People Moving Perfection? | 2021 Honda Odyssey
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- čas přidán 24. 09. 2020
- Honda's Odyssey has knocked Chrysler off the top-minivan sales charts recently, but the minivan wars seem to be heating up with an all-new Toyota Sienna due shortly, AWD minivans from Chrysler and a more "crossover" like minivan coming from Kia. Where does that put the Odyssey? Let's find out.
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That Venn diagram was the highlight of the video. Well done Alex!
instaBlaster.
the V6s in these Odysseys sound waaaay better than they have any right to
LOL I like how Alex is in the middle of the practical vs sexy diagram 😂
Me: Nice a vacuum inside the car
Alex: think i will cut my hair here
Honda: 😮
Dream van: Honda Odyssey with the new 3.0L TT V6 from Acura TLX, with SH-AWD. Call it the “Odyssey Si”.
Sounds like a project for bisimoto
You tease
Single turbo*** at least in the new TLX
Or better yet, upgrade and turbocharged the V6, put a wing in the back, stiff the suspension, put red accents. And boom, the Odyssey Type-R
That diagram was hilarious. Love seeing your personality come out in the videos; it’s the only thing I’ve ever felt you could improve on. Great video!
Awesome review 👍 again Alex.
I've watched a lot of videos and yours has to be the best. Really comprehensive and thoughtful. Keep up the good work.
Boy am I glad I went with the 2016 model, saved a ton of money and have almost all the same features. Great review, very thorough!
Pandemic flowbee haircut! Loved that Alex.
Looking forward to your 2021 Sienna review
I work for Honda and I get to drive the new Odyssey all the time as a demo Car and I genuinely enjoy driving it and also that thing has so much power I don’t know why they put that much in a minivan
Put 7 passengers + cargo in it then see how it drives.
@@James-il3tq exactly lol
@@James-il3tq drives like a pig lol, I have a 2006 touring
Interesting. I have driven my mothers 2012 Odyssey, its a turtle. Slow as molasses. I hate driving it. You have to nearly floor it to get it on the highway.
@@andybub45 drive the newer ones from 2019 onwards. It has too much power 😂
Awesome review as always! The Odyssey is a great all around cruiser.
Rented a Kia Sedona in the winter, and it rides just like a rental vehicle, really harsh ride (almost equivalent to my 15-year-old daily driver with worn struts), have sat in multiple 3rd gen Sienna from co-workers, and sat in the Odyssey once during a Honda servicing shuttle, I was surprised that the Odyssey rides twice as well as both the Sedona and Sienna in the second-row seats, I don't think they are comparable as if they aren't in the same segment, honestly the odyssey 2nd-row seats rides like a Lexus for some reason. People should really bring their family with them while test driving.
Invincibie agreed. I had a 2017 Sedona, owned it for half year and sold it. Harsh ride, terrible seats, what a pain.
@@TimothyPengofLansing one thing it stood out was fuel capacity, if I recall correctly, one tank of fuel could last almost 600km lol, which is pretty awesome for a minivan I presume. But overall, it rides and drives just like a rental vehicle, nothing much. really underwhelming/unimpressive :shrug:, I don't think I'll ever own/recommend a Kia after renting one...
But you said you rented it lol.
@@kromahj Had to rent a 7-seat vehicle when visiting family on the east coast, they only had a few options like Kia Sedona & Dodge Journey. Ended up renting a 2019/2020 Kia Sedona in January 2020, it had around 200km in the odometer, so basically, a new vehicle, unless its a lemon which I doubt it is, that's my experience for driving it for a week. It's overall a very ordinary minivan, might as well spend 3-5k CAD to buy a used Sienna/Odyssey, there aren't huge differences. Sedona definitely isn't worth 32-40k or whatever the MSRP is as a new 2020 vehicle, it just feels meh in general.
@@kpokfposkf maybe the upcoming kia sedonna/carnival will change how you look at kia minivan. (i would love to test drive it when it released here in canada) i drove sedona for 1week and caravan for 2weeks this summer. i would prefer sedona over caravan as the caravan is somewhat noisy and struggling going uphill in the road of BC canada. but yeah not even close to driving the odyssey in comparison, its like day and night.
My dream minivan! Awesome video Alex.
It's pretty silly how Honda has been selling an AWD Odyssey in Japan for two decades now, yet the American version is still FWD only.
I could be mistaken as it’s been a while since I lived there, but don’t believe this US Odyssey is available in Japan in any form. It’s just too wide for most of their roadways, so most MPV and vans they sell there are much narrower/smaller.
It seems weird since that addition could eat into Sienna sales. The Sienna is an outdated vehicle, but the AWD makes the sale for a ton of people.
WhatItIs very good point. Only thing the sienna really has on the odyssey is the awd availability. Seems strange Honda wouldn’t try it. Then again this is the company that refuses to put pano roofs or 360 cams on their suv’s when every competitor does, so I guess they’re just stubborn.
WhatItIs I’d love to see one, but maybe would impact their CAFE numbers to have a mechanical AWD system. Hopefully in a redesign we’ll see something like Toyota.
Still has my 2002 odyssey. Only 120k miles. The transmission is slipping. Rarely drive it since work from home so my wife will use my accord. I still keep it because of the removable second seat, no center console ( more space for longer wood). The 4x8 flat is great. None new minivan will have this.
I love the Venn diagram, sprinkling in some humor is always great
Another excellent review Alex, thank you!! As an owner of a 2018 Sedona SXL my wife and I felt it was the best overall option and still do. We love the stow-n-go feature that only Chrysler offers but what Alex does not mention is that the 2nd row seats are far less comfortable as they are thinner in order to fit into the floor. Plus Chrysler is not very reliable and we plan to keep our van 10+ years. We purchased our Sedona, again the top trim level, out the door for $35,000 brand new. The Odyssey and Sienna are not worth another $10,000 imo. I'm curious to see what the 2022 Sedona will be like and I hope Kia offers AWD.
And definitely AoA merch is on the sexy side lol
The intro music is so epic now!
The Pacifica looks nice but if we’re being serious no one who’s even remotely concerned with reliability would go for it over the Odyssey.
But you could get a Pacifica just as loaded with a 10 year, 200,000km extended warranty for the price of the Odyssey (after rebates). And they both use the same transmission, but you're right, everything else will go in the Pacifica first. If the new all hybrid Sienna had stow and go, that would be my choice.
@@CsalbertCs they don't use the same transmission
Recent surveys have shown Honda’s are not as reliable as ppl perceive. I had a 2014 and it had its fair share of issues. My 2017 Pacifica had a lot of recalls initially - probably bc it’s a first model yr. my 2020 Pacifica has been much better so far.
wasabi9111 I know that 9 speed trans Honda used had issues which is why they switched to the 10 speed.
@@caglioso my 2014 odyssey had a 6 speed transmission and it was the worst transmission of any car I’ve had. The 9 speed in my Pacifica is good 95% of the time - not perfect. I had expected it to be horrible based on all the bad reviews.
I love the new headlight technology that is so bright. You mentioned the incandescent turn signals and fog lamps as a detriment; I see them as cheaper bulbs.
so bright que ca aveugle tout le monde , je ne vois pas cela comme sécuritaire .
Minivan duel. Very exciting and nerdy at the same time. I can't wait for the battle of the minivans. I like the Chrysler Pacifica Pinnacle Plug-in Hybrid at this time- KING of HILL!!!
Lovin’ the Trunk Comfort Index.
Awesome review, as always. Please bring us the 2021 Sienna as soon as it's out!! My family needs a van, but I won't budge until giving the new Sienna a shot
Great video as always. 4:27 very diplomatic criticism, quite tactfully put. Why make enemies if you can avoid it? I am quite impressed.
I just picked up my 2018 Elite. 38k miles for 32,998. I cannot wait to get out on the road and experience this vehicle. During my test drive I put it in S mode and got some tire screech on my launch lol. Vtech!
I had a minivan when the kids were little. Was the best. Those days are over.
Would be nice black roof with that grey and blacked out front chrome like I did to my Ridgeline pickup truck with vinyl wrap and panoramic sunroof like Pacifica would be great, as well as more leather and leatherette seat options for all Honda Acuras period
These new mini vans aint my mommas Windstar that's for sure!
I drove one when I was 30 for work (needed the storage space). That thing sure had plush seats! And shockingly (sarcasm) engine AND transmission blew up same year 🤯 😂
Or mercury villager lol. Used to ride in one
Love the venn diagram.
I'm glad these still do well. If you have kids, there is absolutely no better choice than a minivan. The trend towards crossovers, to avoid the "mom" stigma of minivans, is ironic since midsized crossovers are equally lame, but not as practical.
agreed!
Just bought a used 2018 EX-L, but it's slightly smaller interior-wise than my 2008 Odyssey. I kind of regret buying it but I love the looks inside and out though.
I'm very interested in a Honda Odyssey, not quite as new as this '21, but maybe a '19 in EX-L. I'm disabled and currently have a 2005 Dodge Caravan with 165K miles. I really like the design on the Odyssey, with built-in Honda reliability. I think either the 9 speed ZF or Honda's 10 speed will be a big improvement over my old 4 speed and 20 MPG.
Honda new to up their game for hybrid, I have a 2006 Touring, will be looking for a replacement in couple years, chances are I may get a Sienna hybrid, can't beat that MPG when all we do is doing local trip for kids...
Off topic to the video but what’s your thought in adding aftermarket blind spot monitoring, parking sensors and power lift gate to an older Acura RDX that didn’t have those features as options at the time.
This is a great value for money car, practically an all rounder for families!
29:41 Pandemic Flowbee Haircut hahaha! I used the Flowbee in college (no money, no friends who can cut my hair) until the spacers fell off and ripped off a chunk of my hair.
Only watching Alex on Autos, would one know that 3 3rd row is not real leather like the rest of the cabin. The new Sienna will have a power tilt telescopic memory linked steering wheel, which is a segment first, which is a very nice feature if you have a partner that also drives that is much different in height. You cannot imagine how wonderful it is to have a powered steering wheel until you own a vehicle that has this. Me, I will never again buy a vehicle without this, because in my opinion, this is the one single feature that defines what a luxury vehicle is.
Will you be reviewing the 2021 Kia Sedona, and can you tell us the difference between the 2021 Sedona vs the rumoured 2022 Kia Sedona Carnival? Many thanks!!
Alex can the mid row seat carriers be removed, or is that more of a dealer has to do it from under the vehicle?
Flowbee haircut. 🤣🤣🤣 Blast from the past. 👍
Thanks Again
3:36 no mention that they added low speed follow? That’s a huge difference.
I'm so waiting for Alex's review of the 2022 Kia Sedona
i see contractors with old sienna minivans loading up on sheetrock and 4x8 boards home depot and i think, thats not bad maybe i should get one of those instead of a pickup truck,
Alex, how does the 10spd in this Honda Odyssey compare to the 10 spd in the TLX?
I've owned my KIA Sedona LX for over 3000 miles and I'm very pleased so far. I can imagine the Sedona and Odyssey offer way more luxury but not necessarily more practicality or comfort. Of course I'm bias but for example, if you just had a baby in your life you will quickly realize that nothing is more useful than a minivan (any model). On all crossovers and most SUVs you will still have to move the front seats to adjust the baby chair on the second row and when you move the baby in and out you will very likely bump your head (or the baby's) on the door frame. Baby strollers are becoming bigger and bigger and even folded they would hardly fit on anything other than a minivan.
How many times do you really need to remove all the seats of the van to take cargo? Scores for 0-60 times are not that important. Fuel economy scores are very similar.
I found the Sedona the most affordable. After seeing how many more features Honda and Toyota offer I can see why they cost so much more. Test drive all models but I suggest stick to the bare essential features you really need.
Also, kids have now their own phones and tablets and I find it hard seeing them agree to watch the same thing. And who still buys bluerays discs anymore?
I really like that all of these vans offer a V6. The power and sound of firing a V6 in the morning never gets old. And Android Auto is very practical for navigation, audio and voice commands. Please don't compare which one offers a vacuum or not. Rather consider a minivan as a commodity and settle for the most featurues with the most affordable price. And it sounds that even Chrysler is becoming a little more reliable.
Just my opinion...
Sedona pricing is very good. But Honda has the X factor and feels almost like a luxury car. Especially the higher trims like EXL and touring. 🎉
I can’t trust any Chrysler product. It may blow up any second. 😅
@11:14 Is that "Flobee haircut" gizmo still being sold?! Since I'm pushing 70 (years old) and the kids have moved far away, no longer need the moving capacity of a van. We do often rent vans when we fly to visit the kids/grandkids--that Honda Odyssey is a nice one.
It's a bit frustrating that after so many years, they still can't make the seats fold into the floor like the Chrysler Town Country, Pacifica, and Dodge Caravan. I know they're not as good a minivan overall as the Odyssey, but it's such a handy feature to have.
Chrysler has a patent on that, do research.
Alex, thanks for the great video again!
May I ask your opinion whether Honda will gradually phase out 3.5NA by 2.0T?
Ziyang Taoen if that happens then it’s over for odyssey reliability
naveenthemachine I’d say reliability is ok. Turbo engines nowadays are getting much better than they were 10 years ago. So many techniques/materials improvements.
Ziyang Taoen yeah but it still has more complexity than a N.A. engine. It has gotten better over the years but no matter how its sliced a turbo will wear out faster than any naturally aspirated engine
It’s taken Alex two centuries worth of content to incorporate humor. Now that he has, boy is it funny.
the van looks on lower spring. With the huge wheel and low profile tire, it looks like a sportsvan
A minivan is about as close as you can come to the ideal family Utility Vehicle (no Sport tho... even tho my first minivan was a pontiac transport and my current sienna with the 3.5L is comparatively peppy).
Elite and touring should have 360 birds eye view camera system
Larger rear entertainment screen
And awd
Pacifica is better equipped for the same money
Pacifica will fall apart in 6/8 years - even with regular basic maintenance whereas the Honda will take 12/15 to really start having issues ( without basic maintenance )
Pacifica have notoriously bad engines. If you want to throw away money buy a Chrysler Pacifica. Look at Kia's, Toyota's and Honda's if you want a good engine.
@@rv2167 one of the reason why I got a Pacifica instead of another odyssey.
@@adriandenson8855 I call BS on Honda reliability. Its crap, I own 2015 EX-L
Honda Odyssey, Toyota Sienna, Kia Sedona, Hyundai Custo, Nissan Quest etc. are badge engineered versions of each other with different surface metal and hood ornaments. Same thing for their suvs and cars. It's the big lie.
The Odyssey and Pacifica used to share a transmission, and as a Pacifica owner, I can attest to some of the sometimes clunky shifts. It's weird.
From 2020 not anymore
I'm 23 years old and I'm really considering a minivan as my second car, is so comfortable and the pacifica hybrid is a good option
Noooo please
Minivans are indeed very comfortable and practical but the Pacifica is not a good choice because it's a Chrysler and you know how their reliability is...
I say no because of the minivan but I would totally skip the odyssey. Get the pacifica instead, it would be a less boring, boring vehicle
Check out the 2021 Kia Sedona, it's a great addition to the minivan line up and looks very different compared to the others.
@@edwinalfredo310 LOL you think people who buy minivans care about the fun-to-drive factor? They have kids to take care of and just need practical and RELIABLE transportation.
So I am one of those rare breed of car enthusiast who does not care for looks, I care about practicality. I enjoy minivans, they are quite comfortable and spacious. I love Honda Odyssey's, and love how you can slide the middle row or take them out if need to. But I think Toyota is going to be the better seller. Seeing that all new Sienna's, regardless of trim, will be hybrids. Hybrids are becoming more and more popular and when this means less stopping at gas stations and saving money, it's a no brainier.
Very cool.
PANDEMIC FLOWBIE HAIRCUTS. THATS AWESOME. I TOTALLY REMEMBER THAT FROM THE 80’s
I like the Odyssey, but that instrument panel is not to my tastes.
It's all nice and good. But the main question is did Honda fix the transmission issues in this generation?
This is the channel if you want to know about a new car's lights. As we've known for years lighting is the key to sales. NVH, styling, comfort, high level of standard features mean nothing. It's all about amber led lighting, nothing else will do.
I think minivans should bring back the 3 row opening vent style window. Not only to allow for more ventilation throughout the cabin, but also to allow for pressure relief in order to avoid windtunnel destabilization when only one other window is open.
I think the pop-out 3rd row windows went away when they all went to 'hidden' sliding door tracks. Those tracks are much closer to the vehicle and an open pop-out window could be destroyed as the slider opened.
tjs114 The second generation Toyota Sienna (2004-2010) had them with the track hidden under the window. Also, a relative of mine has a 2018 Toyota sienna and it has manual pop out windows with the sliding track integrated underneath. Chrysler town and country/Dodge grand Caravan from the early 2000s have the track integrated with a pop out window also. So, it’s not impossible, I believe it has to do with people just not using them anymore, so why put the research and development into building it into the vehicle when not a lot of people are going to use it.
@@Shorts5683 makes sense, but I'd like to see those types of windows make a resurgence in all vehicles. Everything from minivans to Mustangs could benefit like you said with the reduction in buffeting. I could have sworn my dad's e46 M3 had such electric actuators, are they still around in such applications I wonder?
What's the best minivan for carrying cargo 70% of the time and people 30% of the time?
It's great but if AWD was an option, then it would be perfect. 👍
This is coming from an Odyssey owner for the record.
Since the 2022 Sedona is coming up, any word on whether that will bring a removable 2nd row back to the Sedona nameplate?
Doubt it. The current model doesn’t have it and the Korean videos of the redesign doesn’t seem to have removable seats either.
I like the mini vans, even as a single guy I am in the market for one because I am a little larger. And like the space for Costco trips etc... However I’ve always thought the odyssey looks like a hearse.
"Top ranked minivan in the US..." - Marty Byrd
I did laugh when Marty said that since I have one.
It’s funny that you mention the Pacifica being more car seat friendly than the odyssey… the Pacifica is actually really problematic for actually installing car seats correctly because of headrest interference. The headrests can’t be removed (per the manual) and cause serious fit issues with a lot of forward facing car seats and boosters! Also it’s not great for fitting more than two car seats in the back because of rear anchor positions.
Where the odyssey can fit car seats in all 6 rear passenger positions. And if used as a 7 seater the benefit of a car seat friendly tilt is moot because of the magic slide seats.
The question for the 2021 Sienna will be whether the hybrid battery and e4WD will eat into the cargo and/or interior volume.
Doubt it. Toyota did an excellent job in new RAV4 and Hylander hybrids battery packaging 👍
Yep. I didn't buy a Honda minivan because I needed all wheel drive.
People fail to understand a $2 incandescent bulb used for turn signals or brakes Vs a $45 LED special order bulbs if it dies on road, which will make driving illegal immediately as soon as it fails and of course dangerous. So I support incandescent turning or brake bulbs compared to a high tech LED and it is DIY too so easy to change.
We recently shopped for a minivan. My wife would not consider the Odyssey because she said the rear profile looks like a hearse. :-)
I like your reviews, but in the past couple of reviews you don’t even talk about the back up camera.
Alex you made a mistake. You said the odyssey is shorter than the Pacifica but the diagram indicate it’s longer.
I searched Honda site, and found that the 2020 version is 203.2 long, while the 2021 is 205.2, so the diagram is correct, but Alex made a mistake saying that Odyssey is shorter.
I read that the Kia Carnival (Sedona) in some markets will have seating for up to 11. I can’t find any info stating that it will be available in the US in this configuration. Have you heard anything?
I was told “never in a million years” by Kia...
Alex on Autos thanks Alex. I knew you would know.
2004 bought sienna 36k out the door, 2010 sold to carmax 29k but only has 30k miles.
You need to learn how those middle seat belts work. They are not designed to be put fully put away by kids. When in use the seat belts connect to the seat in two places and one of them is only meant to be disconnected by adults as you need to use the hidden key in the remote to disconnect that side.
I never considered this van since 2011 for two reasons: the side styling gives impression the van is broken and the back of it is about to fall off and not being able to swing open the rear windows like in every other minivan.
Why doesn’t Honda have the second row fold to the floor like the pacifica?
Alex, which of those minivans has the most luxurious ride?
I want to know too... luxurious and QUIET ride. My leased 2014 odyssey was so loud on the hwy that long road trips were tiresome. My leased 2017 and 2020 Pacifica are so much more quiet which makes long road trip much more bearable.
I test drove one and I did not like the ACC with LSF. It brakes very abruptly an does not seem very polished like Subaru or TSS 2.0. Have you tested the driver assistance suite of Honda in this Van Alex ?
Also noticed that no lane keep and lame centering? I'd expect it at least as an option.
TSS or tss 2.0 is much better with adaptive cruise control. It brakes smoothly and it keeps a good distance behind the car in front of me
@@James-il3tq Honda does have lane centering although they do not call it that. It does not ping pong if that is what you mean. However, overall it still needs some work to polish it off.
Alex, I know the (new) 2021 Sienna (hybrid) should be heavier than a FWD Highlander Hybrid but shouldn't the better aerodynamics result in equal if not better Mileage ???
dan huie no. The Sienna is pulling more weight. It’ll be less efficient than the Highlander hybrid
Will the 2021 Sienna retain the removable 2nd row for cheaper trims? If not, then that will be such a dealbreaker
[Blank] no. The second row seats in all trims are not removable
Lmfao, I couldn’t care less about minivans but I do enjoy Alex vacuuming his hair.
Trunk Comfort Index is back! Woohoo!
What the heck kind of school supplies are you buying that are 4X8?
You say it's shorter than the Pacifica but the graph shows it as longer than the Pacifica.
didn't think your first sentence in this video would contain the word "sexy" but I guess I should've known
Honda really needs to figure out something more visually appealing with the rear 3rd of the vehicle. The zig-zag window line and now the “floating roof” is too much. Ended up going with the Pacifica because of that, and the interior design.
Totally agree. It’s hard to think of purchasing one and ignoring that rear 1/3rd. I went with a Toyota Sienna. It’s not perfect but I have no regrets so far after driving 17,000 miles and a trip from Oklahoma to California and back to Oklahoma. We were all comfortable.
I want one, but I’m scared if these transmissions.
This thing with AWD would significantly cut down on sales of Subarus
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How is the reliability?
To say Alex changed the intro is really taking some liberties when it comes to the word change. It's fine
I am a 2015 odyssey owner. A hybrid odyssey would be perfect
Minivans are awesome.
Paddle shifters on a Minivan🤯
If you buy one of these vans, make sure you buy two or three extra transmissions, you'll need 'em.
10 speed is different
I bought a new 2018 Odyssey and within 6 months we traded it in. It felt
Chintzy and not solid. It didn’t think it would last long term.
Also the infotainment system was distracting and dangerous to change things up. Wife hated it.