Old Generations Vs New Generations
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Old Generations Vs New Generations Transformers
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if we could somehow marry the transformations and vibes of the older chug figures with the proportions of modern ones, we'd have perfect toys imo
That would be the dream
Hidden or not, I think kingdom Huffer’s weapon storage is brilliant.
Agreed
Agreed best weapon storage ever
And Cyberverse Adventures Deluxe Bumblebee , also earthrise Sunstreaker
And besides
His weapon looks like the Spartan laser from Halo
I also prefer fresh takes, but isn't this also the first time they've made highly accurate g1 figures in the mainline? I could be wrong, but I think every other time has been an homage rather than an actual attempt to recreate what we see onscreen with modern tech. I say let them have it, I'll be happy as long as I get some interesting figures.
My favorite era is probably rotf / hftd too. I feel like they really hit their stride with movie toys or (even better) movie-like toys. Original designs that were not limited by a model made for the screen, yet still had the engineering and aesthetic.
Question is, couldn't other fans just think about something else instead of just G1?? I mean the Alternators series were my favorite toy series in the 2000's because of the realism their car modes looked like.
@@kinnikuman-devilman_fan_2002 K.
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No, not really... Before you continue whining about G1, consider the fact that WITHOUT G1, there'd be NO G2, NO BW/BM, NO RiD, NO Unicron Trilogy, NO Bayformery movie $#!t, NO Animated, NO Prime, No Cyberverse, NO Rescue Bots, NO NOTHING... JUST Gobots probably...
So go ahead and do your whining & complaining about G1, but while you do that, JUST remember that if the rest of US G1 fans weren't buying and demanding the bulk of the TF stuff Hasbro produces... YOU and others LIKE YOU, couldn't get ANY of the figures from series' YOU prefer, at ALL, because for the most part, there's NOT enough of YOU to support entire lines, WITHOUT US putting OUR money down too...
I'm not a G2 OR a BW/BM fan AT ALL, but I don't go around whining about Hasbro producing THOSE figures for fans of those lines to enjoy, because they took up slots that COULD have been used for a deserving G1 update figure... Do you know WHY?
For ONE, I'm not a selfish whiner, and I actually LIKE it when OTHER people get some figures from lines THEY enjoy. If I don't like them, I don't have to buy them, but I don't whine about them getting something I DON'T care for myself. Also, if it's a cool figure that maybe I wouldn't normally like, I can buy one too, if I want.
Secondly, even if I DON'T LIKE a particular TF line, I STILL respect where it came from (G1) and what it represents, with the potential to be something really good... Even that Bay crap, which I hate watching and 97% of the toys, occasionally has some good stuff.
Basically, it begins AND ends with G1, whether anyone likes it or not. That's just how it is.
Constantly whining around about it doesn't do YOU, or anyone else, any good, BUT IT does annoy people, like that constantly buzzing around in your face little gnat during the summer... JUST saying.
Learn to appreciate, or at least develop some respect for certain things, instead of whining relentlessly about them. You'll be a lot happier in life. ALSO, THIS IS A HOBBY, learn to ENJOY it!!! Don't let it control your life.
For the record, as I mentioned, I'm NOT a G2 OR BW/BM fan, BUT when Hasbro produces a GOOD updated (G3) figure derived from those lines, I buy it. I've bought several of the BW inspired Kingdom figures this past year, ALONG WITH those G1/G1 Movie updated figures, and I look forward to hopefully picking up some 2001 RiD inspired update figures for my collection, as I still have MOST of the figures from that line, but would love G3 versions... Same with G2, Unicron Trilogy, etc.,
Stop whining about things and just ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE... Eventually, they'll produce what you want. 😉😅😅
@@shanehai2699 Ok
@@shanehai2699 he wasn't whining about g1 tho? He was pointing out how most transformers fans only care about g1. Also, just because it's the original and we wouldn't have all the other stuff without it Yada Yada Yada, doesn't mean it's automatically the objective best.
Animated is definitely my favorite line. The figures are simple to transform, but they use that to great effect. The figures all try to do something unique.
Plus they look like they came out of the TV especially jazz and bulkhead there awesome
A lot of people have said I am biased towards the older toys, and yeah I'm a bit biased towards em. But I do like newer toys, you saw the shelf I have a lot of em. But these three specific examples I like the old ones more. Probably should have added that in the video but hindsight is 20/20. Lol. Hope that clears that up
@@babylonknights1160 I got a universe cyclonus and movie smokescreen for about 20 bucks
Blurr is my pick for the worst SS86 figure thus far. I really like Kup.
@@UnfaithfulServant97 seriously man that sucks I was going to by it! So how bad was it?
@@preceptorprime2894 agree to disagree. I really like SS86 Blurr. To each their own though.
@@megamasher3 ok but I’m still skeptical now
Okay, THANK YOU.
I’ve recently been looking to pad out my G1 ‘modern’ collection. Up until now I’d really only stuck to heavy IDW-centric stuff. (Gen Magnus, Springer, Skids, that sorta stuff!)
But now I wanted to get the full cast. Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Tracks, .. and in choosing… I went with the ‘CHUG’ era ones. Like when looking to get a new Wheeljack (which just arrived today) I went with the Generations one. Someone asked me ‘why not just get the newest ones?’ And I couldn’t quite explain why I didn’t really love the look n feel of the new ones, but you hit the nail on the head. It’s about the quality, the heft, the feel. And in large part still also it’s simply because of aesthetic. The ‘older’ CHUC stuff just had more visually interesting designs and most importantly it had the most fun transformations. New ones feel too simplified. They’re effective, that’s for sure. But I love the creativity of the old ones, that would impact the robot mode more substantially.
I personally think that we're actually in one of the best moments of transformers right now. The thing that really has made all the WFC trilogy that great to me is the coherence in scale and styling, and the fact that we now have a minimum standard articulation. Of course the plastic is nothing compared to the materials they used to implement in the beginning of the line, but in comparison to what we've gotten in the last 10 years, now the plastic is in an acceptable degree. Another thing that I really consider an improvement is the engineering becoming ultra efficient, making the toys more intuitive while giving space por good articulation. The mayor downside has to be how irregular the QC has gotten, that's the big reason I try to keep me away from Studio series, even I do like the designs, but the geewan stuff and Beastwars too have been so far pretty solid.
Now in terms of design, I do think the re imagining factor was great, but after re-imagining the designs tons of times in every single sub line, having some stuff closer to the source material was good too. Of course I really miss the old quality plastic and the separation of the clear to the solid plastic, but I do believe that the more clever engineering going on right now really makes up for the lacking points.
Now I'm really concerned about the pricing, but is more because how stupidly expensive the dollar in my county has been in the last years goddamnit
My favorite line will always be cybertron. Because of nostalgia but I still play with my old cybertron toys and they hold up so well over a decade later. Also the designs are so kino and iconic.
I actually very much agree with most of what you said. Yea “G1 accurate” is nice but I really like the new takes on characters which we don’t see that often.
My favorite lines will always be the 1/24th scale with seats/cockpits that can fit figures, so Human Alliance and Alternators. A lot of Transformers media have been about the interaction of Humans and Transformers so having those reflected in the toys will always fascinate me.
I'd love for this to be a ongoing series. I love when people compare the old stuff to the new stuff.
No thing can stop or beat the art of the nostalgia lmao
It's more like a shotgun than a sniper rifle, honestly.
For me, my first and favorite toy line was DOTM as in my opinion, some of them gave the definitive version of the character like sideswipe or ratchet. Never got the studio series version of these characters bc I saw no need, unfortunately I was too young to realize just how good generations figures were bc I didn’t know anything about g1 and when I came to, I realized what a good line I missed.
I'm definitely biased towards the newer ones because G1 was my childhood, and I was out of collecting from 2008 to 2018.
To me, the current toys look like robots, but some of the older ones look like humans with armor pasted on. Red Alert really feels this way.
I think the older Wheeljack's chest goes down too far. It looked like he's wearing a bib of some kind.
That being said, I see Generations Sargent Kup is available for less than $20 USD on eBay, so I might give him a try. He's the one I like the best of the three you spotlighted.
My favorite transformers toyline of 2000's is animated, I missed those days of transformers toys...
Dang, you really nailed it in many aspects, man! The newer figures merely give the illusion of fun. That's the truth. (They often lose their charm in a couple of hours.)
Furthermore, Kup & Wheeljack also had C-Clip tech; while Red Alert was multi-presentable, over and above 5-mm compatibility & integrated weapon storage in both modes. (Clearly, the older designers were simply more passionate, man!)
PS. Was there since the very beginning of Classics, then Henkei (2006 onwards).
I ended up replacing my Earthrise Wheeljack with the Kingdom one because the paint chipping was so bad, the silver for his mask was almost gone after a few months or maybe a year.
The best part about the older transformers is that they have plastic molded in color while the new ones have painted plastic which chips off over time
If you want G1 accuracy then buy the masterpiece figures (though by all means, stay away from the Arcee figure). Granted they're very expensive and a lot of them are completely sold out, though if you can get your hands on some of them for a reasonable price, then go right ahead and get what you want.
Thanks for remaining me why I passed on SS86 Kup, opting to keep my Gen. Sargent Kup (with the cygar head). Yeah some of the older figures could actual hold their weapons with 2 hands. Speaking of Optimus, I do like the Earthrise one, he's amazing but every now and then I have to mess with the old classics Prime. That thing feels like a WEAPON compared to the new ones.
I was born in 2000, with my first Transformers exposure being through the films/animated. The newer toylines feel so much more cookie cutter than the older stuff. Plastic quality and size of the older guys is unmatched by today's "standards."
ROTF/HFTD is the pinnacle of Transformers toy design imo (also have a soft spot for DOTM, despite mechtech). HFTD Terradive is a masterwork of Transformers toy design that has yet to be topped.
In terms of new figures weapon storage, siege hound has a great way of doing it. The rifle plugging in underneath, the should cannon becoming a type of exhaust and the ammo clip becoming a sort of thing on the back. 9/10 for me
Hound was my first transformer to WFC and man I remember how much of a kid I was playing with it. I haven’t felt that way since Armada.
when talking about actually being toys, the unicron trilogy (mainly armada and cybertron but also some from energon) will always be my favourite. Armada megstron still stands on my desk.
I grew up with those so I know I'm biased but unicron trilogy stuff is just so fun ya it has its lemons but some of those gimmicks can be a blast
Dude I love your reviews, I love your content I can respect your biases towards old toys, I actually don't collect much TFs but I do enjoy them, but.....
I feel like your Video Essay or writing could be a bit better in this, yes I know you're biased to the old stuff I respect that but it just became so stale I fell out the video midway
Just commenting here idk if I'm just not getting it but I honestly think your script could've been better written cause hearing "the old stuff is so much better" 100 times gets kinda stale. Not hatin dude believe me I just don't think this was that well written.
Yeah I will agree with you on that a bit. This was longer than my normal content and having to write a long script was a bit meh for me. It def could have been done a bit better.
Thanks for the feedback
Hey man I wanna see you succeed and I love the fact u take a look at olds figures cause they were really really good.
Goodluck mate u still got a lot of videos here I dig a bunch so DW I'm not just throwing random shade
Appreciate it bro
Well old figures have no exact source material to be inspired by. Hence the designers have more freedom to engineer however they want the figure. While the g1 figures need to accomplish both an accurate robot mode and vehicle mode. And now old figures cost like crazy and I don't really like the articulation and design choices. Thus I prefer new ones better
I’d rather have the older ones because of build quality, charm, cleverness and creativity. Before the 2000’s is where I would want to *LIVE*! But it’s easier to get newer ones so I live in the new lands.
I like the Trilogy figures better, especially Earthrise and Kingdom, because they bring back the nostalgia from both the toys and the cartoon and many cases. I own the 3 old generations Lamborghinis (alert/swipe/streaker) and I don't really care for the robot mode. The old generations Kup truck is pretty sweet, but G1 Kup was one of my first three Transformers, (still own him) so yea... nostalgia again?
I recently started collecting again almost solely due to the Trilogy line of toys. More attainable, afforable and G1 toy/cartoon accurate.
Thanks for the videos!
I prefer some of the older generations because they don't just look like an exact g1 figure
I love the hftd, dotm, prime first edition and rid toy lines mainly because those were the ones Out when I first really got into transformer
I own pritty much all the current and generation and G1 figures . When I look back when I collected generations Red Alert , Wheeljack ect there was always this feeling in the fandom we loved them but we just wanted what was in the cartoon . Now we are getting that and I have to say IV not had any real QC issues ect with any of them I'm pritty much happy (if anything I'm looking at my masterpiece collection and wondering if I'll sell some lol) but the other side effect from getting what you want is now I can relax and appreciate the generations figures alot more as there not my definitive rendition of that character and I love playing with them alot more . Keep up the good work btw love your content 🙂
Its all good until your united wheeljacks feet crumble to pieces around the balljoint meaning no fixing whatsoever, give me earthrise anyday, my classics red alerts feet have trouble supporting him and weird knee pads dont look right so kingdom all the way. SS kup can go take a leap straight into the bin though, ive got (imo) the best version of him with the takara repaint titans return version.
Huh, what did you change you finally popped back up on my recommend feeds? Kudos., great vids.
I Stan old Generations yet most of my collection is new
Hmmm now that I think about it the Sideswipe/Sunstreaker/Red Alert/Punch mold (all three figures were actually repaints of each other with different heads,) the chest for them (when in Sideswipe mode) is kind of weird.
I also Stan reissued Beast Wars toys.
My favorite TRANSFORMERS toy lines are The Unicron Trilogy, The first five movies, Beast Wars, Seige and Kingdom.
Here I was envious of your new red alert. Ready for you to bash the old figures. What a twist that the old ones are quite competitive with current generations.
I collected all of these, definitely was a good, affordable time to collect. I really like the cybertron/galaxy force toys. The cybertron Defense team up against modern generations decepticons is not a fair fight.
Im still upset we never got Orion Pax retooled into Kup. I think that would have been a great figure.
Chug back then is to make a fun toy that transforms, Chug now is to make a good action figure that transforms.
What....I love the 86 Kup. Mine has joints that fit great. His arms and legs fall off to recreate when he lost them in the movie....love it.
Siege red alert is amazing. Still haven't got the earth mode one. But red alert is what got me collecting again.
I think my problem with the older ones you showcased is that despite their vehicle modes, which are great, the robot modes just look super unpolished. I don't know what it is but while they do sort of look like the character, they feel kind of messy with the design, and I appreciate that the newer stuff almost always has a certain etiquette to them that makes them look like actual anatomy.
Best comparison is that the newer stuff looks more like season 2 beast wars toys like the transmetals and fuzors, where the old stuff is like the first year. It's definitely not bad, but you look at rhinox cheetor dinobot and Wolfang, and then compare it to transmetal cheetor, quickstrike, and Injector.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile I agree with red alert and wheeljack to an extent, but generations kup looks amazing in robot mode. He dosent look unpolished at all imo
@@nachoprime9649 he looks like beast machines rattrap
@@AwesomeMooseSmile I dont see that whatsoever
Dude, don't you have anything else to do besides hating the old Beast Wars toys?? besides show accuracy is overrated.
I think overall its very dependant on the figure. Both lines have big ups and downs. I think the newer lines have definitely made their quality and standards in terms of transformation and articulation more consistent, but that means you get less stand out figures. The older lines to me, were a bit all over the place. You'd get some incredible figures, but others were just ok. Some of the newer stuff just feels like a mini masterpiece though. Earthrise prime and kingdom cyclonus are incredible, with kingdom rodimus being arguably better than the masterpiece.
I'm personally excited for the new wheeljack that's coming out it looks fun
I think it all really depends on one’s priorities. I used to be the guy who would have gotten all 3 Kups. Nowadays I’d probably only get one, maybe two considering the uniqueness of the 2012 version. Though I’d probably go with the Titans Return Kup as opposed to the Studio Series, G1 accurate enough for my taste while still being a well built figure!
Typically, my first priority is a functional and good looking robot mode, what that look is doesn’t matter. What does matter is how that figure looks among other figures (ex: Cliffjumper has to be the same height as Bumblebee; the Seekers all need to be the same mold; etc). Matching aesthetic is also important to me. Not to say that a Cybertron mold doesn’t have a place on my Generations shelf, but sitting Botcon Scourge next to Kingdom Cyclonus doesn’t look right to me. So a lot of times I get a lot of newer figures because of their more unified aesthetic.
Even though they're bigger and presumably have better quality plastic (I've only been collection Transformers for a few years), the new figures seem a lot cleaner and better proportioned than the older ones, source material accurate or not.
now is the golden age for looks, definitely not for price and quality of materials.
While I do sometimes enjoy stylized looks, I'm more for cartoon accuracy. But you do make some very valid points.
The old Kup definitely needs the iGear head upgrade, the default one is so ghoulish
Personally I prefer the newer figures because they have better body proportions and as the video says, they look better for display.
Agree with the weapons storage issue, Generations Arcee in car mode had a specially prepared gap to store the big and for the small gun there was slot placed between the hands keeping them in place.
Why do you hate old stuff so much? :/
Generations/Reveal the Shield Jazz had some amazing Weapon Storage, like the gun was stored under the hood and the speakers were on his doors like that form of storage was absolutely amazing
I own all of those old figures. And while I miss some of the paint and extra parts, I'll take the new ones 99 out of a 100 times. My whole life I've wanted upgraded versions of what I had and saw as a kid. I love this new era. I especially love the updated BW characters we've been getting since Kingdom, like the upcoming Silverbolt.
Man those older figures are just so much better than the newer ones
In terms of looks and accessory storage I think we need to go back to 2008-2011 stuff, it was simply amazing, and we could at least experiment with making more complex transformations again.
Not sure this video was at all necessary. The new toys are objectively more show accurate and toon accurate, and many would argue (including myself) that we’re currently in the golden age of TF generations toys. But none of that matters because you very rarely look at these things with a proper eye because you’re so obsessed with the older toys. Which is totally fine, to each their own, but it doesn’t make for a good video concept when everyone following your channel knows no matter what you’ll choose old toys. Anyways, good luck moving forward.
Who cares? It's the fans' own fault for being obsessed with G1 since that's all they ever care about.
@@kinnikuman-devilman_fan_2002 what? 😂😂😂
@@papermelon It's their fault because they never allow me to enjoy the other Transformers cartoons I grew up with like Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy,RID 2001, Animated, and Prime just because they're not like their precious favorite G1 cartoon.
I love the old stuff even tho i dont have much of it but RoTF was amazing to me, when I got back into the scene of Transformers I never thought kids had trouble with transformations, it always kinda amazed my grandparents on how i can transform figures without the instructions and even today i find that being the most enjoyable part (I guess it was cuz where i live and went to school a lot of kids had traditional action figures while i chose transformers any day over that) I find myself itching for older figures recently but with Legacy im excited to see where we go design wise (plz i just want IDW characters like Ironfist and Guzzle or Unicron Trilogy characters like Tidal Wave). Also I'd love to see these videos now and then I think its a great series as a kind of look back for newer fans and i love it!
My favorite will always & forever be Cybertron and Animated. More so animated.
Animated is probably my favourite. Partially nostalgia but also they just hold up so well. All of them have amazing joints and transformations. I feel like voyager optimus is a bit of a dud with the legs tho. Just so limiting in the knee bend. But still the way they look and play and feel they are easily my favourite
Update for anyone who cares. I’ve played more around with animated optimus and I am in love, there’s something there that I can’t put down. He jumped off the screen and I’m willing to forgive the faults. Still a kick ass line I will always love
*Old Generations was basically a mix of G1 and Bayverse BEFORE Bumblebee. In fact, some generations releases canonized characters into the Bayverse such as Lugnut!*
I have a bit of a sad story. That Generations Wheeljack was the first Generations figure I ever got as a kid. When I first unboxed it, it immediately became my favorite Transformer and I played with it all the time. Then literally after only two weeks of having that figure, I took it with me to my grandparents and played with it in the sand and the gears got jammed. It wouldn't transform anymore so I had to get rid of it. Then when Earthrise Wheeljack came out, I was obsessed with getting that figure to refill the void my last Wheeljack left in my life. It was a decent figure, but sadly, it didn't fully live up to my expectations. Although looking back at the original, I would say the ER version at least looks better to me, but I still miss the OG alot
Also, funny he motioned Subaru Impreza with Wheeljack, because that's the exact first car I got. Better not drive it in the sand LOL!
Transformers are fun toys first and the most important part of a Transformers toy is transformation. It's literally the main gimmick and name of the brand.
Plastic comes second and the plastic on old stuff is WAYYYYYYYYY better. I said it before and I'll say it again, this plastic's particles hold together so powerfully, their density can absolutely crush the sun
The designs are more realistic
There's more charm and nostalgia with the old stuff
Ball joints and screws are much easier to repair than pins
More features and references
Yeah old stuff is the bomb and not just for Generations, but other shows, especially the movies.
As an ex gunpla builder guy who just got into TF recently, i'm grateful to come here. My first Transformers figure is the Unique Toys Dragoon, which omg is what i can only describe as fall in love in first sight. I was at the time when i love Perfect Grade due to it's complexity and huge size, and at that time i was aiming to try PG Zeta because it amazed me of how great the engineering was to make such a huge and detailed robot to transform into a jet. But since its PG Zeta, it's so hard to find and until this day i can't find it. So i randomly watch Jobby, and this is where it all began. At that time, he just got the UT Dragoon. And boi, my jaw just dropped. I was like "A large robot who can turn into a jet and it's already pre built out of the box and i can just play with it ? YES PLEASE" and the rest was history. I still love Gunpla since well that's what i grew up with, but the fact that Transformers are actual sentient characters that can transform into vehicles instead of the mindless war machine that is the Mobile Suits just idk more appealing to me. So yeah, i'm glad finding out about this community 😁
"G-1 TRANSFORMERS","ALL DAY"! 💪💪
That red alert got repainted into sideswipe, sunstreaker, and punch-counterpunch
I've been collecting CHUG since 2006 with Classics Op/Megatron. I have the Sergeant Kup and Unitied Wheeljack in this video. I agree with you on Kup. I was tempted in getting the SS86 one,but I felt the headsculpt was bad and the arms look too emaciated. 2011 Kup looks old and grizzled in a good way imo. However some older figures were duds like Universe Galvatron. Kingdom Galvatron is probably the finest CHUG iteration of him. I do like them experimenting with alt modes sometimes like Universr Onslaught and his swat form. Siege Ironhide is significantly better than Universe Ironhide imo. I'm just rambling but this was a good idea for a video.
The problem with SS86 Kup head is the angled chin they added, making the face longer and giving him a comical frown. I shaved some of the chin off and he looks way better or mine now, with a shorter face giving him a sterner look.
I always saw Kup as something like captain price from the mw cod games the old one is exactly that especially with the sniper
red alert as a lamboghini is so much cooler than the ambulance. in my head canon, wheeljack will always be a New Edge 2004 Mustang from Randall Ng and Dr Smoov G1 videos
IMO, new Red Alert is the best one. Old Kup is amazing on his own, but for a "G1" Kup, I think the Titan Return is far superior to the SS86. Much more enjoyable. As for Wheeljack, the tiny windshield panels on his legs that keeps popping off kill the deal, making the old Generations superior.
You are correct. The best Kup is TR, specifically Takara colours
@@izzik2781 I'll have to hunt down the Takara. Not only for the colors, but the molding differences as well, notably the arms and the head. Worth to have both the Takara and the Hasbro side-by-side.
@@lekanraposte6732 it's worth it believe me I picked one up in Japan and it's perfect . Tho don't get me wrong I love the more toy look of Hasbro copy too
Okay I'm glad I'm not crazy about the black plastic LOL. For some reason in Earthrise, a ton of the black plastic looked kinda green under a light or if I painted black on it, it would look very different. IDK if that's a Covid thing or because every trilogy has the weak toyline with less funding (which was Earthrise for WFC) but it was something I kept noticing.
I don't know this for a fact, but I always thought that a lot of Alternators designers probably went on to work on Classics because there's a lot of thought put into the alt modes and the way they interact with the robot mode.
lol I grew up with the Unicron trilogy but have loved every generation of toys tbh. I liked the old universe line, the movie lines, the new ones too. maybe some people just need to stop complaining
I got the Sergent Kup years ago and I love the old model truck mode SO much. So solidly designed, and feels so right on the stubborn old grump.
Honestly this makes me wonder what fucking mind blowing Transformers we'd have now if we got the engineering advancements of the last few years but plastic prices had stayed the same. Like imagine how the kingdom Sideswipe mold would've turned out with the build quality of the universe one.
Oh, also, I REALLY miss the stylized aesthetic of pre WFC. I love the toys, and I do appreciate that they don't use g1 accuracy as an excuse to leave out sculpted detail, but the new aesthetic doesn't do it for me nearly as much.
I have had zero issues with my SS86 Kup. I know a lot of people complain but I love it.
I love transformers new and old! I still play with my Cybertron Optimus and Wing Saber Set! Things a beast and deals so nice.
I missed out on collecting anything from the early 2000 for the most part, the only exception being a Sargent Kup (with Cy-Gar head swap), because I saw it and couldn't bear to pass it up. that being said I've gotten a lot of joy out of the newer figures, and I will add that my SS 86 Kup seems to have much tighter pegs for his limbs than yours as he rarely comes apart without direct intent to do so (funny side point, his pegs are the same style as the Weaponizers/Fossilizers, and that has lead to many play shenanigans) so that's a Your Mileage May Vary point. I can see the joy in both, but not having the funds to go hunting the older stuff, I'll kindly enjoy getting the new kids to rebuild my collection 😁
I DEFINITELY agree with you about Kup for sure. I think the older version is built better and is much more fun. Thanks for the videos!
While show accuracy is cool, I miss gimmicks, like lights and sound, mech tech, etc
Recently got inspired to start building up my CHUG-scaled Autobot display (comprised of old CHUG figures and the newer SS/WFC toys). My MakeToys Striker Manus is my stand-in for Orion Pax, and I've got Classics Bumblebee but no Wheeljack. This video just made me wanna grab Classics Wheeljack off of another collector's hands.
Great comparison!
Autobot cars are a real mixed bag on old VS new. I swapped out old Red Alert for the new one, but I kept old Sideswipe. I really like that mold, but it really fits SS more than RA, even though I have a 3rd party head and shoulder cannon to make him look more like himself. Since I kept SS I ket Sunstreaker. The new ones yellows looked bad in person, so it was a pass.
The Prowl bros all got swapped out since I hate the old mold. In theory it's okay, but the pain on Bluestreak and Prowl is just terrible and dirty looking, even when it was new.
Ratchet and Ironhide were both replaced, but the new ones aren't that great either. I bought 3P feet for them. I hear Studio is supposed to have both of them eventually, so maybe I wasted my money. Even with the replacement feet they aren't great sincei hate the way the windows work (some being clear with most not even painted on).
I like the looks of the old Trailbreaker and Hoist more, but they're just too small. Sometimes size matters.
I kept RtS Wheeljack over the new one. I like his look more overall. But I did get Exhaust. I appreciate how clean the transformation is.
I have Classics Mirage. I know his look is divisive, but I still love it. So fun to transform. Not replaced. But I did get Netflix Mirage since I love his colors. I still prefer the Classics one, though.
I got United Jazz and the Studio one and, although I appreciate it, the old one is just better to me. In every way. The deco isn't even right on the Studio one; if I was committed to him I'd have to reprolabel him.
I did replace Tracks. I like the look of the new one, despite those feet. Maybe it's longevity is in question, but I dunno. For him (and not WJ) I think the old looks is beaten out.
Still like the old Hound. I hear he was controversial even back in the day, but I still like his look.
Still, I gotta say, the Decepticons have really won the day when it comes to new toys. Only Astrotrain is a stinker.
Thrilling 30 era is probably my favorite era
Interesting video it's neat that
We have a lot of options with g1 characters now you kinda get to pick and choose favorites you can display your generations wheeljack next to seige Optimus everybody wins
i split the difference by keeping certain redecoes of the older toys in my collection. for 201 Kup, i still have Botcon Electro. for the 2008 Lambo mold, i still have Funpub Punch/Counterpunch, and for Wheeljack i still have.....SG Tracks
I think the old ones where thought for kids, to be played.
And the new ones are for collectors, to be displayed
This what we called evolution they fit the market on time they release. Transformation follows the Astethic of the design.
I 100% agree with I also favor the older transformers figures
I think the only one that can even slightly compete with new is kip but it’s a shame because wheel jack could’ve been good but they screwed up the legs and made him a dwarf and I do really like the old red alert mould but not as red alert or sideswipe I wish they just made some rando repaint like the cancelled overdrive
you should see my kup. not only does he have the igear head, which improves him 100%, but ive made him look "old". hes got scrape marks that make him look like hes ran into more than a few things or flipped over ond skid on his roof; hes got bullet holes and laser burns (aka carbon scoring) in select places to make it look like hes been in some stuff; and generous (yet tasteful) slathering of rust in some places. he really looks like he hasnt had time to take care of himself, or he wears it all as a badge of honor. guy looks like hes been through years of battles now
What you WANT is Titans Return Kup. Hands down the best Kup. It's awesome. Although I do prefer the Hasbro one over the Takara, but both are better than these two Kups.
After looking at ss86 kup and blurr, I honestly want to buy the titans return version or the classics version
It's not all inflation; it's the Hasbro pattern. They make a decent figure, raise the price, then slack off on the next run.
I'm guessing when the sales start to drop they up the quality, up the price to compensate, and repeat the process.
They've done this all the way back to G1 and it gets old.
SS86/Buzworthy KUP Was
SUPPOSED TO HAVE His
Ams & Legs EASILY Detach,
As It Was For 86-Film Fans
To Recreate The Scene Where
The Sharkticons Dismantled Him!
You'd MOST LIKELY Ridiclue The
Waist & Legs Of Classics Mirage!
hasbro's newer generations stuff are trying to focus more on show/movie accuracy. While i appreciate it, i do wish hasbro adds some gimmicks something like the old version stuff and as high quality as before.
Yeah, pretty much sums up why I outgrowned G1 since I kept seeing it's stupid toxic debate between that and Bayverse all the time, luckily the only Transformers cartoons, toys,and,movies I'll stick to are the Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy, Bayverse (2007-2011) and Alternators for now on.
Not sure if I'd call what we're in a golden age, but more like a renaissance, like the disney renaissance from The Little Mermaid onwards
Can we all just agree, RotF Leader prime is just the best
I don't have any iteration of the Earthrise Sideswipe/Red Alert mould (except for Gigawatt, which has a lot of problems although I'm not sure how many of those are the result of the retool) but I do have the Universe 2008 Sideswipe, which I always considered to be a bit of a pain to transform. I haven't handled it in a while so I don't remember the details, but I recall it having issues with parts getting in the way of other parts, not clipping together securely, etc. My Red Alert, however, is and always will be the Universe 2003 Inferno toy. Love that thing.
I also don't have Earthrise/Kingdom Wheeljack, but I do have Exhaust and while it's functional its vehicle mode is basically just a slab with a windshield on top, while the Generations one is kind of weird and clunky but a lot of fun to transform (and "weird and clunky" fits with Wheeljack's personality anyway.) The Prime version is also good if I want something sleeker and more straight-forward.
As for Kup, again I was never a huge fan of the Generations one since the spring-loaded parts interfere with transformation, but I've never handled the new version so I can't really compare it to anything.
Funny story, I actually got the old Gen kup at economics for 1 dollar, sadly no weapon, but every part of the figure was there. Not even loose. 😏
In my opinion, old Generations (and the original CHUG lines in general) is generally better. Engineers weren't limited by having to emulate the G1 look, resulting in vehicles that arguably looked better than the G1 modes, and featured innovative transformation techniques. The weapon storage was great. It truly lived up to the "Robots in Disguise" motto; the accesories complemented the alt mode instead of getting in the way. And let's not talk about partsforming.
Obviously, there are exceptions, I think the 2008 Ironhide/Ratchet mold suffers from too many design flaws (sunken neck, bad articulation, giant backpack) to be considered good.
While Universe's "Datsun" mold (Bluestreak, Smokescreen, Prowl) is good, WFC's is better. Other exceptions include Warpath, Hot Rod and Cyclonus, while their old molds are nice on their own, they just don't compare to the WFC/SS86 versions
Seems like we're getting smaller figures that cost more than the older ones. I kept all of these older versions. They really are that good to either leave in alt mode or just have a different take on them.
To this day, I still pass on some new molds because there's a better version on my shelf that's over 8 years old. But the latest WFC trilogy has the absolute best licensed Generations figures in general so far.