opposed to more serious changes there as long as those ships also don't become - harsh word - scrapped because of the fuel they use.
And this California problem. Do they see these locomotives move more people and even more trailers and containers then buses and trucks can move? On another California problem, I recall a weirdo thing that happened maybe 15 years ago. I bought ten little split rings from a hunting store and saw a "health warning" from "California" on the bag. I thought, if these need that warning for exposure just for putting them on fishing lines or even for use on keychains or jewelry, they shouldn't be sold. It's like I should return or toss them right away. Aren't they steel? I still have them and I am still alive. And it goes on with other objects California doesn't approve of but enjoys importing and exporting or otherwise benefiting from even so. I recently read about that engine modification ruling for locos and it's just another of the bizarre things coming from California. Scrap and buy new. Companies owning them are frustrated. Maybe they could've eased things a bit, ask the companies using them to first attempt to modify what they can and respect those working at it, help them in the costs and ask those companies to repair or build track access towards museums' tracks to better offload what they can't modify and government put money into museums to help buy and repair some of these. And also leave the museums to go with what they get since that's not the everyday and long-haul use of those locos. Maybe California could buy some of them and send those to countries too poor to buy them so they can lessen buying less efficient transportation such as buses and trucks. Or just get off this attack plan where it may not do as much good as they think. Making more locos can't be the greatest plan either, I've seen places producing steel parts and more complete things from steel and other metals as well as from other materials and there's sometimes a yellow or other coloured exhaust coming from those places, that's scary stuff. Somewhere, there's that happening, maybe not under California's sunshine, but someone's got to work and live where these manufacturers produce day and night in one spot. Oh, is scrapping a clean way of doing things? Torches?
And Siemens. I think that company needs a museum. Okay, that's all I'm going to say.
Anyhow, it's great you did something to save 2103 for much of what it was designed to do, too bad you couldn't save more of the five though 2105 gets saved. I hope you try for and get the rights and finances to finish this one to put it under its own original power or same as that from an equivalent engine to be it's old self though. That would be even more right. Was that hole cut to disable the engine? As you indicate, doing something with a different engine isn't in the plans, it won't be the same. That's maybe not riding behind it though when there's a different loco between and doing the noisy, ah and smelly activity while blocking the view of this one. That's not to say the other loco isn't as important, but maybe they need their own showings as the rail cars get. I mean, I'd find riding in one rail car as another rail car is the featured item a bit unusual in my experience of both.
However, it is encouraging and impressive your visitors can get that ride up front in 2103, that's where I'd be booking in no matter which one of your locos is the featured item. And that may be harder for an airplane museum to do.
aint no one reading all that 💀
What's the plan for 2101, 2102 and 2104?
Why can’t older locomotives in California continue operating if they are not upgraded to tier 4? Because Caltrain is overhauling their MP36 locomotives and they aren’t upgrading them to tier 4 and altamont corridor express is planning on rebuilding their older F40PH-3C locomotives and some other commuter rail agency’s in California are still operating older locomotives that aren’t tier 4
It's a very long story and I could probably better explain the whole thing in a video but basically, the State of California has a grant project for railroads called the Carl Moyer Grant. Essentially, the state gives a railroad some money to purchase new diesel locomotives that are EPA tier 4 or better and in return, the railroad must disable the locomotives being replaced. The exact terms of the grant vary by region within the state.
@@CoasterFan2105 oh I see well that’s definitely understandable and I totally agree there
Now if someone would be able to preserve a Amtrak Downeaster NPCU that would be badass.. but that probably won’t happen
Hey CoasterFan2105 is this the real reason why you didn't save EX Amtrak F40PHR unit 369???
No, I was not directly involved with the 2103 project. Unfortunately, the 369 is not a very feasible candidate for preservation and restoration. It was purchased in the early 2000s by a locomotive parts and resale company in Ohio and stored outside for the last 20 years. It has been in poor condition for a long time with a number of parts missing. Just to move it out of the scrapyard and across the country to a museum would probably cost on the order of $50,000. But even before that, you'd probably have to spend $60,000 or more to purchase it from the scrap company. There are a lot of other locomotive types that aren't preserved yet that are in better condition that you could get for that price. And then when you get it to the museum, you'd probably have to spend a minimum of $100,000 to $200,000 to stabilize and cosmetically restore the locomotive. It would be nice to see saved, but there are currently 3 Amtrak F40s already in museums and it would be pretty cost prohibitive to save for any museum, unless a donor came forward with $300,000 and really wanted to see that particular locomotive preserved.
@@CoasterFan2105 OK.
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i mean the SP Geep isn't tier 4 but they can operate it, why can't they rebuild something to a lesser standard?
So engines 2101, 2102, and 2104 are scrapped?
When will we see Coaster number 2105
The goal is second half of next year. Construction on the track connection to the museum should begin fairly soon.
Who wants to preserve a santa fe C44-9w and a southern pacific C44-9w
I want!
It's really too bad that the museum is bound by agreements to not operate it under its own power. That hole that was cut in the airbox in the crankcase of the engine with a torch could easily be cut out of another donor engine and welded back up assuming that there are no holes anywhere else and that the prime mover has no other underlying issues. EMD prime movers are designed to be repairable! Repowering to make it tier 4 compliant would undoubtedly be very cost prohibitive. I hope some day to see it running and loading under its' own fire!
It would be great to see a Coaster F40 running again. They still have a lot of life left in them, even with the cosmetic deterioration from running by the sea all those years. Hopefully, there will be a path forward in the future.
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Could it be converted to natural gas?
Could also be converted to Battery Electric, just like Wabtec does.
What happened to 2105?
Currently being stored while the museum waits for the track connection to be completed. The goal is for that to happen some time next year.
Can you send a metra train galore,you can get more subscriber for that.
I've done a number of Metra videos ad will definitely be doing more in the future!
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