Beading Thread Overview: Wildfire, Fireline, KO, and Nymo
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- www.beadaholique.com - In this video, learn about the various beading threads available for your bead weaving, bead embroidery, and loom work projects. Each thread has its own special properties and is better for task over the other.
Designer: Julie Bean
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Bridal Baubles Necklace
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FireLine Braided Beading Thread, 4lb Test and 0.005 Thick, 50 Yards, Smoke Gray
SKU: XCR-1265
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FireLine Braided Beading Thread, 6lb Test and 0.006 Thick, 50 Yards, Smoke Gray
SKU: XCR-1266
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Wildfire Thermal Bonded Beading Thread .006 Inch - Black - 50 Yd
SKU: XCR-8935
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Wildfire Thermal Bonded Beading Thread .008 Inch - Black- 50 Yd
SKU: XCR-8936
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Japanese Nylon Beading K.O. Thread for Delica Beads - Brown 50 Meters
SKU: XCR-9719
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NYMO Nylon Beading Thread Size B for Delica Beads ""Black"" 72YD (66 Meters)
SKU: XCR-8932
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NYMO Nylon Beading Thread Size D for Delica Beads Royal Blue 64YD (58 Meters)
SKU: XCR-8905
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Beadaholique is the best beading channel! Easy to follow, concise, perfect! I always get exactly the info I’m needing when I’m stuck on a project. Thank you so much!
Thanks so much for the kind words Feesha, glad to have you watching!
Another thing to keep in mind if you're adding seed bead fringe, is to use the more flexible and lighter weight nylon beading threads which will allow the seed beads to hang nicer. rather than Wildfire or Fireline which are stiffer and heavier and won't allow the fringe to hang as nice.
Great tip. Thanks!
Thank you! That was very helpful. New to beading!
Super helpful for beading noobs like myself. Thank you!
Thank's Julie for this overview,i do prefered Wildfire because it's a strong one & i use 15/0 and i'm able to do several pass on my seed beads & my fingers stay clean whit wilfire inthead of fireline so it's only personnal preference like you say & i love One G Thread it's my favorite a bit more expensive then nymo but more more worthed!
Thank you! This was very helpful.
Thank you for the detailed video! That's exactly the question I wanna ask.
Thank you for the video,very helpful.
Glad it could help!
Thank you for sharing. This has helped me.
We are so glad to hear! Thanks for watching.
Something I discovered as a new beader years ago and still use. If you are experimenting or just make a lot of mistakes and your thread is fraying or breaking a lot, try deliberately dulling your needle. I use a ceramic knife sharpener and slightly dull my needle tips. The ceramic will polish the dulled needle tip so it will still pass smoothly with out catching after I have used a coarser surface to dull it.
My needle will not catch or split the thread nearly as much and my thread lasts a lot longer. I also can needle back through a bead with out splitting the thread so I don't have to unthread and rethread my needle if I need to redo something.
That's a great tip, thanks!
Thanks; I am hoping to get a project underway but I realized that I have to get some Wildfire and Fireline thread for this bracelet project I hope to get started on. I now realize why the Nymo was not going too well for this project. I wasn't getting anyway with it! Thanks again.
Glad we could help you discover some new tools :)
Fireline will fray if you make a lot of mistakes and have to pull out. It will fray. And the ends will fray if it is not cut cleanly. I run my end though some stick glue and it will glue the end down to make it easier to thread my needle. And thanks for pointing out that wildfire is thicker Han fireline. I honestly thought I was nuts 😜. This was a good video.
Have you tried a thread zap tool? They solve the end fraying problem by melting through the fireline instead of shearing through it. You can see our video on the latest model we carry here: czcams.com/video/1NQYmyPyMIY/video.html
i use both fireline and wild fire. Just purchased some nydo d. Love the smaller braclet and u have a tutorial on it
Ive broken fireline a few time so my choice is always wildfire :) love that stuff
I agree, Esther. Fireline has embarrassed me so many times as I've sold jewelry made with it. In time and wear, the beads will break the Fireline. It may work in some necklaces, but definitely do not use it for a bracelet.
@@karenallen5208 I've never had the Fireline break but have had problems with slippage of the knots & the piece being compromised. My last choice in threads.
@@kittymarch4411 I'm guessing that if you use rounded beads with softer edges, you may not ever have a problem. My main breakage issue was using Swarovski crystal bicones. They do have rough edges, and I've had several broken bracelets from these.
Has anyone compared Soft touch wire, very fine, 5lb test to Wildfire thread?
Would you kindly advice me. I have simple bead stones, quartz and obsidian and i wear them as a necklace on a string. I used firewire, but it breaks on me after few months. From regular movement, between the beads, cracks(frays ?) begin to develop and it breaks. I use double thread just to be little safer.
Do you think something softer or thicker would be more resistant to bending cracks ?
Thank you.
have you thought of knotting between the beads like they do with pearls.. that way the beads don't touch and would not get any abuse from their neighbor
Hi Julie, Thank you sooo much for all the wonderful instruction. I have ordered from your company and have been very pleased. Could you please let me know how to get the pattern or see the video for the peach bacelet in the video. Thank You Again!
I do like wildfire. I have been trying fringe earrings. The wildfire tends to curl. Does it straighten after a while.
Where is the beading wire video you mentioned? I can't seem to find it on your page. Also for the Chan Luu leather wrap bracelets, what thread do you suggest using if it will be made with precious gemstones? Lastly, what is silamide thread and when is it appropriate to use it? I've used silamide for a chan luu bracelet before and liked it, but it doesn't seem as popular, I can't find it in stores (in-person).
The beading wire video can be found here:
czcams.com/video/rUyLCmnuqiQ/video.html
We recommend silk thread for the Chan Luu style leather wrap bracelets.
Regrettably, we do not sell silamide thread, although it can be used in many projects that call for a nylon cord. Thanks so much for watching!
Great video, nicely done. I like the feel of KO for seed bead projects better than Fireline, but Fireline is sure best when using bigger beads. I am fan. However, I would not compare KO to Nymo. I avoid Nymo. It frays way too much. You don't need to wax it, it is perfect.
Does KO stretch? Looking for an alternative to Nymo since it streches.
My first experience in beading decades ago was using Nymo (before newer threads hit the market). Absolutely hated working with it & the worst for getting 'needled up'. Prefer One-G & KO.
Hi,
As I live in Australia, our wires seem different to yours.. I was wondering what tigertail is classed as? Is it what you are using or are you using beading thread?
Yvonne
+yvonne jaunay I believe that tigertail is classified as beading wire. I would use tigertail for stringing projects and projects that call for SoftFlex and other beading wires. It is not something that I would use for bead weaving, bead embroidery, etc. In the video, I am showcasing all the different types of beading threads, these are not the equivalent to tigertail. I hope this cleared things up a little, please come back to me with any other questions or if I can clarify my answer at all.
Fireline:
- Thinner Than Wildfire
- For Beading
- 0.006 and 0.008
- Black and white color only
- Much stronger than Nimo and Kio
- No Fray
- Tight stitch
- Braided
Thank you so much for showing patiently, but I have not understood how long my thread has to be in the beginning when I start the bracelet. Is there a rule to calculate the length, like x-times the wrist size or so?
Unfortunately there is really no rule because each design will use a different length. A simple strung bracelet might be fine with 2 feet of stringing material whereas a peyote bracelet might use 8 feet and a loom bracelet could use 12 feet. Usually with the bead woven patterns and loom bracelets, you will start with a comfortable length of thread (4 - 6 feet) and then add more as needed.
Hello! So I have and love Wildfire thread, its strong and readily available. But I'm interested in Fireline, I found the fishing Fireline at Walmart. Is it similar to or as good as the beading thread for earrings? I ask because I bead for a tribal dance troop and am in need of super strong stuff!
+2chenoa9 Wildfire and Fireline are my two favorite threads, i find them to both be incredibly strong. Honestly I have not tried the fishing line Fireline. I have known about it but have never seen it up close. My main concern would be its thickness and knotting ability. This might be a case where you have to experiment a little and see if it works in the application you want it to. I am sorry I do not have a more definitive answer.
Thank you so much for review. I'm beginner for bead necklace making. Can you anyone please recommend which wire is good for bead necklace , aslo can trough needle ?
We have a video covering different types of beading wire here: www.beadaholique.com/soft-flex-soft-touch-and-econoflex-beading-wire-how-are-they-different-by-sara-oehler.html
Thanks for watching!
Excellent tutorial. Thank you! I've bought a rondel bead with hole size of 0.5 and I'd like to use a silk thread to knot them together. I can't fine a suitable size silk thread for it. Can you let me know of some online shops where I can obtain one? Also, The hole size seems too small and I can't get any needle in. Can you please advise?
If you're threading your beads once, Size 2 (0.45mm) will be the best option. If you are threading it twice, we recommend size 00 (0.127mm). You can find these sizes here: beadaholique.com/search?type=product&q=Griffin%20Silk%20Beading%20Cord&_=pf&pf_t_size=0-Size%3ASize%2000&pf_t_size=0-Size%3ASize%202
Hello Julie, I use nylon for my projects. is it right? what kind of material is fireline? thank you so much :)
+Luisa Sanchez Hi Luisa, sorry for there late reply! It really depends on your type of project, and just remember, that everyone beads a little differently with different favorite supplies. Fireline is a braided beading thread and is quite strong. One nice aspect of Fireline is that it does not stretch which is helpful if you are doing a project that involves multiple passes through beads or if you have heavier beads. In general, Fireline is stronger then nylon. I hope this helps.
I have never heard of KO beading thread. I know Nymo thread stretches. Does KO stretch? Looking for an alternative to Nymo for loom beadwork to put on my loom.
Nymo has more stretch than KO beading thread. It is a good alternative with a tiny bit of stretch. It will work for loom beading work.
can you use this wire to do say beading pearls and knot it? found it d
Teresa Rothove What wire are you asking about? Thanks!
Wire
www.beadaholique.com/c-60397-wire.aspx?CZcams&
Note that the fireline/wildfire .006" carry different weightloads and therefore, although they are the SAME diameter, the heavier Wildfire is actually denser- it simply appears 'thicker' to the naked eye...
Kathleen Ahrens took the words right out of my mouth. She compares 4lb to 10lb.
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For work on bracelets do you recommend 4lb or 8lb.
For 8lb can you use a size 12 needle? Loved your video, I hope to see your "wire" video soon.
Thank you so much, Mal
The size of your thread is really dependent on the beads you are using and the size of their hole. 8lb will be nice and strong but if you are going to do multiple passes through a bead, I recommend the 4lb. And yes they will fit thru a size 12 needle. A little tip to make threading easier, pinch the end with the tip of your chain nose pliers to "flatten" out the thread so it slides through the needle easier.
Wildfire:
- Thicker than fireline
- Black and White colors only
- Multiple passes through bead
- No fray
price of wildfire thread
I've done fringed earrings in the late 90s and didn't know how important it is to know the type of thread to use. I've had great results with some, but some were frustrating because my fringes would bend or hang twisted. The thread would not straighten out. I didn't keep track of which types I was using. I once used filament which is a disaster, once you bend it, it's permanent. I've started beading these last few years, same problems. My nymo thread is not good so I'm going to try wildfire or fireline, can't remember if I had bad results. Also, the upper part of my fringed earrings, using the brick stitch, when finished is not firm, some women apply clear nail polish. I've done that too and it holds it firm. So, which thread is recommended for fringed earrings? Thank you.
We like using Nymo Size D for fringed earring projects. Thanks for watching.
I just bought nymo. Because my wildfire and fireline are too stiff. They just don't dangle right.
For bead weaving - use Fireline or Wildfire
Fireline is also bonded.
I ran into difficulty with a square stitch piece recently. When it came time to add new thread to my project, I found it impossible to weave it through because I had use 6lb Fireline (which I always have on hand because that's what I like to use in Peyote), the 6lb Fireline was too thick, because there are so many multiple passes through beads (I use size 11 delicas) in square stitch. Am I right in thinking I should instead use 4lb Fireline for square stitch?
+Stephanie Sharp That's a good observation and I would say yes, if you have found it too difficult due to the multiple passes to get the regular 6lb Fireline through, then I would recommend switching to a lighter weight one. That is really one of those "learn by doing" instances where it would be pretty impossible to know about that unless you have actually tested it out. Good call and thanks for sharing!
+Beadaholique Yeah, it is all learn by doing definitely! Sorry I also forgot to mention I had been using a size 10 beading needle, but actually size 12 is better, and that made a difference when I switched, as well. I did eventually finish that first project with the 6lb Fireline and managed to add new thread eventually. But the finer gauge thread is definitely the better choice there.
I have a beading thread question. I've been beading for several years and not had this problem. I've been making beaded lighter covers for the men in my family and using fire line.006 and reinforcing the ends to make it extra strong but the ends have been splitting anyway quite a bit and I've not had this happen before so do I need fireline .008 or something more flexible? Any ideas please help I have 4 to redo and 3 more to make. Thank you
It might be less about the thread and more about the stress that the lighter is under as opposed to the stress a piece of jewelry might take on. Depending on the size of beads you are using you could try a thicker thread like the .008 or you can look into using a more plastic like thread like a Monofilament (www.beadaholique.com/beadsmith-clear-illusion-monofilament-beading-cord-01-inch-150-ft.html). Alternatively you can use a beeswax or waxing thread conditioner (www.beadaholique.com/thread-heaven-thread-conditioner-for-beading-quilting-crafting.html)
Thank you this gives me something to try
Love your videos! Could you do a video on 3 strands bracelet with stretch cord !! Thanks for all the videos......
Nena Latre Thank you for the idea! I will add it to our request list. Happy Holidays!
Thank you. Please can you use cotton thread for loop beading?
You certainly could. Here is a link to our video on cords: beadaholique.com/products/overview-of-cords-and-ribbons-for-jewelry-making
how do you end the project? knotts? crimp beads?
+Laurie Urban If you are using these types of threads, you will want to knot them vs. crimp beads.
Are either the Fireline or Wildfire threads waterproof? I have sailing friends who wear their bracelets 24-7 including in the water...they break! :(
Both cords are waterproof and are actually made of the same material as fishing lines. Fireline is actually a brand of fishing line that started making thinner threads for jewelry making. Thanks for watching!
How do you know what size needle the fireline will use?
A size 12 beading needle works with most sizes of fireline. We do also sell some multi packs with various sizes.
beadaholique.com/search?type=product&q=Size+12+needle
Do you have a reciew for dandyline?
Thanks for watching! Unfortunately, we do not carry DandyLine.
I know this video is old but perhaps you still make responses. What is your opinion on using the crystal clear nylon monofilament for bracelets if you want to make the thread disappear? One problem is that you can't thread it. If you're lucky enough to get it threaded, then it shaves the nylon down as you pull the needle down to shorten the length. One beader uses it all the time on her videos but I don't know how she gets it threaded! It's not a big-eye needle. Thank you.
We use monofilament thread frequently for our designs and we think it's a great material. However, if we ever have trouble threading, we turn to the big eye needles. Thanks for watching!
What do you advise for bead stringing bracelets please
For stringing bracelets we normally use metal beading wire. This 19 strand 0.018 inch diameter wire is a good balance of strength and flexibility for bracelets: beadaholique.com/products/beadalon-beading-wire-gold-color-19-strand-018-inch-30-feet
Can I use Wildfire or Fireine for the warps in a 11" X 16" loom bead tapestry?
Both threads can be used in loom projects. Thanks for watching!
I heard both Fireline and Wildfire break down.
Great video. I am a beginner here in jewelry making. There are threads, cord and wires out there. I am confused a lot. Can you please suggest which thread or wire I can use for my acrylic beads or acrylic pearl beads in earrings, necklace, bracelet, rings. Which one would be better. Also can you please suggest the best quality thread or wire that can workout well with those acrylic beads. I know that with pearls I can use silk thread which goes very well with it. Apart from silk thread what other threads or wires can b used for acrylic beads. Thanks a ton
Hi Usha, there are a lot of things that go into picking the right thread or cord or wire. Here are a few things to keep in mind:
In general I'd say wire is used for heavier pieces. A long necklace with a focal piece of chunky gemstone beads cries out for wire.
For weaving beaded jewelry, when you have to weave multiple passes through a small bead we usually recommend Fireline thread. It's thin, strong, won't stretch out, and holds knots well. Fireline doesn't come in colors though, so it's best when you want the thread to disappear into the design. This crystal Fireline is a thread we've used in hundreds of projects: beadaholique.com/products/fireline-braided-beading-thread-4lb-test-and-0-005-thick-15-yards-crystal-clear
If instead you want the thread to be as a strong element in a design or you want to color match it to your beads, then nylon beading threads like NYMO come in a range of colors.
For projects with larger beads or decorative knots you'll want to use cord, which is generally thicker than thread. We use a lot of nylon cord in our braided kumihimo projects to show off the beautiful knotting underneath the beads. And like nylon thread it comes in a wide variety of colors.
If you're ever not sure what to use you can take a look at our collection of free beading projects. Find something with a similar size and structure to the piece you want to create and see what material we used beadaholique.com/collections/beading-projects
@@beadaholique thanks a lot.
I use fireline and I am frustrated with it. My bracelets are breaking about 4 days after use. I think that it does not handle heat so well. I live in Finland and once a week I go to sauna and I never remember to remove my bracelet. This is a huge problem! What should I do to get super long lasting power with my beading jewelry?
Hmm, it could be a number of things. You may need a thicker fireline if you are going to be wearing it in the sauna. In a sauna it is exposed to extreme heat and sweat which may be aging your jewelry faster. I recommend using a thicker fireline if your beads allow it, or using a thread conditioner before you begin beading. Also check the beads you are using, do they have a sharp edge that may be fraying the thread?
Ok, Thank you so much. I will check that thread conditioner. Also, I think that I will have to use stainless steel lobster clasps, so that the taking of the bracelet will be easier.
I watched another video on here and it said Fireline and Wildfire break down.
I would never consider even getting mine wet let alone sauna.
@@leilanilogan40 good for you
Isn't Fireline more like fishing line? Won't it eventually dry rot?
Fireline is a lot softer and more flexible than fishing line. I have never heard of it experiencing dry rot.
Is there a video on the turquoise bracelet? I love that one.
TheDepsey You can it here: www.beadaholique.com/t-ba-project-B631.aspx?CZcams&
The links for the projects and supplies in this video are located in the video description underneath this video.
Beadaholique
Thank you. :)
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What's the difference between this and fishing line?
Fireline and Wildfire threads are made of the same material as fishing line. The only difference is the thickness. These threads are made thin enough for jewelry making.
As another person posted below, I’m hoping you still monitor questions on here, and I’m actually asking for the same reason funnily enough, what to use for fringe/tassle earrings. I’m planning on doing some and I don’t want them to break, but I still obviously would like movement in them. The video here states that fireline/wildfire are nice and strong and won’t break and that nymo does fray, so why with something like tassle earrings would we use a thread that is likely to fray ? Especially with glass beads that will put even more pressure on the thread ? A serious question and I’ve not been able to find a reason, unless the Fireline is considered to be SO unbending that it ruins the effect ? Many thx for any replies :)
We do recommend using Nymo because it lays the best. However, try using a thread conditioner on the Nymo to help prevent fraying. www.beadaholique.com/beadsmith-beeswax-thread-strengthening-conditioner-for-beads-quilting-crafting.html
Yep. Fireline and wildfire tend to be too stiff for me. The nymo is less likely to fray in an earring as opposed to a bracelet that has friction all day.
Has anyone discovered a trick to keep Fireline (black or smoke) from bleeding onto your fingers? Do you think a very light coating of oil would work if you religiously wiped the excess off on a clean towel?
Not sure if you even need an answer to this anymore. Lol. Fireline smoke isn’t colorfast which is why it comes off. Wildfire’s colors are colorfast and they have a black and grey (among others) so that’s an option. Otherwise if you specifically want Fireline they have a black satin now that is colorfast. It’s a little more expensive though. Hope that helps.
This has never happened to me. Ever
Why shouldn't these threads be used for stringing projects with crimp beads and clasps? I did a lot of research before deciding to try Wildfire for my bead stringing projects. I've only just started using it, and after 6 pairs of earrings, 5 bracelets and a necklace, I'm getting the hang of it. Is there a beading wire overview video?
I have decided against it for earrings, after all. because of the long term wear and tear that will lead to stress on the weakest point - where the thread meets the metal. For bracelets and necklaces, using a beading needle, I pass thread through the strand of beads three times, keeping it snug, so the beads cannot jostle around and wear down the thread. I use two or three crimp beads and wire protectors to cap off the piece, weaving the thread around the wire protector 3 times as well. I hope with minimizing the bead movement and reinforcing the ends, this thread will hold up to wear and tear, because my pieces come with a lifetime guarantee.
***** Crimp beads can cut these threads and these threads can also easily slide out of crimp beads because they are so thin and pliable. Also, beading wire can hold more weight and put up with more strenuous wear then these threads. We don't currently have a beading wire overview video but it is a great idea and we will add it to our request list. Here is a video on how to use beading wire: www.beadaholique.com/t-video-How-To-Make-A-Party-Bead-Multi-Strand-Bracelet.aspx?CZcams&
***** Hi, every beader has a different way of doing things and we definitely encourage people to find their own method. If what you are doing works for you, then great! Please see our response above as to our reasoning behind not using crimp beads and these threads, I hope that helps.
i like how your using braided fishing line. try spiderwire lol
I have been using both in my bracelets,wildfire and fireline,and both failed on me.My bracelets broke shortly after wearing them just while going out.I even reinforced the bracelets by going 2 to 3 times over.Iused swarovski pearls and crystals.What could be causing this?
It may actually be your beads that are fraying the cord. Some beads do have sharp edges and this can cause fraying over time. You can also try using a thread conditioner or wax as you work. Helps protect the thread. Also, if the beads allow it, you may want to try a thicker wildfire/fireline.
Beadaholique Thank you
Anneliz Dinica the crystals could be cutting the thread. Hope it doesnt happen again, had the same issue with my thread to
Zero of mine have broken
Wild fire frays and hard to cut ad thread
Hi, I´m from Colombia and unfortunately here there isn't such a wide variety of threads, I wonder if anyone could send me these products in one delivery, since ebay, often must pay shipping for every single tem being very expensive
Bisuteria-Joyería We ship to Colombia and we stock everything you see in the video. Here's a link to our shipping FAQ if you have any further questions: www.beadaholique.com/t-shipping-faq.aspx
Bisuteria-Joyería in colombia you can buy any bonded nylon and work very well for bracelet even necklaces and earring project, Hilos buffalos for example.
Oh, yes, the wildfire can be pierced. It is superior to nymo in that its harder to do, but it is also easier to undo than nymo when you do.
Totally agree and that is a good point to mention - thanks!
I wish I had watched this before trying to do peyote stitch with Nymo. Does not work. :)
Thanks for sharing.
I've pierced through wildfire .006 thread many times.
YOU ARE JUST GREAT.. THANKS SO MUCH FOR THIS HELPFUL VIDEO............JK
You're welcome!
I tried something called beadalon; its great if you want to spend all day trying to thread a needle, with much swearing ensued.
Try Fireline. We have a lot of experience threading that, and while it can be temperamental now and then we've done thousands of projects with it in the past few years. If you do have trouble threading it try pinching the very end with a pair a pliers. That'll flattens it into a slight fan shape and makes it easier to slide through a needle. Here's the kind we use most these day: beadaholique.com/products/fireline-braided-beading-thread-4lb-test-and-0-005-thick-15-yards-crystal-clear
Thats fishing line lol
Jedhaase Yep! The original braided and fused Berkley Fireline works wonderfully as a beading thread. It holds knots well and won't stretch, unlike monofilament, and it doesn't fray on bead edges. The Beadsmith distributes the original formulation of Fireline in sizes that are suited for beading
The thead is plastic
Yes this style of beading thread is plastic. It's based on a kind of fishing line, because fishing and complicated bead stitches have similar needs. You want something thin, lightweight and strong, which won't stretch, and won't unravel if it's nicked.
Beadaholique o ok thank you for the info i just want make sure because i want some strong but not plstic
@@makeupbyesme4008 What are you trying to make? We sometimes use silk for stringing necklaces because it's super strong but we don't usually recommend it for bead weaving due to how expensive it is.