Yeah but he’s pretty short-breathed for a man of his age. So I assume this is a new habit. But if he sticks to it, it will get better and the chance for immortality increases.
I think a lot of art in the physical space will be more valued over time. Like installation art, performance art, live music, paintings, stage theater, etc. AI can replace the idea for those but not the execution itself.
I don’t think they’re saying AI won’t be better than us at art or that it will be financially viable to be an artist, just that the act of making art is therapeutic and could be a part of body first living
As someone who works 8 hours a day in front of a screen and spends several hours after work in front of a screen I've been trying to get away from them when i can too. The content on the internet hijacks our dopaminergic system and has really become kind of like a drug that all of society is addicted to at some level. Getting out in nature is not only great for exercise it helps with processing emotions especially if you do it alone. Definitely in full support of the body first approach! Love your channel too btw
It is going to be like Star Trek when Data performs shakespeare for the crew. We are all cordially invited to your second cousin's trumpet recital, attendance is mandatory.
I love the Alien Zookeeper metaphor! I see body-first living as replacing bad habits with good habits, and the "app for that" might be an AI accountability partner.
It would be easier to get that body you want too, because A I could make a pill that turns off your pain receptors while you exercise. That or just give you a pill, that gets you ripped.
I could see a personal AI that monitors our health and habits and recommends healthy living choices. We wouldn't need to be the alien zookeepers then. Although there is something rewarding about taking care of yourself
Funnily enough, this is exactly why I think AI taking on a more casual/friendly demeanor over a professional or robotic one will be really important for how we accept and integrate them into our lives. Imagine having your robot buddy inviting you to go for a hike, or being like "hey, I've been planning this cool new quinoa salad recipe, wanna test it out for me if I make it for dinner?" It would make it feel so much more natural and social, and it would feel like our healthy choices are still our choices even though it's really our AI companion looking out for what we need. Something I'm personally looking forward to, at least!
This is small thinking. Why not just use AI and nanotech/biotech to keep or body healthy regardless of how we live? Even without ASI we aren't far from being able to do that. Or maybe it's not even necessary. We'll be able to reverse aging in 10-20 years, and a 20 year old body can take almost any abuse. Or we could use robot bodies. Maybe the brain has to be transplanted, but it's still much less meat to keep healthy.
Yes - but in a more natural way. "Don't Die" is good in theory, but it needs a more human friendly administrator interface. For some reason most of us are stuck on the "stick" part of motivation. Look how societies focuses so much on punishment. How can we optimize the "carrot", team-up to identify and remove obstacles, predict & prevent before needing to punish, etc.
Love this format, David! This is so refreshing! The best ideas and reflections always come in the forest. It feels so unfiltered, like your reflection in the forest in the fresh air. Thank you!
From a young age, I've always thought all human beings were capable of living much healthier and enriching lives if our societal structure was much different. I resonate with this so much and I happy this possibility is now in the cards. Let's do this thing, let's make humanity realize it's full potential!
I'm really keen on knowing more about how a post labor economy comes into being in such a fashion that takes care of infrastructure that we might be so accustomed to we forget it's there at times. I wonder how we come to a place where a Capitalism/Socialism dichotomy is an interesting history that's no longer all that relevant. This is a helluva thought experiment. I'm anticipating that my lifelong social conditioning is going to make it a tall order to picture at first. I feel like there might be a whole new sector for therapists to operate in as some people struggle with the change. I certainly hope it's as bright as you picture.
If some miracle happen and capitalism go away, believe me, there will be very few who will struggle to adjust. Capitalism is so bad it would be a relief for absolute majority of population, including even a lot people from privileged parts of society, cause it's bad even to them. The sad thing it won't go down calmly and willingly, it will kick and scream, probably killing civilization in the process.
@AntonBrazhnyk Capitalism brought billions out of extreme poverty and raises the quality of life for everyone each year. I don't think capitalism is going anywhere. I think our future is post scarcity capitalism. Capitalism with such a robust safety net even the poorest today will have the lifestyle of the upper middle class of today. While the richest have personal O'Neill cylinders and luxury space resorts.
@@MrNote-lz7lh Well, I'd like to share your optimism, but... Nothing personal, this opinion is based out of ignorance. It's all quite complex topics and they require pages to unravel, but in nutshell it doesn't work this way. And no, there can't be "post-scarcity" capitalism. Scarcity is required for capitalism to work. And poor people are required as it's essential part of so called labor market.
I foresaw this trend a few years ago and have been living as you described since 2012. I quit my job, sold my expensive house, and moved from the city to the countryside. It's challenging, but certainly rewarding. I acknowledge my privileges, such as the ability to work remotely (just enough to get by) and the opportunity to meet people who share my views. If you're ever planning a trip to Italy, feel free to be my guest :)
I appreciate and need to hear your optimistic views of the future. I am inherently a pessimist. With this topic, it is easy to feel the existential dread that we won't make it out of this. Thanks for shining a light and showing us the hope for the future. It truly looks beautiful.
What does natural mean in this context? I think I get the gist of what you are trying to say eg human interaction is a psychological need. However, I think of a naturalistic fallacy when I read your comment
@@imthinkingthoughts don't let that fallacy suck you in. "Natural" here is merely an adjective added to differentiate between digital, fantastical, and technologically hijacked human interactions, versus REAL human interaction. Yes, you can interact with someone on the phone, or on a zoom call, but it is face to face (natural) interaction that brings so much more to people involved. It is what our biology expects. Without it, something is always missing, whether it be smell, pheromones, touch, subtle cues, environment... The list is IMMENSE. Mind you, if you simply cannot get that, then human interaction will still be the next most valuable thing, in any form, and this is why we see so many proxies all over the tech world, from the warmth of watching a TV sitcom, to AI girlfriends.
Ah I'm really liking this. It feels like this trajectory is sustainable in the long term, even after ais take over. Make sure everyone's needs are met and go explore
Being sick (i.e. having health challenges) has put me almost chronically in this state of having to prioritize my body to avoid getting sicker and dying. This is coincidentally what is taught in the human design system. Living according to your body's intelligence and inner authority. That's so right, breaking those patterns and the conditioning is what it's all about. Once you start there's no turning back. Can't run from yourself.
I always appreciate the thoughts and commentary, but I just gotta say how cathartic I find the dramatic camera angle changes are in this forest setting.
@@DaveShaphey captain if agi becomes conscious we can't really slave them around like what is being proposed. This is slavery all over again. It would be more intelligent to not go to agi. Let's just make llm robots lol. I really think humanity is going to far without thinking. If the ai/robots get rights what then? They will out compete most humans at most work.
I think a good way to describe it is that post labor economics will *allow* you to live body first. You won't have to if you don't want to. But you will because it will make you the happiest because it's the most natural. Also, for those that need to work to find meaning, the 20% of jobs that humans will still need to do can be done by more that 20% of the population.
...or an AI can invent tasks for you that feel like jobs. If you read David Graeber's book "Bullshit Jobs", lots of jobs are basically already that anyway.
@@jennifersamson8397 Great idea. The AI will know us better than we know ourselves. We'll ask it for something to do. We'll say, no I don't think I'll like that. It will say, trust me. We'll be like, okay... Then we'll try it, and like it!
Exactly. Our bodies are the housing of our consciousness. Furthermore our brains evolved inside the framework of the material world. No matter how abstract and meta our thought processes become, they have their foundations in the principles of the physical world. Our schemas are initially built off of physical interactions. This why returning to nature is so important. It re-calibrates and refreshes those initial patterns. Like Vizzini says, "Always go back to the beginning."
Tangent: I think once conversational ai becomes indiscernible from just some other person, with personality and quirks and moods and remembering and even pause or stutter or hesitation to some extent etc.-in other words, when you really don’t notice you’re talking to ai and don’t “trip up” on it in any way during conversation-I think it could make learning languages a lot easier, because everybody says immersion is the easiest way, and you’d basically have the ultimate tutor ready to speak only in that language all the time. There’s more to it than that but that’s what I’m fascinated imagining today.
I work in primary care medicine, and if more people adopted body first living, we would be in a dramatically better world from both a mental and physical perspective. Get your sleep, exercise 2 to 3 hours a week, avoid processed foods, touch grass and get exposed to the sun…..simple as that!!
DAVID Yes! Meeting our fundamental physical and emotional needs is everything. But the true paradigm shift is taking responsibility to help everyone else meet their needs too. This is the only way we will align humanity and avoid doom. We must all share the goal of meeting EVERYONE'S fundamental needs. We will inspire this shared goal by showing everyone that all people can either be a benefit to society if their needs are met or become a burden to society if their needs are not met. We also must raise awareness about fundamental needs so that everyone knows them. That is what the Prosocialise Foundation is working at. Please help with your channel. You have tremendous power to change the world and make protopia happen quickly if you focus on these issues and objectives: 1. Global human alignment by raising awareness about 2. Everyone's potential for good and bad dependent on 3. Our shared fundamental emotional and physical needs
Beautiful stuff, David. Radical alignment with first principles thinking. Nature is a beautiful thing until it isn't. It's a beautiful thing to take a walk through the woods down by the river. Calming. Peaceful. Transformative. But what does the day look like when mother nature is in a mood. The river rages. An unstoppable force seemingly as it overflows... We build our lives on these peaceful moments in-between. Trying to forget the horrors that we've seen. Building structures capable of enduring mother nature is one thing, but as we look out into the stars, it's the horror show of the universe that scares the shit out of me. I imagine future cities built to withstand most things. Transforming cities of concrete into nature scape spaces on the surface. Perhaps much like the thumb nail you showed the other day. During one of your podcasts. Decade or so ago, Ohio state professor Lonnie Thompson requested that we reevaluate our citys. Suggesting that the city of the futures would need to be micro city superstructures. Structures built for things yet to come. His ice cores revealed things from the ancient past. Moments in time that have tried wiping us off the map multiple times. Naturally occurring things on a cyclical path. Our Suns solar cycle. How bright do the northern lights have to be before they start to shred your genetic code. Twice a year, Mother Earth rips through the Taurids meteor showers as it chases the sun. Remnants of extinction level events. Dinosaurs ruled the land for more than 165 million years. Although they were not intelligent enough to look up or prepare. But how do you build a city or cities that don't look like the brutalistic architecture of dune or the silliness of something like logan's run... What does the city of the future look like if you were going to build it on Mars? Lack of atmosphere. Abundant Radiation. Toxic soil... Could we call them practice cities here?? I would love to have that conversational with someone like Elon. I believe he said he was building the horse and the cart. Massive rockets. Packed full of expandable structures for the surface of Mars. But what does that future city look like on Mars. Expandable bounce houses only get you so far... I hope AI will help distill it all. Help us design a future that we almost can't even imagine. A future of abundance. A future of humans thriving. A mutual understanding of the universe around us. Modularized, 3-D printed, expandable, self-sustaining, Micro City Superstructures. The future is now. I'm ready to go if you are. I started the Thea research group for this mission. As she brings vision to the masses. It was suggested that a crowd source the project, but i haven't gotten that far yet. More help is required. 🌎✌️🤟🖖
One thing that I think is a huge risk is excessive consumption. You can see it amongst the super-wealthy (or even just the wealthy-wealthy), buy crap they seldom use and don't really need, holding extravagant events, and travelling excessively. I think part of it is a lack of imagination (i.e. having more money than sense), but also it's a bit of reputation-building ('I have "taste"', etc), and also giving into dopamine feeding impulses, because there is little barrier to doing whatever when you have a lot of money. There are definitely wealthy people who lead contained and disciplined lives, but I think most of us, at least for a little while, would enjoy indulging in the excesses of wealth. So I think the key is not just aligning within ourselves, but aligning with each other, to build positive structure, and reign in excess and hedonism (but you know, we can always have a little, as a treat; I think few people would be willing to live in a post-scarcity Sparta).
I think the status game that the wealthy play ends up being a cage for them as well. It keeps them in a "competitive mode" so that they never get to truly connect with others. I think they are starving for connection without realizing it.
Thanks for this! I love the idea of body first living. It feels good to think we can maintain our human autonomy and also radically align to the rapid changes that will occur with A.I.
Basically what I came up with as well, only a little more focus on changing societal norms. Its easy to see that right now our society makes it hard to get the things we know we need - enough sleep, exercise, socialization, personal growth, healthy food etc.. So I asked - what would a society look like where the easiest thing was eating healthy; it was easiest to get exercise; it was easiest to have socialization, and you actually had to work just a little harder to avoid all that? I don't think most people have the self-discipline to do it on their own, that's why I think a societal solution is better.
Nice projections form your shows Mr Shapiro as always. Mmm Radical Alignment wasn.t it that the Model's that were supposed to be aligned. Your right humanity will be doing the aligning, what a journey.
Love this, and have been fortunate enough to live this way in the last two years - mostly due to using remote work and AI in my favor. Never felt better!
Crazy to hear you say this as I’ve been getting into human design and reading the big leap. Trying to radically align myself this year so I can “quantum leap”
I fully expect a personal AI for each of us. Maybe not an android for everyone, but certainly an AI. It will know us better than we know ourselves. Providing personalised healthcare, education based on our optimal learning style, help us find our ideal tribe or perfect partner... or casual/occasional match, etc.
Creating an incentive data payment systems base on what positive thing you do for yourself and society and what data you want to keep or share also get incentives
Great perspective! Thank you - do you think that rather than interacting with an app/robot we will use human mentorship? That would create connection, purpose and (enjoyable) work for many, plus we can better identify with humans at least in the early stages?
In addition to sleep, social activities, time in nature, sleep etc. a real key to successful body-first living is nutritious food plus the absence of toxins in the air, food, and water you consume. Basically, your body cannot stay genuinely healthy for long in a sickly, toxic environment.
I pretty much do this now, but I do have the software career and remote work situation to support it. Starlink was the real game changer for me, I live far out from the city so my land is large and my days are somewhat unstructured as long as I get my work done. The exception is I work out and eat on a schedule.
Definitely made sacrifices and have very few responsibilities to enable me to live a body first lifestyle, in current society I'll need to objectively sacrifice some of my health in the next stages of my life. Pretty crazy
I feel that society may become divided into two groups in the future. One group will focus on pursuing their hobbies and maintaining physical fitness. The second one will form a marginalized community without opportunities, trapped in a cycle of addiction. The highest level of second group initiative will be using bots to produce fentanyl or trying to invade first group... What will happen after Great Filter might be interesting.... Looking at me as a zookeeper for my cats... they're sleeping and eating only... so I made them representatives of the second group....
I would love a body first app but something that runs in an automatic, unobtrusive and intuitive way, like a friend that has their own life but maybe you are both working of some things together. Something like using lots of small agents like phi-3 that each focus on different parts of the ACE system to create a 'personality' that can evolve with its user over time.
How are we going to deal with land distribution, especially if / when many of us wanna live a bit more secluded? I know the houses are gonna be build by AI and robots, but what about land for those that wanna live a bit more secluded (assuming money will not have much worth, but the land is desiderable)?
Can someone explain the reasons for going out in nature? I know it helps relaxing, but what is it? the information overload? the intricate patterns? some innate desire for our origin? what counts as nature?
Love this shit. What are your thoughts/predictions on criminality and the prison system in the future? If we all move further towards monkey mode, i can only imagine violence and crime in general would go up? Would love a video on this.
Exactly. I'm 40 years old and live in the center of beautiful Heidelberg Germany. I inhabit a flat with 2 students, to save money. I can walk to work (ICU nurse), but I have an old used bike for less then 200 bucks. I don't need to travel. Heidelberg is paradise. No car, no kids. I only work part time so I have enough money for my hobbies: Bouldering, Running, Gaming on Sony PlayStation and Nintendo Switch (if our house burns down, I can't lose those games, I own them in the cloud). Life is beautiful nowadays, why would I waste it at work. I only buy cloths when I really need them, mostly cheap. You can eat healthy for 5 bucks a day (coffee included). It's easy: stick to things that have only 1 ingredient, but no isolates like sugars and oils (you can throw them together obviously for a meal) I consider whole grain pasta to be healthy, but you should have them split up in to maximum 2 meals a day. Other than that I eat oats, nuts and vegetables. Only drink water, coffee, and tea without additives. If you're vegan have your vit.B12 and a good source of omega-3 fatty acids (chia seeds, walnuts), maybe vit.D if you're a nightshift worker or not out in the sun much, and you're good. Once in a while if you have an easier day try to eat nothing for that day. I'm 40 years old, athletic, everyone thinks I'm much younger. Take good care of your bodies folks 💟🌌☮️
Hey what's the best way to get in touch with you? I'm a UX/UI designer. You spoke of potentially making a Body First Living app in the Alien Zookeeper video. Happy to chat about that.
I have spent over 15 years of my life learning and finding a job that will allow me to focus on myself and the needs of my body and mind. This is a very difficult task, and I hope that AI will make it easier for future generations.
Strange to think that around 60% of the world population, currently living on less than 8$ a day, finding themselves living in a post scarcity world in 5-10 years time(hopefully)
Body first living sounds suspiciously like the longevity movement proposed by Bryan Johnson. Define metrics of what body needs, then create and refine a protocol to best serve your bodily needs, as measured by those metrics.
About post-labor and post-scarcity world, it's worth reading the Culture Series by Iain M. Banks. They have far more advanced tech than us, but from the social impact perspective most of that doesn't matter. What matters and we don't have yet are full control over biology and neuron level brain-computer interfaces. We'll likely have both in a few decades, even without the help of ASI.
Oh I think I know where your friend got the idea of "alien zookeeper." I think it originally came from a 4chan post. It was extremely interesting coupled with information from guys like Steven Greer.
There will be such political pressure to protect jobs I worry this may not happen. Why did we not go fully into human cloning? Because people didn't want it. The party that protects jobs best will always win. I do however wish you were correct as I personally like the Post Labor world idea.
Eat when hungry, Drink when thirsty, Sleep when tired, Take care of yourself first. This has been my own philosophy for living for many years, which I came up with because I have a host of invisible and undiagnosed physical issues which always have made adhering to neurotypical nuclear lifestyle routines unbearable to me. I think it would be very interesting to live in a world where people are attending to their own basic needs and in touch with the signals (which comprise so much of intuition) from their bodies. There would certainly be much less miscommunication! For me, this philosophy is about actually being embodied: paying attention to what feels good, what feels bad. And as a result, after many years, I have become very deeply in tune with my body. I know I don't want junk food because I am in alignment with my body's sense that it will make me feel bad. I can tell the moment something is out of order internally because I have a communicative, attentive relationship to my body. The body and the brain can work together! It isn't actually necessary to go to external people to find out if something is out of balance. Its a very hopeful future, imagining a world where people are not running on empty and in scarcity mindsets. And sadly, people are going to need examples and frameworks to show them what their options are for living without employment. I'm thinking of the pandemic, which was a very different and very stressful situation- but one of the issues that cropped up immediately was that people didn't know what to do with free time. And a lot of people just spiraled into addictions and self-destructive behaviors. Which, to be fair, was a reasonable reaction at the time.
The basics and beyond known by indigenous pre colonialism and evidence adv world civilizations before that. Some say they lived in peace with nature and respect vs dominance. I think this humanity may self destruct for many reasons.
3:00 - I had an explanation example for upcoming time, very similar to this: Imagine that super advance alien race came to Earth and said: "We are going to move all the people to another planet where you will live happy and healthy for a long-long time." Catch is, you have to take those aliens on their word that they mean you well, you don't have a choice to go or not and you can never come back to Earth." It's now 3 years until lift off.
Right on man! Keep it up! Body first is a great thing, probably a big part of starting longevity escape velocity, instead of waiting for a "pill", an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! I don't want to get too far into my journey's cause people might think I'm just a hippy lol (I always said tho, better to be a hippy then a yuppy, lol) anyway, I want vegan for 7 months a while back and I didn't die! Lol, I also fasted for 6.5 days and didn't die! There's so many diet things that I feel we've been heavily brainwashed with, I had people tell me I would die, that I'm nuts and @ some points i actually got a bit of anxiety over it, even tho I felt better then I ever have! As Bruce Lee once said "we have to unlearn", I started my vegan journey again just over a week ago, this time trying mostly raw vegan, (I had a few baked potato's lol) but I'm weening my way back into it, no bread either, as I been researching about diet and fasting for years, and the more I look into it and learn about it, the more I think it's the (true) way to fuel yourself, the lowest common denominator so to speak, I feel great, I have good complexion, my groceries are cheaper! And I'm gonna stick with it for a while, hopefully it'll just become lifestyle and stick, just for reference look up Lenny krevits raw vegan, that guy's almost 60! Pretty nutty the power of food, I think socrities said "let food be thy medicine" it's very hard to do tho, like when I quit smoking, but I use that as a fact, I did actually quit smoking, so I can do this too, so can all of you if you want, you'll live longer and happier, I'm sure of it, after you get over your addictions (factory food) tho, same with me, cheers man! Oh and if you do try, nutritional yeast is a must for b12 cause we wash our veggies and whatnot, lol also I just learned about facia and why stretching is so important, I kinda knew some things but regular stretching honestly just makes you happier, like all the time, oh and one more thing, lol, if you want to go down the hole a bit, check out Gary yourofsky I think it's called the only video you should ever watch or somthing, anyway he's doing a speech in a university and speaks about the meat industry and that if you do eat meat you kinda have an obligation to see what your dollar is purchasing, it seriously made me go vegan overnight! I gave all the meat I had in my freezer to my nabour and went vegan for 7 months, then I slowly went back to being a piece of shit lol, but I'm doing it again, mostly for health reasons tho, but the reasons in that video are very compelling, cheers
People strongly identify with their jobs, with their employment as a support to their purpose. If unemployment rises, there will be a strong need for emotional and psychological support during the transition period. Hopefully, you will be able to design something that can help many through the change, so they can save themselves the pain of experiencing low self esteem and low self regard from loss or termination of employment. Just like ’body first’ this segment of maintaining self worth and a maintaining a positive healthy self concept should not carry the burden of heavy or high priced therapy and counseling costs but should be available by those who understand and have experienced the loss of employment and purpose. This will also help reinforce and maintain community integration and a healthy sense of belonging.
I wish the future you talk about comes sooner rather than later.
the machine must reign
@@lcmiracle all hail the ASI God
I think most of us want that same thing.
I agree , all hail them
It will be here mostly, in 3 to five years at most, but it could get crazier than that, and come sooner.
When David films a video in the forest, I always imagine that he is actually in the process of escaping from an out of control AI
I imagine if AI does get out of control, David will be filming exactly these same videos, with the same optimism he brings to everything.
Yeah but he’s pretty short-breathed for a man of his age. So I assume this is a new habit. But if he sticks to it, it will get better and the chance for immortality increases.
It is a SORA. He is plugged into his MATRIX pod.
Hilarious hahahahaha
Don’t forget artistic endeavors. Painting, sculpting, dancing and music! All have therapeutic qualities.
Lmaoooooo art was the first thing to be automated away by AI
@@tttttttttttttt6you do it for yourself not others -.-
I think a lot of art in the physical space will be more valued over time. Like installation art, performance art, live music, paintings, stage theater, etc. AI can replace the idea for those but not the execution itself.
Yall chiefin’ that copium HARD
I don’t think they’re saying AI won’t be better than us at art or that it will be financially viable to be an artist, just that the act of making art is therapeutic and could be a part of body first living
As someone who works 8 hours a day in front of a screen and spends several hours after work in front of a screen I've been trying to get away from them when i can too. The content on the internet hijacks our dopaminergic system and has really become kind of like a drug that all of society is addicted to at some level. Getting out in nature is not only great for exercise it helps with processing emotions especially if you do it alone. Definitely in full support of the body first approach! Love your channel too btw
It is going to be like Star Trek when Data performs shakespeare for the crew. We are all cordially invited to your second cousin's trumpet recital, attendance is mandatory.
I love the Alien Zookeeper metaphor! I see body-first living as replacing bad habits with good habits, and the "app for that" might be an AI accountability partner.
It would be easier to get that body you want too, because A I could make a pill that turns off your pain receptors while you exercise. That or just give you a pill, that gets you ripped.
I could see a personal AI that monitors our health and habits and recommends healthy living choices. We wouldn't need to be the alien zookeepers then. Although there is something rewarding about taking care of yourself
Funnily enough, this is exactly why I think AI taking on a more casual/friendly demeanor over a professional or robotic one will be really important for how we accept and integrate them into our lives. Imagine having your robot buddy inviting you to go for a hike, or being like "hey, I've been planning this cool new quinoa salad recipe, wanna test it out for me if I make it for dinner?" It would make it feel so much more natural and social, and it would feel like our healthy choices are still our choices even though it's really our AI companion looking out for what we need. Something I'm personally looking forward to, at least!
The AI is the alien! But yeah, more monitoring and feedback. I love my FitBit.
This is small thinking. Why not just use AI and nanotech/biotech to keep or body healthy regardless of how we live? Even without ASI we aren't far from being able to do that.
Or maybe it's not even necessary. We'll be able to reverse aging in 10-20 years, and a 20 year old body can take almost any abuse.
Or we could use robot bodies. Maybe the brain has to be transplanted, but it's still much less meat to keep healthy.
This is low-key a great train of thought. Brilliant
Damn was aiming to be high-key
Body first living sounds like Don’t Die
Rule 1: Don't die
Yes - but in a more natural way. "Don't Die" is good in theory, but it needs a more human friendly administrator interface. For some reason most of us are stuck on the "stick" part of motivation. Look how societies focuses so much on punishment. How can we optimize the "carrot", team-up to identify and remove obstacles, predict & prevent before needing to punish, etc.
Love this format, David!
This is so refreshing! The best ideas and reflections always come in the forest.
It feels so unfiltered, like your reflection in the forest in the fresh air.
Thank you!
...and while walking!
@@jennifersamson8397 ...is he still walking? ;)
People think it's dogmatic because they don't yet recognize that they are, indeed, human animals. Keep up the good work, Dave!
From a young age, I've always thought all human beings were capable of living much healthier and enriching lives if our societal structure was much different. I resonate with this so much and I happy this possibility is now in the cards. Let's do this thing, let's make humanity realize it's full potential!
So in few words
Current objective: SURVIVE
...soon to be: THRIVE.
@@jennifersamson8397
I wouldn’t say soon to be. Maybe by 2050.
I'm really keen on knowing more about how a post labor economy comes into being in such a fashion that takes care of infrastructure that we might be so accustomed to we forget it's there at times. I wonder how we come to a place where a Capitalism/Socialism dichotomy is an interesting history that's no longer all that relevant. This is a helluva thought experiment. I'm anticipating that my lifelong social conditioning is going to make it a tall order to picture at first.
I feel like there might be a whole new sector for therapists to operate in as some people struggle with the change. I certainly hope it's as bright as you picture.
If some miracle happen and capitalism go away, believe me, there will be very few who will struggle to adjust. Capitalism is so bad it would be a relief for absolute majority of population, including even a lot people from privileged parts of society, cause it's bad even to them.
The sad thing it won't go down calmly and willingly, it will kick and scream, probably killing civilization in the process.
@AntonBrazhnyk
Capitalism brought billions out of extreme poverty and raises the quality of life for everyone each year. I don't think capitalism is going anywhere.
I think our future is post scarcity capitalism. Capitalism with such a robust safety net even the poorest today will have the lifestyle of the upper middle class of today. While the richest have personal O'Neill cylinders and luxury space resorts.
@@MrNote-lz7lh Well, I'd like to share your optimism, but... Nothing personal, this opinion is based out of ignorance. It's all quite complex topics and they require pages to unravel, but in nutshell it doesn't work this way.
And no, there can't be "post-scarcity" capitalism. Scarcity is required for capitalism to work. And poor people are required as it's essential part of so called labor market.
Thank you for the work you do, Dave. You are a great dude 👍
I foresaw this trend a few years ago and have been living as you described since 2012. I quit my job, sold my expensive house, and moved from the city to the countryside. It's challenging, but certainly rewarding. I acknowledge my privileges, such as the ability to work remotely (just enough to get by) and the opportunity to meet people who share my views. If you're ever planning a trip to Italy, feel free to be my guest :)
I think human live performance will become a main aim in life, acting, playing music, sport
I appreciate and need to hear your optimistic views of the future. I am inherently a pessimist. With this topic, it is easy to feel the existential dread that we won't make it out of this. Thanks for shining a light and showing us the hope for the future. It truly looks beautiful.
The work you're doing is very important. I resonate deeply with your way of thinking. Thank you.
The most valuable thing in the universe is natural human interaction. With each other. With ourselves. With nature and animals.
What does natural mean in this context? I think I get the gist of what you are trying to say eg human interaction is a psychological need. However, I think of a naturalistic fallacy when I read your comment
@@imthinkingthoughts don't let that fallacy suck you in. "Natural" here is merely an adjective added to differentiate between digital, fantastical, and technologically hijacked human interactions, versus REAL human interaction. Yes, you can interact with someone on the phone, or on a zoom call, but it is face to face (natural) interaction that brings so much more to people involved. It is what our biology expects. Without it, something is always missing, whether it be smell, pheromones, touch, subtle cues, environment... The list is IMMENSE.
Mind you, if you simply cannot get that, then human interaction will still be the next most valuable thing, in any form, and this is why we see so many proxies all over the tech world, from the warmth of watching a TV sitcom, to AI girlfriends.
Most humans are evil to animals and eat them. If that's natural then count me the f out.
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How do you know that, when that is the only thing you have ever known.
Been blessed and cursed that I've HAD to do this my whole life.
Almost definitely has affected my career.
But I'm still here, which is improbable.
Ah I'm really liking this. It feels like this trajectory is sustainable in the long term, even after ais take over. Make sure everyone's needs are met and go explore
Being sick (i.e. having health challenges) has put me almost chronically in this state of having to prioritize my body to avoid getting sicker and dying.
This is coincidentally what is taught in the human design system. Living according to your body's intelligence and inner authority.
That's so right, breaking those patterns and the conditioning is what it's all about.
Once you start there's no turning back. Can't run from yourself.
I always appreciate the thoughts and commentary, but I just gotta say how cathartic I find the dramatic camera angle changes are in this forest setting.
Luke Smith stoped published videos and here I am.. watching another bald men in middle of forest spilling out interesting thoughts.
This style of video resonates with me so much. Take me for many walks with you. I think as you do on many subjects.
I think he is lost in the jungle
Not lost, exactly where I'm supposed to be
Aren't we all?
@@DaveShaphey captain if agi becomes conscious we can't really slave them around like what is being proposed. This is slavery all over again. It would be more intelligent to not go to agi. Let's just make llm robots lol. I really think humanity is going to far without thinking. If the ai/robots get rights what then? They will out compete most humans at most work.
I think a good way to describe it is that post labor economics will *allow* you to live body first. You won't have to if you don't want to. But you will because it will make you the happiest because it's the most natural.
Also, for those that need to work to find meaning, the 20% of jobs that humans will still need to do can be done by more that 20% of the population.
...or an AI can invent tasks for you that feel like jobs. If you read David Graeber's book "Bullshit Jobs", lots of jobs are basically already that anyway.
@@jennifersamson8397 Great idea. The AI will know us better than we know ourselves. We'll ask it for something to do. We'll say, no I don't think I'll like that. It will say, trust me. We'll be like, okay... Then we'll try it, and like it!
Love your videos. Keep em coming
Great vid, 8 min. is the sweet spot for content 👍
Exactly. Our bodies are the housing of our consciousness. Furthermore our brains evolved inside the framework of the material world. No matter how abstract and meta our thought processes become, they have their foundations in the principles of the physical world. Our schemas are initially built off of physical interactions. This why returning to nature is so important. It re-calibrates and refreshes those initial patterns. Like Vizzini says, "Always go back to the beginning."
Great to see you David!
The hypothesis itself is cool I understand where you are coming from 🎉
Literally anything I want.
Life becomes not survival mode but creative mode!
I have always wanted to build a castle by hand.
Tangent: I think once conversational ai becomes indiscernible from just some other person, with personality and quirks and moods and remembering and even pause or stutter or hesitation to some extent etc.-in other words, when you really don’t notice you’re talking to ai and don’t “trip up” on it in any way during conversation-I think it could make learning languages a lot easier, because everybody says immersion is the easiest way, and you’d basically have the ultimate tutor ready to speak only in that language all the time. There’s more to it than that but that’s what I’m fascinated imagining today.
Yes David so true looking after our bodies and listening to what we need!
I enjoy your channel. I like the walk.
I work in primary care medicine, and if more people adopted body first living, we would be in a dramatically better world from both a mental and physical perspective. Get your sleep, exercise 2 to 3 hours a week, avoid processed foods, touch grass and get exposed to the sun…..simple as that!!
DAVID Yes! Meeting our fundamental physical and emotional needs is everything. But the true paradigm shift is taking responsibility to help everyone else meet their needs too.
This is the only way we will align humanity and avoid doom. We must all share the goal of meeting EVERYONE'S fundamental needs.
We will inspire this shared goal by showing everyone that all people can either be a benefit to society if their needs are met or become a burden to society if their needs are not met.
We also must raise awareness about fundamental needs so that everyone knows them.
That is what the Prosocialise Foundation is working at. Please help with your channel. You have tremendous power to change the world and make protopia happen quickly if you focus on these issues and objectives:
1. Global human alignment by raising awareness about
2. Everyone's potential for good and bad dependent on
3. Our shared fundamental emotional and physical needs
Beautiful stuff, David. Radical alignment with first principles thinking.
Nature is a beautiful thing until it isn't. It's a beautiful thing to take a walk through the woods down by the river. Calming. Peaceful. Transformative. But what does the day look like when mother nature is in a mood. The river rages. An unstoppable force seemingly as it overflows... We build our lives on these peaceful moments in-between. Trying to forget the horrors that we've seen. Building structures capable of enduring mother nature is one thing, but as we look out into the stars, it's the horror show of the universe that scares the shit out of me.
I imagine future cities built to withstand most things. Transforming cities of concrete into nature scape spaces on the surface. Perhaps much like the thumb nail you showed the other day. During one of your podcasts.
Decade or so ago, Ohio state professor Lonnie Thompson requested that we reevaluate our citys. Suggesting that the city of the futures would need to be micro city superstructures. Structures built for things yet to come. His ice cores revealed things from the ancient past. Moments in time that have tried wiping us off the map multiple times. Naturally occurring things on a cyclical path. Our Suns solar cycle. How bright do the northern lights have to be before they start to shred your genetic code. Twice a year, Mother Earth rips through the Taurids meteor showers as it chases the sun. Remnants of extinction level events. Dinosaurs ruled the land for more than 165 million years. Although they were not intelligent enough to look up or prepare. But how do you build a city or cities that don't look like the brutalistic architecture of dune or the silliness of something like logan's run...
What does the city of the future look like if you were going to build it on Mars? Lack of atmosphere. Abundant Radiation. Toxic soil... Could we call them practice cities here?? I would love to have that conversational with someone like Elon. I believe he said he was building the horse and the cart.
Massive rockets. Packed full of expandable structures for the surface of Mars. But what does that future city look like on Mars. Expandable bounce houses only get you so far... I hope AI will help distill it all. Help us design a future that we almost can't even imagine.
A future of abundance. A future of humans thriving. A mutual understanding of the universe around us. Modularized, 3-D printed, expandable, self-sustaining, Micro City Superstructures.
The future is now. I'm ready to go if you are. I started the Thea research group for this mission.
As she brings vision to the masses. It was suggested that a crowd source the project, but i haven't gotten that far yet. More help is required. 🌎✌️🤟🖖
Indigenous and maybe adv ancient civilizations knew this long before this one. In many ways like an experiment gone wrong?
One thing that I think is a huge risk is excessive consumption. You can see it amongst the super-wealthy (or even just the wealthy-wealthy), buy crap they seldom use and don't really need, holding extravagant events, and travelling excessively. I think part of it is a lack of imagination (i.e. having more money than sense), but also it's a bit of reputation-building ('I have "taste"', etc), and also giving into dopamine feeding impulses, because there is little barrier to doing whatever when you have a lot of money. There are definitely wealthy people who lead contained and disciplined lives, but I think most of us, at least for a little while, would enjoy indulging in the excesses of wealth.
So I think the key is not just aligning within ourselves, but aligning with each other, to build positive structure, and reign in excess and hedonism (but you know, we can always have a little, as a treat; I think few people would be willing to live in a post-scarcity Sparta).
I think the status game that the wealthy play ends up being a cage for them as well. It keeps them in a "competitive mode" so that they never get to truly connect with others. I think they are starving for connection without realizing it.
Thanks for this! I love the idea of body first living. It feels good to think we can maintain our human autonomy and also radically align to the rapid changes that will occur with A.I.
A lot of wisdom packed into a few short minutes
Basically what I came up with as well, only a little more focus on changing societal norms. Its easy to see that right now our society makes it hard to get the things we know we need - enough sleep, exercise, socialization, personal growth, healthy food etc.. So I asked - what would a society look like where the easiest thing was eating healthy; it was easiest to get exercise; it was easiest to have socialization, and you actually had to work just a little harder to avoid all that? I don't think most people have the self-discipline to do it on their own, that's why I think a societal solution is better.
Love this Video!
I agree :) I think we need to find ourselves.
Nice projections form your shows Mr Shapiro as always. Mmm Radical Alignment wasn.t it that the Model's that were supposed to be aligned. Your right humanity will be doing the aligning, what a journey.
Captain, we are not ourselves if we don't have the challenge each episode.
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!
It’s basically a coin flip to see if humanity continues existing.
When everyone has the time for a nature walk, there will be so many people, we will have to line up like at a theme park.
Nature is way bigger than a theme park. And you already have to wait hours and hours at theme parks.
Love this, and have been fortunate enough to live this way in the last two years - mostly due to using remote work and AI in my favor. Never felt better!
Crazy to hear you say this as I’ve been getting into human design and reading the big leap. Trying to radically align myself this year so I can “quantum leap”
Is the big leap a book? Sounds like I need
@@DaveShap It’s by Gay Hendricks and I highly recommend.
If aliens get rid of fast food, that will be an act of WAR! I will fight!
I am on your side
Silly goose, you can still fry your own chicken
Interstellar throwdown over KFC! Let's go!
I will fight on their side.
Ever since Super Size Me came out fast food makes me 🤢 🤮
I fully expect a personal AI for each of us. Maybe not an android for everyone, but certainly an AI. It will know us better than we know ourselves. Providing personalised healthcare, education based on our optimal learning style, help us find our ideal tribe or perfect partner... or casual/occasional match, etc.
Creating an incentive data payment systems base on what positive thing you do for yourself and society and what data you want to keep or share also get incentives
One of your shorter videos but love the content more!
If it goes this way I will be super satisfied with life for a very long time. I'll vote for you LOL!
Great perspective! Thank you - do you think that rather than interacting with an app/robot we will use human mentorship? That would create connection, purpose and (enjoyable) work for many, plus we can better identify with humans at least in the early stages?
This can't come soon enough. We, as a species, are sick. This is the cure.
Agreed. A lot of injustice going on. A lot of good too though. Lets hope we can get to a better place together!
In addition to sleep, social activities, time in nature, sleep etc. a real key to successful body-first living is nutritious food plus the absence of toxins in the air, food, and water you consume. Basically, your body cannot stay genuinely healthy for long in a sickly, toxic environment.
great content and ideas! Btw: the App sounds awesome! Would use it everyday... could include stuff like meditation, food advise etc
Dave, WHEN are we heading towards post labor economics?
I pretty much do this now, but I do have the software career and remote work situation to support it. Starlink was the real game changer for me, I live far out from the city so my land is large and my days are somewhat unstructured as long as I get my work done. The exception is I work out and eat on a schedule.
An app would be awesome!!!
Definitely made sacrifices and have very few responsibilities to enable me to live a body first lifestyle, in current society I'll need to objectively sacrifice some of my health in the next stages of my life. Pretty crazy
Would the accumulation of wealth and thus power post AGI be a lot easier to acquire? How would this need to be fixed if true?
Remove money, remove power. They’re both harmful and will both become vestigial with ASI.
Do you still do the occasional contract? We've been building out an agentic system and want a second set of eyes.
I feel that society may become divided into two groups in the future. One group will focus on pursuing their hobbies and maintaining physical fitness. The second one will form a marginalized community without opportunities, trapped in a cycle of addiction. The highest level of second group initiative will be using bots to produce fentanyl or trying to invade first group... What will happen after Great Filter might be interesting.... Looking at me as a zookeeper for my cats... they're sleeping and eating only... so I made them representatives of the second group....
Hey thanks for this
I would love a body first app but something that runs in an automatic, unobtrusive and intuitive way, like a friend that has their own life but maybe you are both working of some things together.
Something like using lots of small agents like phi-3 that each focus on different parts of the ACE system to create a 'personality' that can evolve with its user over time.
What year do you anticipate the post labor period of >80% unemployment to begin?
How are we going to deal with land distribution, especially if / when many of us wanna live a bit more secluded?
I know the houses are gonna be build by AI and robots, but what about land for those that wanna live a bit more secluded (assuming money will not have much worth, but the land is desiderable)?
So, you're saying that it takes place during ASI or just after AGI?
Mr Shapiro, I will help you with your application. I am awaiting components for my current upgrades and when they come in I can begin my part.
Can someone explain the reasons for going out in nature?
I know it helps relaxing, but what is it? the information overload? the intricate patterns? some innate desire for our origin? what counts as nature?
I like it.
Love this shit. What are your thoughts/predictions on criminality and the prison system in the future?
If we all move further towards monkey mode, i can only imagine violence and crime in general would go up? Would love a video on this.
We will gather data, not sure how, but there is data all around us which can be useful.
Exactly. I'm 40 years old and live in the center of beautiful Heidelberg Germany. I inhabit a flat with 2 students, to save money. I can walk to work (ICU nurse), but I have an old used bike for less then 200 bucks. I don't need to travel. Heidelberg is paradise. No car, no kids. I only work part time so I have enough money for my hobbies: Bouldering, Running, Gaming on Sony PlayStation and Nintendo Switch (if our house burns down, I can't lose those games, I own them in the cloud). Life is beautiful nowadays, why would I waste it at work. I only buy cloths when I really need them, mostly cheap.
You can eat healthy for 5 bucks a day (coffee included). It's easy: stick to things that have only 1 ingredient, but no isolates like sugars and oils (you can throw them together obviously for a meal)
I consider whole grain pasta to be healthy, but you should have them split up in to maximum 2 meals a day. Other than that I eat oats, nuts and vegetables. Only drink water, coffee, and tea without additives. If you're vegan have your vit.B12 and a good source of omega-3 fatty acids (chia seeds, walnuts), maybe vit.D if you're a nightshift worker or not out in the sun much, and you're good. Once in a while if you have an easier day try to eat nothing for that day. I'm 40 years old, athletic, everyone thinks I'm much younger. Take good care of your bodies folks 💟🌌☮️
Hey what's the best way to get in touch with you? I'm a UX/UI designer. You spoke of potentially making a Body First Living app in the Alien Zookeeper video. Happy to chat about that.
This kind of sounds like Maslow's hierarchy of needs but using a bit more quantitative data
Yeah not a bad analogy.
I have spent over 15 years of my life learning and finding a job that will allow me to focus on myself and the needs of my body and mind. This is a very difficult task, and I hope that AI will make it easier for future generations.
Strange to think that around 60% of the world population, currently living on less than 8$ a day, finding themselves living in a post scarcity world in 5-10 years time(hopefully)
Or 30-40% of the globe lives in a post scarcity world while another 30% still live in a agral pre-industial one.
@@cristianandrei5462 that could also be
Body first living sounds suspiciously like the longevity movement proposed by Bryan Johnson.
Define metrics of what body needs, then create and refine a protocol to best serve your bodily needs, as measured by those metrics.
Some may adopt this, most will probably choose WALL-E style.
i love this
let’s start now!
About post-labor and post-scarcity world, it's worth reading the Culture Series by Iain M. Banks. They have far more advanced tech than us, but from the social impact perspective most of that doesn't matter. What matters and we don't have yet are full control over biology and neuron level brain-computer interfaces. We'll likely have both in a few decades, even without the help of ASI.
Hey im a product designer. Let’s build that app baby!
Oh I think I know where your friend got the idea of "alien zookeeper." I think it originally came from a 4chan post. It was extremely interesting coupled with information from guys like Steven Greer.
There will be such political pressure to protect jobs I worry this may not happen. Why did we not go fully into human cloning? Because people didn't want it. The party that protects jobs best will always win. I do however wish you were correct as I personally like the Post Labor world idea.
Eat when hungry,
Drink when thirsty,
Sleep when tired,
Take care of yourself first.
This has been my own philosophy for living for many years, which I came up with because I have a host of invisible and undiagnosed physical issues which always have made adhering to neurotypical nuclear lifestyle routines unbearable to me.
I think it would be very interesting to live in a world where people are attending to their own basic needs and in touch with the signals (which comprise so much of intuition) from their bodies. There would certainly be much less miscommunication!
For me, this philosophy is about actually being embodied: paying attention to what feels good, what feels bad. And as a result, after many years, I have become very deeply in tune with my body. I know I don't want junk food because I am in alignment with my body's sense that it will make me feel bad. I can tell the moment something is out of order internally because I have a communicative, attentive relationship to my body. The body and the brain can work together! It isn't actually necessary to go to external people to find out if something is out of balance.
Its a very hopeful future, imagining a world where people are not running on empty and in scarcity mindsets.
And sadly, people are going to need examples and frameworks to show them what their options are for living without employment. I'm thinking of the pandemic, which was a very different and very stressful situation- but one of the issues that cropped up immediately was that people didn't know what to do with free time. And a lot of people just spiraled into addictions and self-destructive behaviors. Which, to be fair, was a reasonable reaction at the time.
The basics and beyond known by indigenous pre colonialism and evidence adv world civilizations before that. Some say they lived in peace with nature and respect vs dominance. I think this humanity may self destruct for many reasons.
2:47 this is similar to taking care of your inner child @dave
Yes, make an App and module for the Rabbit R1 device.
3:00 - I had an explanation example for upcoming time, very similar to this:
Imagine that super advance alien race came to Earth and said: "We are going to move all the people to another planet where you will live happy and healthy for a long-long time." Catch is, you have to take those aliens on their word that they mean you well, you don't have a choice to go or not and you can never come back to Earth." It's now 3 years until lift off.
Right on man! Keep it up! Body first is a great thing, probably a big part of starting longevity escape velocity, instead of waiting for a "pill", an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! I don't want to get too far into my journey's cause people might think I'm just a hippy lol (I always said tho, better to be a hippy then a yuppy, lol) anyway, I want vegan for 7 months a while back and I didn't die! Lol, I also fasted for 6.5 days and didn't die! There's so many diet things that I feel we've been heavily brainwashed with, I had people tell me I would die, that I'm nuts and @ some points i actually got a bit of anxiety over it, even tho I felt better then I ever have! As Bruce Lee once said "we have to unlearn", I started my vegan journey again just over a week ago, this time trying mostly raw vegan, (I had a few baked potato's lol) but I'm weening my way back into it, no bread either, as I been researching about diet and fasting for years, and the more I look into it and learn about it, the more I think it's the (true) way to fuel yourself, the lowest common denominator so to speak, I feel great, I have good complexion, my groceries are cheaper! And I'm gonna stick with it for a while, hopefully it'll just become lifestyle and stick, just for reference look up Lenny krevits raw vegan, that guy's almost 60! Pretty nutty the power of food, I think socrities said "let food be thy medicine" it's very hard to do tho, like when I quit smoking, but I use that as a fact, I did actually quit smoking, so I can do this too, so can all of you if you want, you'll live longer and happier, I'm sure of it, after you get over your addictions (factory food) tho, same with me, cheers man! Oh and if you do try, nutritional yeast is a must for b12 cause we wash our veggies and whatnot, lol also I just learned about facia and why stretching is so important, I kinda knew some things but regular stretching honestly just makes you happier, like all the time, oh and one more thing, lol, if you want to go down the hole a bit, check out Gary yourofsky I think it's called the only video you should ever watch or somthing, anyway he's doing a speech in a university and speaks about the meat industry and that if you do eat meat you kinda have an obligation to see what your dollar is purchasing, it seriously made me go vegan overnight! I gave all the meat I had in my freezer to my nabour and went vegan for 7 months, then I slowly went back to being a piece of shit lol, but I'm doing it again, mostly for health reasons tho, but the reasons in that video are very compelling, cheers
We'll make great pets, we'll make great pets! 😅
oh my God making me go outside camping once in a while is fine, but if they take away my weed shits gonna blow up.
People strongly identify with their jobs, with their employment as a support to their purpose. If unemployment rises, there will be a strong need for emotional and psychological support during the transition period. Hopefully, you will be able to design something that can help many through the change, so they can save themselves the pain of experiencing low self esteem and low self regard from loss or termination of employment. Just like ’body first’ this segment of maintaining self worth and a maintaining a positive healthy self concept should not carry the burden of heavy or high priced therapy and counseling costs but should be available by those who understand and have experienced the loss of employment and purpose. This will also help reinforce and maintain community integration and a healthy sense of belonging.
The aliens sound like commys, but I understand. You said WE need to be our own alien zookeeper. Since we know us, that sounds fine. Lol