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- čas přidán 21. 10. 2023
- Hey guys, here Ryan tests out 5 different optics and 4 different types of mounts to give you his opinions on them and the pros and cons. Hopefully you all get some value from this. Enjoy!
I just came here to justify my purchases.
I’m the opposite, I want to be convinced to buy 1-2 ATACRs instead of my razor and leupold.
😂 yes
@@hannibalbarca2939You can always resell them without much loss.
@@hannibalbarca2939oh dawg, I wish I did the same lol. Got an nx8 2.5-20x50 as my “modern improved” seal recce rifle because the 2.5-10x24 and 32 were not an option. Looking back I so wish I waited for a less expensive second hand 1-8 ATACR (I really wanted one), or went with 4x16 over how cool extreme mag range can be and got the ATACR 4-16x42 for the same price I paid for the nx8. I love my scope and it’s amazing but I knew nothing about it’s eye box and super sensitive parallax range. Lesson learned, when you wait a year for a bonus and the opportunity to spend 2k+ on an optic just know that although all scopes in that range are amazing they all have their quirks and those tiny little differences will make you so sad lol. Don’t order anything you haven’t seen in person either.
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Adding some bookmarks;
Mark 8 - 2:20
Vortex gen 3 - 15:40
Atacr - 26:51
Mark 5- 35:06
Not all heroes wear capes.
You are a saint. Thank you.
Great reviews, thanks for the in depth info!
I had a Razor 1-10 and I'm one of those guys that thought it was an excellent 1-8 and I didn't care for the big center dot in the reticle. I sold it and picked up a K18i. You're correct that it does not have daylight bright illumination, but I love the glass clarity, low light performance, eye box, weight and FOV.
Always interested to get more perspective. The PA PLxC 1-8 seems to be where it's at if you do go Lpvo.
Maybe not the best for durability and has a dim dot.
@@ToxicGamer86454I purposely throw my rifle and i haven't had issues with the PLxC yet, and person i don't tend to need a bright red especially past 50 yards @1.5 magnification.
@@ToxicGamer86454piggyback aimpoint will be a perfect combo with the plxC
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Aimpoint is a brand, not an optic. I guess you’re talking about the ACRO. I have a T2 and something like that would be too big. Maybe the T2 at 45 with something like a Scalarworks mount.
I just don’t see the point in the PLX when the NX8 is only $250 more and has proven durability and a daylight bright dot. The ACRO and a mount is gonna put you around $750 or so. Plus the NX8 is more compact and you won’t have an extra sight hanging off your firearm.
Just my opinion.
Love that you included the CQBSS. It’s been surpassed, but way ahead of its time when it came out.
Ignore people hating on video length. I prefer an in depth review!
Thank you for the comparison and review! I love the ATACR too.
Great video. Lots of good info that you wouldn't otherwise get from reading product pages. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Surprised not to see the vudu 1-10 up there.
I was going to get the ATACR recently as everyone raves on them. I finally got my hands on one a few months back to see it for myself. Honestly, I was a little disappointed. Glass was clear, turrets were crisp, eyebox was ok, everything was good but personally, it didn’t feel like a $3k optic. I ended up going with a Leupold MK 6, 1-6 instead for $1500. It’s almost as good in every category but significantly less money. I know people love Nightforce but for the money I feel like Kahles and Schmidt and Bender are a significant step up in quality for a little bit more. I mean, if you’re already spending $3k on an optic, what’s another $500? In addition, I know there is a bunch of new stuff out there but I still find that the Vortex Razor gen 2 1-6 with that simple bdc reticle is still really good. The only problem with that optic is the weight. Anyway, that’s my two cents… what are your opinions on price vs performance on the Nightforce?
I bought a Vector Continental 1-6x24i
I like it quite alot but im also not a gungho bad ass either
It has (to me) great glass, good simple SFP reticle and more than plenty day light bright red dot center since it uses a fiber wire
Feels like a more budget friendly PST 1-6
Details cost time. I dig it. And the og bore height example. Haaaaa. I love it.
No description naming the LPVOs, no chapters? Must I watch 45 min video to find out what optics he is talking about!?! 🙄 😂
Show me your video for comparison. Thanks.
Plenty of other channels to follow, mate. Thanks for the feedback though!
Hey, thx for the clear explanation of the different characteristics & clarification of your arguments. Well done !
You are the second video I see on this subject and couldn't really find any other in this "versus" realm.
However, you as well as the dude from the other video, do not mention anything about the Trijicon VCOG SCO.
Why is it that the Trijicon VCOG SCO is left out of these high quality LPVO's for comparison ?
What's your opinion on the Trijicon VCOG SCO ?
I've been watching a TON of lpvo videos tryin to decide. This is the best video yet, thanks! I had the vortex 1-10x for a bit, it was way cool, but ultimately that reticle center dot was the fatal flaw for me. I'm leaning towards tryin the atacr next.
Which Vortex?
@@5jjt the Razor HD Gen 3 1-10x24 with the MRAD reticle.
The eyebox is a lot more important when you are moving, in close quarters or shooting in non-standard positions (on your back/side, around barriers, etc.). During those times the eyebox really matters as it may take you an extra 2 or 3 seconds to line up you eye behind the scope, acquire the image, line up the dot and take the shot.
This is why everyone has started to just run dots alongside LPVOs as a matter of course. Even the best LPVO at close distance will never be as good as a dot.
@@JohnSmith-yx8kf I run an offset dot on my 18” heavy barrel build but it has a 4-16 scope. The dot is very easy to use. However it really sticks outside of the envelop of the rifle and is not only a snag point but is the first thing that hits if the rifle is laid down (or falls) on it’s right side. It’s a liability if you have to use the rifle somewhere not on a range. I use it because for that build it makes sense.
I don’t like using extra red dots with an LPVO. If the 1x on an LPVO isn’t good enough then I don’t use it. That’s why right now I’m only using the Razor II 1-6 on my rifles with LPVOs. It has pretty much a true 1x with a wider FOV than any of my red dots. It has a bright dot and is excellent for close range shooting.
The rest of my rifles have some type of red dot and QD magnifier.
That’s why training consistency is key. Practice till you don’t get it wrong not till you get it right. It’s a non issue with enough dryfire drills. I have a dot solely for NVGs to avoid needing a laser.
I had the same experience with my ATACR and the scalarworks mount. It ended up coming unlevel in the rings after a couple of years
Very informative, so thank you. BTW, stop saying "in my opinion." This is your channel, so it's expected that what you say is your opinion.
Uhm, my illuminated Leopolds are all daylight bright. Use the height mount that fits your face. Remember those BDC recticals often aren't calibrated right so dont get to deep in the weeds on those. Great video!
Well done and appreciate the detail
Could you do a PlxC compared to these?
I only ask because you didn't mention, when mounting the optics you applied forward pressure? If you don't they can have the slight chance of shifting when remount. Just fyi
I absolutely love my Nightforce ATACR 1-8x in a Badger Ordnance C1 mount! I have the option to run my T2 or my RMR at either 12 o'clock, or at 45 degrees.
💯 agree with your findings.
Good video. But I stopped caring once you showed that Gordy CAR15. I would like to know more sir.
Thanks for the video. Do you have a link to the Mike B video about diopter settings.
Been running the Leupold Mk5 2-10 on my .308 LMT MARS-H, very nice optic very nice is a “DMR” type of role. I do agree that the reticle is a little thick at 10x and is definitely geared for dialing elevation, but it does mean the reticle is very usable throughout the entire magnification range. The turrets are very nice so that helps too. I didn’t feel the need for a offset dot, but it hasn’t been squeezed into much close range shooting yet. I don’t think I’ll need an offset rds though, the 2x presentation didn’t mess with my eyes all that much.
I’ve been behind the vortex gen 3 1-10, not my cup of tea, it didn’t agree with my eyes well and the image was very dark. Also got to sit behind a Kahles k16i, that thing was wicked as it produced an excellent image, but it’s reticle was strange to me. K16i or razor 1-6 might be the best lpvo put there for most people that say they want an optic for a “general purpose rifle” without getting caught up in features, imho.
I found 1 to 4x optics (Steiner p4xi and Elcan Spectre DR) and RDS with 3x magnifiers have been what I fit to most of my carbines with the Mk5 2-10 to fill that longer range role. That gets my carbines out to 400m with most ball ammunitions.
thanks for this comment, I have a LMT .308 as well, I currently use a 3.5x LED ACOG and I am happy with it in every way except for max magnification. I would really like to take advantage of the distance of the .308 and 6.5. I have used a NF 2.5-10 / Trijicon accupower 1-8, Elcan 1.5-6x, they were all alright.
been thinking maybe Trijicon VCOG 1-8, if not, maybe something in the 10x+ range. the mk5 was just recently brought to my attention, seems like a nice scope 2-10.
27:28 flex of near accurate clone
This need an upclose camera as well. Info is solid but us men are VISUAL
There are pretty much only two LPVOs I would get either vortex 1-10 or atacr 1-8 I have the latter
Vortex has many 1-10. Which one specifically?
@@5jjtVortex only has one 1-10 model for civilians.
SAI-6 is a great LPVO. Love mine
Next time you review multiple products in one video i would put chapters with the name of the item you are reviewing so people dont have to guess where in the 42 min video (way too long) the information is they are looking for.
please check your volume at as I can barely make out your voice
What cheek riser do you have on your stock?
It’s mentioned in the video.
Monstrum FTW 😂
I have the Kahles. Great glass. Super light. Worthless reticle. Worthless turrets.
Would not buy again
Thanks for making your opinion known.
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Tr24 is still legit after all these years...
Arken EP8 has entered the Chat....
#never vortex
Interesting that you'd choose an ATACR over the gen 3 or even a Kahles. Almost everyone I know, myself included, hates the ATACR for what it gives you at the price point. Sure, it's a high quality optic, but a little dated with an eye box and eye relief that's finnicky at best and problematic at worst. Eye box and relief cannot be stressed enough since you're never just engaging under perfect conditioins on a flat range. If you've got a secondary sighting solution, good on you but you can have the same with the others. We find ourselves relying more on the piggy back or canted dot than running the atacr on 1x. The nx8 is an absolute cash grab too. If you want FFP performance and have the money to burn, S&B is the way to go. Other than that, I'd save the cash and get a gen 3, or stick with SFP and japanese or german glass. 6T looks cool but I'd pick it last from the big boy lpvos. SIG makes better lpvos with japanese glass than they did at the price point of the FFP 6t tbh.
Super quiet audio. Please double your volume.
I love how people just speak nonchalantly owning multiple 4k$ LPVO optics 😂👀🤪
Professionals using professional tools.
I still don’t get who draws the line between LPVOs and IPVOs. I know 3-9, 3-12, areI PVOs but 2-10 be one too? I know 2-12 are. Shit is kinda dumb because theirs no definition for where the power classification falls, does the low power decide, does the high power decide? Nobody knows because it’s not standardized. To me a scope is just a scope. This whole LPVO vs IPVO vs MPVO vs HPVO is wonky.
No PLxC? Meh
KRG W3
Came here for scope reviews, not scope mount reviews
#2 things. #1 For Chinese glass and construction you cannot beat it for the price. ""Vortex 1x6x24"" amazing piece of work. The very best in my humble opinion...!!! Nothing else even comes close to it. You're getting too technical in your descriptions. It would be better to explain why anything over 3x9 scope is not good for a sniper rifle. Or tricks to range a target. It becomes blah blah explaining torques on mounting a scope. People coming here want to know how a bug crawling up the crack of your .....! Doesn't affect your aim or shot. How you remain statue like and always make that shot??????? And how you become invisible to anyone in hunt of suspicious people. How you blend in???? Etc. Etc. They want knowledge. . . and nothing else.
Sounds like you should start your own channel and explain things yourself?
@@MODERNDAYSNIPER #1 example of what I'm saying is do a couple tutorials on how to make an improvised Ghillie on the cheap, or how to range a target without a rangefinder, or how to make a safe cold camp. Things that others just talk about. Or never talk about. Wasn't trying to insult you friend. Most people have no clue how to do anything, just the bullshyte they put on t.v. and movies. Like what to carry to keep dogs off your trail, or how to spot for your pardner, how to plot your course etc. etc. I've never yet seen anyone explain ranger beads and plotting their course with map and compass. Do several video's walk them through it. People love to learn. I'm just another "Gomer" who was . Nothing else friend. Peace.
Not everyone needs to make a video… wouldn’t it be great if people who weren’t experts just didn’t? 😂 👍🏼
Not everyone needs to make a comment about everything.
42 minutes. Yeesh.
5 optics in 42 minutes sounds about right to me
CZcams allows you to play back at faster speeds. 1.5x works well and saves you some time.
42 min well spent. Not bad at all @2x speed 😊
Worth it. Great comparison.
It takes more then 42 mins to be a accurate shooter. So appreciate the time when someone gives an in-depth review.. There is a reason why military spends millions on training soldiers to be the best shooters.