Tour de France Stages 4-9 GRAVEL and SPRINT DRAMA
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- A summary of stages 4-9, some takes that I feel have been missing from TV coverage, and thoughts on tactics, riders, and the race overall.
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I didn't see it until another commenter pointed it out. The difference between Cav and Phillipsen in that final sprint is that Cav looked over his shoulder three times before he moved. Phillipsen didn't look at all.
Best race commentary I’ve listened to. No visuals. No backdrops. Just Phil talking tactics and offering his perspective in Phil fashion. Love the guys at Peacock, but if that network is looking to make any changes, search no further. Phil is your guy. I could listen to him break down races for hours. Ok maybe not hours but you get my point.
Enjoying these ones Phil. One thing I noticed whilst watching the full overhead video of Cav's finish, he turns and looks behind him twice as he is moving across checking the gap behind him. He didn't blindly just swerve like a certain other sprinter does
From watching the intermediate sprint in the last stage it looks like a tactic “the other guy” tries to adopt in every sprint I.e. leave a slight gap against the side fence, then close it to box his competitor out.. he is an absolute cretin that deserves to be kicked out of the tour..
Not only „what if Sepp was here?“ but also „what if 2022 Wout would be up the road and waiting for Jonas?“ It shows how incredibly close this game is.
There is nothing wrong with changing "lanes" in a sprint, it's changing lanes INTO another person that is the problem
Man you’re killing it. Please keep it up.
I didn't realize how much power is involved descending until a local pro passed me like I was standing still on my favorite technical descent and I realized how hard he was accelerating after the peak of each turn.
Tons of time to make up IF you are brave enough. Especially in the turns, specifically, the exits of the turns
An example of good triumphant over evil. Phil has more CZcams subscribers than WEDU😂.
Best commentary, flat out, from an ex pro who calls it like it is, with a lot of opinion. You put your judgement out there, but caveat that point and let people ask questions in their minds. Great insight. Wry. Funny. Sharp.
What’s your take on Chris Horner? 🦋🦋
@@elkellenhabla I like Chris as well, very knowledgeable, like oranges and apples.
In last year's Tour, Tadej was coming off of a bad wrist injury that happened in the spring and he was unable to ride for over a month. He got to the Tour and he was neck and neck with Vingegaard on all the mountain stages except one. Tadej cracked on that one stage because the injury meant he wasn't in top form and that ended his hopes for a win. This year Vingegaard had a much worse crash and injury, and it's a miracle that he made it to the Tour at all. It's even a bigger miracle he's in the top three. But the mountain stages are looming, and I'm predicting that Vingegaard's quick return to the Tour will catch up to him on one of the climbs just like what happened to Tadej last year. If there are no mishaps forTadej, he has to be the odds on favorite this year.
Not unreasonable by any stretch. If it happens, people would largely expect it. Yet, it could be that JV (or Remco...and Roglic, who were also injured pretty seriously, though not to the extent) defies this. As a non-expert, JV doesn't seem to my eyes to be in top form, but yet he's in the mix and clearly Visma is doing what it can to preserve him, hoping that he will defy expectations.
This review alone cured my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.
Screw Grey Poupon! It’s all about Maille!
Phil I've been saying for the last few years, gravel has been in the TDF since 1911. The first mountain stages were a lot unpaved mountain passes 🤔🤷♂️. We're just suffering this societal need to advertise everything to the extreme. I loved riding bridal trails in Irvine, Costa Mesa and Fullerton in the late 60 and early 70s .
Did you ever do Como St. when that area was still agriculture?
Bridle (horse tack) not bridal (wedding related).
@@1519Spring Si' 😏 and way back then I was doing it on either a stingray single speed coaster brake or a 26" Schwinn beach cruiser with a surgino 3piece 2 by crank and a Bendix kick-bsck 2speed hub. I had fabricated a mount and affixed a campagnola short cage derailleur jockey wheel set-up and brazed a front derailleur mount.💪 I also built the wheels out of 23" Speedway motorcycle front akront rims and huge 9gauge stainless spokes. 🤣
I was a creative 10year old who's dad taught me to use tools at age 6 and up🙏❣️
@@davidg2731 I did not. 😥
TBF, there weren’t a lot of passed roads in 1911.
What makes Biniam Girmay's win remarkable is not only his race and country., but also his team, Intermarche Wanty. The team had not secured a single win since they became a pro team in TDF. He handed them not one, but two victories. The emotions, shouts and tears of the managers when they heard in team car radio he won is funny but good to watch. You can tell they've been itching for a win for a while
The team was working flawlessly, it was a pleasure to witness
The chain drop thing is a known Shimano issue. They don't have a clutch on their road groups so there is enough chain bounce on the unloaded portion of the chain closer to the road to drop a chain on the outside when going from sprint to 0 rider power input. Sram has a Orbit fluid damper clutch so it happens far less on those groupsets. This chain bounce happens even on smooth roads and being in the hardest gear makes it easier to drop on the outside.
Its scariest for fast descents. Safa Brian had it happen to him on film when going near 50mph in this video czcams.com/video/KV51udbBj-w/video.html but thankfully recovered.
I say this as someone who runs Shimano over SRAM road groupsets.
And they still haven’t fixed this, wow.
Stuyven has won MSR that's a small classic 🤣 and Het Neuesblad. Jasper's Uncle is the Chocolate shop owner and master. I'm actually in contact with him to have some chocolate specialty treats made. Love your insight's Chapeau
Giving bike mechanics and fitters props. Nice form, sir.
Love the rapid-fire delivery. On point. Awesome!
Regarding Bernal, if you wanna know something crazy, the final 8km steeper section of the Galibier he went up faster on stage 4 this year than he did in 2019 when he won the TDF. He was around 1 minute faster if I'm not mistaken
So he's currently at a higher level than he was in 2019 but his crash has impeded his progress compared to the best guys right now
And remember what happened on the downhill of that climb into Tignes when him and Yates got waved to stop. I always wonder what the ending would have been?
I’m enjoying your commentary videos so much. Great work and really insightful.
Thanks - we really look forward to these!
Cav was clear. He did a shoulder check too. Him going left didn’t interfere with anyone behind him. Clean win.
10:00 and the Bob Roll kept calling them cobble sectors 🤦♂️haha
Thank you for making me snort my orange juice this morning. The Astana mechanic joke is my kind of humor. Cookie fondo sounds like fun.
Balls or Brains is so good
All you said about the chainring is true, but the main factor is that Cavendish was running an old 55t 11-speed dura-ace chainring on a new 12-speed chain. Watch a recent bike rundown they did for this tour and they discuss this setup.
I really like these kind of videos. 👍
it looked to me like Cab suffered a “broken” chain.
I don’t believe it was dropped.
Somebody posted a pretty revealing video.
Thanks for your comments and I have read your books.
Bini is the 2024 TDF star and it's great to see a different stage winner almost each day. Cheers
Thanks for the insight!
Thanks for this Phil
Thanks again! The fondo sounds fun
I think with multiple broken ribs and pneumothorax that's got to be tough to push that power in that position 🤔
I’m no power sprinter but the chain thing happens to me too when I’m spinning out on a downhill and stop pedalling …100-0rpm just knocks the chain and mech a bit.
Same here on power and sprinting. I'm old and have a clear memory of rear hubs/wheels never doing this when there were cup and cone bearings. As soon as there were sealed bearing rear hubs - that seems to be the change. Smaller bearings that have stiff rubber seals are my guess at what pushes the chain forward when coming off power suddenly. With me it's not much power just the quick change.
Agreed, total whiff on the dijon cross sell
I could use photos of the guys he is talking about to make more sense of this. But it's good.
I was thinking the same thing, but of course Phil doesn't have the rights to show anything from the broadcasts.
Oooh!, you are good at these 😁❤
Would they really need a gravel bike for this stage? Most recent road bikes have clearance for 32mm tires. The gravel didn’t look that chunky. 32mm tires actually roll faster than 28’s or 30’s at lower pressures with more traction. I wouldn’t want to be mid pack and breathing all that dust! They really need to apply magnesium chloride to these roads to keep the dust down. I liked seeing aggressive moves on the gravel by Remco and Tadej! Matteo Jorgensen may prove to be the the most important domestique to Jonas. The kid’s a beast! He’s the best American rider in Europe at this point!
Being a Dane, my money is still on Vingegård!
There's a difference between "balls" and "brains". Sweet phrase & very true
The biggest problem with the Gravel stage is that it showed you how boring normal stages are. They are pretty boring as nothing happens compared to a Gravel stage.
The footage was good, there were many attacks. Remco managed to attack, and Tadej and Jonas had to follow. There was always something happening.
The only thing that can be criticized is the newly laid loose surface. Not gravel itself, but the extreme way it was artificially created.
Other than that, it’s something that tests and showcases the strength of the teams once again. Jonas had two flats and had to use a helper's bike. He also said that the team closed a gap for him when he couldn't follow himself.
Other than watching the GC competition for first place, it's going to be pretty boring going back to watching regular stages.
Here is an idea, get rid of TT on roads. It's a stupid category that favors heavy $ investment into Aero gains where only a few people even race.
Make it into a Gravel TT, the resistance is not wind but the surface, way more watchable and favors different kind of athletes.
I continue to be bothered by the dust kicked up by the support vehicle(s) in cross-country races and these gravel bike races. It makes it difficult to see the action and it can't be good for the athletes. The benefit of being in front use to be you could avoid much of the dust. Could you imagine if it was wet and the lead rider getting covered in mud by the support motorcycles? BTW: Nice commentary.
As far as I saw, none of the teams rode gravel bikes. It looked like everyone just ran 30s or 32s on their normal bikes which looked like plenty. The mechanics are changing out tires every few days anyways so I don’t think there were any additional logistical challenges for the gravel stage related to equipment.
“There’s ba lls, there’s brains!” 👏😊
Yes sir.
There are* balls, there are* brains.
Word is that Cav is rocking an 11spd front chainring on a 12spd groupset.
I've seen one time trial I found really interesting: The penultimate stage of the 2023 Giro. 10k flat, then 7k with 12.1%.
I love these updates even though I follow the tour anyway. Nice to have your take and opinions on the things I think I know and see. Every time you cut your video I'm so curious as to why you did it. Did you just mess up a sentence or were you about to be too honest? Thank you for the entertainment and keep up the great work!
As cool as gravel in the tour was or wasn't, that logistical factor is something i hadn't thought about and is very hard to argue with in terms of whether or not gravel should be part of the tour. Perhaps in some future where race bikes morph toward "all-road" bikes and are generally more adaptable, so they only need wheels or something, who knows.
Galibier segment was broken by several fellas. In general is it harder to break records set in-race when attempting them solo? Example are those Nice hills you mentioned. I imagine would be impossible without peloton. Enjoying your takes. Keep 'em coming!!!
'a lot of Jaspers this year'
Cav's mechanic still in business because a) he's team mechanic and b) most mishaps are results of Cav's personal wishes
Abrahamsen averaged 340 W for 4h... What an engine!
That gravel stage was awesome. The teams and riders complaining need to stfu.
Git gud or don't.
Nah, it was stupid.
They are referring to him that way, because of Hunter and Impey prior stage wins. But he is the first black cyclist to win a TDF stage.
18:14 I don't think they have a van just to follow the Tour around. I think they probably do nothing but go to bike races. If you wanted, you could probably watch one within ten hours of Paris every week of the year.
I figured the Black-African descriptor for Girmay was because of Froome...though he did get UK card but was born in Kenya and had represented Kenya early in his career
Thanks Phil. Enjoy your perspective and insight. 🚴🏻🚴🏼♂️🚴🏾♀️
9:44 other white Africans at the tour: Chris Froome lol
There was a TdF stage in the 2000's ... was it 2003? Stage 2? Anyway, in the one I'm thinking of, there was a big crash in the last km, Sammy Sanchez was right behind it with, like, 60kph on the clock and nowhere to go, and he just bunny hopped two guys in succession bang bang and came through clean.
Just wait till they hear about gravel beach cruiser racing
Which teams brought gravel bikes? It looked like most everyone just shoved 32’s on their road bikes and called it good. Except there was one rider on 25’s, which… was hilarious.
"Because 25s are faster." Ha ha haaaa. He must have lost a bet or ticked off a DS.
@@billinhouston3291 Must the pelotons resident flat earther. 😂
@@RyonBeachner ha ha haaaaa
“That was on Brand for the UCI” 🤣😹😂🤪
Is Oscar Meyer even allowed to sell mustard in France? They're pretty serious in France about regional products actually following all the rules to be certified regional products
Nobody would buy that crap there. Their cheapest mass-produced stuff is better than that yellow ball-bearing grease OM is selling as mustard overseas.
I think they're just trying to emphasize Girmay is not a black European. But yes, it's a little silly as they could just say first Black winning grand tour stages
"You tipically don't expect a smaller rider to be that good on ITT"... the world champion on ITT is 4 cms shorter...( Remco 1.71) ... dude... come on. For reference Pogi is 1.76 Rogla 1.77 Jonas 1.75.
They actually had gravel bikes? Or just bigger tires on road bikes? Was anyone running tires bigger than 32c?
Some of each
On Cav's move to the left during the sprint; I've said it before and I'll say it again, mark sprint lanes on the ground. The rule is that if you leave your lane and impede another rider relegated. Lanes should be wide enough that a sprinter can lead out and slide past still.
Remco's big mouth again !
*Were* there gravel bikes on stage 9?
as a Pogacar fan I have a bad feeling about this race. I've seen so many Jonas fans saying Tadej will get smoked in the mountains that I'm starting to believe it.. It's cat and mouse and Jonas is the cat
…and in one of those parallel universes you got an ‘A’ in Physics!!
Can you give us video chapters next time if you’re going to cover multiple stages?
Non-colonial African might be better.
Dude.
It wasn't 'Eddy's record'. Fer cryin' out loud.
They shared the darn thing; it was both Mark and Eddy's record. Figure it out you people.