Orenda Iroquois at S&S Turbines 2
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- čas přidán 26. 03. 2011
- It's been more than ten years of negotiations, but it's finally back in Canada ... in our shop.
This is the engine thought by many not to exist at all.
Sent to Bristol Aerospace for disassembly in 1958, it was never put back together, and stored in a giant warehouse in the UK. It escaped destruction, and sat for decades until it was put in a shipping container and sent to S&S Turbines in Fort St John BC.
The long term plan is to restore it to running condition, but it's going to take a great deal of very difficult work to get there...
Here's video that describes the history of how this engine was obtained:
• The Lost AVRO Arrow Ir... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
My new favorite CZcams channel.Through your videos, I'm getting a glimpse of the work my dad did for the US Air Force 50+ years ago. Thanks so much for bringing us these great vids.
Nice one, looking forward to another report, on the proceedings. Great to see a another part of this great Canadian aviation mystery unfolding.
My new favorite channel! these engines are so amazing!
You guys are going to make it operational? I can’t wait to see it. My grandfather was a technician who worked on the Iroquois during its development.
@mikekrau The one in Ottawa is complete, but has never been run.
Ours is X-116, which was the last of the prototypes... the next ones were to be production units. X-116 has all the latest developments which were to be incorporated into the subsequent production run.
Get that engine running....each step brings us closer to bringing the Arrow back. Anyone stands in the way this time and it would go viral. Secrecy was all too easy back then....we need to build one original Arrow and let it fly. What happened was beyond a tragedy. There isn't a word for what happened.
Keep Working on it I'm Proud of You Guy's.
I love your videos! "If we can't find [the missing parts], we just might have to make them."
@faffaflunkie Turbine blades , from the very beginning, have been made of refractory, high-nickel alloys like inconel, although the alloys used now are much superior to inconel. The metal must not lose its strength or stiffnes at sustained temperatures of over 1000 deg F.
All the compressor blades in the Iroquois are made of titanium alloy, which is light and stiff, but would catch fire at 1000F
Badass project keep it up
No.
S&S Turbines is registering as an aircraft engine museum.
It's staying right here in the west.
Thank you for the video. I will be using it to make my 3D model.
What ever has t be done to get her working again it will be nice to see her at power again alive :)
Its a beast!
Hey John, thank you for all the informative video's , so much clever thinking goes into making those engines tick, I believe a lot of the magic is how the turbine blades are cooled, ie jet inpingment, external air from the turbine stage, internal cavities and holes (I believe this is referred to as film cooling), etc are the key to the immense power of these engines.. could you do a video on how these methods apply to say a j79 or a cf6? very cool stuff!!!
Bravo good to see someone is taking the time to bring back something from the Arrow program. I saw a Iroquois in the Ottawa museum, is that one complete. I read that they were over hauling it but don`t know if it was ever tested. Where did you find yours and does it have the most resent blades. i ask this because the earlier prototypes had minor vib. problems that a new set of blades was suppose to cure.
"50s music in the background"
- the man with class
@FrontSideBus That is a nearly completely built RR Spey. Its waiting tp have the LP tubine installed.
It is speculated that one prototype Arrow is still hidden in storage. Makes me think what else do they have in that warehouse?
Shame they canceled the program. Either way, it makes this engine all the more special.
I think there are three in Canada, and a museum in Oregon seems to have one. It sure looks like it, judging by their pictures.
Hey Jay! Just wondering if you could make an update video, curious to the current state of this project. :)
Awesome vid and project!! Iroqois, 30,000lbs of thrust with the buner lit...wow!! So what was the controversy with the Iroqois and Avro Arrow?? I will research it, but I figure you have the best info, better than Wikipedia haha.
Ever work on a GE F110? Ever run across any Russian turbine engines??
Keep up the awesome work!
Hey Jay I see Rob still has my sled on the wall..lol Rod Lewis
I was in Reno for the races in 2014, and I thought the Tigercat was even more impressive than one of my all time old timey favourites; the P-47. The other one I can't say, because I have never seen a real Mosquito all together.
Hello Mr. AgentJZ, greetings from Las Vegas NV. I have been watching your vids for some time and I wish you the best life has to offer. I have been interested in jet engines since I was a wee lad, my first contact with these wonderful machines occurred when I was in the U.S.Navy, stationed at San Diego and I found an aerospace museum in Balboa park. I got to see engines on display that showed the internal parts. Thanks to you, sir, my curiosity has been satisfied, as to what the purpose of all those pipes, tubes, ect. is for. It might interest you to know that I also worked with turbine driven machines; only my turbines were powered by steam. I know you get quite a rush standing next to 30,000 HP, well my rush was plowing through the water with 212,000 HP. Recently, I attempted to visit Planes of Fame air museum, sadly due to bad signage, I mistakenly went to the other air museum, but it was with great pride I was able to point out for my brother the parts of the J-79's they had in their bone yard. Sorry for the rambling, just want you to know that you are making an impact on a lot of people. Keep up the good work. Sincerely, LVSteve
And to really put it in perspective, the afterburners is if they were flat pieces of metal the Iroquois would be approx. 30" more metal.
Just out of curiosity what is that smaller engine shown to the left on the jack?
A retired colleague of mine found the Ottawa engine in a Hamilton scrapyard. I think that the charity donation receipt to the museum took care of his taxes for several years.
What is the thrust of the two engines.
In the quoted words of Crawford Gordon to the Orenda engine team referring to the Arrow, "I have a 42 inch diameter pipe. Think you can fill it?".
Will this be put
Into operational state ? Would love to see it run. I’ve been looking for videos on them testing this engine but I can’t find anything
Is there any update on Iroquois project? I hope it can run again! thanks
No work has been done on it since the last video it was featured in.
so with this one in your shop and one in the aviation museum in Ottawa, that makes only 2 in all of Canada..?
i would love to have that turbine wheel in my garage
don't let Diefenbaker catch you with that! ;)
Had no idea that someone was even re-building the Iroquois.
Let me know, where I can donate?
@102trafalgar We've got that book... it's pretty good.
So what's like..the point..of getting the Iroquois to run?
I mean does a commercial demand exist for a functional Iroquois? Seems like the engine is worth more to people from a historical perspective. Would adding aftermarket parts to the original engine diminish its historical value? Does the ability to run by itself increase the historical value? I mean..If you could get it up and running using nothing but OEM parts I would say go for it.
Whaddya mean what's the point?
An engine that runs is more valuable as a historic monument than one that doesn't... isn't it?
I guess that's more of a philosophical question I just asked.
If you gotta ask what the point is, then we aren't building it for you...
Of course we want to use original parts, and there is no such thing as aftermarket parts for an Orenda Iroquois.
What parts can't be located may have to be made.
No, there is no commercial value, which is why the project is going slowly.
+AgentJayZ Thanks for all the effort ... AND ... the videos!
Out west here we talk different from central Canadians. Just a little.
Are the turbine blades from that era all stainless steel?
sorry rob, i called you John.. my apologies.. !!! looking forward to see more
Why do you pronounce it ( ear-a-kwaa) ? In Minnesota we pronounce it ( ear-ah-coy) just curious.
Wow! That Iroquois is HUGE!!! Bigger than the Olympus... I can't wait to see it run! :-D
I thought the government destroyed all the Iroquois engines. Need to link this to the guys in Calgary making a 60% arrow
@honeybunchickens You can't have this one, but we've got others...
Give this enging to Jet aircraft museum!
I want to build a mini jet engine so bad.... Just don't have things like a computer programmable metal lathe and what not :( I made one from tin cans and a bike axle hub but it sorta blew up :) Oh well.......
@fatlady57 According to wiki, 20,000 lbs dry, 30,000 lbs with afterburner. Simply insane for late 50s standards.
@AgentJayZ search in google the link
( fran-swah) ? I'll be the first to admit my french is rather lousy though many people think the minnesotan dialect isn't all that far removed from our neighbors to the north. I was just really thinkin out loud too for conversations sake really. :)
@JMAM1992 goes nowhere...
Compare it to a Tumanski r15b from a Mig 25.
Never worked on one of those, so I can't.
@@AgentJayZ I hope you didn't think I was trying to be a smartass just curious and I figured if anyone on CZcams knew about them it would be you.
I try to stick to engines I have actually worked on. Sometimes I drift, but I keep trying.
@AgentJayZ MAN I'M STOKED!!! REALLY THE ORIGINAL Orenda Iroquois turbo jet engine!!!
i remember looking @ jet's and type of engines 13-14 years ago when i was really into modern military jets.
i'd like to hear it run dry and then wet. if possible please tell me how much thrust it had. MAN I"M STOKED. i did'nt follow thru my teenage dream. :( but man
please mail me when/ if your going to fire this up. fatlady57
Neither is correct, thank you.
... An american asking a canadian why he pronounces words differently?
I ask you sir: how do you pronounce the man's name if he spells it Francois ?
Just thinkin' out loud. Resting brain now.
Continue on as if normal...
lol ... lefevbre ... lol ... when you grabbed the iriquois did you forget that it was designed to fit a 50 inch holes in the arrow ... so it would be 48 inches and down to be able to mount on the slide rail for the arrow
and the j75 that was also flown in the arrow fit a 46 inch hole
Have you seen this? Interesting story about the Iroquois and also, the writer seems to own an Iroquois turbine blade!!! Could it possibly be the one missing from your engine? flickr.com/photos/78215847@N00/4515918663/