The Shocking Downfall of Mojang
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2022
- Mojang hasn't been delivering on player expectations for the past couple of years and players are getting tired of it. Here's a summary of Minecraft's downward spiral, and how Mojang can save it.
Ask Mojang: What happened to the fireflies in Minecraft 1.19?
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Mojang underpromised with 1.16. There was so much content that wasn't shown at MC that was a surprise in snapshots. We need that again.
Yeah the first snapshot blew my mind.
1.16 or also known as Best Version for speedruning 😢
Yeah I remember when they showed it at mine on I was like that was kinda short looks cool but looks small then it ended up huge then with the Wild update we were under delivered
i think mojang are clearly exhausted and need a break before they can go on with these updates. it may have something to do with the pandemic, maybe they lost a ton of employees, maybe something else.
@@bluepineappleguy doesnt change the fact that they showed to much
Mojang showed Concept art for swamps right after the Birch Forest one. Which doesn't help thier case.
Gas lighting the players.
@@Isaiah-ft5nx really though! Especially slicelime attacking the community and tying to guilt trip us. Really shitty
This is everything I've been saying. I fully believe that Mojang needs to take a step back, do a smaller update and not say anything that they are not committed to. Just play a bit of catch up. Caves and cliffs was a huge update which we still doing have everything from. I think if instead of huge update after huge update, they instead had a large update then a small update to catch up on anything they need to while planning out the next big update, their work flow would be much more sustainable. You can't keep making huge update after huge update consistently
Edit: my biggest problem though is how Mojang basically tried to gaslight the community about birch forests
The Wild Update is a smaller update compared to the last few we’ve seen. So I disagree that the next update should be smaller.
@@thegeostormgd9830 Next update should be Parity!
@@PoisonFlower765 Every update has parity features in it, but having one entire update dedicated to it is kind of pointless because future updates will eventually add things that aren’t identical in both versions, thus needing more parity, and it would also be kind of boring of an update
I don't think they are gaslighting us at all? If you watch the clip they mention they want diversity and for biomes to have their own feel. Then they say as an example and show the birch forest. Never do they show IN GAME footage like they do for every other feature where they have something to show. Concept art in this case does not mean a promise when with every other feature presented gets an in game showcase.
@@thegeostormgd9830 Agreed, we kinda get small updates after big updates, like the Ocean Update in 1.13, pretty sure few things were affected outside the ocean and it expanded Ocean content, like coral reefs, more fishes to eat etc.
Keep in mind, this was after the Exploration Update which added, this added the Woodland Mansion and the Maps for the Ocean Temple and Mansion respectively, after the Ocean Update was the Village and Pillage then Bees Updates, and then the Nether Update which we can all agree upon was pretty massive and then the Caves and Cliffs, so in short, this is pretty much a small update compared to the ones we've received
I think that 1.20 should be some sort of catch up update, where instead of implementing newer features, they take a step back and finish some projects they may have already started,
It would not be massive, about as big as buzzy bees, but it would not only give the devs a break as there’s less to code, but also show the players that features that get cut *actually* have a chance of coming back
I think that's a great idea! The one reason I feel like they might not do a catchup update or revisit the cut features any time soon is that the PR team won't want Caves and Cliffs part 4 jokes.
Yeah I could see that, but it would be cool to finally get old features
We’re still missing ostriches and proper Savannahs which were given a demo ages ago.
Something they could refine that immediatly comes to mind are horses. Maybe they could make them faster (and better) and make special weapons for them
end ores.
I’m a programmer and while I am not as familiarized with Minecraft dev I do think this *should* be feasible for a AAA studio with the most successful game in the world, Mojang puts an artificial development barrier on themselves by thinking what fits the game for months on end because of their sometimes illogical invisible rules such as “real life mobs can’t be hostile. I feel that if you gave Re-Logic a shot at a minecraft update (with the necessary knowledge) they would do a much better job not only concept-wise but also mechanically. Take for example the Deep Dark, it took 2 YEARS to make it and while its an awesome addition, did it really needed to take 2 years? the loot isn’t even worth the risk at all, great concept but gameplay wise it adds almost nothing to the gameplay loop.
They don’t even follow their own rules. Polar bears are real life mobs and are often hostile to the player.
The deepdark is optional, as people would complain for being forced to fight it if it replaced the strongholds, as not everyone wants to fight the warden, plus the portal
Yeah the updates do feel slow for how big they are. I wonder if it's because they support so many different platforms? Now that I think about it, I honestly have no clue why it takes Mojang so long to release new features.
@@sausagetuti its like the strongholds when they were first added in bedrock, they were pretty hard at the time for its winding corridors and hallways giving mobs plenty of space to spawn and is optional and pointless as the end dimension was to be added later, its loot is also pretty bad, it wasnt a finished structure, and i think thats what the deepdark is now, theres a portal at the center, that would be the main reason to go there, but give them time, they clearly arent capable of pumping gigantic updates everytime, and the times they do usually has a small prelude update.
@@charlestonianbuilder344 just because gameplay is optional doesn't mean it should be subpar
minecraft's updates have been mid as fuck recently and it's gameplay is getting stale
I love minecraft and mojang, and clearly they seem to be in an uncomfortable situation. Once the wild update is released, I think they should indeed work on a smaller update and start working on a nice overhaul of biomes that just like the swamp could be beautiful and alive.
The """wild""" update was a small update, they didnt even changed the swamps, they just added frogs with an unfinished biome and the warden, deep dark and ancient cities that were caves and cliffs features
So the only new things they added were frogs, mangrove, and mud
Dont tell me thats not a small update in relation to the name "wild" update, they could have named it "frog update" and im sure people would not be mad
The other way around, they may work in something bigger.
I beleive the Wild Update was made to be that "smaller update" but Mojang never clarified that and as such it could've led to the backlash they recieved.
Perhaps if Mojang talked about how the Caves and Cliffs development was hard for them and how they needed something simple to work on to wind down from such ambitious development such backlash would not be occurring right now.
@@Jesus-qv5sw I don't believe them anymore
@@theperfectionist1607 me too, i think that they are gonna skip real wild update for forgetting it and we will lose the opportunity for improved overworld biomes, and they are gonna "promise" end update but they are gonna split it on like 3 parts.
"The situation is totally salvageable"
Welp... not with that chat report system...
"We want to breathe life into biomes, LIKE THE BIRCH FOREST, like this beautiful concept art, WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THIS"
The “Wild Update” should have been a thorough rehaul of all the outdated overworld biomes that haven’t been touched in a decade. There is no valid reason to keep the old swamps, old birch forests, old deserts and old savannahs in the game as they are. They are all outdated amateur attempts at biome design which are long overdue for a facelift and desperately need to be upgraded.
agreed
I like to keep the old swamps cause I really don't like destroying a nice looking biome for resources so now I can do that in the old swamps and still keep the new one looking beautiful. Besides, why would you want to limit the amount of biomes Minecraft has.
I think there is a lot of reasons to keep old biomes, especially with the Swamp, given that it's wetlands terrain, unique dirt colors, but relatively clear and open treeline give make a biome that feels somewhat higher difficulty to traverse than a normal biome, but also isn't nearly as crowded and difficult to traverse as the Mangrove Swamp, allowing new players to feel like they can still live within a swamp, and also allows players to actually obtain slime. The old swamp provides opportunities that the Mangrove swamp could not.
On the other hand, I definitely agree that the biome needs an update still, they didn’t really address any of the swamps problems, (Like the really ugly oak trees) and instead just created a new biome
Why wouldnu ever scrap old biomes if u owned the game? I wouldnt want to kill A bunch of content from MY multimillion dollar purchase
You forgot one biome in that update list: the jungle. Sure it’s got bamboo and parrots, but jungles in reality are some of the most diverse ecosystems ever, and in Minecraft, there’s not a lot of homage to that.
Mojang never was a shining example how to interact with the community.
It's just people overlooking problems that existed for years now
They sort of were until the game's popularity outpaced their ability to keep up with everything, and especially until Micro$oft bought them out. Early Minecraft very much so had interaction between the community and developers, I mean Dinnerbone even played on Mindcrack!
The ever controversial 1.9 update, along with the refusal to add sharks, really were the beginnings of this whole mess, although it was kept at bay for many years. Things really began to nosedive after the nether update, the whole realism debate, and of course mob votes. And then the final nail on the coffin, chat reporting.
i miss when mokant owned it i mean sure maybe we wouldn’t have camels o4 sniffers but microsoft ruined it it’s really annoying when ppl blame moj and microsoft owns it blame microsoft
i definitely think that an ambience update (maybe it could be called ‘the atmosphere update’), and then an end update would make most sense for mojang right now. it shouldn’t be too complex to implement, and it would help get them back on track in terms of their development timelines, and would most likely be well received by the community.
An end update is at the very top of my wish list. Hopefully we'll see one in the next couple of years!
Its very sad cause I do not think there will be an end update just because they have said they want the end to feel like a bare wasteland. I love the idea of an atmospheric update though, where they mainly work on new sound effects and maybe more cave like sounds and little buzz of mosquitoes. Maybe some creaks when you walk across wood planks. So cool! Plus the fireflies and anything else they add! Maybe leaves falling from trees and have different colored ones would be very cool
@@starsofskies2328 You can add more end biomes while keeping its barren feel.
We already had an end update
@BLAH 2.0 yeah dude they didnt add much, just a way of flying in survival, an entire new type of chest and end cities, totally not much
They definitely made the wrong decision with fireflies
And people complain about bats
You've summed up my feelings about the failure, honestly the first major failure, of Mojang. Hopefully they don't repeat this mistake. I didn't care about delays... but cutting content in such a way for such minor reasons... It just miffs me. Hytale isn't out yet, and they have had better, if inconsistent, communication with their fanbase.
Enjoy the Sub.
Yeah, and it honestly seems like an excuse to reduce the work load. If that's the case, I'd rather them just be honest about overpromising. Maybe they were genuinely worried about frogs being harmed in real life, but why not make this announcement sooner? They received feedback about fireflies being poisonous a day after Minecraft live, and they waited 7 months to say anything? And thank you for the sub!
They did this with sharks, They refused to add them for the oceanic update for the dumbest of reasons.
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 same with parrots, it used to be that cookies tamed them but then they decided that if they kept it like that kids would feed their parrots coolies and kill them so now cookies kill parrots and seeds tame them
The idea that the Mojang devs couldn't revamp a single biome in an update because of "unforseen issues" is laughable considering we've seen modders create entire, feature rich, dimensions in way less time
ive been saying this fr
And then Mojang apologists try to argue that Mojangs features are more high quality than mods. I don't know in what world they live, but in ours that is simply just plain wrong. Mojangs updates lack any depth while mods can bring just so much more to the table and are at similar quality most of the time. Imo Mojang should stop making updates and hand the game to the communtiy. Mojang is seemingly just too incompetent/lazy.
the ignorance in this comment is embarrassing. I suggest watching “Mojang is lazy” video covering why developing updates is a lot more complicated than modding
@@bogopogotime1736 mojang has been lazy fr tho
@@gianna1579 not lazy, they're up to something, it has to be something pretty bad that they had to tarnish the trust between developer and the community
Tbh i think the only thing that kept Minecraft alive until 1.13 was realsed were mods and content creator
Hexxit was amazing
Not true. The vanilla features themselves are better than you think. Have you even got yourself ahold of the more “techy” side? I'm not sure about the mod players but many of the loyal Minecraft players exist within the vanilla Survival and Redstone communities.
1.10-1.12 were hard times, the game had a massive problem with its code, the game capability to keep adding new blocks was reaching its limit, that's why since 1.13 blocks ID changed from a number to the name of the block itself and thats why since 1.13 in every version we get a bunch of new blocks.
@@vulpritprooze true
@@itzangel0735 You know, the annoying part is that the block IDs are still processed AS numerical IDs, which means that the change, although welcome for when you have a lot of mods, was totally unwarranted.
It would be one thing if Mojang didn't include one or two things from the concept art in the final release, like if the fallen trees didn't have hollow logs or something. I think everyone gets that not everything in concept art will translate into a specific feature and that artistic liberties are sometimes taken. But the concept art of the Birch Forest was a stand in for a much larger concept and set the expectation that a large part of the Wild Update would be about atmospheric and immersive elements. We get that they were purposefully vague about what that would mean (especially given what had just recently happened with Caves & Cliffs), but the implication was there that this was going to be the second half of the update and that the Mangrove Swamp was just part of that.
The bigger issue is how they announced that this wasn't coming to 1.19. They should have a) been more timely in the announcement that this wasn't coming in 1.19, b) been more explicit as to whether these features are canceled forever or pushed to a future update, and c) not put it on the community for having high expectations like it was our fault for being excited for immersive elements. The Mojang exec they had deliver the message missed the mark entirely, and leaving it "we've stopped working on these features" leaves more questions than answers.
And Agnes as Creative Leader and the person which made that statement of birch forest on minecon should dave announced it and apoligize instead of sending a mojang worker to say it and hide as a coward.
@@Jesus-qv5sw I disagree 100% about the notion that Agnes is a "coward" for not making the announcement. After all, she was the one who made the announcement for the split of the Caves & Cliffs update. I don't pretend to know her, but from what I see she is someone who cares so much about the game that it looked like making the announcement physically hurt... given that and the genuine excitement she shows towards the game and I have nothing but respect for Agnes. The only thing I do agree with is that the announcement should have been made by someone that is a more visible face of the game. Agnes, Jens, or perhaps Henrik would have been better suited as the announcement surely would not have come across as so cold and dismissive if it came from one of them.
This is why most people don't talk about the birch forests. Most people can take context clues and hear that they never say anything about putting this in the game and never have a showcase of the birch forest like they do for every other announced update.
the fact you are a bootlicker is hilarious. It wasn't just concept art
not too sure why CZcams recommended this now but given the chat filter and the draconian ban system being implemented in 1.19.1 I think Mojang has passed the point of no return where they can't recover no matter how many firework elytras they have
It's now confirmed, they're doing everything to keep the chat report system as unremovable as possible.
@@cuber759 war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength
@@thesporkening not yet
the chat report system isnt entirely mojangs fault. i'm 100% sure that microsoft is making them add it, cause i think if they were gonna add a chat report system they would've done it years ago.
I still want a feature for the fletcher block :(
I kind of moved away from minecraft when they pushed the bedrock version on to console and completely abandoned the console editions, because it was more of a downgrade and was very buggy than the console versions. I honestly think this has a little to do with Microsoft especially since bedrock is there version of the game, and since there trying to do the same thing with java by giving bedrock to free for java players, if this becomes successful and they completely drop the java version then I think it's time to move on from this game.
I don't think mojang would remove Java edition, they will get in a big trouble and majority of player base will quit if they do
If they get rid of Java they would get rid of most CZcamsrs which are just free advertising, not to mention the most hardcore fans of Minecraft.
Yeah bedrock is terrible, it just doesnt work on so many levels.
Console edition is simple, works fast and no lag.
If they killed Java there would be actual violence, would be crazy
The transition from classic Ps4 console to Bedrock a few years ago was like switching browsers from Edge to Chrome. It just feels different. Superior in some ways, inferior in others. Things aren't the same.
One missing feature from the caves and cliffs update that a lot of people forget completely was in the 1.17 snapshots were all the lush cave stuff was added and then in the next snapshot or so lush caves were added in buffet worlds, was when you looked at certain blocks in f3 where the block tags would be you would see something that said azalea log replaceable this implied that they were going to add azalea logs instead of just using oak logs but they still use oak logs to this day in a full release 1.19 there's still a need for a caves and cliffs 3.0.1. also since this video has come out 1.19.1 is going to add the highly invasive and highly ineffective chat reporting system for Java I highly doubt that Mojang wanted to add this themselves same with things like account migration I presume that Microsoft forced them to do this
Edit: forgot to add that these harsh deadlines are probably why they keep having to split up updates like this and those harsh deadlines are most likely forced by Microsoft
for the chat report feature somebody made a mod for that, it works client side and server side, it makes it so your computer won't send your unique number from the server so the message can't be traced back to you. It's like what VPN adds promise if they actually worked and they were free.
you can argue about concept art being an commitment but some tags you see with f3 definently aren't edit: in a snapshot
I have to disagree with your statement at 9:17 to an extent.
While we technically have more stuff, we still haven’t made it back to a performance close to that of 1.16.
1.17 updated to OpenGL 3.2 (or something) and it absolutely ruined the game's performance. Even on a decent computer, it’s impossible to run shaders, or high render with decent FPS, something that wasn’t a problem before.
This has been on the bug tracker for a while, and hasn’t been addressed.
This is such a good point that I forgot to mention in the video. The performance is worse, no doubt. Minecraft stutters all the time for me without Sodium, and I have a fairly mid range computer. Hopefully they can work on improving performance, but that's going to be a huge technical challenge, especially given how large and old the code base is.
I can't even play 1.17 or 1.18 on my computer with OpenGL
Can't say "it's just minecraft. My computer can handle it" anymore in the modern version
@@Whimzee Can't the code of the game be reorganised, in order to become more efficient, stable, etc?
I know the question might be stupid (I'm no programmer), but I had it in mind for a long time
@@a.t.1241 yes it can, but Mojang is lazy when it comes to organization
When frogs eat fireflies irl you can see the glow through their stomachs.
Missed opportunity honestly. And the whole poison bug thing is silly. it's mother nature , not like ppl feeding chocolate to a bird.
Their whole shtick about being against adding hostile animals because animals cruelty is stupid
@@deathblade2639 it’s not entirely unreasonable. If there’s a hostile shark mob, everybody is going to hate sharks for no real reason, which is why sharks aren’t in Minecraft. Not super bad.
@@voidboi2831 sharks ain't harmless, are you going to assume every a shark near you is not gonna attack you? I think you'd rather stay wary of any predator that comes near
@@voidboi2831 your close mindedness is showing. The vast majority of society is unbelievably clueless about most animals as is. A video game is not going to magically change that by refusing to add a feature. For example: most people indiscriminately fear all snakes and believe they are dangerous when in reality most snakes are practically harmless to humans. Dogs are far more dangerous yet we do not fear them
@@clownworld4655 yeah but if it’s in the game there’s a higher chance of some kid thinking it:s realistic. Realistically dolphins swim, eat fish, and you can’t ride them, realistically parrots can’t eat cookies. Some kids are going to connect all the dots and think something like “all sharks are bad”. Of course there’ll be some narrow minded fool (or just someone with a phobia) who’ll still hate them, but less kids overall will incorrectly make Minecraft based assumptions.
Mojang's situation kinda reminds me of Game Freak's; both are teams that are composed of very talented individuals, but what is holding them back is the constraint of time- that, and executive meddling.
Mojang needs to calm down- a small update is better than no updates, and they need to recollect themselves before shooting for the Moon again. Not every update has to be in the same magnitude as the Nether Update.
It doesn’t feel like the swamp bio is any different, maybe an ogre would’ve been cool
I personally would love to see more hostile mobs.
I agree with this, communication is big key like needing to announce things they are 100% going into add update instead of maybe. If they need to, make a small update so they can re focus and take it easy. Its hard to work and be happy with your game when stress and expectations are high.
Wanna clarify something, fireflies werent removed because of realism. Nonono they were removed cos Mojang didnt think it'd be cool if someone fed fireflies to an *actual* frog, and that frog died. Its kinda what they did with parrots in 1.12 when they changed it so, instead of cookies being used to breed parrots, it was made to be seeds(and if you feed parrots cookies containing choclate they die irl).
That said removing fireflies simply because of that is what frustrates me
and? who cares? just remove the feature of being able to feed frogs. if people still do it regardless then thats on them 🤷♀
@@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 did you even read my entire comment?
As the song goes,
*for 1.16 and all of the other underpromised updates*
"Never make a promise that you know you can't keep"
For me, fireflies not being added isn't a big deal since I'm not a builder and birch forests were a concept art, but the Warden, how did it take three updates to get added in the game? But still, i understand Mojang, game development is hard and, like you said, right now they're in that constant developer cycle where they try to catch up.
It's because they added The Ancient Cities to them and Kingbdogz wanted to do it the right way and not rush the Deep Dark.
@@elijahsmall5873 modders were able to recreate the whole update in 3 days.
@@thesimpleanswer2264 Ok and? Mojang aren't modders. Kingbdogz was a literal Minecraft modder that now works at Mojang and he even said it wasn't the same.
@@elijahsmall5873 Yeah it isn't the same, they have developer tools and one of the richest companies to give them a constant supply of cash whenever they really want. Modding and Developing is very different, but also incredibly similar.
@@thesimpleanswer2264 Well Mojangs way of developing it isn't so similar to the point where they could be done with an update in 3 days.
I know this might sound odd but I think they should go though the code for both versions and do a kind of parity update wile streamlining the code. For extra features just put in some of the creatures that lost the vote for the mob vote so we get some true extra content.
This is an interesting idea. On one hand, I worry that it might be a really difficult and technical update for Mojang, even though it doesn't seem like a whole lot of work to us. But if they could pull it off, I bet they'd be able to move faster on future updates if they didn't have to worry about all the little differences between Bedrock and Java.
@@Whimzee The main problem is that the Bedrock developers are the new team in California and the original Java team in Stockholm have a passion for THEIR work. Whatever is going on in California comes across as a serious lack of work ethic. They are working with a much more popular programming language and just need to rework the code that's already available from the Java team yet they are incredibly slow and post "Will Not Fix" to 90% of bug reports compared to Java which gets tons of bug fixes with every patch (almost the complete reverse). Lord knows what the management team are doing in California.
It's probably Microsoft's responsible for this kind of problem of forcing Mojang to add a ban system in 1.19
Nah, it's all Mojang. One of the mojang developers even stated in a tweet that the ban system was all mojang's idea
I am fustrated with Mojang for discontinuing Minecraft Console Edition, especially since they don't even talk about it. They are still missing major features from there. This new thing didn't help, I still like Mojang though, I am just kinda fustrated rn
How I feel about the 3ds version, doesn't even have code for iron golems to spawn.
whats wrong with them discontinuing old consoles; do you realise that rewriting the code for an update for a version that barely anyone plays is a waste of time?
@@unknownb0i200 First of All 5% of the Minecraft Player base sounds like it isn't a lot, but actually a lot of people still place Minecraft LCE, second of all, why replace LCE with a worse version, especially if Mojang think that no one even plays on consoles? After 6 years Bedrock and Java are missing essential features that make Console Edition so iconic and the best edition of Minecraft by far, even after not beeing updated for 6 years.
@@spacepowerofficial1187 what worse version and missing essential features are you talking about
@@unknownb0i200 I am talking about Bedrock Edition, Mojang promissed to only discontinued Xbox One Edition after they had added everyting we know and love from that Version to Bedrock. They didn't do that. Tutorial worlds are missing, Official Minigames are missing, custom superflats, amplified worlds, Elytra camera rotation (makes turning around a corner with the Elytra Look more realistisch, because it tilts the screen) and the gamma setting. Those are the main features. Also The User interface on Minecraft Console Edition looks better and works better for the controller, mean while Bedrock's menus were made for touch screen and Bedrock is super laggy and needs 5 miniutes to load. By the way Java Edition is missing most of those features too except amplified and custom superflats
The not delivering on player expectations thing started with aquatic when they split it up several times after removing a feature or two, little did we know this would become a pattern, also I wouldn’t turn to Reddit because the bedrock subreddit mods block out most takes that disagree with Microsoft or mojang, it isn’t a community sub anymore
Mojang is overpromising and can't meet all those promises. That being said, we're still getting more content than ever before.
They should go back to the policy of “we’re only gonna show this if we’re absolutely certain we can make it happen.”
@@drakedragapult671 I didn't realize that was actually their policy at one point. Yeah that's exactly what they need to bring back.
I agree, they're shooting for the stars and landing on the moon, still a great place to end up!
This update? Nah
@UnrulyVids True. There were quite a few but its wroth noting that 1.7 came about after the horse update which just added horses and blocks. So maybe I exaggerated for some of that stretch but 1.7 only happened because 1.6 was a small update.
Tbh I got a feeling that they are prepearing next big update in the background, so that is why we got smaller update now
I hope so! It feels weird that they would include that central structure in the ancient city and no do anything with it from what we can see. Maybe Mojang is setting up for something cool in 1.20? Looking back, I feel like Mojang does better when they get a head start on the next update.
Well, Mojang always surprise us, so I hope its going to be a good surprise this time
The reason of why frogs eat molten lava and drop froglights its because they just vomit a partially digested magma block.
Yeah I get that. But man, I just wish there was an easier way of getting froglights. Transporting frogs to the nether sounds like a huge pain. Maybe it won't be as bad as I'm making it out to be, but personally my least favorite part of the game is transporting mobs.
@@Whimzee Same, transporting mobs is very tiring, although i don't think i'm going to use the froglight, it doesn't mix very well with my building style.
As if that's any better lmao. It's like a pick your poison type of joke.
I agree with the rhetoric of the question, "What happened to Minecraft after 1.16?" I first got Java Edition prior to 1.16, and I remember the anticipation of the Nether update, and I remember excitedly going into my Nether and exploring the new biomes and such. I agree with your analysis that 1.16 was a well-prepared product and was equally well-received. And for having been a first time Java player coming off of a very leisurely experience on Pocket Edition, I honestly felt like I had time to enjoy that very first world I made before putting it through a major update (1.16). Now, it just feels like everything is rushed and players don't have time to enjoy their worlds between updates. It may sound silly, but I even get concerned about how many new chunks I want to load in an existing world; if mammoth updates keep dropping that overhaul world generation and biome generation, casual players like myself (that don't devote the grinding hours that Minecraft content creators do to the game) find themselves in a conundrum of whether they want to keep investing in their existing world or start a new one to experience the whole of the game without having to travel thousands of blocks away. I know everyone plays differently, but this is my take on it. I'd be curious if other's share this sentiment or would have a different perspective.
I completely agree! I think that’s part of why I’ve not been playing minecraft as fervently as I had in the past. I would love to devote my time to one world but I fear coming updates in a way.
Yes, that is true. Yet they also kind of...not really achieved what they told us they're going to so with the wild update. It isn't wild enough, ancient cities and the deep dark, and the mangrove swamps are as rare as ####, there are only 4 mobs added all of which are rare. In my opinion, I am not going to feel any change once they release the update. Maybe they will surprise us with something at the end?
what about the theorized new dimension
@@peregrine4214 well. You said it, it is theorised.
Also I sid say maybe they will surprise us
@@moudoukam9597 That would be amazing if they give us a new dimension, but given how much they've had to delay and outright cancel lately, I don't think they'll surprise us with anything crazy like that. I hope I'm wrong though.
But yeah that's a great point, you could start up a new world and never encounter any of what they added during the wild update, unless you really go out of your way looking for it.
Maybe they are trying to rush 1.19 to work more on the dimension update, it takes time to work on new dimensions, but it would take years, and they would need to fulfill the 2 updates a year quota
Deep dark really not that rare at all if that what u meant by rare
I just hope minecraft doesn't get killed by corporate greed like roblox has.
Commenting because I see you read recent comments and reply.
As much as I'd love to see them bring back Archeology, I know that this is a feature which is not really awaited by the majority of the community. That being said it would be better to get a small update which everyone likes.
I have been thinking about this whole Mojang overpromise underdeliver issue for a while. This was never seen before and it was a unique problem only for this update. I know and I can understand that some updates are more challenging and difficult the others, this one being the hardest for them. I'm happy that you mentioned that they've uploaded videos like announcing the split of caves & cliffs (partly because now I don't have to explain it). We've been told it's hard for them and while it was disappointing news the community was supportive and understood their situation. The cave generation codes have been unchanged for years, ofc it was hard to rewrite it.
That being said, I personally have the patience to wait for updates. But it's their recent transparency, dishonesty and lack of communication what saddens and enrages me. Like we know it's embarassing for them, and even more so if they acknowledge how messed up this got, but it'll get only worse the more they stay silent about it as the community will feel like it's getting ghosted by the devs.
Once again, Mojang did not run into delivery problems like this before and we could say they just didn't know how to handle this. Hopefully they'll learn from this.
Yessir, I read every single comment! I think that's a great point, the more that I think about it, the more I realize Mojang isn't being upfront with us, like you said. Even thinking about the timeline of events. They release Minecraft Live in October, one day later there's posts on reddit about Fireflies being poisonous to frogs, and then they announce that they're removing fireflies a full 7 months later? That doesn't really add up for me. It feels like they overpromised and needed to do something to get the update out the door in a reasonable amount of time.
I know people joke about "they're just 2 pixels" but when you think about it, they need to add spawning mechanics, interactions with the frogs, flight patterns, performance implications since entities cause lag in Minecraft, making sure it works across all versions of the game, and probably more things I'm not even aware of. Still, Minecraft is a multibillion dollar IP, you'd think something like this wouldn't be a problem for Mojang and Microsoft.
Unfortunately considering the disaster that is chat reporting, things only appear to be getting worse. The rift between the community and developers only seems to be widening from here and sadly I think there will be a permanent animosity now, even if they listen and fix things up. And if they don't, well, then who even knows what the end result will be...
Somewhere in an alternative timeline, notch is still developing the game and there are over 20 bosses and tonnes of interesting content and rpg elements.
Now there's chat report which can get you banned from using multiplayer. Like wtf that can be abused so much. It should be on the owner and staffs of the server to decide on the rules.
The only way that this could be resolved is to get rid of it completely or change it.
This is my suggestions:
▪︎Only ban people from the server that they were reported on.
▪︎Make the ban reversible by the server staffs and owner.
▪︎Add a strike system.
▪︎Inform the owner and staff members.
▪︎Make it possible for the owner to change the rules.
▪︎Let the owner choose to have chat report on their server or not.
This will improve chat report and give the server owners a choice.
That is the worst update ever
"Don't let ambitions overcome you, overcome your excitement about it and plan on what or what not to plan."
Another thing with 1.18 is the update was amazing.
The new gen is fantastic and it makes sense it took too long.
1.19 had lot of miscommunications and the birch forest thing was a bit poorly handled. Blaming the community was not the best move, hence the backlash.
Instead of putting effort into features they teased that got people excited, they pulled them and instead implemented censorship that no one wanted.
They should also take an update year just to work on under the hood stuff, more efficient code, multithreading, and other stuff like that.
I just want to say this right now before anything happens in 1.20. Which is Mojang promised that they will be bringing in 2 updates per year. 1 big and 1 small. 1.19 is technically a big update, which means do not expect anything big for 1.20 since that is an expected release sometime this December which will mainly be all about bug fixes and probably one small feature getting added. They're next major update should be 1.21 so pleaaase guys do not get angry if 1.20 is small.
This is a great point. I talked in the video a lot about Mojang tempering our expectations, but I think we also share some of that responsibility. I'll be the first to admit, I was critical of the Buzzy Bee's update back when it was released, but given everything that's happened lately, I would be much more understanding and content with a similar sized update now. But I'm sure not everyone feels that way. I sympathize with Mojang, it's always tough being in a situation where you can't make everyone happy.
believe me or not many ppl are corrupted in mojang
technically 1.19 is small
going off the pattern they've been following
1.14: big
1.15: small
1.16: big
1.17: small
1.18: big
1.19: small
1.20 is most likely gonna be a big update
First with the removal of fireflies, tall birch trees, then the removal of multiplayer
this has aged so well
They also immediately showed concept art of the swamp which DID get updated RIGHT after the birch forest. It's not like they did anything wrong, but it's very reasonable to think it was going to be in the update.
If they said at minecon "in the next few years we want to have most of the overworld biomes overhauled, whilst in this update we are focusing on the swamp biome here is some concept art of what we are looking to do with other biomes in the near future"
Good argument, however mojang is a multi-billion dollar company, and your telling me they can barely push out an update in a year?
Updates should be 99% done before we hear anything about them in official events like minecraft live.
I'm all for "early involvement" but keep that for the most dedicated fans and the more obscure showcases, like snapshots or whatnot. Nothing should be "officially" announced before it's finalized as coming to the game.
If they're 99% done then there's no point in doing MC Live. At that point, they can just announce the update on a video and set a release date.
@@elijahsmall5873 99% is an exaggeration. A more legitimate timing would be when they can confirm for certain what is and isn't coming to the game. Perhaps right before they start snapshots.
This aged like fine wine
They really need to give us a heads up with stuff like this if they don't start changing now it will not be good for them (also I never expected the Birch forest but I understand people's disappointment)
Same
Even the nether update had so.e unfulfilled promises. They said that there would be more biomes then the ones shown at Minecraft Live then later when asked about it they called the fans greedy for asking for more. That was the point when I realized something was wrong.
Whimzee I said it once and Ille say it again , Your outro song is really cool. If you could make a full version it would be amazing
I feel Mojang should really take their time on 1.20 put missing items from previous updates and add a decent amount of new items that make the game more exciting again
Until yesterday I would 100% agree with you, but now, seeing as Mojnag just added ban feature that is just objectivly bad, I don't think their goal is to make the community happy, Microsoft took 100% lead of them and they are trying at all cost to delete the Java edition. Think about it. Who is going to be more upset about Mojang not keeping up with promises, average Bedrock player or Java player? Of course Java player since the other one doesn't probably know what Minecon is. Who is going to be more angry about the ban feature thing? Of course Java player since on Bedrock there is much more control rn and this change wouldn't be as dramatic as it is on Java edition. The cherry on top is that Mojang gave everyone for free the Bedrock edition which is at least veeery sus, since no corporation would do that for no reason or just because they feel bad about what happened before, it's really a lot of money, more than 1/4 of their ever earned income. The surely want to kill the Java edition and force everyone to play only on Bedrock...
9:46 I totally agree. Btw, nice video!
Thanks for watching, I'm happy you enjoyed it.
I honestly think that Mojang discovered the potential of the Warden was far greater than they first realized. Moving things into another update. We are still getting the content just at a later date and more in-depth and interesting. If they were an indie developer this would be okay, but because they're a big company they're not allowed to change their mind. I think the fireflies being removed is a little annoying considering they've added things without functionality, later adding a purpose in a future update. I think they should reassess their announcement strategies and allow fans to lower their expectations, leaving room for more realistic updates.
i think mojang needs to put out less updates.
the modding community isn't able to settle on a version right now that isn't abt 1.12 or 1.16 because they keep pushing out these updates, and honestly, it's a bad sign for the modding community to only stick to one or two updates or have to add in newer content in their mods because they can't update to a newer version since mojang keeps pushing out updates and changing up the code and whatnot.
smaller updates would also be nice, but at this point i think it'd be better for them to do like. one big update every two years or something.
but it's may I feel like the could've worked on the wild update a little longer.
I don’t mind the small update then big update like buzzy bees and nether update but the updates where they show all this cool stuff and don’t deliver is what’s sad. I think they could have a great rythym of small update then big update. For example, working on a biome that lost then working on the end
3:08 yes I agree, is it me only that feels mojang started going down after the pandemic..and let's stop forcing mojang to do stuff, if they think they want to cancel stuff they can.. They made our childhood, yes they did not deliver what they told, but they made the most nostalgic game... And after the cave and cliff update and during the making of that update they were under a lot of pressure...come on let's give them some time they will deliver (sorry if my english is bad)
He never said that
@@drift_NW I agree with the Reddit post
Well, the final nail in the coffin will be the mcpe developer versions that they were hiding
Many people got copyrighted and their videos are takeb down
Plus one bad updates does not mean they are corrupt
The 35 dislikes are from well I don't even know.
I have been saying this for YEARS ever since the first Biome vote. Update all the biomes first, if needbe update 1 or 2 at a time. Focus on end large updates like the End overhaul or a New dimension once you get the smaller ones done. I hadnt had a survival world in years, because I want to have a fresh start when eve every biome has been updated
I think the reason they keep a "vote" is not because they can't update anything, but they want something that community decides.
Although in this case, they did implay they will update everything eventually in biomes(not so much mobs)
Mojang's problem is that Microsoft is pushing them to keep building hype, no matter how many times they trip and stumble and need a moment to breathe.
Mojang needs to just chloroform the Microsoft rep that's keeping an eye on them, and take a moment to clean up the mess
I disagree (with the shocking part). It was a major red flag when they had to split the update in half because they promised so much on so many features and rushed realese. They also hyped up their ‘’concept update’’
and here we go, after the chat reporting update none of this is even relevant as the devs have completely lost the community
I actually made a community suggestion for a lighting update a while back. It just needs voted on so Mojang can take it easy. It makes it so glowing and pulsing can happen. It makes it so you have colored lights ect.
Hah, funny, back when this video was made, people thought Mojang THEN was bad. I guess we didn't know just how bad things could get lol. They went from being lazy with updates to ruining villager trades, to deleting old accounts, to even more scummy business practices, to getting EVEN MORE lazy with updates. Putting a tight leash on how everyone plays Minecraft while lecturing about "player freedom" and "play the game your way" is somehow both ironically hilarious and deeply depressing.
You know, when I was little (back in 2012, yes it's been THAT long I feel old lmao) I wanted to work for Mojang on a game that I loved. I've poured thousands upon thousands of hours into this game, so seeing this studio I used to love fall so far from grace really hurts. I guess it's the equivalent of "man, you used to be cool. What happened?" For videogames.
It's 4:30 AM, I'm sad, I have stuff to do tomorrow, and I've just wasted time writing this. Take care everyone, thanks for reading.
Thanks for writing, I agree, 1.20 and the report system have been absolute disgraces
If you thought it was bad then, you better not look at that game studio today
I just don't care at Mojang anymore, I rely on mods and data packs to make Minecraft better. Because A full developer team can't compete against one random modder online apparently.
Minecraft Modders : *If you can't handle it, we'll do it!*
The ambiance update would be dope honestly!
1.20 should be the combat update. It's been in development for at least 3 years and since caves an cliffs was announced, they haven't updated the combat snapshots.
It's so simple. All they have to do is only show what they 100% know they can finish. Much better to under promise and over deliver than to continually over promise and under deliver like they have since the nether update
I actually really liked this video. Very interesting. It's nice to hear it from the perspective of a person who's worked in a similar industry as Mojang. I see a lot of people attacking Mojang for this and it honestly makes me sad.🙁 I get that they should've not shown things that they may not add, but they don't deserve the hate. I definitely agree that doing neat and small updates would be a good idea and it will give them a break as well especially since they've been working hard through this Pandemic. I think doing something like a Minecraft Live Mini could be a stream where they announce smaller bite sized updates. I think that would be cool. Also, the Magma cube features I guess was so we can got frog lights which I believe the community wanted something like it and Mojang was trying to find a use for frogs at the time so they combined the two features into one. 🙂
I really loved this video..
You were exactly speaking to the point and that what I liked.
Hope you bring more content like this..
Thank you! This was a fun video to make, there's a good chance I'll make more like it in the future.
An ambience update would be nice. They could definitely add fireflies and new particles as you mentioned but perhaps like one other mob such as birds to make the daytime in Minecraft seem more ambient. If they did do this, maybe they could work on a big update in the background. Perhaps a 1.21 Ender Update? I just think that Mojang needs to perhaps do a cycle of small updates that allow them to work on big updates. But I do agree with you, they need to be more informative and transparent, especially about new, controversial changes such as the upcoming chat banning feature.
This dude deserves 200k
*100 million
@@RavanoxYT 100 billion
And 1.19.1 report players has sealed 1.19 fate
1.17 is the beginning of the second downfall of Minecraft
Tbh it's sad Bec I feel like Minecraft is becoming more and more like every other gaming company, like plz don't become EA of block games lol , plus they disrespected modders, I know many modders that have made quality add-ons and features for the game to the point that you question why it's not in the original , it's just sad I want the Mojang we had before Microsoft bought them off
I still feel like Mojang has a fair business model, so I'm not too worried about the game descending into a Microtransaction nightmare. But I agree with you about disrespecting the modders. I cannot believe that comment about modders got past the PR department.
@@Whimzee thank you for responding and giving your opinion, and hopefully Mojang steps up and delivers to the community, and also possibly apologizes to modders but I doubt they'll do that part lol
Even if things aren’t given that was once promised, it doesn’t mean that the majority of us will up and dip out of the community, possibly a select few, but it’s the best selling game for a reason and the community will thrive on for decades, even if they take a turn for the worse. Regardless this video was well put together and really did call out the issue at hand 🫡
Thanks! And I completely agree, I think it will take A LOT to kill off such a strong community.
They should have pushed concept art with fanart section later. It would have been less painful for everyone. I'm just saying.
I think a removed features update would be best, features like fireflies, wax blocks, crystallized honey, or the killer rabbit would be cool. Maybe some features that were considered but never added, like rubies, dyed planks, or brick pyramids would also be nice additions. Or work on adding stuff exclusive to java to bedrock and stuff exclusive to bedrock to java. Like sweeping edge, illusioners, or spectral arrows to bedrock or baby squids, big salmon, or potions of decay on java. An update like that could fix this problem
I just want them fix the launcher. Don't know if it only happen to me. But after installing the Microsoft Store Version of Minecraft launcher, some C++ runtime update show up every freaking time I turn on my PC. That's very annoying.
Oh no, do you have the new launcher? I never updated my launcher, but it sounds like a dodged a bullet!
Yeah, I definitely saw the Birch concept art as a commitment. And I think for future MC Lives they should be a bit more transparent about the certainty of X being added.
But gives us fireflies:)
Can we talk about how they promised ray tracing on the Xbox series X two years ago…
Still waiting for fletching tables to be usable.
1.20 should just be Bundles and focusing on improving game performance, which really took a hit with the increase in height and depth of the world in 1.18. If there's time, they could put the fireflies in since that would probably make a lot of people happy.
you were 2 months early
This update is such a major update that they can only include so much in a reasonable time frame. The updates that people are so pissed aren’t coming out in this update can always come out in the next update.
That new video makes Lady Agnes look as if she mislead us. Lady Agnes said the birch forest was getting a make over at MineConLive.
0:00-0:05 we need 1 hour version of it
"Concept art isnt a commitment" then maybe don't show it in the reveal of all the features in the next update instead of blaming players for expecting to much
They should just add new features through snapshots, and then if they don’t fully make it into the game, at least fans have those development versions.
I like the idea of a smaller update but I can’t see that because of the next update being 1.20 so people will be expecting something big.
There's an easy solution to this problem: rise the flag of a Jolly Roger! (Just pirate the game, cuz if this system will not be removed - those land rats doesn't deserve your doubloons!)
Ok I see the idea of cutting Mojang slack on the size of updates but also at the same time modders been adding shit multiple times the size of this update in shorter time( and honestly have better ideas) so at the same time I don't want to cut them slack because honestly they HAVE THE RESOURCES to do the bigger and better updates but they don't? Like the excuse of having time and tweaking things doesn't work for me when ppl do stuff in shorter times with less
AND WHERE ARE ALLL THE OLD MOB VOTE CHARECTERS JUST ADD THEM NO INE WOULD COMPLAIN THEY ALREADY FIT INTO THE GAME IF YOU LET US VOTE ON IT
How much money are they pulling in, can’t really give them excuses