Living with Lions in Washington State | S1E03 | On the Hunt with Janis Putelis
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- On this episode, Janis and his blue tick coonhound, Mingus, head to Northeastern Washington on a mountain lion hazing study. An alarming increase of lion depredations is causing strife between the locals and the lions. Janis links up with wildlife biologist Bart George on a new study that aims to determine if hazing, or negative human interaction, can cause mountain lions to avoid people and their property.
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America horrifies many English people who've never been there (or perhaps have, but don't understand what and why America is). I was lucky enough to spend 2 years of my youth living there, and visited around 35+ States. MeatEater is the best thing I've ever seen, despite the jealousy and yearning it often stirs in my heart! What a wonderful country you have. Don't lose it. Of course, England has its charms, but it has become a very homogenised and tightly controlled society over the last 20 years or so. In a funny way, I often feel I have much more in common with you guys than I do my fellow compatriots. I'll come back and visit the best country on the planet one day, hopefully soon. In the meantime, enjoy your hunting and fishing, and most of all, your individualism.
It's not really the best thing look at Steve's Brothers stand point
@@tyler1671 America absolutely is the greatest country on earth.
The next time you visit North Carolina North Carolina I would be happy to take you on a Whitetail hunt brother
This is fascinating! I moved from Ohio to Utah and was living in Park City, my 4th or 5th night in my apartment I went out to smoke a cig in my car.. as I was sitting there I watched the biggest lion I’ve ever seen saunter down the sidewalk directly under the lights in front of me.. at first all I saw was the tail and initially thought it was a stray dog walking past the hood of my car.. as I jumped out of the car she paused and we locked eyes for what felt like 5 minutes and I shat myself standing less than 10ft from an animal that kills bull elk with its face.. she then casually continued down the sidewalk and snuck off into the darkness as she passed the bus stop which 10-12 people were waiting at.. it was definitely my “we’re not in Kansas anymore” moment lol
Can you imagine the cougars listening to the podcasts then being like “damn these humans are spittin’ mad facts”
and mad segways!
What an amazing episode. These management education eps are so enlightening, just one of the many reasons why Meateater sits at the top of hunting media. (Clearly illustrated by the fact that even lions listen to the podcast too.)
I really hope to see more like this moving forward. Thanks so much for the content and great work as always!
That last shot of all those dogs running down the road was awesome
Big thanks should go out to the Kalispell Tribe, just like the Yakima Tribe they are getting things done regarding wildlife in Washington that our State Officials haven't, can't or won't do. Great episode, thanks Team Meat Eater.
Thank you for this episode. I mainly hunt NE Washington and the amount of cats is insane compared to how it used to be. And getting a WDFW officer to admit that banning hound hunting is part of it is amazing. I've had WDFW officials tell me that it has nothing to do with the amount of cougars. Pushing Olympia's agenda.
Kettle falls , colville area? Place is loaded with turkey and deer, we take a trip there every year
@@nathanielpaulino1311 Ferry and pend oreille counties
@@tonymiller1216 pretty much anywhere in NE Washington is loaded with turkey and deer
Right there with you. I've hunted Stevens County my entire life.
@@outdoordinsmore very good hunting all in there.
It's a tragedy that the people who need to see this and understand never will.
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I love the area they are in I live up in the area and thinking about wow how many have a walked by is scary
Incredible episode! I remember listening to the podcast episode on this. Really neat to visually see how the study takes place.
This is a really great episode guys. I’ve heard you talk about this program before but very cool to see it in action. Thank you for bringing these other wildlife stories to your programming!
getting a visual to accompany the memory of such a good podcast is icing on a cake. thank you guys.
Thank you MeatEater for shedding some much needed light on the subject! Eastern Washington man..
Also, thank you for filming when mostly everything is still green and not dry and smoky.
Thank you so much for this study, not only does this do amazing things for lion conservation. It shows the necessity for hound hunting in big predator management. I have been running Hounds for 20 years and big game hounds for 15 and I can tell you there is no anti hunter or animal rights activists out there that respect and loves lions and bears more than hound hunters. 90% of hound hunters would never even think of harvesting a female, we are not harvest motivated like a lot of other hunting groups we do it to see these amazing animals up close and personal, and for the love of our hounds and all the training and hard work that goes into honing their skills and talents! Their are bad apples in every group please don’t judge houndsman on the very few that do it the wrong way, believe me these select few and they are few are hated more by other hound hunters than by anyone. We try very hard as a hound hunting community to keep those people from ever running dogs again. Thanks again Janis, meat eater, and all the people involved in this study and the others going on around the country for the management and conservation of these amazing creatures, and informing the public of the necessity of hound hunting and the amazing management tool it is!!!!!!
Cameron Adams
I live in stevens county and last year had a cat walk 100 yards from my house. Even though it was only tracks that I seen, needless to say I don’t walk around my 40 acres without a firearm anymore.
Beautiful creatures!
Until Gov. Inslee is gone nothing will change.
it's Washington. Whoever replaces him will be just as bad.
He's not the governor, the Governor is from Ferry County where this was filmed.
I live in New Jersey and will probably never go hunting in my life. That said.....I have absolutely no idea of why I love this channel SO much. This sh*t is amazing.
Is your profile pic a picture if you? 😂
@@landonboomsma2594 Yes
I live in eastern Washington and hunt regularly, mountain lions are having huge population impacts and we have no real way to control them. We are being ignored by our representatives and politicians.
yup! pretty sad to witness what is happening to the wildlife in this state. Blue mountains elk will be a thing of the past soon if they dont do something soon
I have lived in the middle of the national forest here for 25 years. Their plan is working perfectly, they want all food sources gone. They have brought the population down to nothing , then added wolves . A child could figure out the math.
ive seen more cats in the last 5 yeas than in most of my life. Hopefully this shows we need to bring back hound hunting, but with the way our spring bear hunt went, the cat population is only going to get worse.
@@angusmcnaughton4570 A lot of people think this agenda is a conspiracy, yet it is pretty much working out as planned. Take out a lot ungulates by introducing wolves, transplants from cities move into these areas and jack up the cost of living, forcing the local politics and way of life out. Same can be said for cattle in the west.
@@operationNOBO they are only blind because they won't open their eyes. It's about to get ugly. I just planted 3800' of gardens and have 6 nests full of new baby bunnies, 50 ? 60 ? Maybe more. A real grocery store. And then I listed my home in the mountains...This state is out of control.
Ugh I wish we could just run them again in CA. Their numbers are unreal!
Lets be honest, it is pretty clear on what to do and that is to allow the use of hounds again. Instead of only letting a few "special" houndsman how about making it fair and allowing all houndsman willing to buy a tag and follow the laws. Just a thought.
Being from NE Washington, right where you were filming, we definitely have a Lion/ predator problem. Its nice to see them doing something about it. But we need to be able to effectively hunt them again.
Sometimes I hear the lions screaming up behind my house. Don't know if they want my chickens pigs or my cats but it is truly a blood chilling sound to hear a big cat screaming
Loved watching this! Been hearing about this study for a while on many meateater podcast episodes, very happy to put some visuals to it. Those cats are beautiful, and I can understand the desire to have them around. However I'd rather they be hunted, and the meat and hide be used, or at least pushed away from humans instead of just dying and thrown in a landfill for nothing.
Ya I don't like the waste of an animal if nothing else use the meat to help those in need wasting it just really gets at me
lets goooo I've been waiting for a mountain lion video and from my home state even better
Would be pretty cool if you could strap a gopro on the hounds to see them chase the lion
The ways you prevent depredation, is 3-fold. 1. Get LGDs, (Livestock Guard Dogs), 2. Practice better animal husbandry, & most importantly, build better fences. Some states even go further and compensate farmers/ ranchers for livestock that was taken down by predators, if it can be proven.
You're going to pay for it?
This is an interesting video and how the study is showing promise. It is such a tough spot for people who are in the middle of all this and have their livestock/pets/etc. killed because of mountain lions. It is really a tough spot. I appreciate you guys for posting this video. Keep up the good work.
Incredible episode. Thanks for doing this!
This is typical of ballot box biology. In return for eliminating lawful hunting means the taxpayer is left holding the bill for the positions that are created to do what a lawful hunter will do while adding funds to the local economy. Great job🤦🏻♂️
We can only hope it leads to bringing back hunting with hounds. The stats seam pretty clear that it will save tax payers dollars, bring in revenue for the state and the cats won’t be thrown in a dumpster. With the revenue maybe they could require hunters to meet up with a biologist to collect data they need for management instead of double dipping into our pockets. I’d be more than willing too if it meant we could hunt with hounds again.
it is crazy to me that some places decide to throw animals into dumps instead of allowing hunting of said animals.
Amazing work showing what houndsmen do for wildlife. Great clips, great work
Greetings from England folks !! I love watching the meat eater series! Keep up the good work and thanks for the education sirs!
Steve will never get another lion in his life, they’re all terrified of his voice already.
This is eye opening. In a big way. Wow. Great job.
Great episode! Was fun coming across this one and seeing Bart. I grew up with him, so to see what amazing work (beyond Facebook posts) he is doing was a real joy.
good on them for doing the study, BUT...
-hunters told you this would happen when the ban was proposed (the video even references states with hound hunting have lower instances of depredation)
-.gov outlaws it anyway
-oh crap! the thing they told us would happen happened!
-hire people to do the thing that hunters used to buy tags for (making it revenue negative instead of revenue positive)
this cycle is not uncommon in the left coast states.
Following loonafornia.
My favorite thing to ask people in the Seattle area is their “opinion” on bear and Cougar hunting and they wig out. “Why would you kill them?! That’s terrible!” As they eat a cheeseburger or chicken.
They banned hound hunting in Washington state. Now the state pays hound hunters to hunt in Washington state to try and keep the numbers where they need to be.
It’s so backwards. Just give limited tags to control the population.
No , they are not trying to manage numbers, just reactions to "situations" caused by overpopulation. Chasing a cat and letting it go just trains the animal... to be even less afraid. People thinking does NOT work on cats
@@angusmcnaughton4570 I think that’s probably right. What they are trying to do is measure how comfortable these cats are around humans.
Here in Kennewick Washington (Tri-Cities) we just had two sightings with one expired by the game department. Happened just a few weeks ago. Unsettling but badass at the same time. Here kitty kitty!
My dad and grandparents referred to the "figure 8" method as mention in the clip as an escape mechanism to hide their scent and tracks. They encountered this all the time while using dogs to chase down deer back in Laos (yes, it's legal). The deer would run in one direction and once it knows its got a good gap between the dogs they will back track 50-100 yards and then jump off the trail. It was really effective and only a really good dog can pick up the scent again to continue the chase. It wasn't explained to me as a figure 8 bu same idea for sure. Great info.
Cow Skull Tribe: You should consider adding a site hunting dog to your pack.
This was an amazing episode! I learned so much and love the management of this, I hope the study is fruitful.
I couldn't find anything to fault with this video, well done, balanced and very informative. Activism has for too long been the force driving game management and it's not working.
Thanks for shining a light on this issue.
What was the podcast they was listening too? I’m a member of the colville tribes and want to hear what they want to say about the Rick Desautel case. Pretty cool stuff!
They have no problem ticketing you if you kill one.
@@angusmcnaughton4570 what are you talking about
@@Tr3dstar i was wanting to find this out also, don't wanna go thru all the episodes one by one
@@peonerw I found it, ep. 276 “an outdoor recreation pissing match” I had to go through a lot to find it haha
@@Tr3dstar awesome!
Oof you need to check with youtube. I saw the instagram and youtube post so I wanted get to this video. Scrolled and scrolled back 2 days. This video wasn't there. Only a direct search was I able to watch it. Thumbs up on the content!
Just over the state line in idaho we had one come in on us to 30 yards when we were picking mushrooms. Thankfully I buy a sportsmans pack and it was season. Measured 8foot3 for tip to tail and was delicious
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I love the series Janis!
WOW, just WOW.😲 This is sumthin I've never heard of....BUT am totally appreciative for this effort. 🙂👍 Great episode and WELL DONE. 👏🙂
Great video! I am from Oregon and we have the same issues. I couldn't agree more with the statement made that these cats have no fear of man and that is a contributing factor in the problem.
That's a great video, very educational.
Far nor cal needs you. We have so many lions.
I'm not sure if it occurred before or after this episode, but there was a cougar attack on a child at a camp within the last year or close to, in Stevens County!
i really appreciate these convesrvation/management videos
Love the interaction between hunters and the government here. There isnt enough of this in marine fisheries.
Arizona official’s need to watch this show lol
Do all the studies you want.......you can either legalize hound hunting or continue down the path of depredation.
I've had occurrences where I've been in the woods and felt the "something is watching me " feeling and within a few hours have a cougar on my trail cams. I've never been confronted, but by far, the cougar is the most concerning predator, in my opinion.
This episode is proof that hunting is essential at times to control animal populations. Very well done video
The needs of a county get ignored by the state, so the county actually does something about it instead of just sitting there whining about it and letting the problem continue. Imagine that. It almost seems like that's why we have local governments.
Wow one of my fav mountain lion episodes now.
Jeesh when that cougar jumps out almost right on top of Janis at 15:15
Love these hunts Jani!!!!
Great episode, glad to see some light shed on the issue
I was watching meateaters in tge hospital waiting fir our release after the delivery and we ended up naming our son clayton of a hunter that hosted a mule squrriel hunt with yall
That's awesome that people have found a way to preserve the population when not being hunted for consumption by moving it to a more suitable area. That's outstanding. Much better than just needlessly killing it and throwing it away.
Thank you for this episode. It has been a common theme my entire life that Wa state has, at best, poorly managed the wildlife (not to mention public lands). Anecdotally the area that I have hunted in mid north WA has seen a drastic drop in deer and coyote. Talking to local farmers that have lived in the area since the 1950s are reporting more cougars than ever.
Yoo i loved your last few lines just slapping everyone in the face that waste their mcd burger 🤣
I live in Hobart, WA good to see a video finally in my home state, lots of cats here. How do you guys find people to show you around?
I live in spokane, one of my buddies was hunting up by colville and ione and got jumped by a cat last year. Luckily for him, he had his gun in his hands and killed it with a hip-fire shot about 10ft from him. They got it processed and taken back to their camp site, and the whole way back a 2nd cat was stalking them and howling at them and continued deep into the night. Glad he's alright
I'm confused, what was the reason for playing the podcast out loud to the point I'm getting the conversations confused?
For a long time i have wait video where mingus is showing 😃
The state kills all the cats anti hunters cry about hunters paying to kill 🤔🤡
It's called communism. They want all food sources gone, and full control.
Very cool episode. Would love to see more of these!
Lion hunting is essential, and with dogs is the only efficient way other then trapping. “Still”hunting them is 98% luck and 2% skill. Although I have heard of a few guys out there predator calling for them and having success, but I feel like that’s super rare and definitely hasn’t been my experience.
Calling for them is not efficient enough to even come close to managing their numbers. I will never understand these people who dont realize the more predators equals less food for them and for hunters. It causes the predators to die of starvation and disease.
Great episode. It's too funny watching a lion wake up from ketamine.
Fascinating and insightful. I would’ve welcomed the opportunity to see more of this. Always great content from the Meateater crew.
While we need this scientific research and data, it’s a shame that practical predator management and sensible hunting legislation can’t coexist. You’d think the legislators would realize you can link the funding needed for this research to continue with the funds the state would receive from licensing fees. Mandate harvesting procedures that allow for biologists to gather more data from hunters. Think outside the box instead of being stuck in a paradigm of narrow mindedness.
15:15 LOL "oh shit" is right!
I feel like this links into the bear hunt ban that has been happening too, not sure how to work towards more fact based discussions but I think this goes a long way to showing why "Ahhh just ban this!" is not the right attitude, even people who think they're doing well and "savings the animals" need to understand their good intentions are a disaster when they don't understand the subject.
This was an awesome episode guys, thanks for sharing
Good episode. I have worked with Jeff Flood in conflict resolution several times as a school district employee. Yes the cats and bears like playgrounds too. I have been a resident of NE Washington for 50+ years. Been hunting and fishing since I was a kid. The studies are good but one thing everyone knows in this area is all the game Dept does is do studies, then they won’t take any of the recommendations, even from their own biologists, they don’t listen to any residents when they hold public meetings, this doesn’t show what a sh*t show the game dept really is. It’s controlled by liberal politicians in Olympia. A small hint, the Sheriffs department had to hire Jeff to help protect the citizens of Stevens county because of the game Dept turning their back on us. I won’t even get into the wolf issue we have in the area. The only way I see out of this mess is for mount Rainer to have a massive eruption that wipes out Thurston, Pierce, and King counties. And the amount of cougar incidents/encounters me, my relatives, and hunting buddies have had are staggering. #1 cause of this is banning hounds. We’ve also had the game Dept recently ban spring bear hunting. It seems the politicians just want this area to be infested with predators and zero game.
What podcast episode are they playing while walking into the car in the beginning of the video???
Living with lions was a good band 👌
Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.
Awesome episode, I would love to see more like this!
I am embarrassed to live in Washington because of things like banning hound hunting and getting rid of spring black bear. We need to bring these back to control the predators and help out the deer and elk.
Hey, Spokane County is 20 minutes away from me. I hunt Cougar here, in Kootenai County, Idaho, which is next to Spokane County.
Do you use hounds? I go to WSU and I’m from Iowa. Really wanna get into it
@@landonboomsma2594 Sweet!
No, I call them in. I get tags for wolf, cougar, and bear, so it’s a crap shoot what you get, haha. Here in Idaho it’s year round for grey wolf and cougar.
@@DylanWOWilliams how many cougars have you killed?
@@landonboomsma2594 only one here in ID. Two others in my lifetime. None with hounds.
Jeff Flood's accent is the truth. ❤
I hear Steve talking to someone about salmon.
As I’m watching this, a 9 year old girl was attacked in the last week by a Cat, in this area of the state.
Bart's an absolute stud
Very cool, you guys were right in my back yard.
Really cool and informative episode. Cheers from Tennessee!
Went camping once on a beach in Washington, near forks so heavy rainforest, and as I sat eating at my campfire a cat snuck up behind me and snapped a twig! I turned around and saw them about 15 or so yards from me but after I yelled at them they took off back into the woods, probably smelled my food I guess.
Great work Janis, it’s such a trip to think when just taking the dog for a walk in the woods, how close are these animals are? I always bring the bear spray, you never know.
Colorado has seen a recent jump in lion encounters; I’ve seen a few while out in the woods, even when night skiing in the backcountry, where theirs game theirs a lion.
Never seen a cougar in a tree, but have seen a lot on beaches and at bars.
Thanx. I really appreciate you coming to Washington as it is not the greatest state for hunting. We have developed quite the predator problem. Wish you had come to "manage" the cats however what you have put together may be more helpful in convincing the normies that there is a problem. That is to say if they actually watch this. A worse problem here is that our governor veto's management of predators that our fish and game as well as "the science" deem recovered and in need of management. On top of that he appoints commissioners that care more about butterflies than ungulates. One of which that doesn't even know that we have a spring turkey season and that is her job to make decisions about. Washington state's game management is lost and may never recover. Unless the makers of management policy change course all wildlife in this once great state will suffer.
There is literally a faction within the Wa. Game dept. That want rumanous species gone , how else could you come up with the idea of releasing non native wolf species to finish off the herds. And The last bear I saw was in a pile of wolf $hit .
Living here in Stevens county and owning a veterans/ first responders hunting and fishing lodge I've been stalked and tracked by cougars multiple times also wolves.. I've seen grizzly as well. Predators are definitely unchecked around here. However!.... The biggest killer of deer in NE Washington is blue tongue.
We have cats coming into town ALL over eastern Washington. It is a huge issue. Saw a mature adult in the adjoining back yard at night this last fall. I was outside on my porch, unarmed. Could have taken me if it wanted.
In spite of the closed caption option, it is hard to understand what these guys are saying.
you guys make the best videos
This is an awesome episode!