NATO VS Non-NATO Steyr AUG
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
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The differences between AUG models being the traditional steyr or non nato European model and the US model taking the AR15 mags which is called the nato
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I think I'll go for the NATO version. Just cause I can use my AR-15 magazines.
In the conversation of mags, I love the Steyr mags. I’ve abused the hell out of my mag for close to two years and it still feeds great. Magpul makes AUG mags that also work well, and are a little cheaper than the Steyr proprietary mags.
I got the nato version because I live in Colorado where we have a mag ban on mags over 15 rounds. People still sell your most common 30 round mags like ar, ak, glock, etc. But I knew I'd have to to a triple backflip through a flaming hoop to find aug waffle mags.
Man that sucks I didn't know you had those types of rules out there. You can get 10,30,42 rounds magazine for the non NATO Aug.
Tn Steyr you smoke pot or eat edibles. You get clipped on the amount of mushrooms 🍄 your magazine can hold. 😂
It would be pretty cool if someone came up with an AR lower that took AUG mags.
If I ever get an AUG, I think I will go for the standard.
The best version, honestly.
I did, despite having plenty of STANAG mags. OG or go home.
Yea…Instantly I thought “NATO”, but then after watching this video…Hell No! I’ll go Standard because I’ve witnessed one of the Waffle Mags being tested next to a PMAG and it was shocking.
This may have been noted in the comments, but your statements were a bit mistaken regarding magazines. AR15 mag's lock from the side, not the rear, hence the difference in the mag release mech's.
thank you, great info.
There's a Christmas day video. 😉
The gen 3 pmag is a better mag than the Steyr mag imo from a functional standpoint. The Steyr mags pop rounds out pretty easy when inserting mags. Gen 3 pmags don’t do that on anything I’ve put them in and function in a ton of different rifles. Other than that, I really enjoyed your review.
I can agree with you that the gen 3 pmag are some of if not the best AR mags .
Better than the SAI mag ? Idk I think both have Pros & Cons . Could be a Interesting to test will keep it in mind
that is NOT the catch on stanag loool
Love the video. I wish you would have covered forward assist. Please keep more AUG vids coming.
As tempting as it is to save a few bucks due to the number of AR mags I already have, I think I’d go with the standard model. Guess I’m spoiled with the BHO feature of AR rifles.
@Werner Voss It’s behind the magazine, just like on an AK. Mag release location isn’t an issue for me compared to having to charge the rifle to chamber a round when I can hit a latch and send the bolt home.
STANAGs will be a piece of cake if I grab an orig M16 mag either Nam-era 25-round or the A1 30-round
thanks dude. they just offered a NYS compliant aug. in the land were waffle mags are non existent . a nato, might be my next purchase.
2098 called... They want their rifle back
It looks futuristic, yet retro at the same time. I can't wait to get my hands on one.
@@Kruegernator123 wehraboo
Just got an AUG without realizing there were 2 different configurations and unknowingly got a Nato one lol. Ofc Steyr is on major backorder and standard stocks are gone
If you are using it for a fighting rifle NATO is the way to go, magazine availability is imperative. Not to mention there a billion AR magazine brands so just “pmag vs proprietary” isnt a good match up, try lancer magazines if you havent already. Being able to run drum mags is nice too…
@@tristanholmes7948 It's not so much about the magazines more than it's about getting rid of the bolt release. I understand there's a nato stock for the American market, but why get rid of the bolt release?
Thank you very much for that trigger tuning/ armourers tip! Just did that on my 18yr old Aug A2 and that is a big deal.
Why not overtighten? I pushed the triggerbar from inside the magwell before setting it right and the play is minimal.
With a 20/20 sear in the triggerpack that is a very nice trigger. Never knew.
If you over tighten need trigger nut you will actually been the bars and it swells the polymer and will make the trigger tight on the stock
Tn Steyr that would feel heavier I guess so I think I’m good. Now all I need is dor the range to open.....
Thanks again. Love the AUG.
How is the 20/20 seat working out for you? I am debating getting a neu-trigger or the 20/20 sear. I want whatever I get to be safe. Thanks!
dwillia6351 I love the 20/20 sear. Reset is better and overal more crisp/less mushy.
Slightly less triggerpull. The triggertamer lessens the triggerpull a lot more but doesn’t work well with the 20/20 sear: slamfire. This was predicted as an option.
The triggertamer is supposed to work welll with the neu trigger. The choices in life 😉
I’ m using the 20/20 sear for over 2 yrs. the triggertamer will be put on the second hand market.
Sander Bertens I really appreciate your comment! It’s good to hear some feedback on these. I’ll go with the 20/20 sear for now until eventually the corvus defensio enhances trigger pack comes out. Thanks again.
Standard is better alright got it
lol @ the flip up sights on that short rail. Looks like its got the same sight radius as a glock 26.
6" 1911 . Lol
You should review the AUG clones.
That's a really tall order. There are many, many variants of the MSAR, some of which are fairly rare. Some parts interchangeability with Steyr depending on version, but lots of proprietary stuff. Some are fantastic, others craptastic, with varying levels of QC across the board.The other player was TDP with their AXR, of which only ~140 exist; those are *extremely* rare. They're supposedly of exceptional build quality, rivaling or surpassing Steyr, and are true clones with 100% parts commonality unlike the MSAR line.
I feel like it would be an interesting video, but even if it was possible to obtain all of those variants, it would be something more up Ian's alley on Forgotten Weapons, or better yet- renowned AUG expert and US Steyr middleman Pete Athens, but I doubt anyone could get him to do a youtube video.
That thing on the back of the AR mag that you printed out is not how the mag is held in. I’ll take a nato stock for cheaper mags and more availability
It is 1 of 2 locking places and is the 1st one that takes holed. . There are pros to both various .
@@TnSteyr no dude thats just how they mold it. look at a steel stanag
Kinda strange that the NATO version doesn't incorporate ambidextrous shooting
Something about the design of the magazines made it not ambidextrous is what I read one time on some AUG forum
Great review! Thanks
Thank you . Hope it helps
New to the platform. would you recommend a parts kit AUG? aim surplus has these kits for $300. Is it more expensive to build one? or just buy straight from the factory?
If you buy a parts kit it's that strictly a parts kit do not buy one thinking you can build it like an AR15. The receiver extremely hard to find on the open market . Maybe 1 In 3 to 5 years .
If you buy a parts kit by one in a non nato configuration. If you buy a new aug in the nato version , you could switch between the 2 of them if you like. PLEASE don't buy a parts kit and try to build one .... there has been a lot of people Recently trying to do this and everyone has been upset with the final result. If you'd like Email me and we can talk 1 on 1.
Very well done Sir....... Thanks and Blessings!
How would I cover the right handed port if I am left handed and want the nato version after I cut out the indent
You can just buy the dust cover from steyr and install it.
Hmmm does the standard always have the raised rails? I saw one the other day, it was the Standard based on it taking the specific mags and button placement, HOWEVER, the rail was not raised.
Definitely go with the NATO version for ease of magazine
Magpul has a Pmag for the SAI STEYR , iv been testing and running them for 3 weeks and just did a 6hr range Day with them and they worked 💯% . Even ran in the Fullauto A2 AUG did 6 mags back to back. $19.95
I have the nato version, if I convert to a standard version with the new trigger pack would I still have a single trigger bar and double like the standard version?
If you want to convert your from the Nato to the Standard that takes the waffle mags. you would be a new stock and it's trigger pack. That would give you the stock with 2 trigger bars and a bolt Catch .
You intentionally get the same torch as the Australian Army CES with the new EF88? They are actually pretty good
I heard Bill Springfield does trigger jobs on these and gets them down to a 5 lb pull. I haven't seen any reviews on them yet though.
I have heard the same . But also not so good things about him too . I don't have any personal experience. So do your homework before going down that route.
Can you please do a video on where the wear points are?
Is the A2 to A3 internally different cut besides the bolt release?
Is it possiblee to cut into an A2 stock to install a bolt release?
I'll be out doing some range videos this coming weekend I'll see what I can come up with to make a Pacific video to cover these topics
So i recently purchased an a3 m1 nato. If I wanted to swap to a standard stock I would just need to swap out the stock and trigger pack?
Yes .
Yes .
May we unscrew the flashhider so we can screw on a silencer?
Is it possible to get one gun(since receiver is the gun) and one of each stocks, (I have a NATO but I might get an AUG mag stock to use) which coould hgive AUG a lot of aftermarket potentials, a G36 mag stock or 5.56 AK mag stock for starters, which would make the AUG crazy versatile
Yes that's what most people do get one of the models then pick up the extra stock an trigger pack for the appropriate model and just switch the receiver in both carrier group over
@ 02:50 The guy in this video says that Steyr mags are superior to STANAG mags. However in Brandon Herrera's AUG video, (czcams.com/video/s3raAILCIoM/video.html) @ 13:33 you can see that fast or "spirited" reloads of the Steyr waffle mags cause rounds to spill into the firing chamber and instantly jam your rifle. This plus the infinite multi-colored universe of tried and proven AR15 mags makes me lean towards STANAG mags. There's no way that plastic waffle mag is better than every single AR15 mag ever made.
I’m having a hard time finding an optic choice I just bought my AUG A3 I have the extended pic rail and mines Aus mag pattern and Black in color.
Would you recommend a steyr optic, an lpvo , irons or rds
It really depends on what you're going to do with it.
I running iron sights or or the factory steyr 3x optic .
The best recommendation I can give is this.
#1 . 0 to 100 yards , iron sights
#2. 0 to 500 yards , optic
I was looking at trying a Eotech Vudu 1-6×24
What would be your preference between the two?
Any ideas why when a loaded magazine is inserted , the slide stop knocks off the top round?
I believe it was due to the original design being the full auto that the bolt would be open when inserting a magazine.
Are the internals of the trigger packs the same? In other words, if I buy one of those surplus parts kits with a standard stock and parts, can I use the parts within its trigger pack to rebuild my NATO trigger pack (obviously excepting the selector)?
No there different. The only thing that mite work from one would be the disconnect , hammer or the Seer all of the Springs will be different sizes and shapes.
And you can put your trigger pack in the older stock .
@@TnSteyr ok thanks - saved me from buying the more expensive version.
Love this gun!
👍💯
Has anyone that has shot both felt a difference in the trigger feel between the two??
I have. And the Standard aug . Is better than the Nato. Because of it having 2 Trigger bars . The Nato has about a 2 lbs Heavier pull and can feel a bit off center when pulling the trigger
@@TnSteyr thank you. I've seen that a metal Sear is available to lighten the trigger pull. Do you feel this would improve the NATO trigger, 4 regardless it will feel off center because of the lack of the trigger bar?
@@altang884884 I have one that I will be testing for a better evaluation.
But in the past they have not been reliable nor noticeable indifferences
May I ask where you got your Steyr AUG, if you own them. I’m trying to find some in stock but that are compliant with CA. All the ones I’ve seen are sold out. Anyways, good video. I was wondering what the NATO part meant in the listings.
You need the USR, which is extremely rare. They only imported 3000 of them. I personally own #334.
Thumbhole stock, which I don't find ugly anymore. I actually like it, although the "shark skin grey" stock is certainly different, the barrel has no suppressor, there is a barrel pin to prevent changing to a standard barrel, which is replaceable with the quick barrel release, which I bought, and it comes with a "9+1" magazine. Also no bayonet lug.
Great rifle, but they sold for more than the current AUG models.
The only issue I've heard of is the quick release scope/picatinny setup. Apparently, if you switch back and forth a lot, it wears due to aluminum on aluminum and your zero isn't zero anymore.
Newer models removed the quick release in favor of screws and thread lock.
If you find one, you want to make sure whoever had it didn't keep messing with the removal of the scope, or, if they put a piccatiny rail on, they only did it once and never went back to the oem scope.
Rod Coxswell thank you for the response. When you said USR I had no idea what you were talking about. But after a quick google search I see it’s based off of the AUG A2 receiver but made to get around the 922(r) policy. I’ve seen online AUG A3 M1’s that were CA compliant but idk if those are the same as the USR’s that you mentioned. I’ve looked on Steyr’s official website for more info on AUG out of curiosity and they let you configure one to your liking which then redirects you to dealers in the local area for shipping I’m assuming? But being in the state that I’m in, I’m not sure if it’s even possible with me since I have to account for CA laws and there wasn’t an option for a CA compliant version. There were Steyr dealers in my state so I contacted them regarding this process.
At this point idk, I was debating between the AUG or a PTR-9R. I’m currently working to save up for one and I’m leaning more towards the AUG. If I can even find one for sale that is lol
Atlantic Firearms has California compliant AUGs listed, but I don't think they have them in stock at the moment. I just bought a NATO Mud model and noticed them. You can sign up to be alerted when they are in stock. Cheers!
If i were to have a NATO AUG stock, do you know if I would be able to replace the stock with an original AUG stock?
If you talking about taking a A3 or A3M1 Nato Receiver and put a 70s or 80s STG77 stock then No .
You can take a A3 or A3m1 and swap them between Nato & Standard stocks you just need to have the Trigger packs to go with the right Stock .
Aug sounds better than a.u.g
question does the A1 military steyrcompatible with a3 model are the stock. and upper etc compatible are the inter changable?
No the A3m1 has Additional features that make it incompatible. Now with that being said I am sure you could modify one and make it .
But its not a Plug and play
So do AUG waffle mags work in the NATO?
No. The Nato only the AR mags
This may be a stupid question but.. do both shoot 5.56 AND 223?
It's OK you be surprised people ask that all the time yes they will shoot 223 /5.56
The only difference between those rounds #s is if you referring to it as its civilian name or its military designation they are both are 5.56×45
I had the same question! Lol I have the non nato version but I feel like the intended use was for .223 rounds due to the added pressure of 5.56
Appreciate your expertise, I’m kinda stabbing in the dark right now..
crap, watched this video and I can't choose what I want. I like the idea if using pmags, but I like the bolt release too. Going to be a hard choice
Standard all day
@@TnSteyr does the standard come the optic on the top or just the rail?
@@Paralyzed-rm6vc the base model Steyr in either configuration ( Non-Nato 0r Nato ) comes with a rail , there are 3 sizes of the rail now . As for the Optic you can upgrade to 1.5x 0r 3x fixed power.
My recommendations would be to get the 3X and buy the Corvusdefensio long rail for the A3M1, that way you can do whatever you want with it 😉
@@TnSteyr Thank you so much for responding one last question when i was on the web sight looking it gave me 2 options long rail or default which one comes with the optic built the long one or the base rail? I want to be able to mount a vortex i have that i took off my deer rifle is that possible to switch that outs
@@Paralyzed-rm6vc you are on Steyr website ? Ordering one correct...
The Steyr optic is a opinion and I believe you have to call/E-Mail them for that.. as for you wanting to put you Vortex on it , I would get the Long rail. The next thing to are go too have to think about are scope rings , bullpups are a bit different from a AR or Bolt action setup. You will have to see 1st how much of a rizer you will need to get the correct eye relefe , and then learn Hight 0ver bore . ALL OVER AGAIN !
what's the thread pitch of the nato version?
1/2×28RH
You are incorrect at 1:14 about the name. German language CZcams videos clearly pronounce it as AUG and not A.U.G.
Fish eye lens hella annoying
So theoretically if the left hand eject port was drilled out of the NATO version and the bolt was changed out would it be possible to shoot it left handed?
Yes .
If the Nato could switch ejection side I would get it.
It is capable of doing so but you have to Mill out the ejection port in the stock and then change the bolt over they just do not come pre-drilled that way
Is it true that the Nato AUG does not have last round bolt hold open? I heard that somewhere
Yes that's correct . the Nato Aug does not have a bolt release besides engaging the charging handle . We're the Standard AUG has the bolt release button and you can use the charging handle.
@@TnSteyr Appreciate the info, but that's not what he asked. I too have heard the NATO version will not lock the bolt back on an empty magazine. Can you confirm this?
I kept looking and found the answer. The NATO AUG will lock back on an empty mag. You just pull the charging handle back to chamber from a fresh mag.
Edit: grammar
Can I put a left handed bolt in a stg 556 aug?
You can run a left handed bolt in any of the Aug's you just have to have the ejection window in the stock. The Nato stocks need to be cut out for this option to work
If I have the NATO version, is there any way to convert it to the Standard version with the bolt release?
YES. You will need a standard stock & Trigger pack , Mags.
Then you can just swap the Barrel, Receiver & Bolt carrier group to either one.
* this will ONLY WORK with the A3 SA 0r A3M1. Do NOT buy one of the old Military parts kits . The receiver and bolt Carrier group will not fit in the stock they are totally different models.
@@TnSteyr Great, thanks for your response. I currently have the A3 M1
@@TnSteyr Couple more questions sorry to bother you - will the NATO butt plate fit on the standard stock? and do you know where to find the vertical foregrip for the aug?
@@williamhowardtaft2481 Yes & yes .
Steyr arms usa.
Pj Aug parts .
What about a surplus stock on a stg556
The surplus stocks that you see online as parts kids will not work with the modern a 3 or A3M1 those stocks are designed for the original 1976 through 1990s STG77 Guns ( the Gen 1 Aug ) only
I left handed so the choice is simple
Amigo como estas . Como puedes hacer un AUG semiautomático a full automatic
What’s the thread pitch. Is it 1/2x28 or m13x1 lh?
Surprised you dont have a Magpul AUG mag.
I haven't come across one yet. Only see them online.
@@TnSteyr You can buy them directly from Magpul.
@@sinless yes. Magpul and AC Unity
@@sinless one color only. AC Unity is one color as well.
...i would buy if in a better cartridge...maybe now the new 6mm ARC from Hornady...
40+ years in 5.56 and there still working find . They have made them in 9mm , 763x39 , 40s&w & testing 300BK. SO you never know?
So can the NATO version use the original AUG mags? I may have missed that part, but it's the last question I have, prior to purchase.
NO . the Na nato version with the bolt release uses the standard SAI magazines . I the NATO uses the Ar 15 magazine
Bro the price of steyr aug?
New they start about $1900 usd for a Base model
Sir how about the non nato price ?
Pls reply this is my last question
@@Raider-zn8cv the nato and non nato are almost the same probly within 100 or $200 difference. Your fine ask away.
Brooo wait
How about the price of 20 inches barrel?
What one you still like as your favorite ?
Standard .
I don't care for the Nato
@@TnSteyr that’s what I keep hearing from a lot of people standard it is ! Ordering one later today along with 4-5 extra waffle mags ! Is the 42 round work good and nice to have looking at just getting 1 or is it just a novelty and forget about it
@@iceblock3 42s are fun but not necessarily. 1 or 2 maybe.
Get some Magpul AUS mags 30 rounds they are good and will save you money.
I run 50% of these mags and 50% of waffles mags.
@@TnSteyr awesome man ya I’ll just order 1 42 and the rest 3-4 waffles and next time I’ll order the magpul ones 1-2 to try them out thanks for getting back with me bro
The way he says AUG just pisses me off 😂
I've cracked so many steyr mags it's not funny.
Magpul makes Steyr mags now in fact Steyr mags are cheap and plentiful.
@@sinless in a non nato version, you can use factory waffle mags. You can also use PMAGs that are specific to original non nato aug.
It’s not the regular Pmag for ar15. It’s a Pmag designed specifically for augs that take waffle mags.
Lost me early in the video when you miss identified the STANAG (NATO) Mag catch.
Check out the Talon scope mount for these
manticorearms.com/shop-by-rifle/aug-rifle-products/talon-scope-mount-for-aug-m1
Only gun worth getting in FDE.
Steyr mags are not superior in the SLIGHTEST.
Great review..thanks!