Ask This Old House | Garage Heat, DIY Security System (S17 E4) | FULL EPISODE
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- Richard travels to Akron, Ohio to install a garage heater; Tom teaches the basics of sanding; Ross installs a DIY security system; Mark investigates a strange issue happening to foundations in the Northeast.
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Ask This Old House | Garage Heat, DIY Security System (S17 E4) | FULL EPISODE
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The guy from Akron was a great guest. His rapport with Richard was good, an obvious seasoned handyman who needed little instruction. TOH has found it's next member!
I love the segments with Tom and Kevin together. The dynamic reminds me of all the projects I've done with my dad and grandpas over the years. Tom is a master teacher.
instablaster...
To prevent loss of connection to the security system when the power goes out you can also add a UPS backup battery to power the modem/router and security hub when the power goes out and avoid cellular subscription fees.
Yeah that's correct. However how often do you have a power loss just in your house? It is probably more like the whole street or area. In which case there is a good chance that your internet connection is down too. There is a chance of a cellular connection being down in this case too, but at least it is lower.
@@lal12 no, highly rare, all ISP's have every system on backup power sources because they provide critical emergency services to many different clients like Voip as a 911 service, or critical data to companies and emergency services, aslong as you can keep your system's up, when the power goes out. If you have cellular also then that is just a bonus, cell towers have generator backups also.
@@lal12 the internet very rarely has issues on the back end, its typically just loss of power at your place that causes issues. also itd save time with router reboots and all that
@@bradhaines3142 the internet Backend is not the problem. The problem are your local hops, the question is if they are on power backup
@@lal12 if theyre not on backup im sure they get power from farther down the line, there are more than a few neighborhoods served by each one so its power would be fed way behind yours or your streets.
Tom Silva is the man. He's the best from the East to the West!
Love how everyone at the end was listening lol. They should have included the camera crew and the producers as well.
funny
They should have started including random people walking down the street as well.
"Hey you homeless man, have you heard about this foundation issue?" "Yes I have. That problem is what put me on the streets! :( "
I really feel for the folks with the crumbling foundations. I live in North Central CT and it's happening all around me. They've traced it back to one company and quarry. The co. is no longer in business and would never have been able to come up with a fraction of the $ needed to help at all regarding compensation. I built my house in 2001 and used the concrete co. from my town, and yes, I have proof. I also have proof of where the concrete came from for all the additions I have done over the last 18 years building in this area and have been called upon to show it when my former clients went to sell their house, to show that at least the addition concrete was from a sound supplier. This whole thing is quite a tragedy for so many homeowners.
Privatize the profit, socialize the losses. Such beautiful capitalism.
@@monkey314159 The fundamental problem here is that their eff-up was so bad that it has caused 10X more damage than the entire cost of all of the work they *ever* did over the years.
I really really love you guys!!!
Great video.. enjoyed it.
Just love your shows. Really interesting!
Instead of a camera in your house, for those that aren't comfortable with it, you could add a nest speaker. It has an option to listen for glass breaking, much like the glass break sensor from other vendors.
Always great content/information! Thank you. Devastating news for thousands with the foundation issue. Keep us apprised of this story...
I'm with you Tommy I like sanding aswell!
The first guy from Akron, Ohio was a great guest.
Very cool upgrades
TOM SILVA IS AWESOME!!! GREAT JOB. TO ALL OF Y'ALL!!
why not a mini split ? you don’t have to worry about combustibles and you can cool the shop as well when you get those hot summer days. you do have to clean filters is the only downside
Richard Powers
Then you have an excuse to install dust collection👍🏻
I put a mini split in my last garage and I’m fairly sure it sold my house way quicker. We had a half dozen offers in a day.
Oh yeah, this all seems kinda bad...
For the heating:
1. Direkt heat via "flame" means co2 or even co gas, which is not good. And add light saw or wood dust, and that could get really dangerous. Why not a water heating system with independent air from outside? Pretty standard here in Germany.
2. The heater seems to point to the floor, shouldnt that aperture be higher? I dont think it will heat nearly half the garage.
3. Wouldnt it be betterto use a flexible hose to the heater and a possibility to adjust or change the heater direction?
Comming to the security system.
1. Cloud dependent is a no go in my opinion. There was last year a phase when i think nest servers were down for a couple of days and e.g. Thermostats didnt work at all. Possibly this adds another security hole.
2. Same for ki like cameras learning who is allowed to be inside and who not. Also they sould have to send video data to their cloud server to learn this... Yeah, do you want this company to get your private videos?
3. Cameras with internet connection are bad, there are most of the times some security flaws and holes, and nearly no company fixes these.
So overall,diy security is possible way cheaper without these cloud connection thing, just using 433 mhz radio. Also this will work without any wifi.
Oh man Richard you were less than 10 mins from me! I also need heat out in my workshop. I would have died if I saw the TOH trailer out on I76 and I77
Thanks
No way that's keeping him warm in the winter...total joke.😁😃
I’m in Connecticut and I’ve been in a few of the houses that were lifted up and had new foundations poured, we had to disassemble and then reassemble the heating and cooling systems, my old boos is friends with a contractor doing the work, this work will go on for years
decades*
I love sanding as I am a sanding OCD type.
Nice security system.
I feel the pain with the weather especially since I live in akron Ohio too
You could plug your wifi router into an uninterruptible power supply, and still get alerts during power outages (as long as your ISP is unaffected).
On jewelry, I use 240 grit, then 400, 600, 1200, then usually to polishing, although at times I might use finer grits before polishing. The idea is that a grit has to remove all the marks made by a coarser grit. If it doesn't, you jumped too far through the grits. In my jewelry making, a 240 grit makes big marks, a 400 grit will remove all of those mark while leaving its own marks, then the 600 removes the 400 grit marks, the 1200 grit removes the 600 grit marks and then polishing through several stages removes finer and finer marks until the piece is as shiny as glass. If you jump too far through the grits, you'll just shine/polish the marks left by the lower grit, but you won't remove them. That's how you know you jumped too far.
As a science and tech geek it's always driven me crazy to hear _random orbital sander_ since it isn't random. It's repeatable. They really mean that they swirl a lot and move in small ellipses, but it is all predictable. I love the sanders. They do something wonderful. I just don't like the name because it's deceptive marketing name, not a real description of why they are wonderful. The name should tell you something about why you want this, and this is just a weak meaningless marketing name.
That backpack is even better than Mary Poppins' handbag
Poor Michael, my parents just sold their house in CT and the real estate market is really uneasy for exactly that reason. That concrete company needs to be sued into the ground.
Was there a test or method they should have used that they failed to employ? Was there a part I missed about how the company was irresponsible or devious? Why would you sue them ? So because someone is out money, sue the closest entity regardless of fault? It should be the insurance company that pays. That’s what insurance should actually pay for.
Heard the company went out of business, so there's nobody to sue.
Always hated how they waste everybodies time like showing how to plug something in to the wall but yet fail to show any of the parts the average person woukd have questions about.. like here they should have gone over all the specific options, different systems. Or the plumbing of the gas line, showing dude screw the fitting into the plate but didnt show the actual plate which would be the hard to find item at the ole home store.. or how they ran the line from the attic to the garage. Did they fish it through, was it a two story drop and the dude up top just dangle the line down until he happened to find the hole? The foundation issue.. couldve gone over different types of soil, different stresses on the foundation, when to worry, sill plate movement, dangers of diy, mold entrapment, cinder block corrosion compared to a brick or stone foundation. How to remove stains like the ones shown, different hydristatic compounds to seal, paints and hydrophobic coatings, laminates, what not to do like cover it up, wood framing members against the concrete to cover up, what happens when just using latex or acrylic paints do in that situation, maybe improper prep if the area before painting..
Ya know the stuff bob vila would have gone over.. lol... ahh.. thats funny right there... but content could be more in depth and directed towards a topic rather than touching multiple and leaving holes.. just saying.. still watch em though.. one thing they dont do on this show is give their audience bad or incorrect advice and thats a plus for the contractor that may have to go behind mr diy.. ya know, the dude or dudette thats holding a screw with all 5 fingers against drywall, one eye closed, tongue hanging out, no ppe, holding a 5 lb sledge all choked up next to the top, standing on a fully extended ladder propped up on a screwdriver to level it out, on the top rung leaning over to the side, while their four 7 year old boys are playing with their friends and toys on the floor below after dinner time unfed and sleepy, phone ringing in back pocket, and the 2 full grown huskies running with leashes on to the front door under the ladder and doorbell ringing with pizza delivery at the door... ( the cover of the osha handbook.. or should be)
I have a fenced yard and a English Setter for home security ,he tells me when anyone walks up my street anytime .man or beast he always lets me know in plenty of time. he knows all my family and friends the only regular visitor he don't like is a young Black Bear that likes to raid the neighborhood trash cans.he always sounds the alarm when she comes by.LOL
Those infrared heaters are great....if your standing under one of them...otherwise worthless.
Yeah I think in practice that's going to be undersize for the garage. It probably needs a forced air for normal temp control and the infared during wood working.
@@benjohnson4449 Agreed. You definitely need forced hot air in a garage environment.
Even if it only brings temp from 0 degrees to 40 degrees it'll probably feel great.
Toad Phillips Zero chance that raises the temp 40 degrees.
@@billb.2673 It will not...but it will feel warmer..and thats the point.
He does that much wood working...id have a woodstove.
In regard to the defective concrete foundations, is testing NOW being done to the aggregate to ensure that this never happens again, anywhere? I've heard of problems with concrete made from sand in coastal areas because on the salt content in the sand, so now hopefully THAT is a thing of the past as well.
Come to Ohio again!
: )
This Old House needs to go to Atlanta & look at a lot of Old Houses that were Remodeled _ Without bringing them up to Current Code - Horrendous
Sectional Replacement or concrete walls. treat it as SECTIONAL UNDERPINNING (at 4’ sections) to fix that foundation.
I didn't read through the comments but a UPS could be added to the alarm system install to keep the system hub powered thru a power outage to keep the property protected
You could spend all the money you earn on a security system and you would be no more secure than not having one at all. 82 percent of all burglaries involved unlocked doors and/or windows. Good locks, automatic lighting.....that's all you need.
I would bet that 50% of break in / burglaries are done by people who have already been to the home for another reason. That's yet another reason my home doesn't have a big flat screen TV or fancy new stereo in the living room. A casual visitor would note there's nothing worth stealing. Crooks also keep an eye out for small items with street value. If your coffee table is always cluttered with cell phones, cameras, lap tops, etc they will have a field day.
Wanna know security, 120lb German Shepherd and a gun
this is true. Security cameras allow you to watch strangers stealing your stuff while your on vacation. A good dog and a firearm will actually save you.
FYI Nest secure is no longer supported or sold by google. Do not buy a product that won’t be supported in a few years
My guy about the security system, good info. As a former employee of one of those wireless security system companies, you actually made it known about cellular vs wifi as well as the central monitoring station. A ton of people don’t know about that stuff. Another thing people should know is initial setup differences. For the system shown, you literally had to stand there with your phone and program the sensors to the system. They are some companies like the one i used to work for that setup the sensors for you before they are shipped to you so all you have to do is mount them. Of course that usually means the initial cost can be more expensive but it saves a ton of time.
Tommy trolling is so dope
re: Power outage for the nest system ----- Or.... Just put a UPS on your wifi router and modem. ta-da --- you still have internet.
Of course, I don''t now anything.
You can then once the substrate has become stable go in surgically to fix local problems.
I think this episode is a old one, want more "What is it"
Justin Frost it’s a rerun
Hope that gas line was bonded. Lightning strike can blow flex lines apart
titanrage83 -yummy
FYI for people watching, less than a year after this video google killed the Nest Secure system they show being installed
Just pour new foundation walls within the old walls, although basement will be smaller and shorter. Think outside the box.
7:23 why would they put the thermostat directly next to the heater?
mlc4050 Actually it’s better there because of the way this system works. Think of it as a heat ray. The items that are hit by the ray heat up. The thermostat would be heated by the ray if it were across the room. By being next to the heater it’s out of the path. Like standing next to a fire hose instead of in front of it. The results is that now the thermostat is measuring the temperature of the room.
Good question
About that bad foundation, what about home owner's insurance?
this old house . can you please try and help the common home buyer when it comes to the concrete issue? what to look fir when looking for that house and how do i establish how to test it? you also mentioned that CT has a fund but you never mentioned where we can get the information on it. hope to get a response from you.
Info can be found at CT.gov from that page search bad concrete mix. Hope this helps.
Why don't you use a barrier to stop all moisture from entering the foundation?
You have to apply it from the outside to be effective. Which requires digging out around the entire house to the footer. Then you either roll or spray on the membrane and install a drainage system. Might as well insulate the foundation too while you're there.
It's about a 20k job. And you're right, it would dramatically slow down the problem. However once you're seeing cracks from the inside you're pretty much done.
Even if you were to pin the foundation cracks from the outside (best way), the concrete itself is garbage. It could fail while you pin it or after, negating all the waterproofing work you did.
Class action lawsuit for the concrete?
20 years good luck with that
@@stevewebb7318 yeah, my friend mentioned it to me a few weeks back. He said the government got rid of class action lawsuits earlier this year. To cut down on frivolous lawsuits.
@@Woody-777 So now we have with our current "leader" a frivolous government!
@@Woody-777 no they haven't.
Heard the company went out of business years ago, so nobody to sue.
Why can't they cut a slot into the concrete about every 4' then replace it with a steel beams/ Jacks maybe then re-concrete every section 1 at a time pulling out the steel beams as you go. Yes, I realize this will be costly and a lot of work, My question is would it work? I have foundations problems at my place and I find myself doing a ton of thinking and talking out loud to myself, just no answers yet. Has there been an update to this video?
I know Akron as want to be Cleveland. Its half way from Cleveland to Columbus
Why wasn't pipe doap used on the yellow gas line connection that came through the ceiling??
This connection is of a different type, it's a compression fitting that self seals. Pipe dope is used on threaded iron pipes where the bottom of the thread needs to be filled with gaz proof paste (dope). Pipe dope was used on all iron pipe threads in this installation.
This is a nest security system and the detect sensor should be on the door not the trim around the door
He didn't say how often those door sensors need to be charged, or if they use a disposable battery.
Mr Heater belongs next to Mr. Coffee and Mr. Radar
Couldnt you do some temporary load bearing walls in the basement, knock out one wall, pour a footing, and build a cinder block wall, then once its done move to the next wall? I mean, still not an easy or cheap fix, but not as expensive as moving the whole house. And I'm guessing they still have a decade before the houses become terribly dangerous. So you could do it in steps. One wall every couple years to spread the cost out. Hell, what if you just said screw the basement and fill the whole thing in with gravel? Maybe just a slab on the very top.
Good thing there putting full episodes here again guess they realized there getting double the money Through views.
AstronomyToday trump is the worse president I can’t take him seriously. But anyways good information to know
*they're x2
What about an injection seal on that last one
Richard sort of found his look alike in his story lol
They installed that thermostat right beside that heater... I wonder why it keeps turning off.. Maybe install it behind where heater is pointed?
It's a radiant heater so you actually don't want the thermostat anywhere in front of it.
_Your anagrams are showing, doctor. 'Louis Friend?' Iron Sulfide. also known as fool's gold._
I wish I wach this episode before now I stock with adt and the service sucks and I want to cancel but I have a 3 years contract 😠😡
I hate long contract, that's how they get people now a day
Simplisafe is another good security system very similar to this one and no contract and low monthly fees. ATOH has done an episode in the past and is very DIY....
I rather go old school with Security hard wire system is best
This system is good for those that need to temper their spending.
You could add a bit hear and there over the months until your fully protected.
Way old school a couple dogs and a shotgun
@@waynekerr2472
That's a good prevention policy, but the purpose of the camera is more for catching the thieves after the fact.
I heard about a break in in which the thieves, in addition to stealing the belongings, stole the dog as well.
@@scotttovey it's not a perfect plan it counts on me being there. My dog is always with me but my stuff is replaceable I mostly worry about life not property.
@@waynekerr2472 👍😎
Aside from hacking concerns, what's to stop a burglar from coming in that door and cutting the power cord to the security system hub that's right next to the front door? Or one could just cut the cable TV line outside and disable the system by killing internet access.
B May Everything in the system is battery operated so if the cord is cut the system is still functional and is they are paying the monthly fee it doesn’t matter if there is no internet, the hub will notify 911....
@@MrEljavi84 I did the dumb thing and commented before I got to the very end. I do like the idea of a cell system, which is the only truly burglar proof (ish) way to go. But I'm sure it isn't inexpensive.
Why does guy keep punching the plywood? Ok
I was wondering the same thing. Just a bad habit, like "oh is it in place" of course it is! You just screwed it in.
Thermostats right under heater
5:00 he missed the stud ):
He did miss the stud but it had a plywood backing. But he did strip the plywood more than once he also did it too the gusset bracket
“It will even run when the power is off'” “Hand tools in the dark?”
He stripped two screws: "over enthusiastic" power screwdriver usage.
@@jasonjayalap ☉ Sunlight.
You can dig down outside of the foundation and waterproof it then the problem becomes minor.
I did that to my entire back wall. It was a crawl but it was about 5' deep. I rented my own small back hoe (smallest they had), it even fit through my 26" wide gate! I dug up the whole back, shoveled out the remaining, used a wire brush on the cinder block, waited for any moisture to dry (didn't really have to according to the products instructions I was using), and then applied Blackjack. I should have put at least a 5 mil vapor barrier on the outside of that (while still wet) but since I am not keeping the house I just back filled it back up. Took a few days of only working a few hours each day
Regarding the crumbling foundation issue, concrete always has some moisture in it, that's why even above ground, any wood that is in contact with concrete must be pressure treated to avoid rot. The moisture, however little, will wick up from the ground and into the concrete walls and cause the reaction with that pyrotite mineral aggregate causing it to expand (think frozen can of soda) and crack anything around it, ruining the wall. That aggregate then turns to dust which looks like rusty powder. It happened to my neighbor here in Northern CT.
Well said, what I was saying is that waterproofing the outside of the wall significantly reduces the moisture problem.. Or am I incorrect?
@@georgebartholemew8444 Are you referring to the crumbling foundations? If so, excessive moisture is not the problem here, these foundations have lost their structural integrity due to the expansion damage then the dissolving of much of the aggregate. Only the small amount of moisture normally found in a foundation is enough to cause the failure.
The first homeowner kinda looks like Jack Nicholson
So if the battery dies on that motion detector..no protection for that night?
Keep your AR15 next to the bed just in case.
@@freddieh5539 its new england the burglar has more rights than you
So he just put in a space heating.
Repeat??
I am not sure if the end was a public service announcement or basically a big sucks to be you from all of us to all of you. Just blown away at the issue and wonder what there goal was in featuring it like this.
I was thinking the same thing. I believe people email the show with questions and seek advice. Looks like they cover difficult questions, as this one did not have a good answer. It was more of a legal/political question
The guy with needing heat in his garage, he has some big and really close trees to his house. That would make me nervous
What ever happened to Norm?
"It's a trade off between privacy and convenience." This isn't exactly true. For one because security isn't "a convenience" monitoring is the fundamental purpose of the system. There is a reason these systems get hacked all the time while say your Nintendo Switch, also an Internet connected device with a camera, does not. The development of these systems is rushed and its not meant to be secure it is meant to be convenient and that is the crux. You're buying a toy not a security system.
Just don't buy smart home sensors with a camera (in a private area), while the system can still be hacked you won't have that much of a problem since, just seeing states of doors being open and closed isn't that exciting.
We have a ring door bell camera
Cool
Careful of a lot of those, the company that made them may sell access to what goes over the Internet. I don't think 'Internet' and 'security' are compatible words, reallly.
@@OllamhDrab. I wouldn't really call a door bell a security system, and even if someone managed to get access via some vulnerability, the best they can see is a wall or maybe a shitty view of the street...
A 44 is a good security system.
That is if you are home, otherwise you lose your .44 magnum.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Won't lose it if you have your CC.
@@saulgoodman2018 I do, but carry my 9mm shield when out and about the scoped. 44 magnum is too big to carry. So it's in the safe.
I keep hearing "Sandy" not "Sanding"
No one who wants to pay their bills sanding uses so many grits of paper. 80 and 120 is more than enough for anything attached to the house.
Why didn't you mention for power outages on the security system, that you can install a UPS for the wifi? Also, no mention of other system than Nest.
I don't know if I can put a camera in my house.
Can't u put a power backup battery charger on the wifi
Yes, but for the average UPC, your talking maybe 20 minutes of power backup. That would be sufficient to catch an intruder that intentionally cut the power, but in a regular power outage scenario, it's not going to help you much.
You would need a back up generator that automatically turns on when the power goes out.
@@scotttovey I use a UPS at home and get a decent amount of time using a standard UPS if too want longer buy a bigger UPS. You could hold that for a day if needed depends what you want.. and if installing nest devices you can afford a $200 UPS to hold it for a day. A UPS is almost a must for a smart home setup.
Scott Tovey average router uses 6 watts and hour. You could easily get a 300 watt UPS to run that for 24 hours which would cover you in anything that isn’t a major outage.
@@steve_main
I agree, if you have the money to spend then you can get a day of power backup.
I consider the average UPS the $50 block sitting on the shelf of the local Meijer and Walmart. That is what most people will end up purchasing because they won't know that you can get a bigger sized power backup.
@@Mrcaffinebean
That's only provided you don't have anything else hooked up to it.
The best home security system comes in 12 gauge.
Hope he’s not spraying any finish in his garage.
Why are you publishing this video again ?????????
it's a full episode. they were uploaded as segments before.
All a burglar has to do is sneak to the side of the house and snip off the cable and phone lines and completely render all your IOT devices useless. When my friend's house got broken into, they didn't even have to sneak to the side of the house because the cable company's outdoor box was in front of the little gated community he lived in and they just pulled the cover off and cut the internet and landlines for all 10 units and went to town. Because of that, for security, a traditional system is still much better IMO as it has cellular backup and all the sensors are hardwired and don't need to be charged up or have batteries that die. It's low voltage wire so running the wires is not that hard. The initial installation labor may be more but it's just one time and by the time you figure out all the cost of the parts and include monitoring, permits, etc. in the long run, it's about the same. The DIY works well in an apartment or small unit where your internet is more protected.
They do have IOT cameras that have local storage too.
Arie Doesn’t matter if phone lines are cut because the hub has built in battery and cellular and if you pay the monthly fee the hub will call 911. All you have to do is hide the hub in a good location. Hard wired systems are a thing of the past and old technology....
@@MrEljavi84 I checked and indeed there is a cellular backup for an additional $5 a month plus the $29 monthly fee for a total of $34 a month ($10 less if you get a multi-year contract with Brinks) That's pretty much the same as if you had a hardwired professionally installed system so I'm not sure what there is to gain by getting NEST if you end up doing all the work yourself and paying $399 up front plus all extra sensors and monthly fees. We paid $200 up front for our system including installation.
As for all the cameras, they don't have cellular backup and are 100% cloud dependent. Arlo cameras are cloud and have local storage or they could go with a traditional NVR/DVR system if they want DIY. This whole thing just seemed like a Nest Advertisement and not necessarily what's best for the homeowner.
i love the show but that security system is probably more insecure than you was before & the Companys NEVER update thair software, It Is VERY Easy To HACK & a 10 year old Can do it ! Thy Are Very Insecure ! & The Best Way To Use Them If Ya Must Is With A Seperated Network On a Good PfSense Router/Firewall !
So, someone wearing a face mask can walk right up to the door camera and just pop it off and sell it ?
Glenn Watkins The camera was already scanned with a QR code so if reported stolen its useless to sell.....
Tom Silva has to slow down his awesome explanations, even to experts.
To much high tech. So now someone can hack your phone and security sensor and know exactly were your at in your house. Will stick to a good ole fashion baseball bat.
Love The Show ! How Ever 99.9% Of All Security Cams are VERY Vonurable To So Called Hacking As Thy All Have Open Ports ..VERY Unsecure Nest Cams Are Very Very Bad For This ! a Nest am Can b owend by a hacker in like 3-5 seconds flat ! All cause they all NEVER Up Date Thair Software ! Just wanted to point that out ,as i Think Every One Should Know about how bad thy Realy are !
@BIGCHEW IoT devices are hot garbage when it comes to software. Put them on a separate network to isolate them from your home network. Only the "head unit" should be able to see them and have upstream internet access.
@@PeterPetrakis Yes I was aware Thank you for pointing that out! as I had Faild to ! i am a big fan of pfsense for all my stuff,with separate network's ! but as we both know nothing is perfect..
Better hope your wife is faithfull my coworker put one in his house and caught his wife cheating on him
Saved that man from having to pay the alimony, he is lucky
The illustrious bed supposedly drown because heaven gully enjoy absent a caring grease. greedy, nostalgic icon
Ross, you wave your hands around like Beato O’Rourke. Not a .good look.