LS INTAKE TEST-STOCK TRUCK vs TBSS vs FAST LSXRT-PRICE VS POWER
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- 6.0L Intake Shoot Out-Truck vs TBSS vs Fast LSXR. We compared the early truck vs the TBSS vs the Fast LSXR on a modified 6.0L equipped with forged internals (Carrillo & CP), AFR 230 heads and a Comp 54-469-11 cam. Does the power offered by the Fast intake justify the price?
Richard, I think the thing I like most about your videos is that you don't seem to be trying to sell me any specific part, you're just giving me the info.
Jeremiah Galli I don’t make anything, I don’t have a shop I’m
Trying to promote and I don’t sell anything. It’s just info-you can use it as you wish!
literally if anyone else made this video it would be 10+ mins you gave me all the info i clicked on this video needing in under 3 mins...yeah im only watching you from now on lmao.
Loving these videos dude keep them coming!
I got lots and lots
@@richardholdener1727 Yes thank you! I have a 05 GMC 5.3 and am researching for mild and affordable horsepower, I just want a few more beans without burning my trans or shooting spider gears out the diff cover.
All I could afford were the FAST spark plug wires lol
then you R faster!
I’d like to note everyone loves running the holley hi rams mostly cause they are sexy and make top end but what most forget is the weight savings going to composite. To me the fast 102 is the ultimate winner with great power while also being composite and less weight
I’m doing a truck build and your videos help a lot, knowing what suits what build best. I’ve decided to run a tbss intake with a truck Norris cam due to the fact I probably won’t rev much past 5500, maybe 6000. And it looked like the tbss intake was actually better than the fast all the way up until 5300 rpm
Are you going to do cylinder heads?
Straight and to the point...great vid.
You should do one on a stock TBSS intake vs ported
Still take the TBSS for the $$$
The tbss was as good or better all the way to 5200. If you are building a street engine and not looking for the high rpm’s I would go with the tbss. Less than half the price too.
Would love to see you add msd atomic air Force to this test
I ran that in my 20 LS intake comparo-do a search for 20 LS intakes-Hot Rod-it comes right up-but Ill be doing a vid on that old test since I reference it several times a day
It looks like the trailblazer SS intake has a tad bit more low-end torque than the fast 102, the fast really begins to shine around 5400rpms
The fast is really a good piece for a 6500 rpm LS.
Mr Holdener you are such a Trainwreck! I cant stop watching! Lol. It's like watching old reruns of friends, yeah I've seen it before, but Jennifer Aniston's carburetors are so perfect it's worth a fourth look.
I HARDLY COMPARE WITH RACHEL OR PHOEBES
@@richardholdener1727 I've installed a 6.oin my 93 Chevy 4×4 because of your videos, (not wired up yet) watching your videos is like having a large deposit put in your bank account and you keep checking because you just like to look at the number, but you are correct taking advantage of your knowledge and experience is a totally different kind of tingle Tingle...That would just be weird.
The early truck intake makes way more torque at low rpm. This dyno test doesn't go that low in rpm though.
I love watching your videos great information
thnx
Vaseline would be a plus when buying these over priced intakes. Thanks Richard..love your videos.
LS engines are just INSANE!!!
Richard I just bought a used lsxrt intake and need to know what lower injector orings to use with my Lq4 injectors , ? Do you have the dimensions of what to use? I suspect they are ls2 red but not sure the bores measure roughly .579”. Thanks
we installed whatever seals-I don't have dimensions
Richard you forgot one thing, did you run the same throttle body on all the intakes????
You didnt put the LSXRT in the video as the title discribes.
Richard this is great and very useful content like all of your videos. What exact forged internals and cylinder heads were used? Reason I ask is because I am currently in the process doing a extensive overhaul to the LQ4 of my 04 Denali. Thanks in advance bud,
just get summit pro ls stuff
@@richardholdener1727 I would hate to spend money on hide dollar parts that might not give me results. Your setup on this video is tested and proven. That is why I asked for your help as to what internals and heads were used? Thanks!
Forged pistons for non boosted application daily driver = cold start piston slap.
How would the TBSS intake work on a 415" engine? Would it still breathe ok at 6500 rpms?
Being topend makes me think its the 102mm throttle doing the work. I recon a ported tbss would match that.
The ported TBSS is ok for an NA engine. Just be warned that a stock tbss manifold flexes under vaccum, and might be too weak for boost if ported by the methods I've seen used so far.
@@nastychevys NOT EVERYBODY RUNS A TURBOCHARGER BUB!!!
I have a ported tbss and like it but according to this video if i got a ported fast102 i might still see 20-30hp but im really in search of TQ. Too bad it doesnt pick up equal tq
Have you tested the Fast LSXHR LS3, and the different length runners? I haven't seen anything on that intake yet, except for the HotRod article you did "Giant LS3 Intake Manifold Dyno Shootout", with the Performance Design Carbon PTR intake on the 415.
JTHP I tested the Carbon TR version from Performance Designs long ago with various runner lengths
Sorry that was Billet twin 69 73 turbos
I have a 2006 TBSS and I’m am currently in the process of rebuilding the engine I am putting a btr stage 2 cam in it and I was thinking about putting a intake on it. I was wondering if it was worth changing the intake or running the stock one. If so do you have any suggestions?
tbss is good
Richard Holdener Thank you!
Could probably make up some of the gains by porting the tbss intake.....but porting the fast is beneficial too.
I see people trying to get around using an xlink by using a 3bolt adapter to run the 78mm tb on the tbss intake. How much difference is there in the tbss intake with a stock 78mm 3bolt vs stock 90mm 4 bolt tb?
depends on power level
ALSO ITS THE POWER AND TORQUE DOWN LOW IS WHAT MATTERS NOT AT THE WOT POSTION?
PART HROTTLE?
What’s better? An aluminum intake manifold from Top street Performance mid/low rise or the Fast manifold? I’ve got an LS1 with Cam, 102tb and headers revving to 6600 rpm.
Fast
Damnit Richard, you made me go out and buy a FAST LSXRT about a month ago. I guess we'll see if I wasted my money when I toss it on my mild LQ4.
I have a trailblazer SS intake on my lq4
@@davidcunningham00 - that is what is on my truck now. Got a crackhead deal on a brand new LSXRT.
Same power as the LSXR-meaning its good!
How did the lsxrt work out for you bud
@@akinajj1 I still have not installed it. A lifter took out my LQ4, had to throw together another one. I'm building an iron LS2 with decent sized cam for the truck now. I'll put the FAST on it then.
Hey Richard, i have a question in regard to long runner/short runner intakes. If you have a single plane intake with a 4150 flange and you pit a holley elbow on it this moving the throttle body farther from the valves, would that give you more low end torque thus simulating long runners?
I also would love to know this answer
Nope
Richard why did you choose forged internals for this test? Was it because of the 7k RPM? or???
No-it was a test motor we had at the time!
we run stock stuff past 7000 rpm all the time!
We're running a similar short block with LS6 intake 69 turbo making 1030 at the wheels on 25 lbs of boost do you think of fast intake would be a significant difference on the motor possibly picking up a hundred horsepower
Daniel Sullivan the fast will be better than the ls6
Will LS3 heads and intake beat this combination with the same short block and it would be interesting to see what they would do on 28 lb of turbo boost
ls3 heads make more power than 799 or 706 heads-we ran them along with TFS 225 heads
Can we see some carborated intake dyno tests
Kristin Eden lots of those -trying to put the vids together-in the mean time-do a Google search for 20 LS intake hot rod -or ls3 intake test-lots of info there
@@richardholdener1727 can't wait and I'll do some searching
Isn't soon time to test the BTR 102mm Cathedral Port Intake vs LS6 and TBSS?
ONE OF THOSE IS AN 8000 RPM INTAKE
@@richardholdener1727 Ahh ok, this will properly not be healthy for my old BIG-10:-)
Can you do stock tbss vs ported tbss and stock fast vs ported fast
What throttle cable bracket to
Use for fast intake ??? Hellppppp
we have a dyno cable set up
Was the rotating assembly balanced ?
yes
What were the throttle body sizes tested on each mani & did that give the 102 an advantage over the other intakes? If it did that's another cost added to the hp/$ ratio that should he discussed
each manifold was run with the throttle body sized for the opening in the manifold
Check out the Dorman 615-183
Cathedral or rectangle port heads?
The standard ls truck intake is cathedral port so I'm assuming the tbss and the fast was also.
@@johnboy9769 True unless its a L92 but now that I listened again, he said TBSS so... cathedral.
cath
How does the fast 102 do on a cam6.0 with stock 243 heads
IT DOES WELL
I always ask questions on here then I feel dumb later cause you've already covered it I'm a video
no dumb questions
I have a 07 escalade 6.2l I like to put a good fast maniful a like to have like 600hp but I don't how
you need a big cam and heads and I would not run the FAST on the ls3 heads-just use the stock one-you could always add boost
Have you tested the fast truck intake vs tbss intake
yes lots-see big ls intake test video
What TB was used on the Truck intake?
STOCK SIZE TO MATCH THE OPENING OF THE TRUCK INTAKE
Does anyone have the right part number for the tbss intake ..im seeing 2 part numbers
It's easy to spot. I dont have the part number, but you can spot it over the others by it being the only new style (nnbs) truck intake that has cathedral ports.
The rest of those style intakes have the rec ports like the gen 4 trucks all have.
The Gen 4 5.3 intake = TBSS which is cathedral port. Gen 4 6.0 are rec port.
You ever test any of the factory intakes that has been ported Richard?
I wish I had some
@@richardholdener1727 I'll port whichever ones you want. I have a spare truck intake somewhere i think.
That is a very healthy 6.0 and if you do the simple math of boost boom 14.7 psi should net nearly 1200 reliable hp what a time to be alive.
its pretty high compression for boost but I agree with you-power is so easy now!
What size throttle body is on the truck intake
early truck is 78mm, tbss is 90-92 mm
Thanks
How about a FAST vs stock LS7 intake comparo?
did that already-fast is a lot better-msd even better too
@@richardholdener1727 I've heard the FAST on the LS7 was only worth 5-7 hp. I'm sure the MSD does better than that.....
Milo Janis the fast on the LS7 is worth more-the fast on an ls3 can be worth near 5 hp
You have got to slow down the transitions. these videos can be really great if they had just you know a touch more content involved I know you're recycling Instagram videos right now but it's kind of making it look cheap I guess compared to most CZcams stuff.
Fully disagree. Already too many 10+ minute videos with 2 mins of content on youtube.
Thnx-these are just getting me started
I'm going to do a little of both-short and sweet and long and strong!
If you’re one of the 40 million living in Cali there’s no street legal cams so your every limited
Why can't I hear this video?
these early vids were done with mono mics and receivers-they play on one side through ear phones
Where does the TBSS stand vs the LS3 or the LS7?
The ls3 and ls7 are rec port intakes. You can’t do an A-B test from rec port to cathedral port.
@@jasondoyle355 l92 would be equivalent to rec port tbss manifold and I guess that would be the one to. Compare. But on another note, ls3 style is a different shape than ls7
The real story in the video is power per dollar.
Yes you can make 5ft lbs and a few hp over a tbss with the fast. But it will cost you a grand.
Is a grand worth the small gain? I wouldnt say so until you have either built a high dollar high hp NA engine or after you have your boosted setup built and working good.
That grand could buy you a Borg Warner turbo or even a full ebay turbo kit. Could buy a used LSA blower for that money and see your hp number almost double.
Spending money smart will save you a fortune on project cars.
TOTAL AND UTTER BS, WHY NOT USE A STOCK AS A ROCK l77 ENGINE THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE FAST AND SS PLASTIC MANIFOLD REALLY PRODUCE ON A TOTAL STOCK AS A ROCK ENGINE WITH STOCK EXHUST AS WELL AND DOD AS WELL?
WHY WOULD YOU WANT AN AFTER MARKET INTAKE ON A STOCK MOTOR-JUST KEEP IT STOCK.
Can we Lt1 gen v in ls1 or 5.3
Not sure I understand the question-I have tested Gen V 5.3L stuff
Once again, the fast intake has nowhere near those gains on a stock motor, or mildly cammed motor. These intakes are way too much money for the blue collar guy.
the higher the power output of the test motor-the better it will be able to take advantage of what the FAST intake has to offer-I wouldn't put one on a stock motor
Meh
Curious how much more power this TBSS intake would give me over the 2005 LH6 5.3 Old Style intake 4 Bolt 87 mm tb 89017588 on my Trailblazer - thanks!
not much on a stock motor
@@richardholdener1727 thank you!