An Open Letter to Nintendo
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- čas přidán 20. 11. 2020
- Dear Nintendo of America,
My name is Walt, and I'm proud to say I'm a part of something so much bigger than myself.
On the 19th Birthday of Super Smash Bros. Melee, this is a letter for you. I hope you read it.
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♫ Music ♫
Miles Avida - What I Can't Forget
At The End Of Times, Nothing - Radiate
At The End Of Times, Nothing - In the Haze
Josef Falkensköld - Take It All
Under Earth - Aeon Fever
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#FreeMelee #SaveSmash #Nintendo - Hry
This is beautiful. Thanks, Walt.
Nothing is more melee than coming back from something like this.
Melee is the longest living fighting game of its size. Even starcraft has constant meta changes through its stage list.
Melee doesn't need that. Melee is unkillable. We are a united community, and you can't take away our fight
This video really opened my eyes towards melee players. I wish you guys the best.
It's too bad you had to use profanity so now Nintendo won't even publicly acknowledge it.
I'm expecting the anime reviews
Thank you, Walt.
Hello
Hi Hbox 👋
Hello Clutchbox
Much love hbox
much love to you hbox
NINTENDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PLEASE
Hey man
Ayyye
Lord Cyber
YO YOURE HERE TOO
Y helo thar my fellow yeti
#FreeMelee
Igp love your content also #freemelee
#FreeMeele
"You made our game, but you did not make our community"
Damn, that line is so strong
but what is the community without the game. sound powerful yes but i believe its hollow.
like a bunch disfuncional neighborhood that gathers to watch football and then never comes together. is that really a community or just lost puppies tied together by a very loose string.
bot to mention fighting games communities are very interesting as they are elitist and toxic.
truly a good show for sure.
@@rpghero46 first of all, you can easily say that the game would be nothing without its community. Second of all, that analogy was terrible imo.
@@beebubbles9071 yaawn! Nintendo dosent care about about melee. clearly they needed. i will work on my analogies in the future. but you get it do you point been. if the only link this community has its a fighting game, it's a weak reason to remain together.
@@rpghero46 fair enough
@@rpghero46 I'd argue the passion is what both keeps the community together, and is also what *has* kept it together for years.
Man this puts a tear to my eye. Thank u Walt for making this. This community is awesome
Love your channel ❤️❤️
For real though 😭
congrats on 100k!
sup luv dix
You’re a huge part of it! Better get practicing on that Yoshi matchup :)
big chungus epic wholesome 100 style
you’re a beast gimR
Jesus loves you even though you killed PM lol. Make God your rock again, GimR
We messed up!
This video makes me feel emotional on so many different levels. #FreeMelee
#FreeMelee made an impact on mine and many other lives i hope nintendo make the descision to let the big house go through
“The Melee Community so toxic”
The actual community:
The most vocal are the most toxic but that’s usually how it goes
It had (and has) its problems. We can’t just ignore the parts we don’t want. At least it’s trying to address it.
Actually, Nintendo's action in 2013 already united the other FGC guy with the Melee community. Heck, even non-melee players stood up to the Melee community when Nintendo did something retarded.
Lmao 99% of them are toxic af
@@Rizky-Gumilar 99% of everyone I have met at tournaments are sweet hearts idk what you’re talking about
im not sure about the overlap, but in the Speedcubing community, something similar happened a while ago when the Rubik's brand started going after speedcube manufacturers and competitions. I hope that the Melee community can persevere in the same way that the speedcubing community did.
honestly that is really similar, people needing to "adjust" the original product in order to bring out its best in competitive form, and the original creators trying to destroy it.
That's insane, never heard of this
I had no clue about this, It’s so weird how some company’s just want to preserve the original products idea and aren’t open to the product changing at all. I think this is really similar
I remember when this happened. btw whats your pb?
@@cheeto_ssbm7826 7.46! and my PB average is 9.98!
"I know it's kind of an accident, but so are half of us, and we are awesome" - Mang0
"I dream of a world where everyone can find their version of the melee community" - Bobby Scar
Yeah so I'm crying
That scar line is too powerful 🖤
This really encompasses the passion and love this community has.
Nobody has said this yet so I’m just gonna do it. IS THAT THE UNDERTALE OST GUY?!
"I know it's kind of an accident.. But so are half of us, and we're awesome."
Mang0!!! 😭😭😭❤❤❤
The Hax clip just made me realize how passionate he is about the game, imagine your doctor telling you you need to quit a game because the way you use you controller LITERALLY made your hand explode on the inside and you somehow manage to invent a completely new controller that you can use to optimize your gameplay without harming your hands just so you can keep playing this game, or even this one specific character, even though your doctor told you you were past the point of no return...
absolute legend
I only started playing Melee at the start of quarantine and after seeing people fight for Melee, I truly do hope to be part of it sometime in the future.
if you fight for melee, you're already a part of the community ;)
Same, aint letting it die
Welcome to the family
So long as this community exists, Melee will never die, no matter what obstacles are in the way. I was not heavily into eSports before being exposed to competitive Melee. This game is so exhilarating and has a lush and rich history that continues to be written every single day.
Melee is sick.
Long live this wonderful game.
Fully agree ❤️
No offense but Melee is so overrated, it is so unbelievable that Melee has a lot of fans over almost 20 years since it's release, but unlike Brawl and Smash 4, Melee thrived and survived over time.
@Derek Corsner Read carefully you moron.
@@joseluistrejo1859 Idk what to say except your comment gives mixed signals of being negative and positive at the same time
@@joseluistrejo1859 like it says in this video: Its not just about melee as the game. Its about all the people, storys and shit melee brought with it. The game has such a great history, that it doesnt matter if theres a better game out there (which there isnt in case of ssb titles) Melee is always gonna stay relevant. Theres just people that wont let the game die. And i for my part love that about this game.
Melee deserves better, thank you for doing what your doing
I have never played Melee, but as someone who joined the competitive Smash scene with Ultimate's release, I appreciate what it's done for me as a person, and especially how that same love for the game affected people 19 years ago, and caused their lives to blossom. I wouldn't want this to be taken away from anyone. I live for the memories and stories that this game creates. It's all really beautiful.
#FreeMelee
Now that, is what I call a respectable Ultimate player 👍
Yeah I feel the same way, I've never played Melee, but I love Smash and am a part of Ultimate's competitive scene. I don't understand Melee at all, but I do understand that it is something that many people love and has given many great experiences to people. Competitive Smash probably wouldn't be a thing without Melee and so I wouldn't have the love for competitive Ultimate without Melee so I do respect Melee and support it in this hard time.
#FreeMelee
@@CrackshotSSB I figure now is a good time to ask and please don't take this the wrong way I'm really not trying to be rude, but why do Melee players dislike Ultimate and Ultimate players or really anyone who prefers another Smash game over their own? You said "a respectable Ultimate player", so is it because Ultimate players trash on Melee, because I've never really heard any other Ultimate player do that. I'm assuming you play Melee right?
@@vslazer6728 My apologies for any misunderstandings, I want to clarify that I do indeed love Ultimate for what it is, and in regards to Melee players disliking Ultimate, I would have to say I’ve only heard the opposite. Many Melee players saw 4 as slow, unbalanced, unfun gameplay, so when ultimate came out and had a better feel to it, many melee players came out to support Ultimate as the future of the series. I know this belief doesn’t necessarily apply to all Melee fans, but I personally believe that Ultimate is way more praised by the melee community compared to any of the previous games.
And about Ultimate players trashing Melee, I have personally heard a lot of opinions of Melee from players that didn’t grow up with the game and/or started with Ultimate. To be honest, I don’t blame them for disliking the game or seeing it as unbalanced garbage, because it’s not Ultimate, and it’s never going to be Ultimate. Melee is a game that is appreciated by a certain audience, same with Ultimate. I hope that players in the future will come to see and respect Melee as Ultimate’s predecessor, rather than trying to compare it to Ultimate and it’s obviously superior level of content, quality, etc. Both games are beautiful, and I wish nothing more than to see both of these games succeed in the end. My apologies if I missed anything:)
I haven't been active in the community for a long time, but the clip of someone moving a CRT just brings so many memories flooding back. This isn't the first time nintendo has tried to stop us, and the community will rise to the challenge.
They might just DMCA this too. It's got the word Nintendo in it.
don't give them more ideas :/
@Michael M or after you buy it apparently
Man this video is so touching. I don't know where I'd be without the Melee community and I can't even put into words how much it means to me. Hearing others say the same just reminds me how great what we have is. Long live Melee!
*people before Slippi’s cease and desist:* “Half the Smash community are toxic losers, the other half are pedophiliac groomers, and both halves never shower”
*people after:* “Oh my God, Melee has one of the most admirable communities ever seen, still going strong and pouring their love into their game even years after its release, I can’t believe heartless Nintendo would thwart their dedication to gaming!”
I won't lie.. I also felt it was that hypocritical from the people
Do they just want drama or something like that?
The passion of the Melee community is genuinely beautiful. It’s a new kind of beautiful, something part of a new generation of people. It’s such a broken, jumbled mess of code and dedicated people took this mess and made it gorgeous. Here’s to 19 more years of the greatest accident ever made #freemelee
Someone please get Captions in Japanese for this.
Sucks that fan made captions are dead now...
Didn't think melee would make me cry today. It got me unbelievably hyped, but I didn't think it would make cry, at least today. Thank you, Walt.
Damn Walt, this actually made me tear up, thank you. No matter what happens regarding melee, I must thank everyone in this community the amazing times I spent with you all.
I have never really posted on social media before this but now this situation has me outspoken and mad as hell but more then anything i just want to play the game i love and go 0-2 as much as i want
#freemelee is the only movement I’ve ever really cared about.
idk man ice's movement was pretty sick
@@ProbablyBarney schmoovement
True
@@owfan4134 the movement gotta schmove
Ngl, I cracked a smile when I saw Asumsauce
haha same here
You've got me feeling nostalgia for something I've never lived through, this is very well made
It's made me feel nostalgic for something that I'd only catch glimpses of on the outside when they happened.
Commenting for the algorithm
Amen
Absolutely beautiful. I played smash as a kid all the way back with the 64 in 2000. I entered my first tournament in 2012 and made so many friends along the way. I have countless memorizes with the scene either at tournaments or hanging with the people I met there. This game will always be a special in my eyes and so many others.
From the Rivals of Aether community, you guys were our inspiration, and our role model. To our Big brother Melee, we stand behind you. All the way.
Even though I don't play Melee I love watching clips of big Melee tournaments so much. Even though I've never met any of these people in person and it's likely they've never seen or acknowledged me I feel like I'm a part of the community.
Thank you for the great video Walt.
#FreeMelee
It's been years since I spent a lot of time watching Melee outside of general fighting game tournaments. My last vivid memory of it was staying up until 5 a.m. or whatever it was, secretly watching Apex 2015 in bed, watching PPMD raise the trophy and scream, "I DID IT!" I've tuned in to Evo finals since then, as 2015 was also around the time I started watching Evo and other general fighting game tournaments regularly. Even as mostly just a spectator who had only played Smash with high school friends long ago, I think Melee has had a significant impact on my life. It's given me a lot of joy, but it's also given me a lot of pain. I knew, and still know now, that nobody I knew outside the internet in my adult life would really understand my interest in this game, and I was never able to go to tournaments. Tournaments are still only a fleeting dream for me, which I may never achieve, and maybe that's for the best. The recent influx of fighting games with rollback netcode on PC has been the closest thing to that kind of experience I've had, and I'm grateful for that.
So I guess my relationship with Melee is a weird one. It gives me a lot of mixed feelings, even today. I can quit caring about it for so long, and then come back and yell at Nintendo and its ghoulish defenders. I can try so many times to move on from it, but still harbour a pretty much permanent distrust of the old FGC (pre-2009) for the amount of patronizing bullshit they pulled, first using a clearly bullshit Brawl ruleset to try to completely discredit the Smash community in 2008, then 5 years later, pitting it against Skullgirls for a spot at Evo (and I'm sure someone like dekillsage would have much more to say about that than I ever could).
I literally just got into this channel today. I don’t know if it’s cause the Pound 3.9 video was in my recommendeds for so long or because I missed going to Ultimate locals, but man. I hope this Big House stuff can get worked out. Keep up the content Walt, and keep being sick, Melee community
I have nothing to do with the Melee scene but I find this delightful. One comment for the algorithm juice!
“Either COVID dies or Melee dies.”
“We did it boys, COVID is no more.”
:(
true though
Smash Bros melee to me is one of the best games on the whole damn planet. While I do not like the competitive aspect of it because of the amount of glitches and exploits, the super small tier list that hasn't changed as much over the years, this specific game is still very much loved. I've argued with people before on this website about how competitive is so hard to break into because of so many problems, but this game is still very very important to me. I may have started with the original Nintendo 64 release, and I loved it there, but I had a truly genuine love when melee came into our home.
And even with all of its problems, I still want to play with friends over it. I want to play with people I don't know over it. And before you laugh, yes, I would pick somebody like bowser. Why? Because he was my boy back then. Still is. no matter what people tell me.
the very fact that Nintendo wants to shut down something so huge to people, over a game that they don't even sell anymore. For what? It's taking sales off the new game? It's already the top selling game on that console. And if it isn't, it's fucking close.
Nintendo, you used to mean so much to me. Oh I'll still play your games. Oh I'll still buy the console. But you as a business? I hate you. You used to be great.
I hope one day you wake up. Whoever is running you now, needs to calm down or step down.
I don’t even play melee and i’ve teared up at like 4 of your videos man what the hell.
Man coming back to this is emotional today
Bro, well said. Really well said. I really hope this video reaches Nintendo and or Sakurai.
Sakurai doesn’t have anything to do with the melee situation btw it’s only Nintendo of America that decided to do this
@@Selachi0 yeah ikr
Absolutely perfect, an incredible way to address what is a complicated situation.
Love the vids every upload! Keep up the good shit!
I don’t even play melee but Jesus, this is so wholesome. I hope Nintendo doesn’t ignore this
Don't worry they will
This is so much more than a game now. It's changed so many people's lives, made so many great moments, and has brought together an incredibly large amount of outstanding people over the years. I really hope they do see this, and reconsider. #FreeMelee
Bruh, I only play Ultimate, but this vid hit me right un the feelings.
Nintendo basically said that they don't care about our feelings
Let's just hope they change their mind and listen to the voices
We need to get Nintendo's dickishness in mainstream magazines, somehow. Something that's impactful enough that they have to consider the sales problems associated with being horrible to their own fans.
@@badlydrawnturtle8484 There's millions of people ready to defend Nintendo from any negativity, won't happen sadly :(
As long as we keep supporting Nintendo's products like the Switch and their latest games they're not gonna change and don't you guys think its a little convenient that Nintendo shut down a big tournament right around the holidays? They gotta make that money somehow. This kind of thing would probably not have happened in the Wii U era and we all took Nintendo back then for granted.
Thank you for making this video, melee is one of the most important games in my life. It’s so much more than just a party game, it’s a beautiful thing that brings us all together
Looking into this situation as a fan other nintendo ip, it feel like a shining beacon of hope for every other nintendo community to never give up they're love of a game meant for children. Good luck from the pokemon community and #FreeMelee
This is a tough watch, given recent events. But it's as beautiful now as it was when it was first published. Melee is sick, and it's here to stay.
I was glad to see innuendo studios' video because that was in fact the first time I heard of the competitive scene. Crazy to think that was 5 years ago.
Everyone needs to send this to Nintendo. We need a response. Maybe we will even get a Christmas miracle and their icy hearts will grow 10 sizes.
I promise you, they won't. No one from nintendo will watch this no matter how many times people send it to them, and even if they do, they simply do not care. Melee isn't a game they're currently selling and these adults aren't their target audience. You have to remember- these are not people with feelings, this is a corporation. They do not care if it's not making them money. They want these people to buy Ultimate, that's all. And honestly? That fucking sucks.
They already did respond. Saying something along the lines of Thank you for caring about our game. We reached out to them to ask them to not use slippi, they refused so we took legal action. I don't think they will reach out after that
@@LunatheMoonDragon Yeah, but they care about money, so they, therefore, care about optics. If this video is obviously seen by Nintendo and ignored, then it'll be bad for PR. Any bad news about a company lowers the stock price because the stock price is an assumed net worth of the company
@@Calebanton Bad PR for what? This is just a group of childish adults whining about a 20 year old game in the eyes of most people, including nintendo.
@@metrolink147 That's the problem. Without Slippi, they can't do online tournaments smoothly, and as long as everyone has the game (and they all do), it's legal.
Thanks man. I dont even play Melee, but I care for the Smash community. #FreeMelee
Wow innuendo studios video, that's what got me into melee, wasnt expecting to see that
Props Walt this is fucking beautiful, all the crowd shots, the doc, the contemporary vids, really good stuff man
Someone pay this man, he is a legend! From the NBA community I just gotta say; #FreeMelee
it's too bad
I CAN'T PLAY. I DON'T HAVE A COMBO I CAN COMMIT TO MEMORY.
@@thecheatdotcom Lmao no disrespect but this man can't play the game of basketball! Bro not enough people get my reference, I had to subscribe to you for that one. It would be sick if you would sub back, but if not have a good day anyway man.
@@DontFearTheReeper24 you got it bro lmao
This is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen on CZcams
Thank you for creating your videos are a wonder to watch.
Thank you so much for posting this I almost cried I hope nintendo hears us and we never have to deal with something like this again
MELEE. NEVER. DIES.
I don't support the Melee scene personally, and many a Melee player has been a source of frustration for me when trying to talk about other fighting games.
But y'all deserve to evolve your scene. If Capcom decided to kill GGPO in its infancy, we wouldn't have the best netcode, the love for some of my favorite games of all time, or even Slippi for that matter. We wouldn't be having the push for the genre as a whole to improve. We wouldn't have people playing Guilty Gear XX ACR right now.
Nintendo is doing to Melee what Capcom wouldn't do to their own. That alone, considering how insane of a company Capcom is, says a lot.
Good Game, Peace Out.
i am crying
this video made me remember a lot of things
thank you a lot, walt
you desearve everything that you have
good luck with your future jobs
i never played melee in my life, was i child i play the 64 game and until now its mt favorite game of all time, i feel the melee comunity have the same energy was a child play a game for teh first time, its magical and you can´t stop, this type of passion make me star play melee a way long after the launch. nice video!
Nintendo: please make peace with the community. Charge a fee for having us use a mod or something, but let it exist. We need to get through COVID. This is the only way to realistically play the game right now.
charging a fee for using a mod is not something possible.
@@LunatheMoonDragon A fee for a tournament to be allowed to use it is. Private use would be much trickier, but Big House being allowed to happen if they get a percentage of the entry fees makes sense.
@@jonathandwilliams2885 I can't imagine the legality of claiming a portion of the profits of a tournament using a fan made mod for a 20 year old game on a 20 year old system. And either way, why would they do that? They don't care about old games and they don't care about their older audience. They'd make more money by making them buy ultimate, but they honestly, don't care if adults buy games period.
Even if melee dies one day, I’m just happy it happened
Melee is where it all started for me... the nostalgia is too real when I hear that intro.
You and AsumSaus introduced me into smash, it gave me something I enjoyed and I could try to grow in. I love this community, thankyou Walt.
This video is powerful.
#SaveSmash #FreeMelee
I hope a similar movement ends up protecting SMM2 creators, fan game and ROM creators, and other communities Nintendo created that they have openly hated.
Just by seeing the party hat pikachu stock icon and the red Yosi stock icon I knew it was axe vs amsa
The Homies
Man I may not play Melee, but this video really does it for me. For better or for worse, Melee has the most resilient community I've ever seen. I hope you win your battle my dudes.
Had a single tear roll down my left cheek to this, amazing video Walt.
Even though I don’t play melee but.... #FreeMelee
Thank you, Walt and everyone who participated in this video. #FreeMelee
Incredible video man, the feels are real
This brought tears to my eyes.
Thank you walt and thank you melee (and smash as a whole)
Why can’t Nintendo just be happy that a game made 20 years ago has such a passionate fan base, why are they trying to kill something that so many people love?
I think it's also because they want people to buy the newest Smash game being Ultimate which is still an amazing game and my personal favorite, but they need to understand that people can enjoy what they want to enjoy in any way that they want to enjoy it. So put shortly, they want money and they are no longer making money from Melee, but they could really solve that problem by making an HD port of Melee on their newest console and lovers of the game would buy that up so fast, it really makes no fricking sense why they haven't done this yet.
@@vslazer6728
It makes perfect sense why they haven’t actually.
GameCube/Wii CRT:2 Frames of input lag!(less on PC)
Switch Modern TV:7 Frames of input lag!
Not to mention that they will try to patch the game because Sakurai sees it as a failure!
Making less people buy it because Nintendo ruined the game like how Disney literally destroyed their original princess films.
@@smashkiller64 I don't understand all your nerd words, but I respectfully disagree. I still think it would work well and more importantly sell well.
@@vslazer6728
Input lag is how long it take from when you push the button to when it happens on screen.
Nintendo Switch has very high input lag making the games feel not as responsive.
Melee is all about speed, slow Melee would fail.
@@smashkiller64 I think Switch games are fine and not that slow, but I've never played Melee so I would have no idea of a comparison between the Switch version and the Gamecube version.
Melee is freedom, free form beauty.
Beautiful, absolutely gorgeous video right there Walt!!!
This is what I needed today, this hits home with everyone that loves this game
Nintendo hates the fact they didn't invent the Slippy mod, a brilliant rollback netcode that puts Ultimate's online to shame.
Yet if Slippy never existed, Nintendo never would go back to create an online Network for a 19 year old game.
Brought a tear to my eye! Such a sick video!
This video made me tear up, I love Melee. Thank you for this
#WhatMeleeMeansToMe?
Friendship.
Community.
To know that I can improve in anything.
16 years playing, 5 of them in the competitive scene. Many more to come.
To melee. The greatest game of all
#HappyBirthdayMelee
I miss the days when Nintendo had a soul.
Well I do think it’s a bit messed up by Nintendo taking down melee form big house BUT there is 2 sides of every story, but if you look at Nintendo’s side, you see a big event of YOUR game BUT they are playing it in a version where they don’t ACTUALLY have to pay for the game. Nintendo thinks that they are playing it because you don’t have to pay for it but it’s actually because it has online but yeah, i honestly don’t know how to feel about this, I’m sad that Nintendo took it down but i also understand why it got taken down and more people should know why because they think Nintendo is just completely heartless even tho they are not
@@duyan3010 you cant actually buy the game officially anymore and you can play melee completely legally from a melee disc ripped to pc. Its completely legal morally because nintendo doesnt give us an option to buy the game
@@ozi3756 true that’s another thing that pisses me off is that they took it down but we can actually have a legal way to play online melee
This was so well done, I'm about to cry. Melee has helped me through some of my worst times and given me some of my best friends. I'm not very good, but I don't think I'll ever stop playing this game.
#FreeMelee
Thank you dearly, Walt. I'm not even that big on Melee and yet I still got emotional.
I love this so much but the 5:05 clip feels out of place, lol
Asumsaus has a different style ;)
Awsumsaus is how I got back into melee after watching tournament sets on youtube 10 years ago
We don't need Nintendo. This is just yet another road block we will find a way around.
And nearly one year later, Walt will be part of the first Esports team that made a real contact with Nintendo. And they give us the visability that we didn't have.
they finally made it happen.
Brought a tear to my eye seeing everyone at majors having fun again. I miss that and my locals more than I ever thought possible. Gonna be amazing to be back in those venues again. I’m counting the days.
#freemelee
I needed to say that
Too late already sold my nintendo switch and getting a ps5 last time nintendo hurts something i care
Nintendo is like that abusive boy/girlfriend that he says he wont do it again and does it again, it was just a big lie.
Thank you, nobody else could have shown Melee the way you have in this video.
I may play ultimate but you and many of the content creators for smash help keep me going. I wouldn't be where I am today (litteraly and figuratively) without all of the times these videos have dragged me out of that hole.
Thanks Walt, thanks everyone for being there wether you know it or not.
This gave me chills. I have only ever been an obsever of this community. I didn't grow up with melee but I still love the game and the comunity. It has honestly made me root for a person in a game sports or video games. I love melee with out ever touching it
You've done it again Walt. Thank you.
7 years in the smash community and I’ve always loved it, met so many of my friends through melee, I’ve been around the country playing smash and I’ll never take away the countless hours I drove with friends to tournaments out of state and spending the entire day in a venue with people who loved the same game I did. I’ll always love melee no matter what and I’m glad it exist ❤️
Beautifully put together
This is awesome, and my first thought when i started watching was "guys, its time to move on, get over it" but then i think back to so many different games out there and the way they enjoy different formats. and in a way, melee is just another format for smash.