From a musician perspective, we can calculate how much cents (100 cent = logarithmic discance between 2 half notes). The calculation itself: 1200 * ln(80/78) / ln(2) = 43.8 cents. That means: If the orchestra plays a G note during the recoding session while the cutting lathe runs with 80 RPM and then you play the record with 78 RPM, you will hear a note between F# (F sharp) and G. 43.8 cents means that the heard note is still a little closer to G than F#.
I knew about the Edison discs being 80rpm but I had no idea the Columbia acousticals were too. I only have 4 Columbia acousticals in my collection so far, they’re all listed as 78rpm on discogs….but WOW they sound so much better at 80. Thanks for the info!
The Columbia Graphophone Company. changed their record speed from speed "80" to "78" in 1927. It seems that many early American records were also recorded at speed 80, aswell as some British. But by the late 1920's almost all record companies had standardised on 78 rpm, following the lead from "The Victor Company" in America, and "The Gramophone Company" (HMV) in Britain, who had standardised on speed 78, many years before that. Many record companies, didn't quote any speed on their record labels at all, so it's hard to know which ones were recorded at 78, and which ones were recorded at other very close speeds - such as speed 80. I have heard that the official precise speed was 78.26 rpm, but I hardly think a quarter of a turn extra per minute would be noticeable 🤣.
78.26 is what you end up with counting down from 60-Hz synchronous speed (1800 or 3600 rpm). Before electric motors, recording lathes were weight driven, like grandfather clocks.
I've got a couple of 80 rpm records, but they're monologues, so the difference in speed is hardly noticeable. I'm no 'audiophile', so am just using a 12sc cartridge with a worn LP stylus.
I like your style. In the past, I have done the same. But you do get better sound if you have the right size stylus. The micro stylus tends to sit at the very bottom of the groove where there may well be plenty of dirt. Thank you for your message. Much appreciated.
"78's" actually varied by brand and location, from 90 RPM to 66 2/3rds RPM. I own a 1925 Duetche Gramophone that is plainly marked "66 2/3" and a French Pathe pressing of the Sextet of the Hot Club of France (1927?) that is a 90 RPM recording. Add to that, before 1930, there were "radial cut" (vertical stylus movement grooves) and "axial cut" (normal side-to-side grooves) and "inside-out" record brands and the "normal" "out-side-in". I also built a pre-amp with ELEVEN "EQ" (equalization) curves in common use until 1951 on shellac records. I use a 16 band graphic equalizer for acoustic recordings. I own a Pickering mono "78" phono cartridge and the 7 styli shapes and sizes for the best pick-up on "78's". BTW, some of the very last acoustical recordings, have as good of sound quality and frequency response as early electrical transcriptions. I do wish I could go back in time to when Caruso was alive with a Fostex 3 3/4 IPS cassette recorder and a pair of modern (post 1980's) electret mics. With he, "Italian Tenor" was a part, not a disease! One of those tiny TASCAM all-in-one digital recorders (with the built-in twin mics) would be near perfection! Yes, I built my own 16" "78" turntable and arm.
Ah, well, the fact is, the stylus is correct. I searched and bought the 78 rpm stylus for the cartridge. But it does look like the regular one. Only difference is that this bears a little blue dot. You are not the first so I should update the video description. Thank you for reaching out. May you have a prosperous and happy new year.
Ha ha, my response...when it's jammed. Okay, when it's a jar. Thank you for your response. Sorry that it has taken a long time to respond. I am still a rookie at CZcams.
No if your stylus does a better sound than mine good deal! Thats what counts buddy! Everybody has there own taste in sound! The important thing is that we have a passion for 78,s i am enjoying my 500 of them !!from 1912 to 1960 !
Columbia used to record at 80rpm. A lot of Acousitc recordings werent made at 78rpm either. They culd be as low as 70rpm
From a musician perspective, we can calculate how much cents (100 cent = logarithmic discance between 2 half notes). The calculation itself: 1200 * ln(80/78) / ln(2) = 43.8 cents. That means: If the orchestra plays a G note during the recoding session while the cutting lathe runs with 80 RPM and then you play the record with 78 RPM, you will hear a note between F# (F sharp) and G. 43.8 cents means that the heard note is still a little closer to G than F#.
Goodness me, I didn't expect to receive such analysis. Thank you for the insight.
But the 440 Hz standard for pitch came later.
I remember hearing that 78 wasn’t the sole standard speed for a while.
Yes, that's my understanding.
I knew about the Edison discs being 80rpm but I had no idea the Columbia acousticals were too. I only have 4 Columbia acousticals in my collection so far, they’re all listed as 78rpm on discogs….but WOW they sound so much better at 80. Thanks for the info!
You are very welcome. Thank you for taking the trouble to comment. It is much appreciated.
Meanwhile my pathe records are spinning 95rpm
From the middle outwards!
That is so cool. Sorry for the late reply but I'm still only a CZcams rookie.
Inside out, I gather. This makes it much easier to deal with shavings when the original disc is cut.
The Columbia Graphophone Company. changed their record speed from speed "80" to "78" in 1927.
It seems that many early American records were also recorded at speed 80, aswell as some British. But by the late 1920's almost all record companies had standardised on 78 rpm, following the lead from "The Victor Company" in America, and "The Gramophone Company" (HMV) in Britain, who had standardised on speed 78, many years before that. Many record companies, didn't quote any speed on their record labels at all, so it's hard to know which ones were recorded at 78, and which ones were recorded at other very close speeds - such as speed 80.
I have heard that the official precise speed was 78.26 rpm, but I hardly think a quarter of a turn extra per minute would be noticeable 🤣.
Many thanks for this information. Very much appreciated 👍
50 Hz Countries have a little below 78 rpm
78.26 is what you end up with counting down from 60-Hz synchronous speed (1800 or 3600 rpm). Before electric motors, recording lathes were weight driven, like grandfather clocks.
Interesting
Thanks
I've got a couple of 80 rpm records, but they're monologues, so the difference in speed is hardly noticeable. I'm no 'audiophile', so am just using a 12sc cartridge with a worn LP stylus.
I like your style. In the past, I have done the same. But you do get better sound if you have the right size stylus. The micro stylus tends to sit at the very bottom of the groove where there may well be plenty of dirt. Thank you for your message. Much appreciated.
Oui très courant chez Columbia... 78 ou 80 tours...
Beautiful record
Thanks for listening
I didn't know that there were some records that were 80 RPM records ! I thought all of those were 78 RPM records !
Yes. Until I got the Audio Technica turntable I was never able to hear how it was supposed to sound. Thanks for your message
"78's" actually varied by brand and location, from 90 RPM to 66 2/3rds RPM. I own a 1925 Duetche Gramophone that is plainly marked "66 2/3" and a French Pathe pressing of the Sextet of the Hot Club of France (1927?) that is a 90 RPM recording. Add to that, before 1930, there were "radial cut" (vertical stylus movement grooves) and "axial cut" (normal side-to-side grooves) and "inside-out" record brands and the "normal" "out-side-in". I also built a pre-amp with ELEVEN "EQ" (equalization) curves in common use until 1951 on shellac records. I use a 16 band graphic equalizer for acoustic recordings. I own a Pickering mono "78" phono cartridge and the 7 styli shapes and sizes for the best pick-up on "78's". BTW, some of the very last acoustical recordings, have as good of sound quality and frequency response as early electrical transcriptions. I do wish I could go back in time to when Caruso was alive with a Fostex 3 3/4 IPS cassette recorder and a pair of modern (post 1980's) electret mics. With he, "Italian Tenor" was a part, not a disease! One of those tiny TASCAM all-in-one digital recorders (with the built-in twin mics) would be near perfection! Yes, I built my own 16" "78" turntable and arm.
Wow, I am a bit green with envy. Thank you for all this lovely information.
I once had a copy of RCA Red Seal pre WWII equalization curve, but alas, have lost it.
Why did you build a 16” turntable for 78 speed? Did you just want to record large diameter 78s?
@@davidcarson4421 losing a record is sad
@@dansettemajor Not a recording. It was the equalization frequency response curve RCA Victor used pre-WWII for recording Red Seal Records.
sounds awesome!! was 80 r.p.m. a mistake or deliberate?
Deliberate. It took while for speeds to standardise at 78.
How did you discover that it was supposed to be 80? I had a look at the label you show at the start, but I couldn't see any mention of speed.
The record label does show the speed just under the word GARDEN. Thanks for watching and for your question. Have a great day.
@@dansettemajor Ah yes, I see it now! Thanks.
What a beautiful record
Wrong stylus my all knowing bearded hipster friend...
Ah, well, the fact is, the stylus is correct. I searched and bought the 78 rpm stylus for the cartridge. But it does look like the regular one. Only difference is that this bears a little blue dot. You are not the first so I should update the video description. Thank you for reaching out. May you have a prosperous and happy new year.
When is a door, not a door?
Ha ha, my response...when it's jammed. Okay, when it's a jar. Thank you for your response. Sorry that it has taken a long time to respond. I am still a rookie at CZcams.
How can you tell that it's 80 rpms as I don't think that red strobe has an 80 setting on the turntable itself?
Correct. However, using an Rpm speed test app on the mobile telephone one can determine the setting for 80 rpm.
Easy :
czcams.com/video/Sw0NUVAAZTA/video.html
You can tell it's 80rpm if you count every turns for 1 minute.
You have the wong needle for 78!!
I beg to differ, good sir. I bought a 78rpm Audio Technica Stylus for the AT95 cartridge.
Well to be precise the 78 rpm stylus i am using is a 3mill audio technica stylus at-vmn95sp which is grey color and not green!
I can understand why you thought I was using the wrong stylus. A different colour would be preferable to a little blue dot that is on my green stylus.
Is this a “my stylus is better than your stylus” argument?
No if your stylus does a better sound than mine good deal! Thats what counts buddy! Everybody has there own taste in sound! The important thing is that we have a passion for 78,s i am enjoying my 500 of them !!from 1912 to 1960 !
THE AUDIO IS HORRIBLE !!!
Oh, you are the first to say.
whats the difference
A variation in pitch. The singer is a tenor at 80 but becomes a baritone at 78. Different sound and betrays the artiste.