He Said You Can't 3D Print a Band Saw... I Said Hold My Beer
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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2024
- I have no doubt that a band saw can be made with 3d printed parts - all it would take is the right amount of testing and trial and error to determine how strong the parts need to be.
Of course it couldn't entirely made from 3d printed parts, but then a wooden band saw isn't 100% wood either. You would add metal where you need more concentrated strength, like screws, shafts, bolts and bearings. But I firmly believe everything else could be printed while you kick back munching Cheetos and watching CZcams, while not potentially cutting your fingers off on the table saw you don't know how to use safely.
And like I said in the video, you don't have to throw away a full day plus expensive paint to finish the parts. So I think that printing the parts (or even paying to have them printed from a stronger plastic) would be fairly economical.
For example, the table I printed used less than a full spool of filament, or roughly $25. The plywood I used to make the original costs MORE than that today! If you can get it, that is. And then you need to machine it and finish it and hope you don't make any mistakes.
So yeah, this may seem like a novelty project, but it is definitely not that.
Remember, guys were saying you CAN'T build a wooden band saw not that long ago. Never say never - you are betting against human ingenuity.
Watch the original build video I made for the band saw here:
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I have no doubt that a band saw can be made with 3d printed parts - all it would take is the right amount of testing and trial and error to determine how strong the parts need to be.
Of course it couldn't entirely made from 3d printed parts, but then a wooden band saw isn't 100% wood either. You would add metal where you need more concentrated strength, like screws, shafts, bolts and bearings. But I firmly believe everything else could be printed while you kick back munching Cheetos and watching CZcams, while not potentially cutting your fingers off on the table saw you don't know how to use safely.
And like I said in the video, you don't have to throw away a full day plus expensive paint to finish the parts. So I think that printing the parts (or even paying to have them printed from a stronger plastic) would be fairly economical.
For example, the table I printed used less than a full spool of filament, or roughly $25. The plywood I used to make the original costs MORE than that today! If you can get it, that is. And then you need to machine it and finish it and hope you don't make any mistakes.
So yeah, this may seem like a novelty project, but it is definitely not that.
Remember, guys were saying you CAN'T build a wooden band saw not that long ago. Never say never - you are betting against human ingenuity.
Watch the original build video I made for the band saw here:
czcams.com/video/-hVw8mpt9N0/video.html
Just curious, the original plywood table top looked adequate. We're there any problems that you had that caused you to redo it on the 3d printer ?
With carbon fiber filled nylon, you can produce some pretty strong parts.
PLA is fun but it doesn't like heat.
Nylon is awesome but trying to print it and having it not to warp on the bed is a challenge.
@@joelex7966 What i did get from the start of the video was that this was just a challenge or like a proof of concept. :D
@@pridler85 could be, my feeling is that he was better off with the one piece plywood top provided there were no other problems. Good video though.
For larger pieces that give the bandsaw its upright rigidity, is there some printing material that won't flex? This would be my primary concern with a 3d printed project like this. The rigidity of plywood, especially half inch ply, would be hard to match when making larger pieces. I would imagine scaling this down to a smaller bandsaw would absolutely be possible. Making a carbon copy of your original build however, i can see why Matthias was skeptical.
I think you should build a 3d printed pantorouter to really drive the point home
Oooooooo
Hilarious. 😆
This is amazing. Yes!
to drive the point home 3d print a hammer
THIS. Is a great idea!
We're here to watch you build, it doesnt matter the medium.
While I agree, its a lot more interesting watching someone create with wood than a printer, printing parts.
I dunno.. If he switched to scrapbooking, I might bail... it depends, he's good at making videos, so it might be okay.
Im here wood working, metal working AND 3d printing. They're all viable tools/methods in the right situation
I think you should measure where the blade goes in the insert, and add a slot in it in cad so it actually has perimeters there, because otherwise it's sitting on infill.
probably to be better and easier the just do solid infill in that area then to rely on that slot being correct with zero warping
@@WilliamTythas I would say the whole build should have been solid infill, or at least very close to it. Why make the parts weak? This is a power tool. Spend the little bit of extra time and money to make solid parts. But maybe I'm missing something since I don't own a 3D printer and I only see infill as a way to save money. But maybe there's a legitimate reason to have lower than 100% infill.
@@SuperDavidEF I think the returns begin to diminish exponentially the closer you get to 100%. I watched a few videos on strongest infills, and while you do get greater strength the closer to 100 you get, it isn't a substantial difference. I personally would use a 90% infill, and I would probably increase my wall and top/bottom thicknesses, and would add thick walls near where the blade penetrates the insert. I would also through-bolt every mechanical connection. Threaded inserts seem like they could pull out about as easy as tapped screws. And I would glue everything that didn't need to come apart. I would also use better joinery than dowels. Perhaps a dovetail or tongue and groove. And PLA is fine, but it won't hold up to light, chemicals, or time. Although, it may be the strongest of the printable filaments on average. Maybe, considering he is using a Bambu printer, he could incorporate multiple materials. PLA+ for the infill, carbon fiber of vinyl for the skins.
@@SuperDavidEF Yeah, he didn't say how long it took for those parts to print out. You'll never see a real speed part print on YT because it takes forever.
The insert can be a solid block of UHMWPE that you machine to the right size with sliding dovetails. It doesn't have to be printed.
“The Bandsaw of Theseus is an artifact in the museum. Over time, its planks of wood rot and are replaced with new planks. When no original plank remains, is it still the Bandsaw of Theseus?”
Yes! Make more videos replacing different parts. I found your commentary on building large pieces using dowels and also your commentary on the failures very helpful Keep up the great work!
I subscribed to watch you solve problems and see what new and interesting ideas you come up with.
It just so happened that at the time, you were mainly working with wood.
I don't think most of us watch solely for woodworking. There are plenty of people who make woodworking videos that I can't enjoy. It's the mechanical side of our brains you've found a tap into and that's why we watch your videos.
Well... for me at least.
And honestly its kind of fresh feeling to see this new tool being used. The 3d printer.
Keep em coming!
As a maker, you should certainly go ahead and make the rest as a test from the 3d printer. Just to see if possible.
John, I love your journey. It reminds me of the journey I went through on my CNC machine using 3d printing.
A few suggestions I see as someone who does a lot of functional 3d printing parts.
-Add more walls on structural parts. It might seem overkill, but it REALLY helps with plastic deformation over summers and under tension. I also advise exploring gyroid infill, it seems to have great strength in all directions.
-for you table. You might consider through-rods with thin 1/4” threaded rod or something to help just keep the table from stressing their joints/joins too much where it counts. Especially since there will be weight on it.
-for your PETG pins, orientation is everything. Avoid stressing along the layer lines as much as possible for structural prints, even if parts come out less pretty and need some sanding/torch finishing
-don’t be afraid of adding extra top/bottom layers also. It eats more plastic, but it gets you more life from your plastic IMO.
LOVE THE CONTENT !!
Great info
You've actually tapped into something very exciting here John. There are plenty of people out there doing accessories and custom parts for tools on their 3d printer, but nobody is doing real, substantial tools, except actual printers which are at least 50% hardware.
Very much this. I've been looking around trying to find a 3d printed screw box for making threads in dowels. It doesn't exist. 3d printing has excellent potential to be a tool for outfitting a woodworking shop on the cheap, but it isn't being done because it's not traditional and the non-traditionalists have so much money that they don't even blink at dropping a grand on a commercial product over what would be a $10 project with a 3d printer. I bet you could even make a nice surface planer with just $50 in cheap surface plates, $30 in planer knives, and $20 in filament; just adjust the gearing ratios so that it takes more passes per mm of feed to compensate for the lower rigidity.
Check out Marius Hornberger, he just dropped a masterpiece video building an oscillating spindle sander, using a lot of printed parts. He printed a cycloidal gear reduction transmission which is just insane. Granted, he used MJF Nylon parts from a high end print shop, but you can definitely print glass filled nylon parts if you have a Bambu.
@@coolbugfacts1234 Problem is exactly those MJF Nylon parts, they are MUCH, MUCH stronger than anything that can be printed at home. Extruded nylon is weak and undergoes plastic deformation at low temperatures, so that gearbox would get destroyed in short order. Its why 3d printers themselves are still like 85% off-the-shelf metal parts -- extruded plastic is much more limited in what it can do with friction and load.
I question heat transfer from the blade guides melting the plastic.
I vote for more 3D printed stuff. I think the troubleshooting you’re doing with it is invaluable and 3D printing stuff in general can probably help woodworkers a lot
I have never built a darn thing that you have produced BUT I can't stop watching you create and work. You could make stuff from play-do and I would watch. You keep being you and I will continue to watch anything you create
As a woodworker and as a hobby 3D printer, I appreciate these videos very much. Nice to see someone with experience in the profession testing the limits of 3d printing. and it gives me a lot of ideas.
Any content you produce is both entertaining and informative so please keep them coming. I am liking the 3D printing videos as much as I do your woodworking so for me it doesn't matter and you are clearly having fun with the 3D printer so keep doing what makes you happy.
I would love to see a fully 3d printed tool series. You could also share the files and make it open source and watch it turn into a 3d printed tool revolution.
Absolutely, I would even be willing to pay 5 bucks for all the files and instructions.
I'm here for any content you're wanting to provide. Love the design and iteration process.
Please John keep showing us all the things you are creating with 3D printing!!!! I just finished watching Marius sander... another amazing build!!! Cheers!!!!
Marius' epic vid is a masterpiece in many ways. I think the big takeaway I got was to use 3D printing at home to perfect the part's design but then sub out to a nylon 3D print house for the durable final solution.
A 3D printed pantorouter though - that would be nice to see....
Such a clever man. I could watch him build anything. Thank you John.
I’m here for all of it. I’m more interested in the novel and nuanced approaches taken to solve a “problem” than the medium in which it’s done. Keep the goodness coming but don’t ditch any particular method.
The printing is good content. I like John's calm voice and mellow relaxed demeanor.
I think the 3d printing content is fascinating. Maybe have a video every now and then to share more details on lessons learned. I don’t have a 3d printer but seeing how you and others use theirs is making me think that I should dive in.
glad to see FreeCAD getting some love!
I've watched your content more or less since you started. I watch it primarily for the no-nonsense approach and your design ideas.
This build. Making a bandsaw from mixed media, is something I'd buy the plans for happily. I'm happy to add a table out of wood, for example, while having the printer do the more involved pieces while I take care of other things.
I'm just happy you and mattias talk!
Very helpful step forward in both 3D printing and bandsaw building. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum last week 😎
Holy cow, I'm impressed!! I have enjoyed watching your videos for a long time; however, this one blows the lid off!
You amaze me with not only your knowledge of what you want to do, but also the tenacity you apply to making things better, better, better.
So, continue pressing forward, John!
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Absolutely, please keep going with the 3D printing stuff! I love seeing innovative ways to use the 3D printer in the shop, and am always looking for more ways to implement things like that myself. I love any sort of 'cross-discipline' making/projects.
I subscribed because your approach to problem solving is great and I enjoy your perspective on pretty much anything you do.
Please keep going. I think as a woodworker, it's the process and the enjoyment of working with a material. That's why 3d printing appeals to us. This was a great video.
I love watching you evolve with new ideas how combine wood and 3D print.
I've been looking to buy new guides for my 30 year old bandsaw and it never occurred to me to just print them. Thanks, I think you've just inspired me to print my own set.
I think this was a great challenge and glad you jumped at it. I think the benefit of 3d printing in a maker space is not to see if we can replace our tools with it, but rather complement them. I’d love to see you make more tools with wood and use the 3d printed parts to solve certain areas where you feel it makes more sense. Off hand, I think it’s a great tool for those moments where you cut small pieces and glue them together and the wood seems a little overkill or cumbersome. Looking forward to seeing more of how you use your printer!
I really like the idea of incorporating 3d printing into woodworking. Would love to see more stuff like this. As someone who doesn't have access to a shop, but does have access to a 3d printer it's nice to see more content coming up so I can learn and try things.
You can literally do whatever you want. I am in awe at your abilities and mastery of whatever tool/technique you put your mind to...
I'm so glad you got a 3D printer. The ways in which you think to implement it are creative and clever. I'd hope to see some mix of woodworking and 3D printing in the future.
A huge advantage with this too is anyone can then print the file you give it too with next to no effort and low cost! Enjoyed this, do more printing :)
all of the above. I have been using freecad to design my clients furniture for years. I would be very interesting to learn how to plug the freecad to a 3d printer and make it work. Thank you John for being. You make a difference in human race.
Awesome! Have a look at heat set threaded inserts. Tapped PLA will strip eventually.
Honestly very impressive work if this is your first printer - designing around layer lines, optimising strength with thicker infill lines etc. The infill for the table was just way too low, but you live and learn. Very cool to see it in action!
Very cool! Both wood or 3d printed parts are awesome. I like where the future is heading with 3d printing. Great vid! Thanks
Being a hand tool woodworker myself, and a newbie at that, I like to watch videos of guys doing that. That said, there are enough Rob Cosmans and James Wrights etc on the tube to keep me happy. I am always fascinated by your design and engineering skills. So as long as you post, I'll watch. Probably.
I started watching for your wood working projects, but became hooked on your "ranting" channel, sort of got lost in your electronics/speaker/sound room builds. I was happy with a more "roots" return to wood working, and now, I'm really intrigued with the 3D printing. All this to say, I really appreciate your maker-centric approach to getting things done. While I prefer the wood working videos, I do like to see how you adapt and incorporate 3D printing with woodworking.
Every CZcamsr has got to adapt. As long as you have been online, bringing in another way of doing something will not send people over the edge. Keep it up. it just gives me inspiration to use my 3D printer for more than toys.
John, I honestly love all of your videos. I am never disappointed with your knowledge and ambition. Although I like the wood videos a little more, I enjoy watching your adventures with the 3D printing. Keep them coming.
I subbed to see your design process. I have moved heavily toward 3D morning since. I am excited to see what you come up with using this tech. Thanks for the videos!
I appreciate your ingeniosity and would love to see how far you can go with 3D printing!
I love this video. One area that is overlooked is how well you can design dust collection with 3D printed parts. I also look forward to seeing you print parts for speaker designs.
John wins the CZcams video naming contest...
I watch your channel for your creativity and problem solving… I also have a 3d printer and so am quite interested in this content. Thanks for all you do!
Im a long time subscriber, your 3d printing content has brought me back to your channel, love it. I am also thrilled you are using freecad too.
It really is the best feeling when you start learning something new and everything just starts clicking. That feeling of new ideas just flowing and becoming obsessed. It's cool to see you've hit that again.
Nice work John, amazing how toy can use all of your woodworking knowledge and easily apply it to new tech. that trunnion and table sure saved a lot of work.Enjoyed, cheers!
Great presentation! Please continue with the series. This 3D-printed bandsaw project is a fantastic experiment!
Thanks :)
One of the most fascinating things about your channels has been that you make tools and share how it's done. Making tools with 3d printed parts is no different.
I think 3D printing has come a long way in a few years and projects like this prove it. Videos like this hopefully are the kick in the ass I need to start using my printer again and finally learn part design.
I watch your videos for the learning and entertainment - which is there regardless of what item you're building or what material you're using.
Your video's are some of the best applications of 3D printing combined with other materials i've ever seen
Love the approach even if it is plastic, wood, or metal. The commentary is amazing
I think that with a channel name "I Build It" that I'm perfectly happy to see you build with anything from 3d printing through casting steel. A couple of variations on this might be making a bandsaw table for a portable bandsaw that you can take in the field for making square cuts in tubing, or custom angles as needed, but that may not be a task you need to cover.
You're building and making cool things. That's why I subscribed. As someone who's designing things in FreeCad, seeing someone else making good use of the program to solve problems they are working on is also good. It's a little rough around the edges, but I'm OK with that.
I personally would lean towards wood working, but my main draw towards watching your content is the ambition you have to solve problems through the creative making process. These 3d printing videos have also been awesome. You are an amazing inspiration in a world where sitting in front of a screen is more and more prevalent. Keep up the awesome stuff, whatever your medium! Showing the world that anyone can use their awesome brains to solve many problems.
love the project but a few recommendations for printing in the future.
1. printing threads is almost always a bad plan unless they are big for other parts. the better solution is print a hole for a threaded insert or cutting like you did. when you do this, you want more walls around that hole to allow for better grip and you also heat the screw beforehand to mold the thread rather than cutting it.
2. you can improve layer adhesion by after printing putting it in your oven for a bit to make the layers better adhere to each other.
love the project and would love to see you switch the full machine over to printed parts just to see how far it can go and good job on the dowels it looks like you printed them the long way and not up right (most get that wrong the first time)
i also recommend using the printer for jigs and such to speed up work as plastic tends to be cheaper then wood and i find it faster to model some weird jigs then to make them out of wood.
Love the fact that you are branching out with the techniques you have from wood working and applying them to your new mini machine shop (3D Printer :-) ) Innovation is what advanced wood working from hollowed out canoes to majestic trading ships. 3d printing is not a replacement for traditional techniques but an extension on the toolset that can be used in future designs. Keep at it and continue to experiment and push the boundaries of what your new tool can do for you. So happy to see another Canuck broadening his creative horizons, Keep up the great work.
I’m here for the making and engineering you do in what format that may be. I like hearing your opinion of wood vs 3d or whatever it may be.
I think it's a great proof-of-concept. Personally, I prefer printing only for "complicated" shapes, that are harder to create. So combining things is great.
MORE PRINTING PLEASE Love to see your Enginuity in your designs and implications
I would enjoy watching you design and print practical and useful items. I am 79 and I recently began using a Bambu P1S. I am also trying to learn FreeCad so I can design and print practical shop, household and automotive items for myself, family and friends. In any case, I will continue to watch your channel!
Love to see a mix of woodworking and 3D printing, using the strengths of each where it makes the most sense or saves time or money.
I will watch your content either way. I could be happy with both. I have be distracted from build videos for some time. I am back with interest in making and fixing since I have the space to utilize all my tools. Not sure I'll ever get into 3D printing. However, it is tempting. Thanks for sharing.
more like this please! there's a guy on youtube who makes hand planes and other tools on a 3D printer but you're the first one I've seen doing a full on machine.
yes please - a thread box would be great to see next. I know I'd buy plans for that.
I love seeing all the different tasks/disciplines at play here. The beauty of this channel is to see the real world possibilities that exist, and the praises and pitfalls of each. In other words, "my name's Jimmy and I'll take what you gimme."
Honestly, I'm subscribed to... watch you build it. I'd watch you build stuff out of anything. Awesome stuff here man!
Ultimately it is whatever makes you the happiest. I enjoy your woodworking videos and therefore I am sure I would enjoy any medium you choose to work in. Thanks for sharing. Jack
I am using a 3D-printed blade guide for my 66-year-old bandsaw, so it is not a load bearing part. But especially what you had happen to the wood getting caught and slamming down on the table happened to me with another bandsaw with an aluminium table and boy am I glad that I sold it and now have a massive cast iron table. Making (and using) a 3D printed table is just waiting on losing a finger or two (and that's coming from someone who has a mainly 3D-printed CNC).
Yes, would love to see more! Did you make the bevel gauge and combination square, too? Love the zero clearance table saw insert. This is a whole new world to discover!
Leaves me deciding whether I won't build a bandsaw out of wood or won't build one out of plastic. But it sure is fun to watch you do 'em!!
Print away, John! I like to watch your intuitive builds. Thanks for showing the mishaps as well as the glamorous bits.
totally more 3d stuff, it's great to see you have so much fun with it
I'd like to see you print more parts! Good job by the way!
LMAO loved the title John , awesome awesome job I like it one of the Best uses I have seen for the 3-D printing you will only improve from here .👍👍
If somebody would be able to build a working printed bandsaw. That somebody would be you, the way you manages to build things others fail, and then being able to tell and show how you did, I have no dought that its possible and that you would be able to make it! I enjoy the way you make your videos and how you are so calm in them. Keep printing things and make stuff!
I don’t mind that you sometimes go print crazy 🙂or show how to replace parts with printed parts, I would prefer that the channel stays a woodworking channel. No matter what I will keep following because it is all interesting . The changes to the bandsaw are pretty amazing , since I don't own a 3D printer you are opening a new world for me. Also looking forward for the new saw build, and I guess I am not the only one.
Take that Matthias! You should know better than poking the bear!
Excellent work John and your take on 3D print is unique. Let's go for more!
Excellent video John. I've been a follower of yours for many, many years. I'd be very interested in seeing you take this project further and 3D design and print all parts of the bandsaw that can successfully be used with that medium. I've moved from Sketchup to OnShape, to Fusion 360, back to OnShape and now finally settled on FreeCAD running on Linux Mint because I don't want to be beholden to any subscription models. Keep on making brother, love what you do!
I like the 3d printing creation video because it makes me reconsider where to spend my time and money in the workshop.
adore the 3d printing stuff, would like to see a mix going forward
I personally love the addition of the 3d printed stuff. It is probably the most practical 3d printing content out there.
100% 3D PRINTED,Cheers from TORONTO!!!!!
I like wood better than plastic. BUT it's all about learning. I really enjoyed this episode. Thank you John, for all this shared knowledge of yours!
You keep doing what you want to do; we will keep watching. This video was fascinating.
As a woodworker that also 3D prints, I love it! Also, I should mention as a speaker builder, you will love what you can do with ports!
I enjoy wood , metal, and wood projects. I think seeing them all on your channel would be great.
I’m loving the wood 3D printed hybrid work and proof of using 3D printed parts to keep old machines running.
This gives me confidence to print some repairs for my Taiwanese bandsaw before I get around to CNCing some replacements. My aluminium trunions (at least 30 years old) crumbled on me the other day, and this is proof I can get up and running quickly again!
For what it's worth, all the 3D printing channels I watch tend not to be good at "3D printing in the shop" (except for USSA - but he seems to have narrowed down into full product design). If you can find the balance to make shop projects with 3D printing that aren't merely replicating for no good reason, then you'll have found an excellent and needed niche.
I actually really like this content, John, and would like to see more of it. I subscribe not just for your woodworking...but also to see your methods of design and problem solving...both on display in this video. Also...3D printing for many people will be much cheaper than outfitting a shop and makes design work more accessible. We purchased the same Bambu printer for our school and love it.
Bit of end of years for years just had no idea how to make comments I can’t thank you enough. This is awesome so cool to see you build something with a 3-D printer.
You come up with such good ideas and hacks, I'll watch whatever the medium. My most recent design/build using 3D printing that would have been much more difficult in wood is a block that I can use to set my L-Fence when cutting miters on the table saw. It has a 45º foot that fits into the curf cut halfway down a test piece, and a flat 1" surface that is coplaner to the front of the curf. I just bump the L-Fence up against it and tighten it down. Perfect miters. Keep inventing stuff!
Multiple mediums seem fine. I like seeing the diversity of ideas
Yes John I'd love to see how you integrate 3D printed things into the shop or anywhere else.
Especially if you enjoy it.
Thanks, Gary
I may be in the minority, but I do think a separate channel is the answer if your going to do 3D printing. Thank you for what you have done.
Wow. Great work 👍 You do whatever you want and we will watch with interest.