Incredible Thermal Optics from Steiner: The CQT and the Cinder
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- In this episode of TFBTV's #GunFest2021 coverage, James Reeves speaks with Steiner about their new optics for 2021, including the video-game like CQT, a thermal and RDS combine dinto one (ten thousand dollar) package.
According to Steiner on the CQT:
"The Close Quarters thermal is a see-through thermal sight with Clear View Thermal technology that overlays onto a direct view of the real world. Designed for soldiers to use in close quarters combat, the CQT™ with CVT™ is the next gen for predator hunters. See hogs and coyotes in full dark conditions. Thermal to identify; red dot to target. The rugged anodized housing can withstand any kind of hunt in all weather conditions."
We also discuss the Cinder, a more hunting-oriented thermal optic.
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how much will i not be able to afford these?
edit: alot
@@joshuagibson2520 Exactly... They could sell one for $3300 instead of $3500... WAY better.
It's not too bad of a price, about the same as a brick of 5.56...
@Rob Hunter would rather them focus on more interesting higher end niche stuff than the same old boring low-mid range AR and carry pistols that everyone already sells
@Rob Hunter It doesn't matter how much the product costs, it matters how much money they get out of the deal. It just so happens that the more expensive firearms are also the ones who pay the most; and that's because they rely so heavily on advertising to get them sold. The odds of you running into one in the wild is rare. Where as kel-tek, they are very common everyone does videos on them and you probably know at least one friend that owns one. So they don't need to advertise as much, so they end up paying less.... but what the hell do I know, I just made all that up.
@@calholli 3300?
3300 is a third the price of this.
MAP on this sight is 10,000$.
The fact you thought this would be 3500 and Holosun can't do cheaper is representative of you being an idiot.
*I'm going to buy one with all my GameStop Bucks.*
@@joemo1033 yeah, the SEC will be calling soon.
Its not real until you sell. Once you sell, its not real until you transfer it to your bank account. Just don't do it more than $10k at a time.. because the IRS is notified automatically when you do. Just saying... unless you love being audited in your rump by the IRS
I'm sure he's joking.
STONKS
@@joemo1033 Robinhood............ yeah go look up who owns that outfit, and who runs NASDAQ, and who the hedge fund managers are. A LOT of echo, if you catch my drift
This is way better than shouting over s crowd at shot show
Agreed
Steiner out here pulling a chad announcing that 10k price tag. Meanwhile the virgin Century didn't want to price their MP5
Lol plot twist century pulled a chad too
Atlantic is listing the ap5 at $2800
@@bufordj6458 holy fuck I didn’t pay but 3k for my hk mp5 years ago and although it’s always been a fun toy as soon as I built a 7.5” 300acc ar pistol it’s just sat in the safe the mp5 sadly is past it’s prime there’s just better options for compact sub guns like vector , AR pistols DI and piston…
@@JoeWayne84 I did the same. People who overglorify the MP5 typically never owned them. At the end of the day, it's just a big pistol. Glock is a better "SMG" platform. I only have a 9mm upper basically as a trainer as it has more recoil than 5.56, but is only 5 cents per shot to shoot with cast bullets. Plus the majority of my practice the past decade has been on GBB airsoft which can be used at the airsoft fields which is what I attribute as improving my gun handling skills the most.
$10,000?? I can get almost a thousand rounds of 9mm for that!
Buy the 9mm boxes now, sell them later, pocket half the profit and spend the other half on this optic.
Lol
The Civilian mill spec is only 1 thousand not bad for thermal
Pffft whee you getting that deal?
@@Kenny-bj2zq James said $3500, not 1000.
I remember being bored in the armory. I picked up a thermal scope for the 240B. It said on the side of the battery pack, “use ONLY lithium batteries.” Me being the overachiever private that I was, found 12 AA alkaline batteries to put in it.
It turned on and I could watch the battery indicator go from completely full to completely empty in under a minute.
It probably didn't go to empty. Lithium tends to hold the nearly full voltage and then just die. Alkaline batteries tend to fade off like a dimming incandescent light. The problem is a lot of LED technostuff uses transistors with cutoff voltages. The transistor is basically a switch or a pressure valve. If it has a 3.3V threshold, for example, and your lithium batteries are holding 3.5 for a while but your alkaline start at 3.5 and drop to 3.2, well, that transistor doesn't let the current flow. You could take those same batteries and use them for a while in a regular flashlight. But anything with this transistor model wouldn't come on becausee 3.2 < 3.3 required. Interestingly, I use rechargeable AA in my Blink home cameras. From the word go they show low battery. But they still work. Eventually they'll be below the threshold voltage and then I'll just recharge them. I guess the Blink knows that if lithium is basically anything less than optimal, it must be "low battery" but in fact these rechargeable batteries still have plenty of mAmp-hours in them. That said, anything that projects light or creates heat will suck up the juice.
lithium is 3.3v per cell AA's are 1.5v per cell. so you were only ever at 50% charge so to speak from the very get. Which was JUUUUSSSSTTTT enough to light it up, as you experienced.
While there is no way I can afford them, I have a lot of respect for them offering all the cool gadgets to the plebeians
Dirty Civis Unite!
@@brenton9492 Buddies 4 Brokies!
"Wow this is really cool, oh 10 grand you say?"
*heartbroken poor noises*
Just ride a bike .... and take out a 4 yr loan on the thermal
This will go perfectly on my 40 watt plasma rifle
gamestop stonk profits = CQT cinder for me hahaha I wish
If someone kicks your door in at night, it's because they are there to steal the optic off your AR lol
This is straight out of an 80s sci-fi movie and I love it
I heard someone say recently that the new era of small arms Isn’t going to come in the form of a new weapon system, but in the advancement of sighting systems and ammunition. Glad to see it’s happening.
3:40 am watching a review on a $10,000 optic and hoping $DOGE hits $1 😂
You would have lost less money buying these optics.
Don't want to be this guy... You'll still need a white light on your rifle. If you can see the outline of a person in your house but you can't identify who they are or if they are armed then white light is still needed. However this does definitely give an early advantage. Very cool.
Nope good call dude. Also these things take a couple of seconds to boot up.
if you have need of something like this, you probably allready expect to be confronted with the worst.
@@JamesReeves didnt expect to see you as Lawyer James here :D
@over it let it burn its "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" but close enough i guess :)
We'd have to see what the highbpowered overlay looks like maybe it's a lot clearer I would still keep a white light on just in case esp for liability reasons
Oh damn, I was waiting for the budget version of the budget version
Bushnell has a monocular for $500.
@@thystaff742 THAT sounds better
@@DinoNucci Correction, it's night vision, not thermal.
thanks
Thank you
I want the V.A.T.S (outline) mode on the civvie model. For $3500 it should be included
Came here because this thing is on sale from palmetto for $4500…I still can’t afford it, but it’s close enough to hurt a bit more lol. Just built out an awesome takedown AR pistol with suppressor in 300 blk and this would be the perfect optic for it.
PSA has the CQT on sale for $4500 today only! That is actually how I learned of their existence and found this video
haha thats why im here, and to realize i still cant afford it lol.
Me too, except it's 8 months after your comment and it's now $500 less 3,999.00
@@Azsc2011 lol! I noticed that too
@@scottgoldfarb95 I still couldn't justify 4k after building 3 bang bangs for independent day. 😂
See you guys in 2025 when I won't need to trade my car in to get this.
on the CQT, 10 grand is super expensive but this thing is super cool. reminds me of harrier which has a thermal mode for the HUD if I remember correctly, pretty smart to adapt that system for a rifle.
can't wait to see where this technology is in 10 years, hopefully better battery life and a lot cheaper lol.
In ten years, if they don’t have an affordable thermal with a Bluetooth from the sight to a clip on HUD for whatever glasses you are wearing then the industry is shit. End of story.
@@stuckgrenadepin.225 Perhaps. But we would all do well to remember optics don't always work that way. I mean, shit, look at the EOTech 512. System is over a decade old, and still near 500 bucks for the basic bitch.
@@lifeliberty9235 he's got a point, missed market. Great opportunity for private manufacturers
Sig Sauer thermal, is way better I think at around 3k.
James could sell me anything after seeing him be such good buddies with Cody Wilson.
Obviously a technology in its infancy but it’s still super impressive
Bought some 10 power Marine Steiner binoculars last year, they are so fine! Never had nicer optics.
LSAT + Target Finder🤣🔥
This deserve more likes lol
The intro song is the James Reeves version of the Mary Tyler Moore Show intro music. The James Reeves Show.
One step closer to VATS.
Video assisted thorascopic surgery?
@@sparkysparks288 Vault-Tec Assisted Targeting System
@@vancegustavo7867 I approve of this fallout reference 👌
I'd do strange things for that CQT
I absolutely love seeing so many space-age like advances in the firearms field. What I don't like? The initial price point. I trust that in 15 years the prices on these sorts of things will be sub $1000 and maybe then I'll buy one.
Welcome to computers. And phones. My first horrible computer was over $1000. 128KB ram. That's "K", not "M", and surely not "G". Phone calls were 25c/min for long distance. You bought cell minutes in 100 minute lots (when cell phones became affordable). My understanding is that a big expense in a lot of thermal is the germanium glass. Tech gets cheap quickly. They say our iphones (even gen 1) was more powerful than the computers on the space shuttle. So the tech (electronics) in these optics isn't the expense. It's the lens, and maybe the initial R&D. Remember, the cost of an item on the market also pays for the ones that never made it to market.
That new Holosun ain't looking half bad now is it?
I’m looking forward to the T-Rex Arms review of the mil-spec version as a backup offset optic.
All joking aside, I’m actually looking forward to that review.
Just thought the same thing 😂
That Intro-Outro music makes me think Smashmouth is about to say they might as well be walking on the sun, until the trumpets start, and then I think someone put Pixar’s “The Incredibles” on the TV.
Legendary Steiner legendary thermal optics
Will the first one fit on my g45?
Can't wait to slap this on the PSA Dagger Micro 🤙🤙🤙
Not gonna lie that’s some cool kit
Maybe I'm asking for something we've seen before, but I would have liked to see the other modes on the CQT especially since the civilian model doesn't have the outline mode.
When he said to use it as a defense optic, that thermal outline mode can only inhibit your ability to identify actual threats. Imagine this: you hear someone in your place, thermal outline shows someone sneaking around in the dark. You shoot, turn on the lights. It's your kid trying not to get caught for sneaking out.
You absolutely cannot cannot count on any thermal for defense. Would be cool for hunting, depending on what kind of effective range you can get out of it.
very very well said
You identify your target location and then turn on the flashlight to identify target before shooting.
So, the red dot basically adds 6500 to the price, lol.
You can literally buy brand new DT WP nods. Or 2 flir breach's/ 1 1/2 Andres TILO-'s tfo
That outline mode is legit predator vision, what the actual fuck...
Welcome to the future boys
I feel like James might not have been the best choice for talking about the CQT.
I do the best I can. Wish we had someone who knew a pissload about thermal to tag out with me but I can only work with what little I have to bring you guys the news. :-[
@@TFBTVShowTime it’s okay king
Take my money!
This is on sale at palmetto for $5,000
Does the cinder have cross hairs or do you pair it with a scope?
Why can't i find the Cinder on your website and other websites say it is discontinued?
So it geotags so it gives YOUR location as well as the target
That’s pretty damned impressive! What range does it pick up a thermal signature? Can’t wait for these to get some more development n come down in price.
And size
This is on sale at palmetto for $5,000
Bunch of cool shit that nobody I know will ever afford. Im sure we'll get to see it on movies.
Wonder if the civilian vs can be put on a shotgun 🧐
My favorite cut by far: The finger.
These are all cool but somebody needs to build a bare bones thermal optic. I don't need something that films my hunt while simultaneously creating funny memes it automatically uploads to the cloud, ranges my targets then shows me the best restaurants nearby for a post hunt party, gives me sixty three reticles in each of 7 colors, has GPS and air brakes, automatically calls my friends on their birthday, shows me the tidal charts of every country with a coast, roasts hotdogs and diagnoses what's wrong with my effin' Atari 2600!
I need something that gives me an affordable, quality thermal image with a reticle....thats it. I can't afford anything else. I probably can't even afford what I'm describing but I sure wish someone would at least build it.
Where's the Tylenol!
Reading through the comments, looking for a reply like this! Why must they put all this extra "gee whiz" crap on their product? Oh yeah, marketing....
K.I.S.S...Keep It Simple Stupid ! Love the CQT. Would love to have one. But $10K, no sale. Now the Cinder, (PSA running a sale at $2K) I almost would do. But the whole GPS, Google (our friend) on my gun, yeah, I'm not a fan.
Make a straight up thermal sight with a cross hair, nothing else, and I'll be interested.
The Steiner ICS was also adopted as the DMR optics for the beretta ARX 200 DMR for the italian army.
Cool, but what about target identification?
Looks like it might be difficult with that green overlay.
I need a shoulder mount for my predator cosplay
I have the R1X red dot and Mk4 battle light...it gives you the same warm tingly German engineering feeling my BMW M3 had.
Love these videos!
Thermal is cool as hell but in an HD situation you still absolutely need a white light for positive target ID. Can’t recognize your kid from their heat signature alone
I can identify my wife. She's hotter than anything else around her.
I'm going to show her I posted this. Should be a good night.
I see a lot of folks saying how they can't afford this stuff. Guys, as cool as all this shit is, if it doesn't fit into your mission, don't waste your money. I mean, whoo hoo, it's a fancy optic that has thermal vision. It's not something that you absolutely, positively *NEED,* unless you have a specific purpose for it. So don't sweat it, or put yourself into debt just to have some fancy range toy you're going to use maybe twice before you realize "shit, I could've bought more ammo with the amount of money I spent on this bitch."
Besides, if you gotta ask how much this shit cost, you can't afford it in the first place. YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT.
Throwing shade at popping smoke
Incredible. I'm still impressed by the binoculars.
Hmmm I would like to borrow one for a expensive range weekend and see how much I like it . Do I 10g like it ?
So, can I buy this model being its mil spec while we wait on the civilian model ?
woah, just saw this. gonna get one now
we are in fallout universe, only a matter of time before we get vats
I have 4 sheets of plywood to trade, even Stephen!...2021 yall! Woooooo!
I'm honestly having trouble justifying buying an optic more expensive than my whole rifle or even the whole kit.
Don't be confused, this is for the gov.
Lol when you gave us the middle finger!
How is the hud in the red dot going to show up against day light? Bright reflections off snow? Really cool tech, I’m surprised it took so long to see this idea come to market. Even my goofy ass thought of something similar to this years ago, just didn’t have the time, money, or skills to make it. Still glad to see someone did. Hopefully the cost comes down too.
I could never justify that price as I am a cheap bastard, but even if I could they lost me me completely at google maps. If google is still on top in the next few years, we have failed as a society.
@9mm Weiner a ballistic calculator like the Burris eliminator would be alright. But I agree on the wifi. No thanks.
Add this to the list of cool things banned in California. 😒
This intro music...stellar!! Please continue! 🍷
It’s 2021. Why is thermal technology so expensive??
Cool, now make a good red dot
Wish we had guided target lock rounds already
DARPA had a guided .50 that used pezo actuators to steer. If you start seeing a lot of little drones on the commercial market using those actuators to move around, then that's them making a justification for mass producing the actuators which need mass production and economies of scale to be cheap enough to shoot into your enemies.
Incredible
So, as basic dot sights and LPVOs become cheaper and more prolific, sights like these, and other offerings like have integrated rangefinding and ballistic computers are going to slide into the high-cost/high-quality niche that was once the realm of Aimpoint, EOtech, and the many high-end LPVOs of the past decade.
Head up my dudes, Arms unlimited has one, “open box”, for 5 grand. Just thought I’d let y’all know.
Thermals are so cool but the prices are super not cool
When your credit card goes into self protect mode
lost me at "connects to your phone" and "google integration"
Still looking for that civilian version on their website. Thanks James for bringing this this interview. That thing....is awesome
Meanwhile holosun came up with their own version of this lol
theres one on the palmetto state armory site
Unless you're a millionaire. You won't be going through your house with one of these.
$10,000
You forgot the magnification details.
Guys, Just craft it in the hideout. Much cheaper than the flea market
I love this stuff, GREAT Video!
I’ll definitely be able to afford this from paychecks from the ball crushing factory
Mmmm. Maybe for pest control thermal imaging has merit but for hunting it kind of defeats the object. For those who want such tech for use in field sports may I suggest they simply go direct to the butcher..
When you got a government contractor you got a rake the taxpayer over the coals for a few years before you turn around and let them have it
No, but Bro, I'm from Alabama, can you make these affordable?
He said “nine ninety nine, ninety nine. That’s $999.99. Or maybe he meant $99999.00. I’m holding him to 999.99. I want my thousand dollar scope dammit!
Did the CQT also take the 18650/2×Cr123a's like the Cinder?
How much is a kidney going for on the dark web these days?
9,999.99
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Wow! Talk about getting the drop on someone..
$10,000 is horse$hit no matter what. Name a department that will buy them
It’s basically like thermal....uh...yeah it’s thermal
Cool now make something that's not worth more than my truck.
Honestly- it's the first time I hear the name Steiner.
These things have come way down in price. The tan model shown is under $500 now. If I wasn't recovering from buying over one grand on firearms stuff I'd be buying one right now.
$500??? Where?
Crazy cool stuff.