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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- On this episode I will be talking about The fundamentals of Dc and Dcc. The types of decoders available, the connections they have, and also covering aspects of SUSI and also taking a closer look at some locos and the options for adding sound. This episode is essentially to give people a basic understanding and to help people understand what I am doing, when I go through my fleet and add decoders to them.
0.20 Dc and Dcc Fundamentals
7.07 Types of Decoder Connections
9.30 Pin connections on the decoders
19.09 Lets take a closer look at some Locos
24.40 Serial User Standard Interface
31.01 Adding sound
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By far the clearest and most concise video I've seen on decoders by a long shot - thank you
Glad you found it useful! All the best Tony
That was a very comprehensive tutorial Thank you
Glad it was helpful! All the best Tony
Thank you .. just started N gauge .. gave me great confidence going forward .. more the merrier .. cheers .. :)
I'm glad it has helped! Most of my videos are biased more towards N-gauge, but many techniques cross over to other scales. All the best Tony
Great Video man!
Glad you liked it! Decoders can be quite confusing, especially when limited to space in N-Gauge locos. All the best Tony.
Hi Tony, I was looking around for a video on DCC and your video came up on my search, it was really helpful, good explanation of the DCC fundamentals. Cheers Gary
Hi Gary, as I learn more about dcc I will be sharing, I do plan on showing some decoder fitting and will be covering some of the older models too. 😀 All the best Tony
Hi Tony, found that very informative, thanks for the explanation. Cheers John
Hi John, glad you enjoyed it 😁hopefully this will give people a better understanding of what a decoder is and make it easier for people to understand when I start adding decoders to all my fleet. All the best Tony
That was very informative Tony. Thanks for making this video. You are right about the 8F being the Next18 chip. I agree with you that it is the chip of the future for N gauge. The 8F all come with a speaker fitted which makes adding sound nothing more than buying the sound chip. Stephen
Hi Stephen, glad you found this video useful. I intend going through my fleet adding decoders to them and hopefully this video will give people a better understanding of what I am doing, All the best Tony
Excellent video Tony, I have learned a lot, cheers!!
I'm so glad you found it useful, I will soon be doing some videos on fitting decoders into all sorts of locos, so this video will help others that aren't sure what I'm doing. All the best Tony
Really informative video. Something I want to do is convert over to DCC so it has been really helpful, just need the confidence to fit my locos out now. 😀
Thanks for watching! I do have one video showing decoder fitting which is wiring a decoder to a class 66 pcb but I do intend showing how to hard wire decoders into some older locos 😀All the best Tony
How good are the MRC chips for say, F7A & B locs?
Thanks a lot for your tutorial Tony. It was very good. I picked up some useful tips. 'Job's a carrot' as they say. :-) Keith
I'm glad you found it useful, All the best Tony
You did your homework. Very well explained. Thanks :)
Your welcome! I plan to do more decoder installs in the future so hopefully this video will help both newcomers and others to the world of DCC and decoders. All the best Tony
Hi Tony, that was a very informative tutorial, now I know why I pay someone else to fit the chips for me. You would have thought that by now they would have made a small enough motor for say an 08 shunter that could be wired for DCC. Thanks for the video and have a good Christmas and new year. Mel
Hi Mel, as it happens I plan to do a couple of videos on chipping the 08's but I agree some modifications on locos aren't easy to fit decoders, and often best left to someone else that can do them, after all locos are expensive and very easy to damage. All the best Tony
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Hi ... great explanation and very helpful. I have a Farish N gauge Virgin Trains Class 57/3 Scott Tracy Diesel no. 57301 with PCB Solder points. Can you show a video to solder the 6 pin dcc decoder to the board. It would be a great help.
If I remember rightly, you use a wired decoder on the class 57, if you watch my video from parcel to decoder Graham Farish 66, I believe it's the same wiring. If not, let me know and I'll see what I can do. 😁 All the best Tony.
I really wish there was A video like this for american N scale
Thankyou for watching, The only real difference with American N scale is that their are a lot of locos that accept drop in decoders which are made for that particular loco, I know that a lot of Kato locos have drop in decoders available, apart from that the decoders should be very similar as they are all to NMRA standards. Regards Tony.
If a loco has more than 6 pins can you still put in a 6 pin decoder? Or does it have to be the right amount of pins?
Also, does DCC ready mean drop in decoders?
Will any 6 pin fit a 6 pin slot?
New to this! Would like to save a little cash, I notice it’s 100$ more for something already equipped with a decoder.
Thanks!
Currently in N gauge the general decoders used are a 6pin decoder, in more modern locos they use a next18 decoder and some older locos use a pcb whereby you have to solder a wired decoder to it. I show this in a video called parcel to decoder, Graham Farish Class 66. yes you need the decoder with the right pins. Zimo decoders can be picked up for about £26.00 but some sellers may still have it on offer for £20.00. Dcc Ready is just a general term used to say the loco can be fitted with a decoder, older locos that aren't dcc ready have to be hard wired whih means they have too have the motor insulated from the chassis and a wired decoder connected into the circuit which is a total different ball game. Hope this helps, All the best Tony.
Thanks Tony, sounds like I’ll have to get a DCC ready loco and decoder and try it myself! Appreciate you taking the time to explain that to me!!
all my analogue locos when fitted with 6 pin dcc they loose about 3 seconds of top speed compared to dc 12 volts ,ref n gauge
Not sure why, I suppose it depends on what voltage you dcc system is outputting to the layout or it could be the cv settings.
Very informative and well laid out presentation 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Very interesting meeting SUSI, but a bit disappointed this update lacked your usual level of nudity 😱😂😂😂 Looking forward to my Seven O Clock ⏰ fix 🎅🏻
Hi Paul! No nudity in this video unless you class a loco without it's body as nudity 😂😂😂 Glad you found it interesting. All the best Tony
Hey there. Great video, very imformative. I wondered if you could help me with a lights problem. I have a DCC compatible Class 66 by Graham Farish. I have fitted a 6 pin harness as per the instructions and I have a 6 pin chip fitted. With the chip fitted correctly I only get movement, if I flip it over I only get directional lights working. Is this because my harness is missing the 7th blue wire? If I wanted to solder my own blue common wire, where would I solder it?
Many thanks in advance🤟🏼
Hi Tracy, you are correct that movement will only happen when the decoder is in the right way. No you don't need to wire up a blue wire, this is only really needed if you were to wire up some more independent lights when using further function pads (which some decoders do have). A normal 6 pin decoder for head/tail lights uses what we call have wave rectification in other words it takes its power from the red/black wires which are fed from the track. This may sound stupid but have you turned the lights on? usual just by pressing function 1 on on your controller will turn the lights on. Hope this helps! let me know if it worked. All the best Tony.
@@TheHeritageLine Hi Tony, thank you for your reply. The function button does not control the lights, no. This chip is address 3 and I have a chip on address 1 in a GraFar class 57 that controls lights and movement fine (not swapped them over yet..)
..my decoder is the wrapped in blue plastic type..
..they both are :)
@@tracypanavia4634 Maybe worth just trying the chip from the 66 into the 57 just to see if the chip is working properly at least it then will show if the chip is okay. what brand decoder is it?
I really wish i had watched this video when i stated n gauge last year! Great video Tony. Can i ask... i never bother to wire my motor wires and rails any specific way... is there a reason for wiring them a specific way im not aware of?ive pretty much self taught myself so far but as far as i can see all the chips ive seen seem to have a full bridge rectifier built in that i beleive deals with the reverse voltage/ac from the track. is it simply just to make the locos run forwards if using a controller? i havent got a dcc controller myself as i control my locos from the pc so if they run the wrong way i just invert their direction digitally on the pc, ive not had any issues yet lol but im more concerned as i got a comment the other day on one of my videos saying i should wire them correctly? but basically the only issue would be the loco just goes the wrong direction?, that was quite an essay, just gona see if you fitted that tts chip😊, i fit them as its just the cheapest way i can get sound but also i think i like the challenge of it 🙃, all the best chap👍
It's just common practice to use red and orange together and also black and grey together in regards to motor and pickups. I suppose its just so they all run the same direction, but as you say if it runs the wrong way, you can just switch the wires over on the motor. I believe you can also change the direction of the motor through the cv's but like you it's never really bothered me, and I just change the direction on the controller. I suppose it's a bit more important if you are using some kind of automation. I love your TTS sound installs, it's a great way of getting cheap sounds into your locos in most case which will fit into diesels and tenders. Now the hardcore dcc enthusiasts will tell you that the best decoders are either Lenz silver/gold or the Zimo chips. Zimo chips tend to have excellent motor control and if you start using the Aux pads you can even connect smoke generators and servos. This maybe useful for your helicopter coach ,with the sliding doors and rising platform. Like anything its just a case of getting hold of one and having a play 😀 In regards to the TTS chips I don't connect them to a motor, I only connect them to dcc and my own speaker under the board. because I don't use a motor, I can only use the diesel decoders, the steamers rely on the back emf so won't work. But I do have other sound decoders that don't rely on back emf so as they say there is more than one way to crack an egg LOL! All the best Tony.
@@TheHeritageLine Thanks alot Tony 👍 You have way more knowledge on DCC then i do, just wanted to check i wasnt going to break something long term with my wiring. Yes TTS are cheap and cheerful, i quite like them, some are better than others. I will get Youchoos to fab me up a chip one day, ive seen the comparison between the quality of chips and if i make one loco sound really good i fear il have to ammend all my current fleet to better sounding chips 😂, with the 007 train il probably just put a reed switch in the carriage, make it cheap and simple 👍, Take care mate
increased the voltage with dcc concepts exrra output ,better but signifant lower speed with dcc this is not ever commented on .yes cv is max at 255
I suppose this has never been commented on because not many people run their trains at full speeds, they concentrate more on running slowly and smoothly. But with dcc other factors can come into play like what other items your dcc bus is connected to ie. lighting, point motors, sensing modules, how many tracks is it powering, single track circuit or 6 track circuit, size of layout which is why some users need boosters. where as in dc, a single controller will power one route dcc will power the whole thing. Not sure if this helps? All the best Tony.