The biggest problem for Intel now is that to fix the problem, the products will not achieve advertised performance. That means Class Action Lawsuits for False Advertising, and they have to do it anyway. Either the chip fails, or the products were falsely advertised. No way out. And B2B server clients, etc., plus OEM customers (Dell, Lenovo, etc.) and regular end users, this could be enough to cause financial collapse. And at the moment, they have a lot of exposure due to high debt. These things combined, and they are in very dangerous territory. Great video, btw. Just telling it like it is. In my experience, it's allowing the single core boost (or sometimes 2 cores) that causes over voltage. I.E. - Your PC is idle, but maybe Windows Update starts and a single core asks for power to reach 6.0 GHz, or 5.8. So the chip has a Power Limit, but all of the power for all of the cores is now available to a single core. So to reach 5.8GHz, the core gets 1.55, or even 1.6v. THAT'S what is killing these CPUs. It's worse on 14th gen. because it has a higher single core boost clock. And so it gets an even higher voltage to reach that freq. It's simple, actually. You can prevent it just by disabling Single Core Boost. Lock the Boost behavior to all cores, like they do on Xeon chips. Problem solved.
its not that simple to fix as in there own press brefings they said its the RING that is going into over volt condition why the fail safes are not working to stop it . They just cant reduce the power draw to lowest limt for safity that would be worst . this could be enough to cause financial collapse. I can bet money in few years will will forget this I have seen this happen few too many times in too many fields
Its most probably the north bridge that is crapping out looking at the errors from out of video memory, to corrupted ssds and unstable ram. Basically they integrated the north bridge into the cpu die calling it uncore or system agent. Its not able to handle latest high end hardware attached to it. A microcode update will not fix this. Some call it the input/output part of the cpu but its the north bridge. Mix of latest gen gpu, gen 5 ssds, high speed ddr5 and high cpu core voltage will contribute to crashes. Also game servers use latest gen hardware.
No that is not the reason the detail have come out that ring bus that supposed to supplier voltage and power to all the cores that was pushhed beyond the limit because it had to feed unequal demand p core and e core that forced too much voltage so they can match the clock speed and beat AMD . And to increase profit for the company they did not bin i 9 chips hard enough because if they did they would have got many that were not clearing the requirement for stability and longevity . Oxidation issue was won a bat issue not a systematic failure all though what happening right now is most likely a systematic failure of ring bus
@@s2tenglish Yeah i know the official story. That does not explain why 12th gen is not affected. Also does not explain why game servers with lowest possible voltages also have problems. Also if it were the cores getting too much voltage you would get error codes related to overclocking. That is not the case. The oxidation would only affect a small amount of 13th gen cpus... the problem is not with only a small amount of 13th gen cpus so that oxidation story is fully useless.
I hope Intel get it right. I have a 78003Xd, undervolted that runs great. However, I don't want to see an AMD monopoly because for customers it is better to have competition. IMHO losing some benchmarks to AMD is not as bad as releasing unstable CPUs and losing the thrust of costumers. Just my two cents.
I reckon intel wanted to beat AMD in benchmarks, the only way they could do that was pushing the power levels beyond spec, I have a i9 14900k and tuning is a complete nightmare but I have managed to get good and stable performance, no signs of any unexpected crashes - only when I push too hard with overclocks. Good content, thanks !
I still love the AMD 5000 series. Amazing performance with incredible efficiency. If power draw is a primary concern, I don't think you can do better. If they had more PCIe lanes they would be perfect.
Would rather run two 11 or 12 gen cpus They forgot law smaller you go it changes the characteristics I got 10th gen it's going on five years old I love it
Intel stock is down 31.6% in the last 6 months, ouch.
yes keeping it quite was an UNWISE MOVE
Everyone is going AMD, it’s beautiful
No you always want healthy competition
You always want healthy competition never a monopoly
A good explanation for folks that is not technical about CPU manufacturing.
Glad you liked it
Nicely presented :)
Thanks a lot 😊
The biggest problem for Intel now is that to fix the problem, the products will not achieve advertised performance.
That means Class Action Lawsuits for False Advertising, and they have to do it anyway. Either the chip fails, or the products were falsely advertised. No way out.
And B2B server clients, etc., plus OEM customers (Dell, Lenovo, etc.) and regular end users, this could be enough to cause financial collapse.
And at the moment, they have a lot of exposure due to high debt. These things combined, and they are in very dangerous territory.
Great video, btw. Just telling it like it is.
In my experience, it's allowing the single core boost (or sometimes 2 cores) that causes over voltage.
I.E. - Your PC is idle, but maybe Windows Update starts and a single core asks for power to reach 6.0 GHz, or 5.8. So the chip has a Power Limit, but all of the power for all of the cores is now available to a single core.
So to reach 5.8GHz, the core gets 1.55, or even 1.6v. THAT'S what is killing these CPUs. It's worse on 14th gen. because it has a higher single core boost clock. And so it gets an even higher voltage to reach that freq.
It's simple, actually. You can prevent it just by disabling Single Core Boost. Lock the Boost behavior to all cores, like they do on Xeon chips. Problem solved.
its not that simple to fix as in there own press brefings they said its the RING that is going into over volt condition why the fail safes are not working to stop it . They just cant reduce the power draw to lowest limt for safity that would be worst . this could be enough to cause financial collapse. I can bet money in few years will will forget this I have seen this happen few too many times in too many fields
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Its most probably the north bridge that is crapping out looking at the errors from out of video memory, to corrupted ssds and unstable ram. Basically they integrated the north bridge into the cpu die calling it uncore or system agent. Its not able to handle latest high end hardware attached to it. A microcode update will not fix this. Some call it the input/output part of the cpu but its the north bridge. Mix of latest gen gpu, gen 5 ssds, high speed ddr5 and high cpu core voltage will contribute to crashes. Also game servers use latest gen hardware.
No that is not the reason the detail have come out that ring bus that supposed to supplier voltage and power to all the cores that was pushhed beyond the limit because it had to feed unequal demand p core and e core that forced too much voltage so they can match the clock speed and beat AMD . And to increase profit for the company they did not bin i 9 chips hard enough because if they did they would have got many that were not clearing the requirement for stability and longevity . Oxidation issue was won a bat issue not a systematic failure all though what happening right now is most likely a systematic failure of ring bus
@@s2tenglish Yeah i know the official story. That does not explain why 12th gen is not affected. Also does not explain why game servers with lowest possible voltages also have problems. Also if it were the cores getting too much voltage you would get error codes related to overclocking. That is not the case. The oxidation would only affect a small amount of 13th gen cpus... the problem is not with only a small amount of 13th gen cpus so that oxidation story is fully useless.
I hope Intel get it right. I have a 78003Xd, undervolted that runs great. However, I don't want to see an AMD monopoly because for customers it is better to have competition. IMHO losing some benchmarks to AMD is not as bad as releasing unstable CPUs and losing the thrust of costumers. Just my two cents.
That is a fact
I think you mean " Trust " not { Thrust } :)
I reckon intel wanted to beat AMD in benchmarks, the only way they could do that was pushing the power levels beyond spec, I have a i9 14900k and tuning is a complete nightmare but I have managed to get good and stable performance, no signs of any unexpected crashes - only when I push too hard with overclocks. Good content, thanks !
Glad you liked it
I still love the AMD 5000 series. Amazing performance with incredible efficiency. If power draw is a primary concern, I don't think you can do better. If they had more PCIe lanes they would be perfect.
I know that is why I built an AMD 7900 system
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interesting
Is die lapping still a thing as it was back in 2018 in the presence of all those fissionable chiplets-&-tiles ?
nope
Not too much - but I would bet there are still a few who would do it - the Extreme HardCore probably.
Really good vid!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thnks great bro I was asking for talking about chips u did it
Happy to help
Would rather run two 11 or 12 gen cpus
They forgot law smaller you go it changes the characteristics
I got 10th gen it's going on five years old
I love it
everything makes sense in hindsight
One silicon chip slap is 30 thousand
They cut for intel cpus
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Please make a video on The death of Elon Musk's daughter recently
dude she has not passed away
whats wrong with you elon musk is rich that shouldnt concern you